75972c No.5769[Last 50 Posts]
So what should non-whites make out of "race reality"?
Will you just go to third world countries and tell them "Hey, you're inferior and shit and will never ever be able to achieve 1/100th of what the white race has done."? And even assuming you actually did that, how do you expect them to answer to it? Should they just sit down and say "Oh ok, I'm a worthless inferior nigger, please breed our women oh superior master"?
What implications does race reality have? Is "race reality" a white-only idea?
8eae2a No.5772
>>5769Just leave them alone, don't tell niggers they are worthless, respect that they are another species on this planet and that they have their own environment and we have ours.
31008d No.5773
How I see it, honestly, is that these people are better adapted to their specific environment than whites would be, and vice versa. What I would suggest to them is to adopt their own form of ethno-nationalism and form their own protected state, rather than use extranational concepts to rule themselves. Should that be successful, then negotiations between countries can start. However, it would be best to recommend them to take at least a similar ideal of suppressing internationalism, both in law and in corporate trade.
1ab96f No.5786
>>5769If you go to a third world country, you'll soon realise that they already know it but express it implicitly.
You don't need to belittle them; they're well aware. They have the same "why are we such niggers" attitude that certain African-Americans express but think less of it. Natural made us as we are, live and let live.
>Should they just sit down and say "Oh ok, I'm a worthless inferior nigger, please breed our women oh superior master"?How did you get to this conclusion? Recognising inferiority doesn't entail subservience. You can ignore it or become spiteful.
If an inferior being is rational in his facilities and recognises his inferiority, he will just play the system to his advantage. Have you ever been bad at something before? It's the exact same thought process.
4893bd No.5798
Non-Whites aren't a problem if they stay in their own countries. That's it, really. You don't need to touch the issue of them being 'inferior' to Whites, just argue that multiculturalism is bad for all nations, regardless if they are White or not.
9a2bc8 No.5833
Why do you carry the assumption that european nationalism automatically entails hate? We just care about our own people, other peoples can do as they will as long as they don't interfere with us, and we won't interfere with them.
f88f08 No.5851
>>5773You know if all nationalists were like you, you wouldn't have such a bad name.
2a831e No.5856
I don't see why you would need to tell them that. If race realism gets anywhere I think most of our efforts need to be focused on fixing the damage that has been done and improving ourselves. If we can finally break free from this multicultural nightmare I want nothing to do with other races.
fdf591 No.5864
I don't think race reality means, necessarily, that one race is best suited for a particular environment.
I think it does mean, however, that racial homogeneity is the best racial policy of any large society of humans.
No, you don't go and call them inferior, because there's not really any point to that. You let them have their own society, and you have yours.
I think race reality means realizing that not only will white people be better off without black people in their society, but also black people will be better off without white people in theirs. We will do much better as neighbors than living under the same roof.
1ab96f No.5897
>>5833Who said anything about "hate"?
f88f08 No.5926
>>5864Genuinely curious because I see your point about nationalism but I don't see why skin colour is the deciding factor here. I'm from the UK and I have more in common with black british people I know than white Russians, for example.
9a2bc8 No.5928
>>5897"Will you just go to third world countries and tell them "Hey, you're inferior and shit and will never ever be able to achieve 1/100th of what the white race has done."?"
What is the point of this, I call this malice and hatred. Yes, it's likely true, but I don't just go around running up to fat people and yelling, "YOU'RE FAAAAT!"
That's not what being civilized is.
e11ca6 No.5943
>>5928hollywood nazi, basically?
f46327 No.5977
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>>5798>Non-Whites aren't a problem if they stay in their own countries.Same for Whites.
f88f08 No.5983
>>5926Seriously can one of you answer my question?
9a2bc8 No.6002
>>5943wat?
What are you trying to say?
9a2bc8 No.6005
>>5983Your question is so extremely misguided that to refute it would take about a book's length of explanation, with no way to condense it. So my only response is forced to be:
lurk more faggot
f88f08 No.6008
>>6005Are you kidding? That's your response? Poor effort. I thought this was supposed to be a board for serious political discussion. My question might be misguided but if you can't at least tell me how it is so without a "book's length of explanation" then you really need to work on your communication skills.
1791a4 No.6017
>>5977Faggot this non argument has so many holes in it. If it weren't for the white man civilizing these savages they would still be living like they did before they came to America. Don't forget all the human sacrifices and cannibalism and warring nations in central America. You're just butthurt it is Europeans that conquered the world. You are the same kind of faggot who welcomes an economy and eventually world government run by oppressive chinks just because they are not white. Don't forget there are more Indians now on reservations than Indians to ever live at once in history.
f88f08 No.6030
>>6017> your views being this inconsistent if you're going to be a nationalist at least be a nationalist universally
ba6ea4 No.6031
>>6008It's a board for discussion, but you aren't discussing anything. You are asking to be educated, and we doubt your sincerity in even seeking information in the first place. Lurkmoar is the correct answer if you seek knowledge.
If you want it succinctly:
>I have more in common with black british people I know than white Russians, for example.Is wrong. Especially when expanding beyond Russians to your direct co-ethnics.
>I don't see why skin colour is the deciding factor here.Race is not skin colour.
>>6017>there are more Indians now on reservations than Indians to ever live at once in history.This isn't true, although most of them died out from plague and internal warfare prior to the arrival of white colonists.
>>6030Universalism is retarded.
f88f08 No.6034
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
>>6031Race isn't skin colour. So what is race?
ba6ea4 No.6038
>>6034Not playing this game with you. Eat a bullet.
76a83a No.6048
>>6034The 2nd exodus repeats itself.
After all the shitposters from 4chan's pol came to 8pol that place got destroyed.
Now after all the shitposters from 8chan's pol came here, the quality again started to drop….
76a83a No.6049
>>6034The 2nd exodus repeats itself.
After all the shitposters from 4chan's pol came to 8pol that place got destroyed.
