52d837 No.6270
I used to be a socialist but the past couple have years has soured me on all leftism. I don't really thing national socialism or libertarianism is that feasible, or they haven't interested me much. Neoreactionary is though. But I don't know anything about it, and it seems like a lot of it's proponents are verbose assholes who think writing an essay to tell me something that a paragraph would suffice works.
Anyway tl;dr: Inform me about neo-reactionism. And please let me know where I can find source material that's readable or watchable.
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97589a No.6277
>>6270>neo-reactionismI don't know much about it but the concept sounds interesting based on reading a few definitions of it.
063b5b No.6278
>>6270I haven't been able to really research reactionary and neoreactionary literature, but from what I remember, this is a sum of some of it which was posted on /pol/ near the beginning of the first exodus.
594bc3 No.6282
As far as I know it is an interesting/elitist vein of reactionary trans-humanism and eugenics.
But it has been created and co-opted by jews. Since it blames "the Cathedral" for all the worlds problems, which is intellectualy dishonest.
And even being a small movement it got media attention quite fast, which was… Odd.
Learn from it, but don't fall for the honey-pot it is.
52d837 No.6516
>>6282>But it has been created and co-opted by jews. Since it blames "the Cathedral" for all the worlds problems, which is intellectualy dishonest.Can you elaborate? I don't know what the Cathedral is. Honestly I was always more of an on-and-off /pol/ lurker, so I'm not familiar with a lot of the terminology.
594bc3 No.6517
>>6516Go to the neo-reactionary reddit, they have all you need there.
d1a9af No.6518
How about we add basic info of right wing politics to a sticky so we can do away with all these redpill me on xyz threads?
594bc3 No.6520
5dfb06 No.6531
>>6282
> co-opted by jewsI see no evidence of this, really
>>6516"The Cathedral" is neoreaction's catch-all term for the convergence of academic, press and government influence that effectively forms our ruling class, explained simply. They call it "The Cathedral" because they draw comparisons between the reigning ideology and state religion.
/pol/ is butthurt about it because some vocal neoreactionaries have made it very clear that while jews may have excessive influence within the cathedral, they don't think the cathedral itself is a jewish construct. As in, they don't think the purpose of the cathedral, its be-all end-all, is to defend and advance the interests of Israel, that this is merely one of its many interests. A lot of unintelligent polacks have strong reactions to any theory that doesn't have jews as the main villains.
594bc3 No.6535
>>6531But a lot of it's sponsors/"creators" are jewish. Which is rare for a modern reactionary movement I think.
e670ee No.6537
>>6531>>6535Noone who is antisemitic will ever teach that the Jews are behind everything and that they hold all power, if they did we would all be death.
So the purpose of the cathedral and the neoreactionary movement is to move blame away from the Jews towards WASPs and other traditional white parts of society.
Now, those parts DO hold some blame, BUT the main problem of our modern society is still the Jews. Without Jews, modernity would lose steam much quicker.
The existence of the Jews retards any move towards normalcy by atleast half a century.
8f1277 No.6540
>>6537>Without Jews, modernity would lose steam much quicker.Would it really? People these days are so brainwashed that at this point they can reproduce the degeneracy on their own.
5dfb06 No.6541
>>6535A lot of those accusations of "jew" don't really have a lot of weight to them, honestly. There was clearly a bit of a disinfo campaign going around for a while accusing prominent NRX people of being jewish with very little evidence, and they succeeded at making it a rumor that sticks.
I'm not NRX myself, I think they're better critics than actual advocates of a system, but it's not like their thoughts are exactly hidden from view. The entire movement is basically based around having popular well-written blogs.
>>6537Buddy, WASPs, industrialists and other parts of what, today, constitutes the white "elite" are far, farrrr from what could be called 'traditional.'
And the idea that, because they disagree with you on one point, the ENTIRE MOVEMENT'S PURPOSE must be to "move blame away from the Jews" is just silly.
e670ee No.6544
>>6540>Would it really? People these days are so brainwashed that at this point they can reproduce the degeneracy on their own.Without the Jews, that would lose steam very fast.
