aaedab No.5976[Last 50 Posts]
This thread is for discussion on diets, nutrition, fitness, health and how they relate to the health of a nation. Having healthy, fit citizens is very important for a nation, to see a nation in decline because of their health you need to look no further than the white once and now fat and diseased United States of America.
What is fitness? Being fit means
>Competency in biomotor abilities (strength, endurance, power, flexibility, balance, speed, agility, coordination) in relation to needs or goals>Muscle size, body composition, and activity level that matches needs or goals, not societal definitions or pressures>Mobile joints & relaxed muscles>Natural spinal and body alignment fostered by strong bones>Effortless nasal, diaphragmatic breathing>Efficient digestion and elimination>Healthy heart and good circulation (strong pulse and warm extremities, tip of nose)>Rarely experience sickness>Excellent sleep, libido, and fertility>Relaxed yet focused mind>Positive outlookCommon diets include:
Paleo
Keto
Mediterranean
Vegan
Peaterian (
http://pastebin.com/GmsEHYqX)
Interesting nutrition and health articles
http://raypeat.com/articles/articles/unsaturatedfats.shtmlhttp://raypeat.com/articles/articles/fats-functions-malfunctions.shtmlhttp://raypeat.com/articles/articles/fats-functions-malfunctions.shtmlhttp://raypeat.com/articles/nutrition/oils-in-context.shtmlhttp://raypeat.com/articles/articles/fats-degeneration3.shtmlhttp://raypeat.com/articles/articles/unsuitablefats.shtmlhttp://raypeat.com/articles/articles/diabetes.shtmlhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0VofcVk_8Ihttps://pranarupa.wordpress.com/2012/12/25/pufa-because-this-wouldnt-be-a-ray-peat-themed-blog-without-at-least-one-post-on-pufa/http://criticalmas.com/2013/11/problem-pufa/http://katedeering.com/archives/1076http://www.thenutritioncoach.com.au/anti-ageing/age-sweetly/Common nutritional myths and rumors
>saturated fats are bad and polyunsaturated fats are good (a myth pushed by the seed oil industry to sell their products)>sugary foods (such as orange juice) are bad for you/make you fat>'complex carbs' (ie starch, pure glucose) are a superior source of energy to sugar (glucose + fructose)>fructose is toxic (yes, it is, when you give mice absurd amounts they die from an overdose, just like when you drink 10 liters of water, you'll die)>white meat is healthier than red meat (if you're consuming a lot, white meat is generally better than red but you shouldn't be consuming a lot of meat anyways. red meat has a lot more nutrients than white meat)>aspirin causes stomach ulcers (pushed by pharmaceutical industry because paracetamol [which kills your liver] and ibuprofen are more profitable than aspirin)>margarine is healthier than butter>salt/sodium is unhealthy>cholesterol is unhealthy and will clog your arteries, even in small amounts>having a low resting pulse (under 75) indicates good health>dairy is inherently unhealthy for you>caffeine and coffee are unhealthy>you need vegetables for a healthy diet (they're almost always beneficial but they're by no means NECESSARY) 5e1174 No.5996
>>5976I don't understand how that image is considered a "diet", it's just all of the food and doesn't exclude anything…
aaedab No.6006
>>5996It excludes everything not listed. It would take me quite a few hours to add everything excluded.
I might just add the worst offenders to the infographic, like seed oils.
Read the text at the top and you'll see how the diet is defined.
c7ac3b No.6028
>orange juice
>sugary foods (such as orange juice) are bad for you/make you fat
Orange juice just has too much sugar and carbs. Yeah, you need those carbs, only if you work out a lot. If you're trying to get Vitamin C then there are much better alternatives than an orange anyways. You really just need to stick to drinking water and tea (and protein shakes of course).
If you're trying to lose weight, go on a low carb, high fat diet. This emerald pill diet is good for people who are already in shape.
aaedab No.6036
>>6028Sugar isn't bad dude, it's never been proven to be harmful. It's just glucose+fructose.
7ad11f No.6039
This diet blows dick. Why do you keep posting it? It's just Ray Peat's diet with the dumb pill meme slapped on it and some foods removed.
aaedab No.6040
>>6039What's your diet you dumb fuck? You criticize and post nothing better, you're a joke.
5129f7 No.6045
I wrote a recursive function to graph estimated testosterone levels based on dose, half-life, and cycle period. The function goes like this:
hlt( t, c, h, d )
Func
Local o
If floor( t/c ) > 0 Then
o = hlt( t - c, c, h, d ) + d*( 2^( -t/h ) )
Else
o = d*( 2^( -t/h ) )
EndIf
Return o
EndFunc
Where d is dose, t is time, c is cycle length, and h is half-life.
The graph this makes illustrates starkly the swings an E14D schedule gives vs an E3.5D schedule. My variables are:
t = x
c = { 3.5, 7, 14 }
d = { 50, 100, 200 }
h = 8
The x-axis is deliminated with marks every 7 days, and the y-axis is every 25 mg Testosterone Cypionate.
The above function should transcribe without issue into any TI-89, TI-92, or Voyage 200 calculator.
The only transcription issue you will have, are the 'o = ' lines, which are assignment lines and must be of the form 'stuff ASSIGNMENT_ARROW o' to work.
Enjoy!
161a3c No.6046
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
Sugar is bad
aaedab No.6052
>>6046Robert Lustig is a quack whose studies have been debunked.
Not only do many worrying fructose studies use unrealistic doses of the sugar unaccompanied by glucose, it also turns out that the rodents researchers have studied metabolize fructose in a very different way than people do—far more different than originally anticipated.
Studies that have traced fructose’s fantastic voyage through the human body suggest that the liver converts as much as 50 percent of fructose into glucose, around 30 percent of fructose into lactate and less than one percent into fats.
In contrast, mice and rats turn more than 50 percent of fructose into fats, so experiments with these animals would exaggerate the significance of fructose’s proposed detriments for humans, especially clogged arteries, fatty livers and insulin resistance.
In a series of meta-analyses examining dozens of human studies, John Sievenpiper of St. Michael’s Hospital in Toronto and his colleagues found no harmful effects of typical fructose consumption on body weight, blood pressure or uric acid production.
In a 2011 study, Sam Sun—a nutrition scientist at Archer Daniels Midland, a major food processing corporation—and his colleagues analyzed data about sugar consumption collected from more than 25,000 Americans between 1999 and 2006.
Their analysis confirmed that people almost never eat fructose by itself and that for more than 97 percent of people fructose contributes less daily energy than other sugars.
They did not find any positive associations between fructose consumption and levels of trigylcerides, cholesterol or uric acid, nor any significant link to waist circumference or body mass index (BMI)
431adf No.6055
It's cutting season brah. Lean meat, egg whites, and spinach.
I just bought 14 lbs of tilapia (chicken breast becomes hard to take down after a while) and 3 dozen eggs today. It's gonna be an awful couple of months…
aaedab No.6057
>>6055Cutting is for retards. If you diet properly you should be adding no fat and all muscle.
161a3c No.6062
>>6052Without looking at your studies just yet which I will when I have the time because diet interests me
How do you explain the obesity, diabetes and other health epidemics if it is not sugar that is causing it?
aaedab No.6075
>>6062It's many factors coming together.
Lack of exercise, lack of sunlight, too much polyunsaturated fat, too much meat, pharmaceutical drugs, micronutrient deficiencies, xenoestrogens, lack of sleep.
