0a42e1 No.7679
General redpills regarding the Holocaust that are inconvenient to established claims:
1. No papertrail is known to exist regarding the order to commit genocide.
2. Alfred Rosenberg, commander of the German military holdings in the East, is suspect number 1 in the case of the Holocaust. Rosenberg was tried and found guilty for the crime of genocide at the Nuremburg trials. He was sentenced to death. If there is any single individual who not only knew of the Vernichtung but also was actively involved in the day-to-day operation of it, it's Rosenberg. Rosenberg's diary was found and authenticated in 2013 and not a single mention of the Holocaust or gas chambers is contained within.
3. The British cracked German communications prior to the Red Army reaching the supposed death camps and yet no messages within British intelligence suggests knowledge of any mass killings
4. The Nuremburg confessions were squeezed out through torture in the so-called "London Cage". Julius Streicher, editor-in-chief of "Der Stürmer" objected to the torture in court but had his objection stricken from the record. The recording still contains his objections.
5. Many of the "confessions" and witness testimonies regarding the Holocaust are rife with irreconcilable inconsistencies which were not picked up by the defense nor the prosecution. Examples include Rudolf Hoess (not Hess) awkwardly claiming that his soldiers smoked as they removed gassed corpses. This is a clear fabrication as Zyklon B is explosive, especially in the quantities necessary to kill a human being.
6. The "death" camps were entirely behind the Iron Curtain during the Cold War, and it is in fact false to assume that they were scientifically studied.
Anybody else got some dank redpills regarding the Holohoax?
a167f2 No.7684
>>7679It does not matter if they killed 6 million, 4 million, 2 million, or just a single jew. Jews died, Hitler is bad and you will give free shit and debt money to Israel. The only way of being safe from their propaganda is to not give a single shit about their crocodile tears and propaganda.
0a42e1 No.7689
>>7684I've been looking for that picture and the name of that book. Thanks.
ccd743 No.7701
6 million or 6 billion. If one thing rings true, its that we didn't gas enough of them.
6f1471 No.7808
>>7684This.
Even if we managed to bring about the truth and forced them all to admit that the camps were directly affected by bombing, they would still scream nazis.
The time is coming, and force will be useful.
9f6efd No.7811
>>7679Give some citations.
cde87c No.7816
0a42e1 No.7824
>>7811On #1: Historical fact. Not a single written order regarding the Holocaust has been put forth. Revisionist historian David Irving has offered 1,000 GBP for anyone who can produce this document. Even lead Holohoax researcher Elie Wiesel now does not believe Hitler gave the order.
2. Rosenberg's diary is on the USHMM website. [1]
3. Again, historical fact. British decryption efforts are now well known and were code-named "Ultra". We also know (and it stands to reason) that they kept a close eye on the Eastern front in an effort to assist the Soviet.
4. Again, the existence of the London Cage is an attestable historical fact. Regarding tortures within the London Cage and tortures committed by the Allies against the Germans, the MI5 in 1957 published a heavily redacted manuscript freely admitting to torture yet shifting the blame to the command of one Alexander Scotland. Scotland, who was writing his memoir entitled "London Cage" was pressured by the MI5 to not publish. When he refused, they preempted him by admitting to the tortures. [2]
5. HCN is, in fact, explosive according to the CDC. [3]
6. Fact. It would be spoonfeeding to elaborate.
Sources:
1:
http://www.ushmm.org/information/exhibitions/online-features/special-focus/the-alfred-rosenberg-diary2.
http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2005/nov/12/secondworldwar.world3.
http://www.cdc.gov/niosh/npg/npgd0333.html 819f00 No.7825
I have a bunch of info graphs I can post later today if you want them.
0a42e1 No.7827
>>7825I would greatly appreciate it. I'm on a personal mission to write the mother of all revisionist redpills and I would love to have as much information as I can get.
9f6efd No.7830
>>7816So here's the problem, I don't know which of those sites I can trust and want to avoid propaganda.
I did look up about the torturing before you linked that though, and it seems to be real. Pretty disgusting that they'd do that.
>>The Tribunal shall not be bound by technical rules of evidence. It shall adopt and apply to the greatest possible extent expeditious and nontechnical procedure, and shall admit any evidence which it deems to be of probative value.Seems pretty damning too, but not that much by itself.
As for the people who pretended to be victims, that doesn't mean EVERYONE is. Of course, it may mean a lot of what is said is a lie if it came only from those individuals.