>>6541>Buddy, WASPs, industrialists and other parts of what, today, constitutes the white "elite" are far, farrrr from what could be called 'traditional.'I mean traditional as belonging within the tradition of western society, not traditional in being an 18th century country gentlemen.
>And the idea that, because they disagree with you on one point, the ENTIRE MOVEMENT'S PURPOSE must be to "move blame away from the Jews" is just silly.Here you think in error, Jews are powerful and influential, so it completely possible the movement exists to take away stream from use and direct it away from the Jews.
5dfb06 No.6551
>>6544So your idea is that the jews, in order to serve jewish interest, created a far-right, illiberal movement, where people routinely criticize jews and the entire system they've set up, because NRX in general doesn't stick to a strict "The jews are 100 percent responsible" mantra? All this, in order to counter a relatively tiny nationalist group that DOES posit that jews are behind everything, one that is arguably less popular than NRX is to begin with? Is that right?
I hope I don't have to explain to you why this is ridiculous. NRX is not just Moldbug, who is the most conspicuous for having neglected jews, in fact, many in NRX routinely criticize him for it.
e670ee No.6557
>>6551>>So your idea is that the jews, in order to serve jewish interest, created a far-right, illiberal movement, where people routinely criticize jews and the entire system they've set up, because NRX in general doesn't stick to a strict "The jews are 100 percent responsible" mantra? All this, in order to counter a relatively tiny nationalist group that DOES posit that jews are behind everything, one that is arguably less popular than NRX is to begin with? Is that right?I wouldn't say they started it, but yes and that makes perfect sense.
You have to understand the paranoid nature of the Jew who wants to control everything that has something to do with far-right, racial or nationalsocialist organisations.
PS: I wrote that no serious antisemite believes the jews are behind everything, so I don't expect someone to blame every Jew.
134a19 No.6561
I don't really follow neoreaction, but here's a decent blog related to it,
http://www.moreright.net/ and I'd recommend reading Evola, of which the blog has a few essays. Beyond that just google some of the terms, even if they are a bit embarrassing, like Dark Enlightenment.
9934d2 No.6564
>>6561This poster is right
First go to the source of 'reactionary' thought
Evola and De Maistre are good starts
5dfb06 No.6567
>>6557But it doesn't make perfect sense, though. It makes absolutely no sense that they'd invest in something that interested in their political destruction, just to counter an even smaller group interested in their political destruction, because the former blames them slightly less than the latter.
Furthermore, if we're going to say it's the "paranoid nature of the jew", I could easily say that nationalism that puts jews at the center of their rhetoric was created by jews, to create an atmosphere of conspiracy and immature politics around anything concerning criticism of jewish interests. At some point you have to let it go.
134a19 No.6569
>>6561Here's also the Evola essay I was referring to, and some other sites moreright.net linked too, which are probably more focused areas of thought.
http://www.moreright.net/the-two-faces-of-nationalism-essay-by-julius-evola/http://neoreactive.curiaregis.net/http://neorxn.com/Some of this could be kind of shit, I don't really know.
e670ee No.6576
>>6567>>6567>But it doesn't make perfect sense, though. It makes absolutely no sense that they'd invest in something that interested in their political destruction, just to counter an even smaller group interested in their political destruction, because the former blames them slightly less than the latter.It doesn't make sense to me either, but that's the Jewish mentality.
9f96fe No.6646
e670ee No.6649
>>6646>A great collection of introductory neoreactionary text.I expected something heavier. (no sarcasm)
134a19 No.6661
>>6649Yeah, that tends to be the problem people have with neoreactionaries.
9f96fe No.6673
>>6649then just start with carlyle, evola, hoppe, spengler and skip the blogs then. Skim through Moldbug's if anything and grab his primarcy sources, which are top-tier
some people come at this from the HBD angle and would recommend Dysgenics, The 10,000 Year Explosion, A Troublesome Inheritance, etc.
others come from the European New Right and will bring up Archeofuturism, Jonathan Bowden, Nietzche, de Benoist, Junger
there is a traditionalist Catholic element too but I don't know much about what they would have to recommend
e670ee No.6676
>>6673>then just start with carlyle, evola, hoppe, spengler and skip the blogs then. Carlyle - read his book on hero-worship years ago.
Evola - sorta read his Riding the Tiger, I remember finding it boring.