Sugar is bad when combined with excessive polyunsaturated fat, which most people have too much from the rise of seed oils within the last century.
fe8016 No.6099
For the most part I keep a simple and similar diet each day.
In the morning I consume porridge and a bit of my own made hot coca.
For lunch I pack different fruits each day, but generally pears
and slices of pineapple, a bag of carrots or broccoli, and
a weird but absolutely delicious homemade sandwich that contains Spinach,
mustard, garlic, kale, tomato on rye bread
Dinner is generally steak with corn or clams and lettuce
4bd833 No.6107
There is a ton of misinformation that you must go through to actually find real information related to health. OP is regurgitating what he's been told without research. These:
">sugary foods (such as orange juice) are bad for you/make you fat
>'complex carbs' (ie starch, pure glucose) are a superior source of energy to sugar (glucose + fructose)>fructose is toxic (yes, it is, when you give mice absurd amounts they die from an overdose, just like when you drink 10 liters of water, you'll die)>caffeine and coffee are unhealthyInstead of being a faggot and letting someone on the internet tell you what to think, I'll direct you to a couple of decent things that talk about a wide range of issues.
>Mercola.com>http://whale.to/ (On why the misinformation exists)>Growing Youthful (Book)>Many more things if you know how to search keywordsGood diet is something very basically devoid of foods that are heavily refined, free from artificial additives of any kind, as fresh as possible, grown in good soil that contains large amounts of bacterial life along with nutrients (Which is extremely rare), is quite varied and makes use all edible parts of animals, is what was traditionally eaten in societies and not recent additions (Like fermented soy products to the heavy use of unfermanted products that we see today. Not all are bad, though.) and the addition of fermented foods.
Entire body workouts/stretching is what you want for exercise. Focusing on one part of the body is for faggots.
00cfcb No.6116
>>5976>Common diets include:>Paleo>Keto>Mediterranean>Vegan>Peaterian Common diets? No thanks!
I'll have my meat dairy and eggs diet full of tomatoes fruits and onions!
aaedab No.6138
>>6097
>That guy looks like dogshit
Fuck off.
No visible age pigment, hair looks thick and no walker.
If you think this body is average for American 80 year old you must only see the healthy ones. He's easily in the top 20%.
aaedab No.6140
>>6138He looks better than you will at 80
101842 No.6143
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4bd833 No.6149
>>6135>Straw-manning, resorting to personal attacks and insulting me with imagesThis is who made the thread and is spreading this information, /polpol/.
>QuackwatchWhale.to actually covers that.
>http://whale.to/a/quackwatch.htmlQuackwatch is literally a shill organisation that is out to discredit pretty much any kind of 'alternative' medicine. (Non-allopathic) If you read that quackwatch article, it resorts to trying to destroy his reputation and is just regurgitating opinions stated by authority. (Don't forget to obey.)
You are defending a group that purposely suppressed dietary health information and dangers of the treatments they use so that they can sell drugs and treatments that treat symptoms instead of fixing the root cause.
180e78 No.6173
>>6149Mate, you're a fucking idiot getting the wool pooled over your eyes. Mercola recommends estrogen as something that prevents dementia. Mercola was a paid speaker for the drug companies in the mid-80s.
Not to mention tons of other bullshit
>"Fructose elevates uric acid, which decreases nitric oxide, raises angiotensin, and causes your smooth muscle cells to contract, thereby raising your blood pressure and potentially damaging your kidneys"LMAO
Mercola is a true cultist in every sense of the world.
Krill oil is great! Chlorella is great. UVs are great.
Carotene is great. Spirulina is great.
All the above are very profitable for Dr M.
I like he uses Lustig as his reference for fructose metabolism. I've listened to lectures of PhD level biochemists literally laughing (not generalized insults…literally can't control their laughter) at Lustig's fructose=liver disease hypothesis.
2f1bee No.6182
>>6036Sugar is a poison. It's inflammatory in nature, causes your insulin levels to spike which fucks up other hormones including leptin, and also the crystal nature is directly damaging to the musculature which is why diabetics who can't sequester their sugar have circulation problems. Lastly and probably the worst property is that it is addicting.
180e78 No.6184
>>6182Lies and misinformation lmao. You're gonna need to source these claims.
>It's inflammatory in natureNope.
>causes your insulin levels to spike which fucks up other hormones including leptinSo do carbohydrates and protein, hm, better stop eating protein guys!
>the crystal nature is directly damaging to the musculatureLmao what
>probably the worst property is that it is addictingGUYS EATING IS ADDICTIVE, STOP EATING GUYS !!!
2f1bee No.6188
>>6184I need to source that diabetics need foot amputations because sugar damages their vasculature? How do you think this situation comes about? One day their foot just says fuck it i'm out.
Look in any internal medicine text book tryhard.
2f1bee No.6190
>>6173I don't doubt that Mercola is probably full of shit. I don't think that other guy is really saying that you will get liver disease if you drink soda. He's saying you will have other issues related to the difference in metabolism as evidenced from the rat studies. No, your body won't act exactly like a rat, but you may have increases in uric acid which can compound issues related to obesity and dyslipidemia. People on long term use of allopurinol for gout see their blood pressure drop by a few points.
A biochemist you know may have laughed at that lecture, but people doubted that thiazide diuretics caused diabetes too. Turns out the small amount of potassium you lose over time IS clinically significant and many people who were never on potassium supplements probably should have been for decades.
2f1bee No.6191
>>6184>>6188Sorry, was typing microvasculature and it auto corrected.
2c06ba No.6194
>>6188>you get diabetes from sugarShit thread.
2f1bee No.6196
>>6194Too bad my post didn't say that.
180e78 No.6198
>>6188Yes you fucking do you cuck.
There's no medical book that says "sugar damages vasculature", not a fucking single one on Earth. Stop spreading bullshit.
>>6190Rat studies are bullshit.
see my post here
>>6052The common medical dogma is that uric acid should be kept as low as possible to avoid thing like gout and kidney disease. This study says that while high uric acid is not a good thing, low uric acid is actually predictive of kidney failure in young people who have no known history of kidney disease.
http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0118031
>"…This study showed that low as well as high levels of uric acid are associated with the loss of kidney function. Hypouricemia is a candidate predictor of kidney function decline in healthy people."http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/05/140527101352.htm"…Traditionally, uric acid has a bad reputation because high levels of the compound are associated with gout and other medical conditions. However, uric acid also has antioxidant properties.
Since only humans and higher primates maintain high blood levels of uric acid near saturated levels, uric acid has been speculated to be one reason humans live so much longer than, for example, dogs and cats.This recently released study, led by Assistant Professor Koji Itahana of Duke-NUS Graduate Medical School Singapore,
has also discovered how uric acid gets into cells to protect them in the event of stress. It goes through a transporter GLUT9 and is regulated by the protein p53, one of the most important tumor suppressors that mutated in about a half of cancers worldwide.The team from the Cancer and Stem Cell Biology Program at Duke-NUS showed first evidence of how the p53-GLUT9 pathway is a mechanism that prevents the accumulation of Reactive oxygen species (ROS). ROS are molecules containing highly reactive oxygen and at times of environmental stress can increase dramatically, and result in cell damage known as oxidative stress. Oxidative stress has been proven to cause aging, cancer, cardiovascular and neurodegenerative diseases.