Now after all the shitposters from 8chan's pol came here, the quality again started to drop….
5e3218 No.6050
>Will you just go to third world countries and tell them "Hey, you're inferior and shit and will never ever be able to achieve 1/100th of what the white race has done."? And even assuming you actually did that, how do you expect them to answer to it? Should they just sit down and say "Oh ok, I'm a worthless inferior nigger, please breed our women oh superior master"?
Yes.
1791a4 No.6051
>>6034What is bone structure, intelligence, sickle cell, allergies, and inherent muscle mass. And eye shape, hair type, vitamin and mineral needs, diet. Other stuff Etc.
>>6027>Pic related 1ab96f No.6069
>>6034At some point in history there were distinct, isolated genepools. These were the "pure" races. In Africa and Euroasia these were less distinct because of constant migration. Video-man is being horribly disingenuous with the convenient examples he chooses.
The Native American
race was devastated by smallbox. The black
race is dark skinned. The Capoid
race is short. It's only when I say "the white race has a propensity to produce genius" does the word suddenly become controversial. You know race because you recognise it. The scientific significance is pure semantics.
45dcad No.6071
>>5977Yes to the concept, but your image of choice is kinda irrelevant at this point. So let's just all agree to not make anyone elses kind turn into "oh that's irreverent they don't exist anymore."
fdf591 No.6080
>>5926It's not necessarily skin color that is the deciding factor. I don't think all white people should band together in some sort of global white state. White Russians should keep their homeland, as other whites should keep theirs.
However, I am willing to bet that, no matter how 'assimilated' a black person is into a white society, they will never feel quite as at home as a white person in the same society. It's really only natural, and not anything to be ashamed of. I think a Russian who assimilated into British society (particularly if they were born there) would feel more at home than a black person. It's a bit more than simply 'what a person's skin color' is that determines this - I think it goes beyond that, that there are some subtle differences. And perhaps I'm wrong, and these differences aren't as biological as I think they are. But…let me put it this way. We know that children who learn that the people who raised them are not their biological parents have a whole host of unique (and often self-destructive) mental issues. I think that the case can be made that "minorities" who live within majority cultures often suffer a sort of similar unease, no matter how accomodating the majority culture tries to be. Even if we were completely biologically the same, there would still be that issue.
I advocate for a form of racial nationalism of some sort because I honestly believe that "assimilationist" liberalism, and "multiculturalist" liberalism, are both monstrous, not only to the majority, but to the minorities they claim to fight for.
Assimilation, complete assimilation, is, I believe, impossible. No matter HOW culturally assimilated you are to the majority, you will always feel somewhat alienated. And the worst part is that assimilation asks you to cut off your roots, any part of you ancestry, so that in addition to always feeling alienated from society at large, you will always feel isolated from the past. It's a recipe for creating unanchored souls.
Multiculturalism allows people to hold on to their roots, at the expense of making them feel even more alienated from majority society. Eventually the people become defined by victimhood, and by a sort of…embarassingly poor understanding of the cultures they come from. A toxic blend.
I support racial nationalism because I think that both these models are harmful. I think everyone needs a homeland. I think whites would assimilate with more ease into other white cultures, for the most part. I think the assimilationist model can work - with other whites. I don't think there should be a global 'white nation', indeed I think that if that was attempted it would be awful. But I do think that there could be immigration (at a certain rate) between various white nations, while for non-white nations, neither assimilation nor multiculturalism would work.
fdf591 No.6082
>>6031You are a complete fucking faggot. The man is asking a question in good faith and honest curiosity, and your answer is basically "I don't have to educate you?"
Go to tumblr, where you fucking belong, if you can't even be bothered to explain your beliefs. God, you're an awful faggot.
1ab96f No.6085
>>6030>apologising for civilisationThe British Empire was the greatest thing to happen to the savages. We regret nothing.
fdf591 No.6087
>>6085If you can't see how imperialism led directly to the muddled racial mess we have nowadays, if you can't let it go, you are going to live and die in the past.
We're in the mess we are now for a reason. If you really want to fix it, you're not going to get anywhere by clinging to the things that got us here in the first place. If all you want to do is stew in a false sense of self-righteousness while the world falls apart around you, however, keep on your path.
9620f9 No.6101
It is an inherently incompatible belief that is pushed by the elite to divide the people and make them focus on non-exist enemies and dangers. A bit like feminism, slavery, the destruction of blacks in societies, ect.
Divide and conquer.
91d82e No.6108
You don't have to think about this to address the problem. Whether or not a specific race of people is better or worse is irrelevant, it's bad to allow too many foreigners in. I encourage nationalism in every country. Granted, on principle this would be kind of against america, but for all the shit they teach you in school about the evil white man colonizing the poor nature folk, there's twice as many examples of them doing drugs, killing people so it would rain more, raping women, and committing war crimes even whites in 1600 would be like "Shit nigger, that's got to stop."
13dcca No.6120
>>5769What exactly are you asking with this term race reality?
Are you telling us to ignore genetic differences because some people lust after traits that happen to be more common in europeans and it might make them feel bad to tell them not to racemix?
a5b7f7 No.6136
>>6017nigger are you fucking kidding me? mathematical models projecting backwards using population numbers in the 1900's often come up with Pre-Columbian populations in the billions just before the spread of Eropean diseases. As in, Native Americans, both continents included, rivaled Europe in terms of population at their height. The thing you don't realize is that the first colonists were walking into a Mad Max scenario, the absolute lowest point of Pre-Columbian civilisations. Which we would know more about, but whatever was left was largely incinerated by religious fanatics crying "injun debils!"
217a36 No.6147
>>5769You can make whatever you like out of it as long as you're doing so outside of aryan nations.
ba6ea4 No.6152
>>6082It's obvious fucking bait. There is no good faith or honest curiosity. "Race reality" in fucking quotation marks. You are a goddamned retard of the highest order.
Let's use your own standards against you. You now list your beliefs and explain them. I'll have questions afterward.
