What do you do when you are outnumbered in public and are being shamed for your beliefs? If random people on the street overhear you then ignoring them is easy enough.How about for people that go to academia or get attacked at social gatherings? Is emo

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Anonymous 04/03/15 (Fri) 06:00:00 35244d No.6109

What do you do when you are outnumbered in public and are being shamed for your beliefs? If random people on the street overhear you then ignoring them is easy enough.

How about for people that go to academia or get attacked at social gatherings? Is emotional argument the only response to emotional argument? Most of the time if you start trying to cite facts and figures in oral debate you will encounter a shouting match and people won't just think you won because you remain cool especially if the other person pulled their heart strings the right way.

Anonymous 04/03/15 (Fri) 06:06:09 2de55c No.6117

>>6109
Digestible, easily stated facts punctuated by calmness and assertiveness is your only option.

You can harp on and attempt to reason and be polite with your opposition but when you hold the unpopular opinion like we do your best mode of attack is simple domination.

Be able to quote certain stats, or figures but dont bog yourself down in mindless monologues, appeal to emotion.

Quickfire, short soundbite facts and statements that incite an emotional response will serve you much better in a real world setting. You must be dominant as well, assertive and as confidant as possible.

Only begin to extrapolate and indulge in exposition rhetoric if asked to do so.

Anonymous 04/03/15 (Fri) 07:44:05 7623df No.6171

Never appear as if you care what the other people think about it. It should be easy enough because who here cares about what the bluepilled think about them? The phrase "maintain frame" fits in.

Anonymous 04/03/15 (Fri) 09:31:15 4d3449 No.6222

>>6117
>>6171
This, effectively. Never overreact, and don't give in to emotion or idle threats. You must explain things with clear and concise facts and statements.

Anonymous 04/03/15 (Fri) 10:10:18 e5cba6 No.6239

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>>6117
This. If you're arguing with someone who actively disagrees with you your best bet is to make your points quickly and intelligently.
They will drown out any lengthy argument you try to make. Notice how many far-Left demagogues rely on quick and succinct feel-good "catchphrases" as opposed to reasonable and falsifiable claims. They are the masters of the appeal to emotion and "insightful" brevity is the only language many of them will recognize.
Starting with small nuggets of truth is excellent, but make sure that in the process of making your points you don't give the opponent undue or unearned ground, or they will take that as a sign of weakness and not one of moderation.
As the argument goes on, if your points are good, you may be able to get more time to speak without losing the opposition.

If you're a National Socialist like me, my suggestion is that often the very best option is to remain "on top" of the argument. Be sharp enough to catch a contradiction while at the same time not painting yourself in the corner.

Final suggestion: be intelligent and craft your arguments well, but don't be too wordy. Your arguments needs plenty of meat with little fat.
The use of wordiness is a common trait of the intellectual trickster (as so many Marxists in academia are). Academics circles tend to rely on "big words" to give their argument an undeserved air of intelligence; they will go on about the "kyriarchy" and "cisheteronormativity" and so on.

Anonymous 04/03/15 (Fri) 19:52:53 ac20db No.6575

>>6239
I don't think Karl would condone the use of "cis" culture that is being forced on society.

What I mean is Karl would tell these skittle colored mobsters to go fuck themselves for inciting hate with his manifesto.

So yes I do see contradictions.

Anonymous 04/03/15 (Fri) 20:14:15 4d3449 No.6581

>>6239
Would a good tactic then be to, rather than attempt to convince the opponent, to try and convince and win over the other people by using simple and understandable words? I honestly can imagine practically anyone truly understands those "big words" that they typically throw around.

>>6575
I feel like marxism really died a long time ago, and what we're seeing now is the most demorphed-classical marxist thing that could be out there. It's like its time passed at the end of the 19th Century totally and completely, and now the only people that truly support it are intellectuals who wouldn't be able to take control of it, or what would be classed as 'lumpenproletariat' by Marx. Any honest Marxist should be against sjw and modern feminism.

Anonymous 04/03/15 (Fri) 20:14:39 4d3449 No.6582

>>6581
*can't imagine

Anonymous 04/03/15 (Fri) 20:51:41 ac20db No.6599

>>6581
Well with some of the sjw making there claim to academia, would it be fair to call them something else other than what some bearded man wrote centenary and a half ago. Calling them out on what they call themselves, seriously what political outlet would they adhere to instead of their red banner of feelings?

Anonymous 04/03/15 (Fri) 21:51:46 efc8c0 No.6624

>>6109

when are you attacked for your beliefs? If you are just leave lol

seriously, who even cares if you're "shamed", this isn't highschool. If someone can't handle the fact that you said X or Y about something then who cares. If for whatever reason other people want to gang up on you just leave and go to a better party

also arguing with academia/academics is a useless endeavour, so it's better to just not start shit and not live on campus where they will endlessly bullshit you

Anonymous 04/03/15 (Fri) 22:14:17 cd50ba No.6643

>>6624
>also arguing with academia/academics is a useless endeavour
Any educated person who doesn't see the truth when he's 30 will be lost forever.

Anonymous 04/03/15 (Fri) 22:46:28 18a6a4 No.6677

>>6624
I very much agree with this, I can't really see any situation where it would be a problem to be shamed for my opinions. I have a somewhat necessary public figure to preserve personally so I simply wouldn't be vocal about my opinions (what's the point anyways?) especially not around people who couldn't argue logically, if I did it would be in a controlled environment. If I needed approval, I'd play the debate/political/feels speech game and get them to side with me by pulling the same strings as the other person, but adding a small something, facts or feels depending on the audience, to win at the game they're playing, works pretty easily.