Instead of a link with a bunch of other links, more personalized ones would be better.
>>7824Much better. Can you elaborate on the importance of HCN? I assume that is what they claimed was used in the gas chambers.
I don't sure how that is relevant unless they were letting them walk in with lit torches or something.
0a42e1 No.7833
>>7830HCN is Hydrogen Cyanide, the chemical compound contained within Zyklon B, which was primarily used as a delousing agent. The Germans who operated the camp maintained that the camps, the shavings, and the stockpiles of Zyklon B were to prevent a Typhus outbreak, as Typhus can be spread by lice.
The relevance is that:
A) The amount of Zyklon B required to kill a human being (let alone a group of human beings) is naturally higher than that necessary to delouse a person.
B) I was attempting to imply that Hoess' confession of smoking around the bodies, which was oddly placed, was a tacit attempt at falsifying his own testimony, which was apparently gotten through torture. Smoking around corpses laced with high concentrations of an explosive chemical seems to be an unnecessarily great hazard.
9f6efd No.7840
>>7833That makes sense, thanks.
0a42e1 No.7842
I would also like to point out trouble I'm having with the numbers.
The official estimate is 6,000,000 Jewish dead.
Add this to the number of Jews who fled German occupied Europe between '33 and '41, which was around 390,000 [1] and you get 6,390,000.
Add this to the 640,000 who received Holocaust reparations money (with an additional 30,000 extra claimants [3]), and you get 7,430,000-7,460,000 Jews in German occupied Europe.
I've not yet seen a pre-war estimate that comes close to that number.
Sources:
1:
http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=100054702:
http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/2195023?sid=21105889549271&uid=3737976&uid=2&uid=43.
http://www.haaretz.com/news/israel-to-seek-another-1b-euros-holocaust-in-reparations-from-germany-1.1739 cde87c No.7860
>>7842It's a total bullshit number, and not the first time they've used it. 6 million is a digit with some rabbinical fascination for the world of jewry.
0a42e1 No.7863
>>7860I originally had never gone in for the "6 is a magic Jewish number bit" but even I started to admit how odd it is that it keeps cropping up.
For example in researching some of these points I found that Israel demanded exactly 6 billion in reparations from Germany.
cde87c No.7868
>>7863http://semiticcontroversies.blogspot.ca/2012/07/origin-of-6-million-jews-figure.htmlHere's a link that goes more into detail and explains why they're so obsessed with it. Apparently the rabbis have something called a Guzma, which means an exaggerated tale to make a point, and six bajillion is one of their favorite numbers.
0a42e1 No.7872
>>7830>As for the people who pretended to be victims, that doesn't mean EVERYONE is. Of course, it may mean a lot of what is said is a lie if it came only from those individuals. Just a quick point: I don't think there's a single revisionist who doesn't believe the Jews were interned and treated poorly (even executed in cases of disorder) by the Germans. Jews died in the camps, that much is certain, whether by disease, Allied bombings, or mistreatment. The main issue lies in the idea of a systematic and organized attempt at a "Vernichtung" with intent to kill as well as the number of Jewish dead.
I'd estimate approximately no more than three to five thousand Jewish causalities in the camp system. These were largely due to disease, perhaps the Typhus outbreak the Germans were worried about got loose (in which case it is ironic to say that the Jews might have lived if the Germans used more Zyklon B).
The unabashed truth seems to be that, at least, the Holocaust was Red Army atrocity propaganda that got well out of hand and entrenched by Israel's whining. It then cemented in the public consciousness through the Cold War's Iron Curtain and drummed up by people desiring to polemicize against Voelkisch ideology and Nationalism in general.
0a42e1 No.7878
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>>7872three to five hundred thousand* (Based on David Irving's estimates).
In the end, the Holohoax is excellent food for thought but I'll admit little can come from revisionism for the time being. National Socialism needs to be presented sensibly again first. I'm doing my part on that front as well.
596540 No.7893
>>7863http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incidentIn May 1968, the Israeli government paid US$3,323,500 (US$22.5 million 2015) in compensation to the families of the 34 men killed in the attack. In March 1969, Israel paid a further $3,566,457 to the men who had been wounded. On 18 December 1980, it agreed to pay $6 million as settlement for the final U.S. bill of $17,132,709 for material damage to the Liberty herself plus 13 years' interest.