We're all waiting. Let's see faggot. Start fucking typing and you've got a lot of it to do. Do it or fuck off to tumblr. It's now your job to sit here at your computer as long as it fucking takes until I feel you've sufficiently justified yourself.
45dcad No.6154
this
>>6152>>6082I wanna see what you got
>>6031 fdf591 No.6158
>>6152If you paid any attention to thread IDs, (they're there for a reason!) you'd see that I already had a huge post explaining my beliefs
Also, you'd have seen that the guy you sperged out at was not the OP, but was
>>5926, and did not put anything in quotes
I get the impression you're less interested in discussion and more interested in preening self-righteousness, so I don't find it surprising at all you overlooked simple details in your rush to find an excuse to sneer at someone.
ba6ea4 No.6163
>>6158Thread IDs have been changing all evening mid thread, along with double posting, et cetera. Shitposters frequently use proxies on top of that.
He posted a fucking race denial video, and it's not fucking bait. Get the fuck out. You're still a retard of the highest order, and you're now shilling for obvious bait.
>I already had a huge post explaining my beliefsNo, you have a couple of paragraphs and you didn't even address the content of his video. First off, give a point by point deconstruction of his video series and then we'll go through what you've written when I have more time.
I'm still waiting for your listed beliefs as well, which your above post doesn't qualify for. I'm here, ITT making demands. I'll link you some wikipedia articles and youtube videos on why you are wrong, then you can spend another couple of hours debating me, and I'll reply again when I've got a spare 30 seconds for my side of the "conversation".
Comply politely or fuck off to tumblr. No more of this namecalling and psychoanalyzing you've got going on here. Just your effort in trade for my one sentence questions.
49c878 No.6174
>>5818
Most are
Its the infiltrating jews that are spreading the insane racial hatred
e57a2a No.6179
Japan was worthless an inferior compared to the White race, recognized it, and immediately set about improving their race and culture under the orders of their emperor. Look at Japan today. Better than 90% of White countries.
e57a2a No.6181
>>5977https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yR210z1qSKwWhites behaved worse than niggers, and are responsible for mass genocide. All at the behest of the Jews. Both the Spanish, and the British Empire were only big because they were effectively pawns of the Jews. Spain declined and Britain rose after Spain broke free of the Jewish yoke, and Britain was able to become a great imperial power only after the Jews took control.
1ab96f No.6183
>>6087Might makes right, I'm not apologetic because my country created premier class nations on four different continents on the bones of primitives.
The racial mess we have is of our own devising. It won't matter whether we supported nationalism in nations unfit for self-governance. Support them or not, Britain will be saved or broken at home. Your feigned empathy won't deliver us so why pretend?
75972c No.6206
>>6147I didn't address this in the OP but I also meant to include inside white nations.
I mean, obviously what you tell people outside of your country isn't a pressing issue (although it can become a cause of international conflict; Can you imagine using scientific evidence to tell them they're basically worthless?).
Let's talk about the present: What will you tell the millions of African Americans or the Somali immigrants already inside your country?
How does the race reality benefit them? Do you think they'll just sit down and say "Whites are superior to my nigger self, time to kill myself for the pride of the Aryan race"?
1083f7 No.6243
>>6206>>6206>the Somali immigrants already inside your country?leave
or die ;)
9feb02 No.6256
>>5977>>6181Amerindians exterminated the native white population when they invaded the New World. Solutreans were on the continent millennia before the mongoloid horde.
This is the same as the niggers in South Africa claiming its their land because they exterminated the Hottentot population after the Dutch settled there.
45dcad No.6273
>>6206>"Whites are superior to my nigger self, time to kill myself for the pride of the Aryan race"?No but maybe it would help them evolve a little with using that thing in their head.
45dcad No.6274
>>6273also totally this
>>6179They were pretty hardcore motherfuckers, besides tradition and honor they were pretty barbaric and crazy. Now they are great and well advanced over figuring it all out, Japanese (Asians) always remember and learn.
97b058 No.6294
>>6274>>6179Actually, today they just have less immigrants than most of the west. But Japan is still pretty shit.
Look at rates of depression, declining population, 200% debt to GDP, and so on and so forth.
ae6709 No.6327
Nothing.
Their value should be based on their own individual worth. While it is likely that as a race blacks are inferior it is not true that a balck person is worthless.
Simply they should accept that statistically equal representation in some areas is unlikely and that artificial efforts to impose equality of representation rather than equality of opportunity are destructive.
fdf591 No.6335
>>6163I didn't address the video, because I didn't watch the video, because I wasn't addressing the video, because the person both you and I were replying to wasn't talking about the video.
I'm done with you, you worthless faggot. You have my beliefs. What you want now is to save face in light of your ridiculous behavior. Moreover, I don't believe you actually are a racial nationalist. Like many on this board, you just roleplay one on the internet. If you actually gave a damn about the future, you'd be more than glad to answer questions about it to people politely inquiring about it. Instead you drive them away with your histrionic screeching.
If you are a racial nationalist, it's better for you to keep your mouth shut for the sake of your race. You (you personally) do more harm than good by talking about it. Leave the explanations to the people who aren't going to leap at the opportunity to sneer at people. All you do by talking about it is drive people away. Find some other way to help build the future you want to see.
But of course you won't do anything of the sort, because as I said before, you're not a racial nationalist. You pretend to be one on the internet.
fdf591 No.6337
>>6183
> Might makes RightObviously not, or you'd be perfectly fine with all of the world's most powerful armies belonging to nations that are actively advocating multiculturalism and race mixing. If might makes right, then you should by all accounts be completely on board with today's liberal hegemony of the globe.
And if we try to get out of the mess we're in, by idolizing the things that BOUGHT us to the mess we're in, we run the risk of just repeating our mistakes all over again. Only the first time we made the mistake, whites were in a position of much greater strength. I honestly don't think we'd survive another couple of centuries of racial mixing and multiculturalism, which is what imperialism would buy us.
afe1db No.6401
>>6080Good post, I don't necessarily agree but don't strongly disagree. This is the form of racial nationalism I have complete respect for.