Hoppe - I read some articles by him in the past, not sure what exactly.
Spengler - read the Decline several times.
Jonathan Bowden - not familiar
Nietzche - read several of his books
de Benoist - read him indirectly
Junger - haven't read him, but know him.
5dfb06 No.6687
>>6673Honestly I think Evola is way overhyped
703947 No.6696
Ok let's make something clear now that the NRx shills are here, Curtis Yarvin is a fucking Berkley kike who blames shit on the "Cathedral" (more like the Synagogue) and most of it is reddit-tier garbage. Separate the Evola/Monarchist/Fascist discussion from the "Dark Enlightenment" shill bullshit. "Reactionary" implies the movement is just about reacting to shit instead of being a set of morals/values/systems.
5dfb06 No.6699
>>6696Not even NRx, but this sort of strong reaction against it always puzzled me. Honestly, it's a bunch of young people make some very anti-liberal criticisms of the current system and reaching a wider audience than previous generations of nationalists and far-right folk could have ever dreamed. I don't think we really have the luxury of being picky right now, and reacting so strongly against them just seems awfully myopic to me.
703947 No.6704
>>6699>Honestly, it's a bunch of young people make some very anti-liberal criticismsNo, it's a concerted subversion effort to distract people from the Jews.
>Not even NRx>reaching a wider audience than previous generations of nationalists and far-right folk could have ever dreamedSure.
5dfb06 No.6709
>>6704
> If you like something you must be one of them> Probably the most mainstream movement where criticizing jews is expected and regularly engaged in is distracting people from the jewsI'm getting the impression you're just the far-right version of a hipster.
741bc5 No.6743
>I don't really thing national socialism or libertarianism is that feasible, or they haven't interested me much. Neoreactionary is though.I fail to see how NRx is feasible, yet has never been implemented or even has a coherent theory, yet National Socialism, which built a superpower, isn't.
Read this, and compare and contrast with NRx's refusal to name the debt, interest, commercial banking or, really, anything as having anything to do with Jews.
Everything NRx does, NS does better. Want an enlightened despot? The Fuhrerprinzip is for you. Think a state should control the industries who ensure it's security? NS is for you. Hate banks, unions, the tyranny of large, international business over the small and local? Guess who?
>Inform me about neo-reactionismDivide and conquer kikery, aimed at the euphoric audience to take the heat off of the failures of Atheism as a social movement.
http://www.destroyzionism.com/2014/01/18/jews-race-mixers-homosexuals-heroes-dork-enlightenment/http://age-of-treason.com/tag/mencius-moldbug/http://www.newinternationaloutlook.com/2015/03/02/nationalism-and-nrx/>So, approaching it from a right wing perspective it should be acknowledged that nationalism has no direct genetic grounding.>my sides when I see people believing this filth >>6709>far-rightGet the fuck out faggot, you're a goddamned moron if you think National Socialism is right-wing and, worse yet, believe in a simple left-right dichotomy.
cf2e55 No.6746
>>6282this, everything you pointed out is correct
5220f2 No.6758
Why call it neoreaction? Reaction is reaction, it's happened throughout history.
4e61d7 No.6775
>>6743>Mfw just got done reading "Manifesto for the Abolition of Interest Slavery" earlier todayFantastic read. Do you have any other .pdf files of books that you would recommend?
741bc5 No.6795
>>6775On economics? Not really, but I guess there's Mein Kampf. I've also got the "core" books - Bolshevism from Moses to Lenin, The International Jew and White Power.
I'll dump them if you like.
4e61d7 No.6798
>>6795>I'll dump them if you like.Please do!
80793c No.6800
>>6561Most of neoreaction has moved away from Evola and other traditional reactionaries. They are empirical and reductionist to a fault.
741bc5 No.6806
>>6798>flood detectedMeanwhile on /pol/…
741bc5 No.6809
>>6798It's a shame you can't dump multiple PDFs.
741bc5 No.6810
>>6798Here's some collected writings of the Commander. I think On the Art of Propaganda is especially relevant these days.
4e61d7 No.6813
>>6805>>6806>>6809>>6810Thanks, mate, I wasn't even aware of the misc. writings of George Lincoln Rockwell.