Understanding this antioxidant pathway will enable researchers and clinicians to better understand how to prevent aging and other such diseases. Interestingly, Dr. Itahana also showed that
shutting down the GLUT9 antioxidant pathway in cancer may be an unorthodox way to target cancer once the patient already has the disease."'
>>6193LMAO
How is this thread off-topic, AT ALL? Nutrition is very THE LIFE BLOOD OF A NATION. Without good nutrition, your country turns into America. FAT, BLOATED, CAN'T EVEN WALK UP A FLIGHT OF STAIRS.
I probably read more studies in a week than you have in your entire life, so fuck off.
180e78 No.6203
>>6201
>/polpol/ is simply a clean and no-nonsense board for mature discussion, event speaking, arguments and anything else that suits your political/cultural topics.
Report submitted for off-topic on both of your posts, hopefully you get banned. It's quite clear that you don't contribute to any discussion on /polpol/, while I do.
4bd833 No.6212
>>6173Hey man, you're still straw-manning. I didn't link just Mercola.
>All the above are very profitable for Dr M.While at the same time drug companies make hundreds of billions of dollars per year with patented drugs. The stuff you mention can be bought elsewhere.
>Mercola recommends estrogen as something that prevents dementia.Where?
And does he recommend improving the health of the body so that it naturally releases more hormones?
I don't care to defend him as I have no clue what his real intentions are. He has released good information and has been subject to a disinformation campaign against him to destroy what he speaks out again. (The allopathic industry) He has introduced me to a great deal many topics with a lot less bias and spin than a lot allopathic propaganda.
>>6198>Sugar damages vasculatureDo any of these count?
>https://duckduckgo.com/?q=sugar+damages+vasculature&t=ffcm 4bd833 No.6213
>>6201
>low carb or veganism
Hey friend, neither of things are bad in all possible situations. Most people know shit all about dietary needs so they go into these diets with as much information as yourself and become deficient in one thing or another.
OP is shitposting and trying to shut down discussion with his personal attacks and ridicule.
f79db0 No.6217
>>5976Nutrition is simple really. Just eat whole foods, some fruits and veggies, avoid the overprocessed junk. Eat a reasonable amount of calories, stay fit and that's it.
some more advices :
- monounsaturated oils is the true superior choice (olive, avocado), don't fry with them though but you should consider fried food a treat, not an everyday thing.
- meat is fine, better buy less and quality stuff, rather than supporting large industrial meat industry. these animals really have an even worse diet than the average person.
- potatoes, bread, rice is fine. Carbs are fine, just don't stuff your face with donuts all day you know.
>Common nutritional myths and rumorsplenty of overreaction in this "myth debunking"
>>6188Sugar is not a poison, large amounts of processed sugar is a poison, binge eating sugar is a poison.
there's plenty of sugar in wholefoods and it's fine.
your body run on glucose (YES CARBS) and it's just fine.
Diabetics are not healthy and have trouble assimilating sugars, of course sugar is a bigger trouble for them.
180e78 No.6224
>>6212None of those say sugar damage vasculature though.
>>6213>personal attacks and ridiculeTop kek, if you'd like to post studies, feel free to. You haven't though, you've just shitposted and shilled.
>>6217Finally, somebody who knows at least a bit what they're talking about.
Nutrition isn't really that simple though, there's a lot of stuff out there is bad for you.
2f1bee No.6226
>>6217I'm not talking about fruit which is healthy sugars packaged in fiber. I'm talking about refined sugar being added to other foods we eat. This sugar is artificially added to our diet and isn't packaged in fiber so the absorption is too rapid.
>>6198http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25753569
>CONCLUSIONS: The small elevation of blood glucose levels in the prediabetic state may have a detectable influence on endothelial function as indicated by changes to 8-OHdG, indicating an increased DNA-damage and homocysteine release from endothelial cells. Increased oxidative stress as indicated by the reduced GSH/GSSG ratio is likely to be the link between the moderate hyperglycaemia in prediabetes and pathological changes in endothelial function, which in the long-term may promote atherogenesis and result in the development of cardiovascular disease. Early detection of prediabetes is essential to avoid diabetes development and the associated complications like cardiovascular disease. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25824591
>Macrovascular and microvascular complications that accompany Type 2 diabetes mellitus (T2DM) add to the burden among patients.
>no medical book that says "sugar damages vasculature," not a fucking single one on EarthIf sugar doesn't cause the sequela of retinopathies, nephropathies, and poor circulation then what is the reason for every diabetic medication ever created? Troll somewhere else.
4bd833 No.6228
>>6224>you've just shitposted and shilled.>More personal attacksI have attempted to show you the disinformation that you are spreading and the reasons behind it but all I have been faced with is you attacking me and others who disagree with what you say.
>Top kek, if you'd like to post studies, feel free to.And then you can post "studies" all day long too and we'll get no-where because there are a lot of trash studies that exist. It's all irrelevant when you realise that there is a medical conspiracy to suppress information and you search for yourself. (Which you should do instead of folding to what is spoon-fed to you.)
Here is the content aggregation website that concerns the medical conspiracy that exists, among others.
www.whale.to
2f1bee No.6229
>>6198>>6224Here is a study which LITERALLY SHOWS YOU PICTURES OF IT HAPPENING
http://www.hh.um.es/pdf/Vol_21/21_9/Mandal-21-941-950-2006.pdf
>Intracellular needle-shaped structures were found in a small number of high glucose alone treated ECs for 2 days but in a large number of high glucose alone-treated ECs for 6 days and in a more pronounced fashion after 10 days (Figs. 3,4). These structures were not found in control ECs and found rarely in ECs treated with high glucose and insulin, high glucose and heparin, alone or in combination. 180e78 No.6236
>>6226>>6229Can you show me where these studies mention sugar?
>>6228I'm not denying that medical conspiracies exist, they certainly do.
2f1bee No.6237
>>6236Sorry I have humored you enough by posting the studies, as well as copy/pasting relevant information. You will have to spoonfeed yourself the rest of the way. I do hope you learn something, though.
4bd833 No.6238
>>6236Then why are you acting like a complete retard and just spouting bullshit put out by our allopathic industry?
180e78 No.6240
>>6237>posts irrelevant studies>gets upset when asked to show relevance of studiesUh. Ok.
>>6238Where I have spouted bullshit? Name a few. If anything, I'm going against mainstream nutritional advice.
180e78 No.6245
>>6241
>STOP DISCUSSING HEALTH GUYS PLZ, JUST LET ME A FAT ASS IN PEACE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111
4bd833 No.6248
>>6240>Where I have spouted bullshit?In your personal attacks and attempt at ridiculing everything that doesn't agree with what you said. Also posting factually incorrect information like refined sugar will not destroy you.
>Against mainstream nutritional advice>cites quackwatch>>6245>Personal attacks and ridicule 180e78 No.6249
>>6248But Mercola IS a quack, quackwatch just has a good index of his bullshit. Come on, Mercola IS a quack that just wants to make a quick buck (which he has, since he lives in a FUCKING MANSION). I don't give a fuck about quackwatch.
>Also posting factually incorrect information like refined sugar will not destroy you.Except it won't???
I mean, we've been hunting honey for THOUSANDS OF YEARS, which has no fiber, so you can't pull the fruit "muh fiber card".
Listen, I'm not saying white sugar is good. It's not, it's practically nutritionally devoid apart from energy. Fruit, fruit juices and honey are always superior. You hear me?