My question would be, with the unprecedented and ever increasing global connectivity, isn't it inevitable that in many countries populations will become mixed to a point where assimilation is far easier, as the country has taken on an international, homogenous culture? I'm suggesting that humanity may, in the next few centuries, or maybe thousand years, develop a distinctive "human" culture, with variations being more like the regional differences between New England and the US South than between Norway and New Guinea.
I realize to racial nationalists this sounds like a nightmarish defeat, but I'd like to understand why exactly it is.
fdf591 No.6408
>>6401The greatest lie the current liberal-capitalist hegemon has sold the world is the idea that the way things are is just sort of a natural progression, that the technology we have leads to a sort of, inevitable moral and political conclusion. I'm rather of the opinion that a preordained moral and political conclusion led to the rapid propagation of technologies that supported it.
It's a curious assumption that, the more you visit and experience another person's culture, the more your culture becomes blended with theirs. It's accepted as such a common wisdom (and I believe it is the goal of a lot of today's ruling class, I believe they dearly hope this is true) that very few really question it. In some ways, maybe it's true. But in important other ways, I think experiencing other cultures just emphasizes the DISTINCTION between your culture and theirs. I think people define themselves by contrast, a lot of the time. In short, I think you can visit, say, an East Asian country, and talk to a lot of East Asian people, and come away MORE different for the experience.
IF, to begin with, you have a strong sense of identity. If you have a weak, wishy-washy sense of identity, like much of the west promotes in its own people, you will forever try to ape foreign cultures that you admire. I think the current "blending" of cultures is much more a product of that political reality, than any inevitable conclusion of the nature of technology and communication.
And there are some up and coming technologies, I think, that are going to undermine the current push for globalization. That's another topic I could get into, if you'd like.
9a2bc8 No.6414
>>6408As a German who has lived in Japan, yes, what you are saying is true.
9a2bc8 No.6415
>>6408
>And there are some up and coming technologies, I think, that are going to undermine the current push for globalization. That's another topic I could get into, if you'd like.Please explain, because from what I've seen, the recent tech has been playing straght into the spying elites' hands.
fdf591 No.6423
>>6415Oh, if you're talking about communications and the elite collecting information about us, then yes things seem to be bad (although there are some very interesting people claiming they can make that sort of spying impossible, even though I'm a computer engineer, I can't pretend to understand what exactly the science behind that is.)
But actually I was thinking of upcoming tech outside of communications.
1. Automation - increased automation will undermine the current globalizing hegemon in a few ways. First, and most obviously, there is going to be little to no incentive to move the actual production overseas once the cost of automation becomes cheaper (long term) than the cost of third world workers (whose wages are already rising). In fact, there will be great incentive (transport costs, energy costs) to keep the source of manufacturing as close as possible to the people buying the product. This means that countries and communities are going to be much more self-sufficient when it comes to the products they buy (no more incredibly complex network of international shipping that necessitates a sort of globalist political system.)
In addition, the increased flexibility and adaptability of automation is going to result in a labor crisis. (One could argue we're already seeing the beginning of it, and the state is just doing as much as it can to suppress it.) I don't think all labor will be made obsolete - but I think ENOUGH labor will be made obsolete that the entire model we've lived off of the last couple of centuries - the social contract between capital and labor - is going to be broken. I expect massive, sustained unemployment, and a crisis. If our elites had any sense about them, they'd be taking measures RIGHT NOW to try to reduce the impact this would have - one of those measures could be to actually advocate for strict gender roles, to cut the number of people participating in the market and lower unemployment, or to cut immigration. But they won't, either because they're ideologically blinded, or suicidally short-sighted. I think it's a combination of both.
2. More distributed energy technology - a big part of what keeps people invested in the current state is the infrastructure that keeps the society running (which, again, is why it's so suicidal of our elites to ignore infrastructure like they have.)
However, upcoming energy technology (not even talking about anything truly revolutionary) is going to be far more modular and distributed. This is going to undermine the state's case for why we should gather together into huge multicultural societies, they will no longer be able to point at the infrastructure benefits. Interweaving infrastructure can be a huge catalyst to convince people to join politically.
Or, to put things simply: Imagine ten towns reliant on one plant for energy. It will be much easier to convince them to band together politically, ignoring cultural and racial differences, than ten towns all dependent on their own plants. (And things get really interesting when we begin considering microplants that power a block, or a single building.)
In short, automation will make the current global political system that supports international trade unnecessary, and cause a labor crisis our current elites are too short-sighted to deal with, while more distributed energy networks will reduce the infrastructure need for large, multicultural states.
5ba832 No.6440
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>>6408I understand what you're saying about travel and experiences with foreign cultures cementing your own sense of identity. I'm a white American who has traveled extensively, and I've experienced this. I didn't feel as if I understand the place I grew up in until after I had seen many other places to give me a perspective. So I understand this point.
However, this place I grew up in is a major metropolitan area with a mix of cultures, races and languages. Despite being a mix of Irish, Italians, Germans, Africans, Russians, Ukrainians, Puerto Ricans, Iraqis, Jews, etc., it has a unique regional culture that is a mixture of those things. Of course there is conflict - and that becomes part of the cultural identity. People define their in-group according to who they consider the out-group, and this mutual difference of perspective shapes both groups. What usually happens, is another group moves in, and is different enough from the previously competing groups that now the groups who had been in conflict before have more in common and form a single in-group who defines themselves according to the new, more bizarre out-group.
That's somewhat besides the point, but I'm trying to explain one of the ways in which a diverse cultural environment creates a singular culture, and it seems self evident to me that this is how all cultural identities have come about.