134a19 No.6834
>>6800Damn shame, I like his writing.
d3c6c3 No.6846
>>6810I'm reading "On the Art" right now and there are already dozens of parallels to current times
d3c6c3 No.6854
>>6810>>6846I especially enjoyed his evisceration of comic books. Those comic outrage threads really tired me on /pol/, comics have been the worst of the worst leftist indoctrination forever. There's no reason to make a thread every time some comic character goes gay, it was to be expected.
830906 No.6877
>>6743Is Third Position similar to Natsoc?
972658 No.6878
>>6877natsoc is the original third position
134a19 No.6881
>>6877The core of National Socialism is that they are the third position from a base political level.
741bc5 No.6904
>>6895
>he actually thinks politics is left or right, and that it's impossible for an ideology to simply take the parts that work from both side
Average NRxfag right here, looks like we should start calling it the Kosher Enlightment.
a56c32 No.6935
I did this interview a while ago. We only did one more after it on Fascism.
http://occ-radio.podomatic.com/entry/2014-10-11T16_26_43-07_00If anyone is interested we could start again.
491656 No.6991
>>6270I very much dislike the pretentous neo part and atheists supporting religion because it's a good opium for the.masses, all the ancaps, camerlists, race supremacists, etc. Reactionary.means throne and altar, with scholastics as the main philosophy. I used to to protest against neos using the term reactionary as theit name but in vain. You want reactionary, read De Maistre
8c4411 No.7363
Neoreaction is probably just the most accurate term for the Anglo far Right cultural tradition in its current manifestation.
This is based on a Reaction against Whiggery and Puritanism/Fanaticism. It is different from the German (Spengler), Spanish (Ortega?), Japanese, whathaveyou.
This leads you to some very specific authors: Carlyle (read Chartism or LDP), Maine (Popular Government), Froude, Lecky, Cromer.
Moldbug in his historical sections focuses on these writers intensely and their revival is his contribution in my opinion.
If you read just three books from these authors you will probably understand why this movement is onto something great.
e670ee No.7375
>>7363>It is different from the German (Spengler), Spanish (Ortega?), Japanese, whathaveyou. Fun note, the Dutch personality is Willem Bilderijk and Abraham Kuyper.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willem_Bilderdijkhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham_KuyperThough both are a bit to Calvinist for my taste.
69474a No.7403
If you want to learn more about NRx, I advise you start by listening to the latest Daily Shoah with Nick B. Steves, who runs The Reactivity Palace:
http://therightstuff.biz/2015/03/30/the-daily-shoah-episode-26-an-autistic-double-dose/Nick really helps set up what NRx is and what it isn't: the goal is to be somewhat of a reverse Frankfurt school. NRx is less about policy and more about theory and structure. It's very much an intellectual movement, and hardly a recognizable political one. If you want to learn more, I recommend you check out "Moldbuggery", a guide to Mencius Moldbug, who is considered to be a cornerstone of NRx thought.
>>6537Not exactly. NRx believes that you could gas and oven every single jew in the world and you still wouldn't kill leftism. The real enemy, "The Cathedral" is intangible and abstract. It's a complex made of various memes that trace their roots as far back as the English dissenters of the fifteenth century. My crude explanation of it is here:
https://therightvidya.wordpress.com/2014/10/29/oliver-cromwell-and-the-patriots/>>6561
>Dark EnlightenmentThe most cringe-worthy fedora'd term possible. I blame Bryce.
000000 No.7424
>>7403You forgot to sell the goyim on why this "intellectual movement" is needed, Rabbi, when we have National Socialism which has already proven itself in every sphere.
This is just Libertarianism for the fedora-tipping audience, and has emerged for the same reasons - people who want easy solutions to complex problems, and want to be politically incorrect for the sake of it and can't shake the post-war propaganda.
5dfb06 No.7747
>>7424Nice ID, too bad it's wasted on "AHHH EVERYTHING I DON'T LIKE IS JEWISH" bullshit
b711ad No.7754
>>7747Hover your mouse over the ID, newfag.
How about you lurk more as well.
6f3bef No.7828
>>7424
>national socialism, which has proven itself in every sphereThen why is it not around today? NatSoc was a step in the right direction, but you can't repeat 1933 without 1945.