Anonymous 04/04/15 (Sat) 06:55:54 3f7ea5 No.6918

>>6599
"Cultural marxism" is a term that apparently originated with some right wing critics who felt that multiculturalism and political correctness were the Frankfurt School's fault. The FS took a bunch of different theories including Marx's and mixed them together, then extended and twisted them until they bore little resemblance to the original theories. So cultural marxism really doesn't have anything to do with classical marxism. I would call SJWs postmodernist instead. Their arguments seem to come from that school of thought more than from modernist critical theory which came from the FS.

Circuitously reaching the OP'S question, if your opponent is of the postmodern persuasion there is no arguing with them. They have rejected so called metanarratives, including reason. To them all knowledge is a sociocultural construct, and that knowledge is dependent on local frames of reference. In short, it's completely relativistic. Since they've closed themselves into an anti logic box, it's impossible to prove them wrong, or right for that matter. But muh feels is more important than yours so there!

Anonymous 04/04/15 (Sat) 07:12:24 95c5d0 No.6925

>>6918
Someone needs to tell them "fuck your feelings".

Seriously… I'd love to see one chimp out under camera.

Anonymous 04/04/15 (Sat) 12:25:23 45d239 No.7016

>>6918
It doesn't really matter whether you can convince your opponent in a public debate. As you said, it may even be impossible, so what counts is getting the audience on your side. This has the nice side-effect of making shaming no longer viable — without that there isn't much a postmodernist can do.

Keep in mind that postmodernism is only really popular within academic circles, humanities especially. Most people are in fact modernists, so if you get them to fall back to postmodernism directly, you might win a lot of support.

Anonymous 04/04/15 (Sat) 15:39:34 747749 No.7084

I like to test the waters in stuff like cards against humanity. Thank goodness there's a THE JEWS card and a "The degradation of the white race" card.

Anonymous 04/15/15 (Wed) 13:04:49 4b4087 No.12899

First of all, you remain calm. I'm not saying you shouldn't make your point forcefully, just that you need to keep yourself under control.

After that, you stand your ground and make the best case you can for your position. In my experience, this is surprisingly acceptable in most social situations as long as you weren't the one who turned the subject to politics and you use your common sense - but don't try it if there's anyone from your professional life around. /pol/-family views are legally forbidden to anyone employed by any American company bigger than a mom-and-pop operation (they create a "hostile environment").

If you can't argue your case because people are too loud and emotional or because people from your work are around, then withdraw with as much dignity as you can. You don't have to agree with them, and you don't have to put down your own beliefs. Keeping quiet is always an option.

Anonymous 04/15/15 (Wed) 13:43:28 fab683 No.12903

>>6109

The same things the jews did successfully; you lie, manipulate, subverse, search like-minded allies and put ideas into people's heads. You have to raise awareness about the problems today, but not with a sledgehammer method. Also, don't be the right man in the wrong place/with the wrong crowd.

Also, you will always be outnumbered as someone who stands for truth. The ruling elite jews are so rich they can pretty much pay off everyone, keep that in mind.

Anonymous 04/15/15 (Wed) 13:47:36 fab683 No.12904

>>6918
>"Cultural marxism" is a term that apparently originated with some right wing critics who felt that multiculturalism and political correctness were the Frankfurt School's fault. The FS took a bunch of different theories including Marx's and mixed them together, then extended and twisted them until they bore little resemblance to the original theories. So cultural marxism really doesn't have anything to do with classical marxism. I would call SJWs postmodernist instead. Their arguments seem to come from that school of thought more than from modernist critical theory which came from the FS.

Marxism = destruction of society, in short. So cultural marxism is just destruction of a nation's culture (established values like nuclear family, making a honest living and not leeching off the taxpayer, pedophilia being seen as immoral etc.).

It doesn't matter whether you call it cultural marxism or postmodernism; in the end, it's an attack against a nation, it's people and everything that holds a nation together.

Plus it's just a jewish trick to gain power and influence.

Anonymous 05/05/15 (Tue) 12:01:15 952b4d No.14279

>>6109

Can someone post the correct version of this?

Anonymous 05/06/15 (Wed) 15:19:29 f0688b No.14326

>>12899

and that is why real men go into business for themselves instead of slaving for some jew shareholders.

Anonymous 05/06/15 (Wed) 15:20:23 f0688b No.14327

also every /pol/ster needs to read anonymousconservative's blog and book to learn how to handle libs and jews

Anonymous 05/07/15 (Thu) 04:11:12 90a89d No.14349

Being the sole voice for truth isn't a weakness. It's a strength.

When fence sitters see someone asserting a point of view in opposition to everyone around them, they conclude that whatever the opinion, you at least must sincerely believe it. People are aware of the social pressure to conform. Many choose to conform for the sake of social harmony, but that doesn't mean they believe whatever popular lie rules the day.

That is why you must remain steadfast in your opinion. Don't try to accommodate popular nonsense merely because it is popular. If it is wrong, it is wrong.

When a carpenter put forth the proposition that the road to vengeance was never-ending and the only way to achieve true peace is to forgive your enemies, He was mocked by everyone for maintaining such a patently absurd notion.

Now He is King of kings.

Anonymous 05/07/15 (Thu) 04:50:21 cdc824 No.14350

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>>14279

>Can someone post the correct version of this?

Anonymous 05/07/15 (Thu) 14:31:16 9ddbb4 No.14362

>>14350

nice