I have trouble seeing cultures as anything other than an amorphous current of ideas and trends, and though I can understand using them to form an identity or to give historical context and explanations, it seems silly to me to suggest that they are something that can and should be preserved. It seems that attempting to preserve a culture is a self defeating goal, as the practice of cultural preservation as a rule could not have been part of the culture you are trying to preserve, because that culture could only have formed through a mix of older, once unique cultures.
For example, German nationalism in the early 20th century preached conservation of the German identity, despite the German identity being an amalgamation of dozens of different central European cultures only recently united in the 19th century.
abf1e0 No.6447
>>6408Let me put it this way:
There are basically 2 different kinds of multiethnic empires
1. Roman style - this means one dominant culture subjugates the conquered ones, the culture of the conquered ones slowly disappears. Ex: there are no more druids and havent been since Rome wiped them out. These can last for a long time due to forceful assimilation, which means the destruction of the conquered culture. When these collapse there may be war, but the wars are mostly political in nature. Moreover, the culture of these empires carries over into each section breaking off.
2. Multiethnic-multicultural empire. Mongolia, Austria-Hungary, British, etc. These make concessions to the conquered cultures, allow them to maintain their culture. This basically just guarantees that when the dominant culture becomes weak, the empire is guaranteed to fragment almost immediately back into its constituent parts. In these case, living together or under one empire does nothing, and in fact tends to give rise to even more ethnic violence that you would have otherwise.
8eae2a No.6450
>>6447Well there's a third one, an empire where the multi-ethnic elements conquered the dominant majority and make them do what they want.
See modern EU and US.
5d04a1 No.7757
9feb02 No.7779
>>7757>unfounded dismissalThere is archaeological evidence for it, idiot.
Even kikepedia recognises the hypothesis, you can start looking there.
e9b730 No.7815
>>5851Protip: Most are.
Thing is that leftards have made a strawman out of nationalism most nationalists won't even be arsed to shoot down knowing it will not make a difference.
You can't reason with the left.
e9b730 No.7817
>>5983Because the "skin deep" argument is an old intentionally disorienting strawman and at this point it's resource burning.
e9b730 No.7819
>>6440Requesting the in a world of nationalism vs in a world of multiculturalism comic for his hippie ass.
8984c7 No.8089
>>5772>another species>can interbreedOkay, Darwin.
8eae2a No.8090
>>8089>Okay, Darwin.The definition of a species is not, two groups that can't interbreed, but two groups with sufficient genetic distance.
c38047 No.8091
8984c7 No.8098
>>8091>what is biologyRead up on mules, anon. The ability of horses and donkeys to interbreed is is a rare exception. Mules are usually infertile and also have 63 chromosome (nearly all organisms have an even number).
Whites and negros are fully compatible and can interbreed with no problems and produce fertile offspring. If anything they are different races, which is defined as a population with a set of unique phaenotypical traits that sets it apart from others.
If you guys don't like interbreeding of human races, fine. But don't shit all over biology.
000000 No.8100
>>8098Yeah, this.
And even if it weren't this…
Let's say there is a significant biological difference between human beings. Let's say it's enough of one (by some scale we've determined…) to say that we are different "races" or "subspecies" or whatever word people want to use.
So what?
What would that change? It has no moral implication whatsoever.
8eae2a No.8101
>>8098>>8098>>Read up on mules, anon. The ability of horses and donkeys to interbreed is is a rare exception. No, interbreeding between species is very common, take bears and polar bears, different kinds of big cats and canines, camels and dromedaris, camels and lama's! Not to mention hundreds of species of birds, insects, lizards etc..
>Whites and negros are fully compatible and can interbreed with no problems and produce fertile offspring.Mixed offspring usually suffer from more health related problems, including mental instability.
(no your not getting sources)
8eae2a No.8102
8eae2a No.8104
>>8100>So what? Let's see, negroes are intellectually inferior and breeding with them would decreese the quality of the species they bred with.
8984c7 No.8112
>>8101It should be obvious that mental instability in mullatos is caused by identity problems. ("I'm white nor black?!?") Which in turn leads to self destructive behaviour such as increased drug consumption and bad sleeping habits that cause physiological health problems.
Interspecies hybrids are still rare and come with larger changes in their biological stucture. compared to their parents. Mullatos are not a hybrid species, they are, if you want to use dog breeding terminology, mutts or mongrels.
>>8090Yes, and this sufficient genetic distance usually leads to their inability to produce fertile offspring.
>>8100There ARE different races or subspecies of homo sapiens by common and biological definiton of these words. The reason it is a taboo to apply this concept to our own species is precisely because it DOES have a moral implication for some ideologues. It would give racists a scientific basis for their ideology to abuse.
>>8104Ideology.
8eae2a No.8118
>>8112>It should be obvious that mental instability in mullatos is caused by identity problems. Which is a typical lefty political correct explanation and therefor automatically false.
>Interspecies hybrids are still rare and come with larger changes in their biological stuctureExcept that they are not rare, please google hybrid speciation and then look at the pictures.
>Yes, and this sufficient genetic distance usually leads to their inability to produce fertile offspring.Eventually, lions and tigers are compatible and they are clearly species.
>Ideology.No counter-argument and you have exposed yourself as a communist, by claiming ideology.
8984c7 No.8120
>>8112To clarify: Anons, I respect your decision to reject interbreeding between human races. My problem with you is that you don't realize that an ideology cannot be supported by rational reasons. You are purposefully misanalysing material reality in order to rationalize your ideology. But an ideology needs to be supported by aesthetical argumentation rather than rational.
8eae2a No.8124
>>8120>My problem with you is that you don't realize that an ideology cannot be supported by rational reasons. Exactly, it's a biological fact that humans and negroes are two different species.
8984c7 No.8125
>>8118You seem like the type of person who values racial identity. Imagine you wouldn't have it. Imagine you grew up not knowing with whom to identify. A mullato doesn't have racial identity, because he's a mutt. This is a simple and objective analysis of their problems and I don't see what's PC about it.