IF YOU HAVE ACCESS TO RIPE FRUIT, FRUIT JUICES OR HONEY, FEEL FREE TO NEVER TOUCH WHITE SUGAR.
>Personal attacks and ridiculeLmao, as if that guy isn't attacking and ridiculing.
>steroid abuser>gay little autist 2f1bee No.6251
>>6240I can't force you to read the information I posted. Go for it, but it is not up to me. Willingly ignoring the direct refutation of your claims, however, is showing you for a disingenuous troll that doesn't know what he is talking about.
180e78 No.6252
>>6251>direct refutationStill haven't shown me where the studies even mention sugar, you haven't refuted anything.
>HEY MAN THIS STUDY DISPROVES YOU>Hm, I can't see where it mentions sugar. Can you show me?>WOW FAGGOT IM NOT GOING 2 SPOON FEED U WOW 2f1bee No.6253
>>6252>doesn't know ctrl + f 180e78 No.6254
2f1bee No.6255
>>6254Sorry bud, actual science journals might use use more science-y terms than just 'sugar'. Try to keep up, though. Or you can try reading the information you personally requested from me. The first study has pictures, though, like I said. That one might be more up your ally.
180e78 No.6257
>>6255Wow, you're persistent aren't you kid?
Hmmm… let's search for other names for sugar.
Let's start with Monosaccharide. Oops no results in any.
Maybe just saccharide will show up a few results? Nope.
Uh… maybe fructose? No, again.
Welp. Looks like you STILL have no proof.
2f1bee No.6258
>>6257Why not just actually read the studies? Is there a reason? :^)
2f1bee No.6260
>>6259
>posts proof
>won't read copy pasta taken from study
>won't read study itself because a few pages is too long
Actually, if you're trying to type layman's terms like 'sugar' into science journals then you probably wouldn't understand any of it anyway. Oh well.
180e78 No.6263
>>6260>CONCLUSIONS: The small elevation of blood glucose levels in the prediabetic state may have a detectable influence on endothelial function as indicated by changes to 8-OHdG, indicating an increased DNA-damage and homocysteine release from endothelial cells. Increased oxidative stress as indicated by the reduced GSH/GSSG ratio is likely to be the link between the moderate hyperglycaemia in prediabetes and pathological changes in endothelial function, which in the long-term may promote atherogenesis and result in the development of cardiovascular disease. Early detection of prediabetes is essential to avoid diabetes development and the associated complications like cardiovascular disease.
>Macrovascular and microvascular complications that accompany Type 2 diabetes mellitus (T2DM) add to the burden among patients.
>Intracellular needle-shaped structures were found in a small number of high glucose alone treated ECs for 2 days but in a large number of high glucose alone-treated ECs for 6 days and in a more pronounced fashion after 10 days (Figs. 3,4). These structures were not found in control ECs and found rarely in ECs treated with high glucose and insulin, high glucose and heparin, alone or in combination.Listen, I understand it's hard for you to accept that sugar isn't bad. I know, I understand. You just need to come to terms with it. Ok? Just take it slowly, take a few deep breathes and saying slowly "sugar isn't bad" over a few times.
Now, how about we read this little copypasta ya got here. We've got some talk about ECs, glucose, heparin and 8-OHdG. Oh well, I don't see how any of this relates to sugar at all. Oh wait… hmmm… hmmm that's because doesn't and you're just posting bullshit.
Why is it that you refuse to admit it? Are you scared of the truth? Trying to hide something? Maybe you just can't accept the dogma you've told for years isn't true. Oh well, I've already wasted enough of my time on you. Go on, reply one more time about how "you just don't understand, ur so dumb". Come on, I know you want to. You know want to lie yourself, just do it. One more little lie. It won't hurt, you'll feel good about yourself. Like a big guy, but really, you're a small guy.
544e99 No.6271
>>6259
>(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)
Nice
d1d86f No.6318
>>5976Question: Why does the milk have to be low fat? Animal fat is rich in cis-fatty acids and is generally better for you than plant fat could ever be.
Is it because of the calories? Well, just work out more.
4bd833 No.6323
>>6318Look at what the OP posted throughout this thread, if you wanna get an idea of what you're reading.
d1d86f No.6341
>>6323Ok, I have read some of the articles. So unsaturated fatty-acids have some unhealthy matabolic byproducts.
Well everything is a poison if you overdo it. Unsaturated fats are still needed for a flexible cell-membrane. And I don't think that drinking some 3% fat milk is going to do much damage.
21bc8b No.6350
>>6318>Question: Why does the milk have to be low fat? Animal fat is rich in cis-fatty acids and is generally better for you than plant fat could ever be.Is it because of the calories? Well, just work out more.
Most likely just health fanaticism, our ancestors would drink fatty milk all the time and they where healthy.
42df3b No.6371
>>6055Why would anyone not eat the yolk?
79c4c2 No.6417
It sure smells like hotpockets in here.
Nevertheless, the truth shall set you free.
Ray Peat is a senile old man who offers nothing in the way of diet and nutrition.
For whatever reason, OP shills Peat's diet constantly on other boards.
This begs the question: why is OP so committed to spreading the gospel of Peat?
No prominent nutritionist or doctor in the world has endorsed Ray's diet.
No studies exist beyond Ray's original research that validate his claims.
OP even took the Ray Peat branding off the image and added the pill meme to appeal to channers.
Every doctor and scientist in the world will tell you that excessive fructose consumption leads to obesity.
Have the average basement-dwelling channer eat nothing but fructose and high-carb meals for a month, and you'll create an even more obese channer.
OP is just trying to make you all fat while parroting Ray Peat's asinine theories.
What is the meaning of this?
4bd833 No.6573
>>6263>glucose not sugartry harder
5e1174 No.6616
>>6075lack of sunlight?
what do you mean by lack of sunlight?
5e1174 No.6618
>>6099good job?
what do you think you're contributing by posting that?
674cac No.6796
>>6341>Unsaturated fats are still needed for a flexible cell-membraneThe amount required is extremely low and easily gotten if eating whole foods.
>>6417>Every doctor and scientist in the world will tell you that excessive fructose consumption leads to obesity.Excessive consumption of anything leads to obesity. Any more nuggets of wisdom you'd like to impart on us?
>>6573Uh, you know all carbs have glucose… right?
>>6616Lack of sunlight exposure leading to vitamin d deficiency.
5e1174 No.6803
>>6217The diet pictured works great for asians, but is way too carb heavy for a european.
b3755f No.6843
>>6182If sugar is so bad, why does fruit taste so good to us?
b3755f No.6844
>>6803How come? Why would europeans need less carbs than asians?
c7ac3b No.6876
>>6796>Uh, you know all carbs have glucose… right?Your body turns carbs into glucose.
I think there's been a massive derailing on this thread about sugar. SUGAR isn't going to make your body explode, simple sugars like in honey or fruit/veggies are fine (in moderation of course, just like anything). The big problem is ADDED sugar to shit JUST to make it taste sweet. Is orange juice okay? Yes, but should it be included in a diet? FUCK NO. It takes about 4 oranges to make a cup of orange juice. Who do you know eats 4 oranges in one sitting? There's a reason why fatties eat a lot sweets.
Sugar is awful for your teeth, in all forms too. That's why you eat things that your body can then convert to sugar.
And don't be a fucking idiot and only eat fruit like Steve Jobs, that's literally why he died.