69474a No.8002
>>7403
>NRx believes that you could gas and oven every single jew in the world and you still wouldn't kill leftism.After some thought, I figured I should follow up on this. The Jews are not innocent. Jews help leftism spread and evolve, since they benefit from it. This is something I think /pol/ is right to do in criticizing NRx- we don't name the Jew and we overlook the role Jews play in liberal memetics. That's why I'm glad guys like the Daily Shoah team exist, since they sort of look at the Jewish question but not through the tired, outdated framework of National Socialism.
d332b9 No.8186
>>7424National Socialism is incompatible with mainstream audiences. This being the case Tradition goes outside of the endless holocaust fervor to create something that could actually be feasible when placed properly.
I'd go as far to say that you are the jew trying to sandbox political outlets into meaningless 20th century ideology.
000000 No.8371
By the way, pretty funny that no one has responded to this
>>6743>>7828Pretty sure it is still around, in the form of the Golden Dawn. But even if it wasn't presently represented, please tell me where NRx is represented?
>>8186>National Socialism is incompatible with mainstream audiencesYou'd be saying the same thing if this was the '20s mate. I'd suggest you read Feder, Hitler and Rockwell if you believe what you're spouting, because not only does NRx have Jews leading you by the nose away from the real problem - economics - it has no solution to the myriad other problems of modern society.
>I'd go as far to say that you are the jew trying to sandbox political outlets into meaningless 20th century ideology.Better "meaningless 20th century ideology" than LARPers who think if they put a(nother) Jew on a throne, he'll be Frederick the Great.
d332b9 No.8775
>>8371I have read the lot and I don't find the case for modernity compelling.
7741d0 No.8800
>>6278>SilmarillionWhat does fantasy have to do with reactionary ideology?
7b3dc4 No.8987
Neoreaction is a fad of disgruntled conservatives and libertarians who want to react to the problems of modernity, but are too drenched in it's trappings to effect any real change. Most of them hold cosmopolitan liberal attitudes, but with a veneer of radical thought and racial awareness.
It's a flash in the pan, like many populist movements.
Traditional, anti-modern, anti-democratic thought in the De Maistre mould is the way to go.
http://www.tfp.org/http://nobility.org/http://www.tradyouth.org/ ce3c5b No.9054
All political ideologies are eventually organized and controlled by sociopaths. Because of this there is only one ideology that everyone in the world follows – follow the sociopath. The result is always the same, those that organize the sheep reap the rewards of status and wealth, and the sheep get fleeced while thinking progress can be made of their efforts.
000000 No.9076
>>8775>I have read the lot and I don't find the case for modernity compelling.On what grounds? Because I sure as hell don't find "Let's Play Austria-Hungary" any more compelling.
0f03c7 No.9082
Have they kicked out Anissimov yet
69474a No.9644
>>8371NRx isn't supposed to be "represented". Is there an official Frankfurt school party? Of course not. The goal of NRx is to provide an intellectual framework for the alternative right/disaffected right. The goal is to study progressive memes, point out why those memes are toxic, and suggest ways to subvert and eventually counter those memes.
The point is, National Socialism failed. Germany was conquered, and NatSoc memes have been virtually eradicated outside small pockets of controlled resistance. A Golden Dawn victory in itself is meaningless- Greece is a country that relies on trade. It can produce very little with its national resources. If it were to use the same economic model that Nazi Germany did, it would fail miserably. And if it tries to remove kebab, it'll be 50 shades of fucked when most of the world starts sanctioning them.
921d11 No.10258
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Check out Based Lee Kuan Yew if you want a man who embodied NRx before it was even codified.
000000 No.10303
>>9644>Is there an official Frankfurt school partyBut nearly every political party is an unofficial Frankfurt school party.
>The goal is to study progressive memes, point out why those memes are toxic, and suggest ways to subvert and eventually counter those memes. Sounds like the same cancer as the Frankfurt School, the very fact that your ideology needs to rely on such underhanded methods shows it's incorrect.
>National Socialism failed. Germany was conqueredBy that logic, Reactionaries failed and Communism was a success. A logical extension of that is that every conquered nation was failed by it's ideology, thus every ideology was a failure.