I admit marxist material dialectics inspire me, but I am not a political commie. That's for ideologues ;-)
13dcca No.8128
>>6206I made a post that replied to OP and you have not answered it.
This is a bait thread then?
13dcca No.8131
>>8125They can identify with their family if their parents aren't complete trash.
8984c7 No.8134
>>8124No. Your ideology is that whites and negroes shouldn't interbreed which, while I don't agree with it, is fine. The problem is that you are twisting biological facts in order to rationalize it. What you should be doing is telling me how you feel about it. Ideology is about aesthetics, about feeling, not about science. There is no place for a scientific racism, but there is place for an aesthetical one.
>>8131That doesn't replace racial or cultural (if parents speak different languages, have different values, and so on) identity.
8eae2a No.8135
>>8125>You seem like the type of person who values racial identity. Imagine you wouldn't have it. Imagine you grew up not knowing with whom to identify.I would turn to some religion or ideology.
8eae2a No.8136
>>8134>No. Your ideology is that whites and negroes shouldn't interbreed which, while I don't agree with it, is fine. Thats a religious commandment, not an ideology, race mixing is a blasphemy against God.
>There is no place for a scientific racism, but there is place for an aesthetical one.No idea what that means.
936962 No.8143
>>8124I thought that two species are only different if they are unable to reproduce and create fertile offspring. Mulattos seem pretty fertile to me.
But i'm new to pol, so…
8eae2a No.8148
>>8143>But i'm new to pol, so…https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hybrid_speciationRead this, or go back to /pol/
7f16ac No.8153
>>5769>being a bit less intelligent automatically means you're inferior and worthlessYou should read My Awakening: A Path to Racial Understanding.
8984c7 No.8156
>>8136>Thats a religious commandment, not an ideology, race mixing is a blasphemy against God.Which is the race that kikes are elitist fucks.
>No idea what that means.Science is nothing more than an analytical tool used with the goal to find possible objective truths about the world (and possibly use them to make machines etc.) There is no place in science for ethical claims. ("Whites and negroes shouldn't interbreed!")
Ideology on the other hand is about what YOU subjectively feel that the world should be like. You need to tell me why YOU don't like seeing whites and negroes interbreed, why it makes you FEEL bad. Scientific racism is an act of abusing perceived scientific facts in order to fuel one's ideaology. But the only facts that matter for ideology is what you feel. Everyone is an ideologue in some way, we all want something without having any reason other than "I feel it would be nicer that way" or "I would enjoy it more that way".
Once you understand this you will cast off ignorance of material facts and welcome aesthetic racism.
>What I feel matters to me, and I bad about interbreeding between human races.This will be you.
>I try to project my ideology into science in order to rationalize what shouldn't need rationalization anyway.These are the people who suck at being racist.
8984c7 No.8158
>>8156Nice freudian slip there. I correct:
>Which is the reason that kikes are elitist fucks. 8eae2a No.8159
>>8156>>Science is nothing more than an analytical tool used with the goal to find possible objective truths about the world (and possibly use them to make machines etc.)Impossible, we can never know the World as it Is, only our vision of it.
8984c7 No.8165
>>8159Precisely why what matters is only what you feel.
I understand people holding fringe opinions often develope a pathological need to justify themselves. That's where the obession with twisting facts comes from. Wherever you where peopple hold /pol/ opinions, you will find this obessions. It is like a neurosis. I don't know it's a bit hard to explain what I mean. An example would be delusional twisting of the etymology of the word nazi in order to justify being a nazi.
Only once they become secure, once they become positive about their own feelings rather than exist only in denial of the feelings of others, they will be respectable. When they can say "I am a nazi, because I like it, and I don't need to justify my feelings", only then they will become real persons.
8eae2a No.8168
>>8165>Precisely why what matters is only what you feel.No, we are first beings that experience, the feeling comes later, you can experience yourself without feeling.
8984c7 No.8187
>>8168Take feeling in a broader sense. Like the greek word αἴσθησις (aesthetic is derived from this) which used to mean both perception and feeling for the greeks.
c38047 No.8220
>>5977This is the one thing I actually agree on with the white guilt people.
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8eae2a No.8615
>>8168>Take feeling in a broader sense. Like the greek word αἴσθησις (aesthetic is derived from this) which used to mean both perception and feeling for the greeks.I am not Greek, I assume you are not Greek and we are speaking a Germanic language, so clearly, it's about what words mean in English, not ancient Greek.
758b37 No.8618
I think a major part of race reality is not giving a shit about non-whites or what they think. Their inferiority is their own problem to discover on their own.
53f3b1 No.8685
>>5769What they should take away from it is that they shouldn't let inferior stock breed like rabbits and breed only with the best, like we all fucking should.
b20c96 No.9561
>>5769The only real thing we need to concern ourselves with is the dismantling and the destruction of affirmative action for women and minorities.
Its not only putting us behind other countries, its holding back human progress.
13dcca No.9621
>>6120>What exactly are you asking with this term race reality?>Are you telling us to ignore genetic differences because some people lust after traits that happen to be more common in europeans and it might make them feel bad to tell them not to racemix? 4b7959 No.10128
>>8089>Wolves and dogs>Tigers and Lions>Polar and Grizzly bearsShit head.
beb971 No.10139
>>5769Race reality is not the same as white supremacy. Race reality is acknowledging the differences in races. Whites are pretty smart and civilized, blacks from Kenia are good marathon runners, etc.
3d7e7a No.10227
>>6206You simply remove them.
621ba5 No.10236
>>5769>Is "race reality" a white-only idea?No, racism is a white-only idea. Nobody else spends a fraction of the time, thought and energy considering it.
4893bd No.10249
>>10236I see /int/ is starting to find new ways to try to shit up the board.
8eae2a No.10255
>>10236>No, racism is a white-only idea. Nobody else spends a fraction of the time, thought and energy considering it.That is right, in order to understand what racism is you have to be intelligent and scientific minded. Therefor only white people can think about racism.