5e1174 No.6885
>>6844I just know from my own experiences in asia, and with recent asian immigrants to my country. Whites on the japanese diet tend to get fat as fuck and put on a lot of weight, but lose weight on a high meat western diet.
Asians on a high meat western diet tend to put on a lot of weight, but lose it on the high carb japanese diet.
I can't explain the mechanism but I've seen it happen so much. We're just genetically different, we need different food sources.
2900a0 No.6899
>>6876>Sugar is awful for your teeth, in all forms tooDoesn't matter if you practice proper teeth hygiene.
>Yes, but should it be included in a diet?Yes.
bca84a No.6901
>>6843Pretty sure he is referring to refined sugar and not natural sugar found in fruits.
2900a0 No.6910
>>6901Natural sugar is the same as refined sugar, it's just glucose-fructose. The sugar you get from a piece of watermelon is no different from refined sugar.
c7ac3b No.6921
>>6910>The sugar you get from a piece of watermelon is no different from refined sugar.Wrong.
4bd833 No.6923
>>6899>Doesn't matter if you practice proper teeth hygiene.Proper dental hygiene is done by staying away from sugar. Literally the primary reason for the the amount of tooth decay in our society is sugar. Something recently actually came out regarding how lobbying was done to suppress the research.
>http://journals.plos.org/plosmedicine/article?id=10.1371/journal.pmed.1001798There is literally no reason to use sugar when other carbohydrates are available.
>>6885>We're just genetically different, we need different food sources.These appears to be a legitimate thing. From what I've seen it appears to manifest itself in the ratio of energy that you should get from your food in either fats, carbohydrates or proteins. Then there appears to be things like lactose and gluten. (Wheat is an interesting thing and there are anti-nutrients in it that aren't great for you as well as gluten potentially.)
>>6910Sugars contained within fruits come with fiber, which slows it's digestion in your gut. Refined sugars do not have this and lead to a spike in blood-sugar levels (The sugar is glucose, which is why there is evidence to suggest that sugar damages blood-vessels like out-lined by 2f1bee in the thread.)
2900a0 No.6926
>>6921Oh I'm sorry, is your fructose-glucose different to mine?
>>6923All carbohydrates cause tooth decay.
Dentists are far too caught up in a mechanistic view of how tooth decay works. “Sugar ya see feeds bacteria, which leads to fermentation and the production of acids as a by-product, then this wears down tooth enamel – the first step in the development of tooth decay.”
Nutritionists are too mechanistic too. “Sugar don’t got no minerals ya see, and teeth are made of minerals, so if you eat the ‘toxic anti-nutrient’ known as sugar yer teeth are just gonna waste away.”
Well, I eat sugar all damn day long from fruit, potatoes, juice, Coca-Cola, dried fruit, ice cream, chocolate, and even eat sugary stuff right before bed… and my teeth just keep getting stronger. It’s not just me either. I’m hearing this reported more and more when people get things really dialed in tight.
At my recent trip to my dentist, no cavities, caries of plaque found. He said
I have the best teeth for my age he's seen for months. Fruitarians like durianrider also have fine teeth.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRhPk8TlRIgHow do you explain that?
>Sugars contained within fruits come with fiber, which slows it's digestion in your gut. Refined sugars do not have this and lead to a spike in blood-sugar levels (The sugar is glucose, which is why there is evidence to suggest that sugar damages blood-vessels like out-lined by 2f1bee in the thread.)Lmao. What about watermelon, grapes and honey? They have extremely little fiber and the amount of iber contained in fruit is pretty low, a good sized apple/pear/orange only has around 3-5 grams of fiber which compared to the sugar content isn't much.
>The sugar is glucoseOH NO? GLUCOSE???
BETTER STOP EATING ALL CARBS.
You do fucking know that all carbs have glucose? Like holy shit, do you even know ANYTHING about nutrition? Let me hammer this into your thick skull.
ALL
CARBS
HAVE
GLUCOSE
4bd833 No.6930
>>6926>All those statements without proofNigga, do you have anything to back it up?
>watermelon grape honeyI don't suggest you consume those.
>Little fiberI won't argue specifics as I don't know them about every single fruit.
>GlucoseYou're simplifying my argument so that you can attack it.
>personal attacksTry harder
2900a0 No.6931
>>6930>I won't argue specifics as I don't know them about every single fruit.I listed the fruits with the highest fiber content, you don't need to research.
>You're simplifying my argument so that you can attack it. AHAHAHAHA. wow.
Your argument.
>The sugar is glucose, which is why there is evidence to suggest that sugar damages blood-vessels like out-lined by 2f1bee in the threadYou're saying glucose is bad, and therefore sugar is bad because it has glucose. Well, all carbs have glucose. Welp, better stop eating all carbs!
>All those statements without proofYou too.
2f1bee No.6937
>>6926This is incorrect. Both sugar alcohols (things like xylitol and sorbitol) and insoluble fiber are carbohydrates yet do not get broken down into glucose.
What you're telling us is that you don't understand the difference between simple carbohydrates and complex carbohydrates. The bacteria in your mouth can't utilize complex carbohydrates, only simple sugars. Of the simple sugars, only sucrose can be used by the primary culprit behind tooth enamel decay, S. mutans, to form plaque.
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1046/j.1365-2672.83.s1.9.x/pdf
>Clearly, any of the sugars which can be fermented may contribute to acid production but of particular interest is the an ecological shift in the plaque microflora and a resultant increase in aciduric species, especially mutans streptococci metabolism of the sugar which has been termed ‘the arch-criminal in dental caries’, sucrose. 4bd833 No.6940
>>6931>FiberHere is this, which shows how increased fiber consumption resulted in lower rates of disease related to sugar consumption.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3257631/>Dietary fiber and whole grains contain a unique blend of bioactive components including resistant starches, vitamins, minerals, phytochemicals and antioxidants. As a result, research regarding their potential health benefits has received considerable attention in the last several decades. Epidemiological and clinical studies demonstrate that intake of dietary fiber and whole grain is inversely related to obesity, type two diabetes, cancer and cardiovascular disease (CVD).
>Derailing and attackingDon't act retarded.
>You're saying glucose is bad, and therefore sugar is bad because it has glucose. Well, all carbs have glucose. Welp, better stop eating all carbs!I didn't say that and you're putting words in my mouth. Read my post here.
>>6923>Sugars contained within fruits come with fiber, which slows it's digestion in your gut. Refined sugars do not have this and lead to a spike in blood-sugar levels (The sugar is glucose, which is why there is evidence to suggest that sugar damages blood-vessels like out-lined by 2f1bee in the thread.) 2900a0 No.6941
>>6937>The bacteria in your mouth can't utilize complex carbohydratesLOL
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbohydrate#ClassificationHowever, the exact distinction between these groups can be ambiguous. The term complex carbohydrate was first used in the U.S. Senate Select Committee on Nutrition and Human Needs publication Dietary Goals for the United States (1977) where it was intended to distinguish sugars from other carbohydrates (which were perceived to be nutritionally superior).[29] However, the report put "fruit, vegetables and whole-grains" in the complex carbohydrate column, despite the fact that these may contain sugars as well as polysaccharides. This confusion persists as today some nutritionists use the term complex carbohydrate to refer to any sort of digestible saccharide present in a whole food, where fiber, vitamins and minerals are also found (as opposed to processed carbohydrates, which provide energy but few other nutrients). The standard usage, however, is to classify carbohydrates chemically: simple if they are sugars (monosaccharides and disaccharides) and complex if they are polysaccharides (or oligosaccharides).