>controlled resistanceHoly kek, is an NRxfag seriously calling pockets of National Socialism "controlled resistance"? I'll remind that your entire naval-gazing, fedora-tipping movement is run by Jews masquerading as Gentiles and full of degenerates of the very lowest order.
>If it were to use the same economic model that Nazi Germany did, it would fail miserably. And if it tries to remove kebab, it'll be 50 shades of fucked when most of the world starts sanctioning them.For an advent of a movement that prides itself on intellectualism, you sure are an idiot.
NSDAP Germany never achieved autarky, nor did it ever claim to. Autarky was always an ideal to be aspired towards, and never seen as anything but. They survived by cutting out international finance in global trade, by using a barter system which is still in use today with sanctioned countries. Not only that, but they were sanctioned from the start and in a far, far worse situation than Greece currently is.
>>10258>NRxfags need to rely on necrophilia and liestop kek
If anything the man was a very soft fascist, who believed in a mostly free market.
9e660b No.10313
Neoreactionary have some decent ideas. The only problem with the movement is that they focus too strictly on theoretical arguments instead of engaging with the populace by staging demonstrations, nor do they put themselves out there. They concentrate too much on obscure and specific theoretical arguments which makes them ineffective in actually getting their ideas out there through activism.
a2a4db No.10376
>>6935Listened to it and the second part. Much better than I had expected, thank you.
69474a No.10382
>>10303
>But nearly every political party is an unofficial Frankfurt school party.Exactly. Of course, the idea of an "NRx Party" is stupid, as it just grants democracy legitimacy. However, I think before too long we will see groups and movements that use NRx framework.
>Sounds like the same cancer as the Frankfurt School, the very fact that your ideology needs to rely on such underhanded methods shows it's incorrect.Nonsense. Addressing the intangible workings that guide the material world and finding ways to adjust them in order to fix the material world is the most logical, reasonable solution. Liberalism is an intangible, memetic entity. You can't destroy it by focusing on the world of flesh and blood, and you'd be stupid to think that you could.
>By that logic, Reactionaries failed and Communism was a success. A logical extension of that is that every conquered nation was failed by it's ideology, thus every ideology was a failure.But that's exactly true. Whenever a nation is conquered, it is because of some overlooked flaw. Thus, a new version seeks to repair the flaws and be better than the original. National Socialists generally don't get that, and think that if they do the same thing that they did before, they'll somehow get different results.
>Holy kek, is an NRxfag seriously calling pockets of National Socialism "controlled resistance"?Yes, because you are. The general public sees the Swastika or some variant and their programming kicks in. Thus, any Nazi movement in the west short of Golden Dawn only exists as convenient bad guys that people can denounce for the sake of status signaling. Most Nazis make no effort to correct or subvert this programming, and then wonder why they never accomplish anything.
And don't try to tell me that FN is "winning": Marie La Pen refuses to name the Jew or confront the Jew or even stop fucking defending the Jew. And need I remind you of the EDL's embarrassing Zionist element, or that for a while Nick Griffin was actively grooming a Jew to be his replacement?
134a19 No.10391
>>10313One of the Neoreactionary sites just put up an article about that very thing, although the arguments it makes are fairly weak.
http://www.moreright.net/anonymity-and-the-right/I would agree though, Traditionalist movements like ones that have popped up in Britan or central europe are the first step, even if all they they have done is protesting small figureheads of the leftward drift.
e72f16 No.11290
>>6673>traditionalist CatholicI think my favorite traditionalist Catholic blog is Throne and Altar,
http://bonald.wordpress.com/and to a lesser extent the Orthosphere and other blogs linked from Bonald's.
b85681 No.11298
>>10382There are reason you skipped his last two points mister?
a75494 No.11301
>>6278Find a nice region of trees. Bring a book. Go among the trees and find a quiet spot you can sit. Read book. Contemplate your place in this world.
Ah so good to relax.
87f6c6 No.11316
>>6676Spengler and Hoppe are majorly overrated. Bowden did great analysis that makes other people's works accessible, highly recommended.