24784b No.10263
>>10236I wonder what that whole thing about Japanese against immigration from Korea and the Philippines is about, I mean shit they're all "asian" I wonder if there's something else to it
f49e0b No.10272
>>10263>I wonder what that whole thing about Japanese against immigration from Korea and the Philippines is about, I mean shit they're all "asian" I wonder if there's something else to itAll Asian countries are incredibly racist, even towards one another. Koreans hate the Chinese, the Chinese hate the Japanese and vice versa. There are many minority groups living in China and the central government are always trying to shift the majority ethnicity into their areas to try and get them to leave, it's really sad. The Japanese have special derogatory words for foreigners which are commonly accepted and socially acceptable. Koreans, on the other hand, are much more open about their elitism and they hardly ever associate with non-Koreans, only very few of them do. It's hilariously ironic because they're always trying to be more and more Western, superficial and materialistic.
'Tolerance' is a white cultural thing, and we all know who introduced and enforced this idea in our societies.
4893bd No.10275
>>10263>>10272
>a shitpost actually sparked interesting discussion about the subjectLoving this board so far.
Looks like your tactic backfired, /int/.
d3b9b3 No.10284
>>5928>>6002>"Hey, you're inferior and shit and will never ever be able to achieve 1/100th of what the white race has done."You don't say this. You say that we have intrinsic differences that make us unique. We should celebrate our respective strengths and should not try and pretend to be what we are not. "Inferiority" is a natural state. There is not a human alive who does not know the feeling of inadequacy.
Do you mock blind people or crippled people because they're "inferior" You've created hierarchy where none exists and you've made nature sound spiteful when it's not.
f49e0b No.10289
>>10275/int/ will always fail because they're uneducated nutjobs with nothing constructive to contribute.
Anyway, I remember when I was travelling through Japan with a few friends and every time we would hop on a train or a bus the Japanese natives who would sit next to us would talk about us and mock us right in front of us and assuming that we couldn't understand them and say thinks like "stupid gaijin". There are also many shops which are "Japanese Only" and they've recently been spreading the myth that foreign men who marry Japanese women must be doing it because they want to gain entry into the country or because they're criminals in their home countries. It's very xenophobic.
Even when asking a few randoms on the street for basic directions to a restaurant or to a train station they will have a scared look on their faces as you approach them and many wouldn't help you even if you ask nicely. It's definitely racism, very xenophobic but there's a certain maliciousness to it.
And blacks, they literally get treated as shit.
4893bd No.10293
>>10289But would you say this is something positive or negative for them? Do you want the Japanese to change their behavior or their cultural norms about it?
f49e0b No.10304
>>10293Well it's sort of paradoxical because one one hand they have a very strong sense of what constitutes Japaneseness and they are very suspicious of foreigners, and on the other hand they are obsessed with Western consumerist crap imported from the US and they have one of the lowest birth rates in the world which is going to wreck havoc on their economy in the near future as they're going to have a massive older age demographic and their younger generation just won't have the manpower to pay for the older generation and their social services. So their is going to be an implosion at some point. The cultural thing is also ironic because they are very happy to import their anime all over the world yet they don't like it when foreigners appreciate their culture and want to experience it first hand.
The Japanese have always been a very insular culture, but I think this is question that only the Japanese can answer for themselves. They are definitely becoming more open compared to 10-20 years ago, and even at the moment they have nationalistic marches, "no gaijin allowed" places, restaurants, clubs, etc…
They definitely have to change their cultural norms if they want to stabilize their fertility rate as it's lower than most European countries and well below the replacement level. Both men and women focus on having careers before starting families, they have strange sexual fantasies (I don't know whether it's from the radiation from the US nuclear bombs), among other things.
I would also like to point out that there is a massive difference between being tolerant of other people within your own country and appreciating the fact that foreigners are interested in your country, people and wanting to experience its culture while traveling or on holiday and being treated with respect for doing so, instead of being treated like a criminal, invader or alien. At the moment it looks as if the current government wants Japan to become more open to foreigners.
They have a special word for their racism, it's called "innocent racism", even though it's very blatant. In sum, Japan/Korea have a strange fusion of heavy industrialization and a Westernization that still reinforces their respective countries national identity and self-identification in the face of globalization.
f49e0b No.10306
>>10293But to answer your question more succinctly (continuing from here
>>10304) I would say that the general culture reinforces the Japanese national identity MUCH more so than in Western/European countries but they also share the same problems with reproduction/fertility rates as us.
4893bd No.10310
>>10304That rant was kinda a bit unrelated to my question. I was just asking if you had any problems with the Japanese not treating foreigners very well and if you wanted them to change that behavior or not.
>they have strange sexual fantasies (I don't know whether it's from the radiation from the US nuclear bombs)Probably not, considering Germany's porn industry is full of weird fetishes like scat, piss, femdom, etc, as well. It's probably just due to losing the war really bad and having a few aspects of your culture warped by result.
d3b9b3 No.10320
>>6337Colonialism didn't get us where we are. Multiracialism, race denialism and collective guilt did that. All of these came out of the ideals propagated by the allies after the defeat of the Nazis. Don't get me wrong, unlike most here, I don't admire the Third Reich. They were socialists and populists that killed innocents for frivolous reasons. One of the worst things about them is how they poisoned eugenics and scientific racism for every nation on earth.
>Obviously not, or you'd be perfectly fine with all of the world's most powerful armies belonging to nations that are actively advocating multiculturalism and race mixing. If might makes right, then you should by all accounts be completely on board with today's liberal hegemony of the globe. I would be. I often say this on image boards, so you may have heard me say it before, if the darkies inherit then good on them. It proves that white people – as a collective – are the craven and self-loathing losers we always suspected that they were. What right do we have to our continued existence if our alleged "superior intellect" cannot save us?