Starch is classified as "complex carbohydrate" and can certainly harm your teeth, so obviously you don't know what you're talking about.
I'm not contesting the positive benefits of fiber consumption, if that's what you're saying.
>I didn't say that and you're putting words in my mouth. Read my post here.Yes you did.
>The sugar is glucose, which is why there is evidence to suggest that sugar damages blood-vessels like out-lined by 2f1bee in the thread.Are we going in circles here? Yes we are, because you clearly don't know how to debate.
2f1bee No.6944
>>6941The government debating nomenclature has no bearing on what I said. S Mutans, can't eat a potato.
Although amylase in the saliva begins to metabolize starch, what you swallow is only partially digested and is finished by the pancreas.
2f1bee No.6947
>>6945
I used S mutans because its the main cause of dental caries. Feel free to post the other bacteria in the mouth that use starches to create plaque. I am really interested in what you find.
2900a0 No.6949
2f1bee No.6950
>>6949You're a terrible troll. You could have at least accused me of straw manning you because you never said that S mutans used starches to make plaques. Even so, I can't figure out why you're shilling so hard for sugar? Do you work for Pepsi or something?
2900a0 No.6953
>>6950>You're a terrible trollWhy is it so hard to accept that sugar isn't the only cause of dental decay? I mean, come on? How are my teeth fine? Hm? I eat 200-300 grams of sugar A DAY and my teeth are GREAT. Either I'm an EXTREME outlier or sugar isn't that bad.
>Even so, I can't figure out why you're shilling so hard for sugar?Why are you shilling so hard against it?
I don't advocate for refined sugar intake. I advocate for fruit, honey and fruit juice intake, refined sugar is a last resort.
Maybe I'm funded by the fruit industry worldwide?
4bd833 No.6954
>>6950The same OP and disinformation has been posted on /pol/, too.
2900a0 No.6955
>>6954Hi shill! Why are you so against fruits and honey? ARE YOU FUNDED BY THE POTATO INDUSTRY?!?!?
And you STILL haven't proven sugar is bad for you, and you never will, because it isn't.
4bd833 No.6960
>>6953I was looking at some of the background at Ray Peat, which is someone that OP posted a lot of and what I think this sugar thing is based on. Here is an interview with him that goes over some of his beliefs and what the sugar obsession is about.
>http://www.raypeatforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=73&t=5559&sid=1d6bdeacd32cc198e58957d99c9ee32f b7da77 No.6967
>/pol/ thread
79c4c2 No.7008
>>6955
>making fun of people who eat sugar while you can't eat nuts as a Ray Peat sycophantThe most hilarious thing about fad diets is how they always have one forbidden food.
Ray Peat is afraid of nuts.
He'll eat a whole bag of pork rinds before he'll even touch a simple, ordinary nut.
He also talks about the benefits of drinking his own piss.
What kind of fool is afraid of nuts and drinks his own piss?
He's the same kind of fool who trolls online image boards in a vain attempt to drum up interest in his fad diet that no one endorses.
Why would you hit people over the head over sugar when you can't even eat some of the most basic and natural foods on this planet like nuts and seeds?
You don't have any clinical research outside of the Ray Peat doctrine that proves your claim that nuts are unspeakably evil and excess fructose doesn't lead to obesity.
Why do you continue to pimp Ray Peat's diet and run from nuts as if your life depended on it?
Why are you so irrationally afraid of nuts?
21bc8b No.7009
>>7008>What kind of fool is afraid of nuts and drinks his own piss?Someone who is…. nuts….
177e91 No.7039
>>5976>sugary foods (such as orange juice) are bad for you/make you fat>a mythNigga I reduced my sugar intake to basically zero and the pounds literally melted off of me. Sugar is empty calories, it doesn't make you feel full, if you can cut it out of your diet you will be all the better for it. It's not BAD, but if fattens you up something fierce.
841799 No.7092
As much as people joke about underwear models, iron pill diet is pretty solid.
7769b2 No.7356
>>7008Urea, not drinking your own piss lmao.
>most basic and natural foods on this planet like nuts and seedsIf you knew anything about nutrition (you don't), you'd know that the nuts and seeds we eat today are hardly "basic and natural".
>excess fructose doesn't lead to obesityExcess anything leads to obesity.
I enjoy a few macadamia nuts.
>>7039Good for you, you ate too much, ate less and lost fat.
>Sugar is empty calories, it doesn't make you feel fullLol. I feel full from eating sugar.
>, but if fattens you up something fierce.Explain how I'm lean and so are fruitarians.
754fc5 No.8055
Post poisons.
4193de No.9127
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7769b2 No.9528
>>9194>>9194>waah, mommy he's saying things I don't like are healthy! d4096e No.9565
>>9528You must be the only person on the planet than thinks that soda is healthy. Actually, you must be trolling.
>I "like" soda, but it's pretty clearly not healthy.Half of the rest of "Emerald Pill" diet is shit too. Gimme gimme moar sugar
Frankly the whole "pill dude" meme seems pretty manipulative anyways
7769b2 No.9571
>>9565>sugar is unhealthyGot anymore myths to spread? Maybe a few about how dairy is unhealthy? Eggs are unhealthy? Saturated fat is unhealthy?
Just put em all out there.
d4096e No.9576
>>9571I can live with just protein and fat, but I can't live with just sugar. Then there's what's plainly obvious to me: I feel like shit when I eat sugar, and my feet stink more. Tired of feeding shit like Candida.
If eating sugar like a goddamned monkey works for you, go ahead, but you're fighting an uphill battle trying to convince people to eat more sugar when huge masses of people are finally figuring out it was their problem all along.
That's all I have to say, I'm not going to engage in that shill-war and it was already done a few days ago in either this thread or another one on /polpol/
I'll just say, you are going to look ridiculous promoting sugar these days. Especially no-nutrition shit like cola. it's literally just calories
536784 No.9590
Currently on the 5x5 stronglifts program. It's one of the best strength regiments and simplest for beginners. This has enormously improved my strength, posture, gains, confidence, and motor skills since I started. I pretty much was at retard level in regards to these things.
Also, I advice that you focus heavily on form. Take video of yourself and analyze your form, and if you injure yourself, stop until fully healed. Additionally, there is a cool app for it on the android and ios market to keep track of it.
2993bb No.9624
>>9571The sugar in the doses present in cola, being corn fructose, is unhealthy.
ab7e29 No.9712
>still shilling for Ray Peat
Bro, shut the fuck up. Go champion your 80-year-old geezer elsewhere. This isn't even politics. Reported.
96dc4e No.9769
>>6217>don't fry with olive oilAnother myth.
Does olive oil lose many of its health benefits at high heat? Yes.
Is it more harmful than any other oil or fat at high heat? No.
If you are going to fry in the first place then olive oil is one of the better oils to fry with because the antioxidants it contains helps avoid some of the oxidation that occurs at high heat, especially much less so than polyunsaturated oils like sunflower oil. It's one of the best choices either way.
2900a0 No.10147
>>9576>Then there's what's plainly obvious to meWhats plainly obvious to me is that you're jumping to illogical conclusions. You can live without any modern luxuries, would you like to?
>I feel like shit when I eat sugar, and my feet stink moreThat's not good, however, you're a tiny majority here.
>when huge masses of people are finally figuring out it was their problem all alongLol.
>>9624Prove it.