I am convinced that almost nobody reads Evola, they bail partway through and then namedrop him–his work's very steeped in mysticism that is not going to be truly understood by more than one out of a thousand who even bother to try, and have the prerequisite knowledge. And I would say, even if you understand it, it's not worth much. It sounds cool if you don't know what he's talking about.
87f6c6 No.11321
>>10391First of all, I wouldn't put it past Anissimov if you, and or the poster you're replying to, are Annisimov. Nevertheless, the article is right except for two things:
1. You can only afford to be "out" if you are smart and social enough to cultivate those professional connections that protect you. Not many people can do that.
2. Anonymous crowds accomplish a lot, actually. Things that single individuals and people with identities can't. 4chan /pol/ is probably more responsible for a resurgence of the right in youth than any other source.
To reiterate the right parts, nrx, any movement, do need public, not-anonymous figures.
b711ad No.11323
>>11316>I am convinced that almost nobody reads Evola, they bail partway through and then namedrop him–his work's very steeped in mysticism that is not going to be truly understood by more than one out of a thousand who even bother to try, and have the prerequisite knowledge. And I would say, even if you understand it, it's not worth much. It sounds cool if you don't know what he's talking about.I am reading Ride the Tiger and I have to agree with this notion. Granted I have not finished the book, but so far it is pretty tough read and he hasn't said all that much apart from meta analysis (yet).
87f6c6 No.11324
>>7403>the goal is to be somewhat of a reverse Frankfurt school.This is kind of a new meme going around, I didn't see anything like this until very recently. I don't blame the grand poobahs for throwing ideas at the wall to see what sticks with the proles (the idea of being in a sekret kounterkulture klub is pretty cool) but I think the best work that comes out of nrx is analysis of the flaws of modernity, and creating models of reactionary principles that can be applied to today rather than trying to reverse time. It's an admission that we've degenerated so far that we need to get back to basics of how to understand the real social and political world so we can even hope to advance. Sad, but it's honestly where we are. imo nrx should be about laying groundwork, it is premature to work on "taking power." It is beyond obvious that nobody in the movement is "worthy" and would be immediately destroyed if they were considered any kind of threat to the social order.
Focus on creating the replacement culture and you will take power naturally when the current order collapses on itself.
e869fe No.11332
>>11324Yeah but some prominent nrx figures endorse fighting the memes with trash like logical positivism and call themselves reactionary in the same sentence. You know what's the antithesis of modernism? Scholasticism. Do leaders the nrx care about it? No, they fap to wittgenstein. Their philosophy is totally without a solid anti modernist base.
000000 No.11333
>>10382>You can't destroy it by focusing on the world of flesh and blood, and you'd be stupid to think that you could.On the contrary, it's very simple. You burn books and propagandise people like Hitler did.
>Thus, a new version seeks to repair the flaws and be better than the original.And NRx is idealised reaction mixed with modern day liberalism, two ideologies which failed in every area. The idea that National Socialism failed Germany is farcical, Germany only got to where it was through National Socialism and failed because of military mistakes and bad luck.
>Yes, because you are. The general public sees the Swastika or some variant and their programming kicks in. Thus, any Nazi movement in the west short of Golden Dawn only exists as convenient bad guys that people can denounce for the sake of status signaling.Twenty years ago, the Golden Dawn were in that exact same situation.
>And don't try to tell me that FN is "winning": Marie La Pen refuses to name the Jew or confront the Jew or even stop fucking defending the Jew. And need I remind you of the EDL's embarrassing Zionist element, or that for a while Nick Griffin was actively grooming a Jew to be his replacement?Need I remind you that none of those are NatSoc parties? All you're doing is showing that you are the ignorant one, unable to "correct or subvert this programming".
This is fallacy after fallacy and you can't even stick to a consistent position - you're willfully ignorant that all unorthodox ideologies, yes even NRx, are regarded as analogous to Nazism; equating Nationalist parties with National Socialism in absense of an example of your theories and claiming that those parties are Jew-run. The hypocrisy astounds.