Closing the borders is, regrettably, only a temporary solution. All closed systems reach equilibrium in the end, and in a globalised world, people move. The competitive exclusion principle ensures that two sorts of beings cannot occupy the same niche indefinitely, they ultimately converge towards an equilibrium: the optimum adaptation. Our species are the last Hominini for this reason, and human biodiversity follows the same principle.
When we think of homogeneous gene pools we are referring to isolated gene pool. Organisms usually look the same because a long time ago any meaningful sense of diversity diminished over time. Microevolution is always making a population better adapted to its niche.
Typically, the only way this can be avoided is by diversifying onto a different niche, which is how human races and the extinct sub-species arose in the first place in their respective environments. When the populations were reunited, one (homo sapiens idaltu) subsumed the all others creating homo sapiens sapiens which itself migrated across the continents giving rise to the races. Globalisation is undoing this process.
White Euroasians can't hide indefinitely. We may last centuries, we may last millennia, but one day we'll come to them or they'll come to us. We can have it on our own terms or we can acquiesce our heritage to the brown goobacks of tomorrow. You choose.
The most hopeful scenario is that eugenics and genetic engineering finds traction before then.
b1c38a No.10356
>Is "race reality" a white-only idea?
>implying east Asians aren't superior to most whites
7aa27f No.10393
>>10356Is that why every mongoloid nation that doesn't suck major White dick is a third world shithole?
217a36 No.10405
>>6206>What will you tell the millions of African Americans or the Somali immigrants already inside your country?Get out or get shot.
ad0cb4 No.10419
hahahahahahahahaa
>Will you just go to third world countries and tell them "Hey, you're inferior and shit and will never ever be able to achieve 1/100th of what the white race has done."?
Unless it benefits the country of my homeland, no.
>And even assuming you actually did that, how do you expect them to answer to it?
I'd have a good answer for that if I cared enough.
>Should they just sit down and say "Oh ok, I'm a worthless inferior nigger, please breed our women oh superior master"?
Stop projecting. What ethnicity are you anon? To be fair, I'm a mongrel of Irish, English, and dysgenic Italian.
>What implications does race reality have? Is "race reality" a white-only idea?
I'm not going to give you multiple paragraphs, but to keep it simple, it implies that each general ethnicity only works to take of itself, not any other. Another implication I suppose is that we should not let any other ethnicity influence our homogeneous society, nor should we allow them citizenship into our society. If they do need to be in our borders, there shouldn't be any rhetoric used to make them feel as if they are a part of our society.
There, I gave you one.
f926cc No.11630
>>5977>making this argument on a computer f926cc No.11632
>>6030>ascribe to a limiting morality f926cc No.11645
>>6136>muh indian holocaust> muh 1000 billion naked dirt eating savages died because they had literally no competition wow hyperbole much
13dcca No.11699
>>8100>>So what?>>What would that change? It has no moral implication whatsoever.typical ideology repeated on leftypol with no backing to it
even when it isnt brought up they focus on this "answer" to a question that hasnt been asked
>>8098why dont you read up on hybrids?
Species separated by far more degrees than needed to make them separate species can still form hybrids in unusual situations. Viable offspring and sometimes even persistent hybrid populations that can become separate species themselves
e57a2a No.12220
>>7779The hypothesis is Afrocentrism tier bullshit, and has been long debunked. There was never any real evidence for it anyway, only the coincidental tool similarity. The method used to claim Clovis as White, is the same Method that niggers used to claim Beethoven as Black, and claim that Black Moors were responsible for all of medieval European culture. Just pure bullshit and total nonsense.
http://violentmetaphors.com/2014/03/10/problematic-science-journalism-native-american-ancestry-and-the-solutrean-hypothesis/You should be ashamed of yourself for even mentioning it. You should not sink to nigger tier retardation just to avoid accepting the reality of the stiuation. Whites have been pawns of the Jews, and went on a global imperial murder spree to enrich their Jewish overlords. Fact.
13dcca No.12237
>>10289>maliciousnessHow is it malicious to not want dirty foreign non japs to come to Japan? They'll take your money, the businesses anyway, then they want you the fuck out.
1ae55c No.12313
>>5769>2nd row left center>bird shit on his head d3b9b3 No.12360
>>8120>My problem with you is that you don't realize that an ideology cannot be supported by rational reasons. >> What are postulates and outcomes? <<No ideology is, everywhere and at all times, rational. When defending ideology you make arguments which are logical within certain, agreed parameters.
Economics, for example, is scientific ideology. Scientific socialism and Austrian economics assume axioms about human behaviour. Under these assumptions economists argue that certain behaviours will inexorably result in to certain outcomes. To support this they make use of scientific methods of deduction, In the case of economics, this is usually empirical evidence from the sciences of econometrics, statistics and socio-economics. Naturally, they can still be wrong, and most ideologies are of course wrong, that's why there are so many of them, but this is a fault with their application of their "science". In the end, some scientists are wrong and some scientists are right.
Scientific racism is no different. It's a racism justified by anthropology, demography and genetics – research in essence. This is in contrast with simple racisms like tribalism or aesthetic racism –
which make no attempt to be scientific. As I said before, scientific racists could still be wrong and their ideas pseudoscientific, but the ideology itself would be scientific in its approach which is what the attributive adjective represents.
70ae70 No.13750
>>10289
Anon, quick question, are you white?
Funny enough, I never had the problems you ran into whenever I go to Japan (Which is very often since I used to live about about a 4 hour flight from Japan)
And most of them were extremely nice to me, with a few exceptions. (This one cashier in the fast food place wouldn't speak English to me when I was ordering, though I'm not sure if it's because she's not fluent in it or just doesn't want to)
75df71 No.13775
>>5769
>Is "race reality" a white-only idea?
It's been said there are no stupid questions, but this is a stupid question. You have the frame of mind of a sjw.
75df71 No.13776
>>5977
Bad analogy, whites didn't immigrate into an american indian country, they settled their own, indians didn't have one, the concept, and if you're going with firsties, Whites where there first, until the indians genocided them as recent evidence is showing.