>>9769Olive oil has a low smoke point and tastes terrible when cooking at high heat.
f79db0 No.10175
>>9769French here, we don't find here the heavy filtered olive oil that can support higher temps.
>Does olive oil lose many of its health benefits at high heat? Yes.I wouldn't say olive oil has health benefits whatsoever.
It maybe is the best oil, but it remains a highly calorific ingredient with low vitamins/minerals.
It should be used sparingly to enhance flavor or texture.
Some people eat a spoonful of olive oil and it is higly idiotic.
41c47a No.10234
that diet in the OP is shitty. There is no reason or benefit to eating that much fruit. Also there is alot of evidence that suggests dairy is bad for you (milk/cream specifically, cheese is not as bad).
There is nothing wrong with eating alot of fats, the fat in canola oil/olive oil/nuts/cheese/dark fish is all good, the fat in meat is fine too.
96dc4e No.10287
>>10175Olive oil has an average smoke point relative to other oils, not low at all. Not the highest and not the lowest.
As for tasting terrible, we agree to disagree.
2993bb No.10297
>>10147>Prove it.If you claim that large amounts of sugar, fructose sugar at that, are healthy, it's you who needs to deliver proof. You can pick up your nobel prize after doing so.
90ca60 No.10330
>>5976Never do paleo, I heard keto is useless so it might be in the same boat.
Don't fall for fucking fads, it's really easy to get you on those. Listen to the advice of a fat balding russian in a tracksuit olympic instructor rather than random topless Azn on roids (but he never mention them) making fucking youtube shit.
96dc4e No.10333
205122 No.10369
>>10330Actually, I'm on paleo and it is really great.
Check this site: paleoleap.com
Also, later I'll publish one of their books "Your Guide to Paleo" here.
88bcdd No.10679
>>10234>Also there is alot of evidence that suggests dairy is bad for youNone that outweight the benefits.
>There is nothing wrong with eating alot of fats, the fat in canola oil/olive oil/nuts/cheese/dark fish is all good, the fat in meat is fine too.You could have just said "all fats are good". Which is plainly wrong, polyunsaturated fats in amounts above 4g per 2000 calories has many negative health effects.
>>10297I think we have to establish the evidence proving that sugar is harmful before I can disprove it.
>>10287>As for tasting terrible, we agree to disagree.When it reaches smoke point, any oil when reaching smoke point tastes terrible. This is not opinion, it's objectively true.
Cooking with olive oil below smoke point is fine.
>>10372>>10371>>10369Paleo is pretty good but there are some moronic things about the diet
>Seeds oil are bad, because of their polyunsaturated fat content.Then they go and eat a bunch of high-polyunsaturated fat foods like nuts, seeds, pork, poultry, etc.
>Legumes and grains are bad because they've only recently been eaten by humans, aren't nutritionally dense and have loads of antinutrientsThen they go eat a truckload of cruicferious vegetables which contain many antinutrients. (Vegetables aren't bad, they're good if you can't eat dairy
>Sugar is unhealthy! The paleo man didn't eat SUGAR! (Posted from my iPhone)This is just so wrong, humans have been eating high-sugar fruits and honey for a very long time and sugar (in the form of fruits, honey, fruit juice and not overconsumed in absurd amounts) has
never been proven to be harmful. They'll spout a bunch of bullshit about insulin, blah, blah, neglecting to mention that all food spikes insulin. It's ridiculous.
f79db0 No.10737
>>10679>Then they go eat a truckload of cruicferious vegetables which contain many antinutrients. this has been debunked. they only affect you if you have a long term iodine deficiency.
>This is just so wrong, humans have been eating high-sugar fruits and honey for a very long time and sugar (in the form of fruits, honey, fruit juice and not overconsumed in absurd amounts) has never been proven to be harmful. True. mass fruits seems fine.
some old study about that subject with 200g/day fructose in form of fruit :
http://archive.samj.org.za/1971%20VOL%20XLV%20Jan-Jun/Articles/02%20February/3.2%20SOME%20PSYCHOLOGICAL%20EFFECTS%20OF%20A%20MAINLY%20FRUIT%20DIET%20IN%20MAN,%20B.J.%20Meyer,%20M.%20van%20der%20Merwe,%20D.G.%20.pdf c7f107 No.10922
>search for "coconut oil" no results
So guys is it any good or just snake oil in another bottle?
From my experience I have cooked my fathers (who suffers from dementia) food in it and put small amounts in tea/coffee and it seems like he is getting a bit better but I just want some proof.
337113 No.10940
>>5996It's a common misconception that a diet is specifi and strict (keto diet, fish diet, vegan diet, etc.)
But by definition, a diet is just what you eat.
337113 No.10945
>>6417so are hotpockets associated with shills?
337113 No.10948
contributing pics
337113 No.10950
just don't eat bad
stuff
ed2a64 No.10951
>>10922From my experience, it's good for your skin, but it's not something to really obsess over.
>putting it in coffee/tea 337113 No.10954
>>5976OP why the fuck is Coke in your diet
337113 No.10957
don't trust your brain
c7f107 No.10958
>>10951eh, it is strange but it adds a bit of sweetness.
looking at YT videos and articles it is very conflicting just like any other food item.
337113 No.10959
like i always say
make the bread, buy the butter
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392d9b No.10964
>>10954I drink a Mexican coke once a month.
Those fuckers are so good with steak.
337113 No.10968
>>10964Well, moderation is key.
4d00fc No.10969
>>10952You could boil this down to:
1)Make your bed every day
2)Wash your sheets once a week in hot water
The Lysol stuff is absurd. It has ingredients that irritate and possibly make asthma worse. This is just one bothersome ingredient
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alkyl_%28C12-C18%29_dimethylbenzylammonium_chlorideI wouldn't even use that shit in a bathroom, the only cleaning stuff you need in a house is bleach, ammonia, dishsoap, some abrasive.
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337113 No.10982
are rolls allowed if it's for the better?
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21bc8b No.11005
>>10982Challenge accepted and I roll a….
21bc8b No.11007
>>11005>Challenge accepted and I roll a….Push-ups
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1dd913 No.11035
So can we confirm that sugar is to /polpolfit/ as bread is to /fit/?
fdcf3a No.11090
Daily reminder we have a thread on /polarchive/ in dire need of more information
>>>/polarchive/474Anyone have some resources from /baphomet/ other than the shit in the stickies? Would be very useful for the thread>>6143On the infograph, positive for what? Looks a lot like some information is missing on it.
2900a0 No.11170
>>10922Good for cooking with
>>10950>animal rennet is badFuck off
>>10954This is so fucking wrong
00cfcb No.11173
>>11035nutritionally speaking, what do you mean by this term "sugar"
there are complex sugars and simple sugars and different types
sugar is another word for carbohydrate technically
sugar = cane sugar = refined table sugar? that kind sucks
09c9a7 No.11350
>>11173He's probably saying glucose+fructose combinations.
392d9b No.11499
>>10968>Not growing san marzano It's like you enjoy bitter sauce.
c00328 No.11513
>>11499This image is beyond retarded.
00cfcb No.11761
>>11513I've never seen anyone other than shitposters trash the image. It is literally the history of the USA and the "official" adoption of asymmetric warfare.
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449c97 No.12980
>>9528High-fructuose corn syrope is known to cause cancer. What are you implying?
453a77 No.13031
>>12980We're talking about cane sugar, not HFCS.