334f85 No.11337
The pic is a little outdated, but running a search on some of these names will turn up some leads, OP
87f6c6 No.11338
>>11332I am not nrx but I agree with you on scholasticism to a large degree. But I think you can't deny empiricism, you just need to know what things it's not appropriate to aply it to.
e869fe No.11341
Scholasticism is empiricism it's just not relativistic, it says a wine glass is a wine glass even if you use it as an ashtray. Phenomenalists will tell you that an object is.what you want it to be, which is pure relativism. Last time I checked the nrx operated on relativism.
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0f03c7 No.11681
>>11332Who in NRx endorses logical positivism?
Wittgenstein wasn't a logical positivist btw.
0f03c7 No.11682
>>11338>>11342What do you think empiricism is?
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>>11681>>11682
>using your shitty trip outside of your containment thread 0f03c7 No.11686
>>11684Can't be bothered taking it off just to satisfy your petty whims.
>pissing and moaning instead of contributing to discussion.Excellent post.
a75494 No.11691
>>6270>I used to be a socialist but the past couple have years has soured me on all leftism. Leftism as I understand it is more than socialist or communist or even collectivist. It is a false left right paradigm that says that EVERYONE that has a better life than others doesn't deserve it and either they or their parents and friends intentionally and brutally exploited people to get their riches.
It is a disease that not only wants equality but it hates success. That is why it fails.
Being socialist or communist alone doesn't make you a leftist.
In fact I've read (on pol) a post that hypothesized that in modern politics you have to necessarily be all talk to be a leftist, since they denounce violence (unless its the cops beating the shit out of gun owners).
0f03c7 No.11693
>>11691Kaczynski's analysis of leftism in 'Industrial Society…' along these lines is masterful. Definitely recommend it to anyone who hasn't already read it.
69474a No.12462
>>11321I've talked with Mike enough to know that this wouldn't be him: his autism is too strong for him to post and not say it's him.
>>11324
>I think the best work that comes out of nrx is analysis of the flaws of modernity, and creating models of reactionary principles that can be applied to today rather than trying to reverse timeThat's what I meant. The "reverse" wasn't literal.
>imo nrx should be about laying groundwork, it is premature to work on "taking power."That's what Bryce is trying to do, and Mike to a lesser extent. My goal isn't to really "take power" but simply find ways to undermine and weaken the present power structure while empowering alternatives.
>Focus on creating the replacement culture and you will take power naturally when the current order collapses on itself.This is a basic point that Moldbug argued and I'm surprised how many people forget it. He even points out that capitalism didn't kill communism, communism killed itself and the people flocked to capitalism hoping for something better.
>>11337Purge Roosh and Captain Capitalism from that orange section, I'm pretty sure the Return of Kings crew has been formally excommunicated.
334f4c No.12481
>>10391>http://www.moreright.net/anonymity-and-the-right/>you should out yourself as a sexist racist>uses examples of people who lost their careers for a single mildly racist or sexist remark>somebody must take the risk of soiling their good name!>t. someone who has already been outed and has nothing to lose>brings up prisoner's dilemma, then suggests defecting even though opponent is untrustworthy>we should give more status and respect to people who use their real name!>[like me!] 00f324 No.12502
>>11691The scale of left to right correlating with more state control or collectivism towards less state control and greater individual independence is a real one.
It doesn't tell the whole story, but no scale or graph will ever tell the whole story as to something as complex as one's political views. But, philosophically speaking, it is a real concept that often gets to the very heart of one's view of the role of the state and the relationship between state and individual and can often, very neatly, group people together who have very similar views on a wide range of issues thanks to where they stand in relation to that scale, as many political issues, at the very core, can be broken down to one's belief in the role of the state or whether or not the state has the legitimate authority to perform some action at the expense of the individual.
I'm tired of seeing this idea that it's a "false paradigm" or a lie. It's not a perfect, it's one of the many tools people use to categorize people politically. It certainly is far from encapsulating everything, but, philosophically speaking, it is very real concept.
334f4c No.13007
Yesterday I saw a link either here or on /pol/ to a an Amazon book called something like "Surviving Modern Liberal America". I think it was published in 2013 and had 4 stars on Amazon.
Does anyone know what book this is?
b85681 No.13038
>>11316I've read Evola and I have to agree with you, it's always weird seeing people quote him to try to support a right-wing revolution when from what I gathered he thought that Tradition could only be restored through the calamitous end of the Kali Yuga.