6c36e8 No.13074
That emerald pill diet is pretty pleb if the end goal is maximizing androgen production
low fat diets are garbage. High sugar just because it comes from fruit is not healthy, and high sugars means chronically high insulin which means hampered sex hormone production.
Carbohydrates are almost always an energy substrate, beyond that they are useless. Fats and proteins (in that order, this new age "everything should be protein" is dumb bullshit propagated by the fitness industry to make people buy expensive shit) should be the focus with carbohydrates supporting intense activity.
The recent capitulation by the AHA and other health "authorities" has demonstrated the demonizing of fats by the medical community for the past 80+ years has been decidedly wrong, and may even have adversely affected peoples health. At any rate, the takeaway is that not only are fats not unhealthy, most types are almost always have positive health benefits.
I'm not a keto fanatic, because keto cultists are retarded and theres no need to be in ketosis 24/7, but the animal fat content of peoples diets needs to come UP and the sugar content needs to go DOWN.
I'm not suggesting carb phobia, but the average person is not an elite athlete. They don't need to be stuffing their face with gigantic amount of sugars/carbs all day long.
We also desperately need to increase the vitamin K in western diet, especially the MK4 form.
In short to get better androgen production: increase vitamin d3 intake (get out into the sun you fucking aspie), increase animal fat intake, lower sugar intake (rule of thumb is eat suitable for what you have done, and what you are about to do), increase intake of olive oil and coconut oil (as in consume the oil, not cook with them), supplement with zinc, boron and vitamin C (or just eat citrus fruits).
Zinc is a potent aromatase inhibitor and a decent 5AR inhibitor at high dosages. DHT is not evil but excessively high DHT or high estradiol are indicative of a, or several, nutrient deficiencies, mostly commonly a lack of zinc.
674cac No.13136
>>13074>high sugars means chronically high insulin which means hampered sex hormone production.Fructose inhibits stimulation of insulin and insulin is not that important, very overblown.
>Carbohydrates are almost always an energy substrate, beyond that they are uselessWOW RLY
>Fats and proteins (in that order, this new age "everything should be protein" is dumb bullshit propagated by the fitness industry to make people buy expensive shit) should be the focus with carbohydrates supporting intense activity. Yea, this is basic nutrition…
>The recent capitulation by the AHA and other health "authorities" has demonstrated the demonizing of fats by the medical community for the past 80+ years has been decidedly wrong, and may even have adversely affected peoples health. At any rate, the takeaway is that not only are fats not unhealthy, most types are almost always have positive health benefits.Saturated fat is still demonized by 99% of mainstream nutrition. PUFA is demonized by none. Mainstream nutrition is a joke.
>the animal fat content of peoples diets needs to come UPNope. The amount of fat REQUIRED is very low, as is the OPTIMAL amount, unless you can provide solid evidence showing that fat should be really high (you can't, by the way, because the evidence doesn't exist).
>They don't need to be stuffing their face with gigantic amount of sugars/carbs all day long.Everybody should be exercising everyday and it's beneficial to lift weights, so if they have the time and money, should be lifting too, under that, most people should be eating lots of sugar+carbs. Even then, living sedentary, it's not like you should be eating no carbs.
>We also desperately need to increase the vitamin K in western diet, especially the MK4 form.First thing I agree with you.
>increase vitamin d3 intakeyes
>increase animal fat intakeNO, you get by far enough from meat+dairy+seafood+eggs.
>lower sugar intakeNO, unless you're not doing anything, you need that energy and sugar has many positive health benefits.
>increase intake of olive oil and coconut oilUh, I can you if you want, like a teaspoon-tablespoon but anything over that is excessive.
There's no solid evidence to back that most of your diet (unless you're keto) should be mostly fats. Generally, carbs (sugar specifically from fruits and fruit juice are best, honey is ok and white sugar the worst) are easier to digest and provide more positive health benefits.
5129f7 No.13138
>>5976>high carbs LeL, trying to keep people on the sugar roller coaster?
May be useful for getting ripped, but will make those trying to lose their obesity hungry. High fat, high protein, mostly carb-phobic, will keep the obese full from breakfast to dinner (skipping lunch)!
It does for my fat ass, and I'm eating less calories thanks to it…
5129f7 No.13139
LoL my last post was relevant to the OP image. The OP text is way more sane…
Carry on!
5129f7 No.13142
>>10969I should add, do NOT mix the bleach and ammonia or you're going to have a very bad time!
3d4a18 No.13231
>>13138What roller coaster?
00cfcb No.13266
>>13138Long term your body functions best on carb rich diet. That doesn't mean that potatoes and white bread are all you should eat. And it specifically means avoiding all modern snack foods that are chocolates candy cookies
00cfcb No.13267
>>13074You need a balance of fats and carbs after 20-25% protein ratio
90g fat = 810 calories
for a 2500 calorie diet with 25% from protein
that leaves 1065 calories for carbs
~42%carbs
~25% protein (its common practice not to count proteins from low quality protein sources such as breads, rice, berries, fruits, veggies)
~32% fat
2900a0 No.13851
Latest version of emerald pill
ae7ba3 No.13859
>>13138
It doesn't. You're just an autist lying to yourself.
Want to get fit? Here:
>Disregard anything /fit/ says. It's useless at best and damaging at worst.
>Make a clear goal (Get better at sports, get strong, get more endurance…) and train towards it
>Your training must be geared towards your goal (eg. if you want a strong punch, do boxing instead of powerlifting as /fit/ would advise). However, if you only train in a functional way, you will sooner or later get muscular imbalances.
>Thus, do unfunctional exercises as few days per week. Bodyweight exercises suffice here, usually. The program doesn't need to be anything scientific, just do a few sets of push ups, dips, etc. (Look up the "On the side" training of Chinese weightlifters, for example).
>Powerlifting is generally bad, especially if you do it /fit/-style, because it's very specialized and doesn't have carry over to sports: Powerlifting is max strength training, while sports usually need speed-strength or strength-endurance.
>Strict form is usually a non-issue, no pro athlete cares, only internet autists care.
>Diet: Eat what does you good. Everyone is different, calorie model is outdated, fad diets are bullshit. When in doubt, train and eat more.
>You will never reach your ideal physique unless you roid more than Arnold did in his prime, deal with it. Your ideal is the reuslt of liberal media programming your brain (Look up what counted as muscular just 20 years ago).
>Most of your time should be spent doing martial arts. A sport that is not applicable to combat is just a waste of time we cannot afford nowadays. What martial art exactly doesn't really matter - what matters is your psychology. A fighter can kill people with a TKD-Aikido mix, while a non-fighter will get beaten up even after decades of training MMA.
Believe it or not, I don't care. If you wanna listen to /fit/ autists instead, be my guest, but don't start crying when it doesn't work. Since you read this post, you cannot say that you didn't know better.
3cbfe6 No.13861
>>13370
My eyes!!!
They burn!!!
>mfw people actually think that looking like that is ok
2900a0 No.13862
>>13859
>Strict form is usually a non-issue, no pro athlete cares, only internet autists care.
Good form is important but "muh purfect form" doesn't matter
>Most of your time should be spent doing martial arts.
Disagreed unless you're planning to get into fights, which is a bad idea, or live in a nigger-filled area, in that case, your time would be better spent earning money and moving the fuck out ASAP.
453a77 No.15067
1ab6e8 No.15073
167cbd No.15103
If you think there is a diet suited for everyone, you are an illusory faggot.