> $6 million as settlement for the final U.S. bill of $17,132,709 a288c9 No.7911
>>7833In response to (A), they weren't even delousing them directly, they used soap and water for the people, but zyklon fumigation for their clothing.
819f00 No.8015
Okay. I'm still a little busy, but I'll start dumping on and off. Some of it is factual, some of it is poking fun at ridiculous claims relating to the holocaust. Take whatever you want, I'm just dumping the folder.
0a42e1 No.8046
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Thanks a million, saving the shit out of these
819f00 No.8047
>>8046That's actually all I have. I was going to dump until I got the flood message, but it never came up. Not sure if that's an option the board owner enabled, but it was really nice to be able to post more than 3 pictures.
0a42e1 No.8048
>>8047Regardless, I appreciate it. Take care.
cde87c No.8056
I have a few, will start posting now
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That's all folks
a1fe2c No.8092
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>>8068More regarding the phony 11 million figure
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0a42e1 No.8163
>>7842A little more info on "survivors":
The numbers I had given regarding those who received Holocaust pensions only rely on Israeli numbers.
According to a Holocaust Historiography project article dated September 1st, 1997, there about 900,000 Holocaust survivors in that year, Author Carl O. Nording extrapolates from this number and arrives at a little over 3,000,000 "survivor" Jews in 1945.
This estimate alters my 7,460,000 figure considerably.
That offers an approximate figure of 9,400,000 Jews in German Europe. This number is unbelievably high.
Eventually I will work out what sort of percentage of suspected Jew population this would be for the nations under the Third Reich.
http://www.historiography-project.com/misc/19970901survivors.php d67804 No.8498
- The Holocaust is the only historical event where questioning or revising the narrative can land you in jail in several European countries.
- The official death toll at Auschwitz was regarded by historians to be 4 million for decades; in the 90s it was SLASHED to 1.1~1.5 million. (Of course the 6 million total death toll was never changed accordingly). This can be seen on Wikipedia regarding the Auschwitz death toll.
- Some of the more popuoar atrocities like lamp shades from skin and soap from human fat have been conclusively debunked by historians and found to be wild claims from the Nuremberg Trials or Denazification.
- At Ernst Zundel's Holocaust trial in 1985, Raul Hilberg, one of the foremost authors on the Holocaust (see Wikipedia), could not produce a single report that the gas chambers existed when asked.
Sorry for no links/sources, on my phone.
>>7679Interesting stuff OP
Any links/sources on your comments though, to facilitate anons confirming all of it?
d67804 No.8501
>>7860You can also search "6,000,000 jews" or "six million jews" in the Library of Congress Digital Newspapers Archive to see those directly, fyi.
1bf34e No.8573
>>8024Mensch is a German word meaning Human. Über means Over, as in above or beyond something.
So literally translated, Übermensch is Overhuman or more correctly Superman.
There is no such thing as a "Jewish" language, what you are talking about is Yiddish which was the widest spoken language among Jews which was a dialect of German written in Hebrew script. Hebrew was originally the language of the Jews but it had been functionally extinct for over a thousands of years by the time of its revival by the state of Israel. The most widely spoken language among Jews in this day and age is English, depending on your definition of a Jew.
1bf34e No.8579
>>8040Now I could sort of buy that there was a large increase in Jews between 1882 and 1914 but how does this number rise steadily during the war at greater rate than today and then take a sharp upturn during the depression?
Sumthin ain't right.
1e473e No.8582
>>8579many fled to israel
f58a53 No.8587
>>784211 million according to the Nazis.
108695 No.8600
>>8587That's because it includes the USSR and other countries not even occupied by Germany (B), you fucking idiot.
4,5 Million is the number that chart gives.
1bf34e No.8624
>>8582Oh, I forgot, Israel is in space, "world jewish population" threw me off.
1bf34e No.8628
>>8587>Estland - judenfrei-Good for them.
f58a53 No.8742
>>8600The Holocaust is bigger than Germany right? And they invaded Ukraine which had the most Jews in the USSR.
So that still leaves 9 million of which 5.7 million are supposed to be murdered.
There goes one argument.
3ea662 No.9251
>>7684Is there a english/german translation of that book? If yes gib PDF pls
2e0a6f No.9259
>>9251English to French takes 650 hours of intensive study. It's not very hard and you should take the time to learn it. Here is the French for anyone else who wants to read it:
(FR)
https://archive.org/details/RogerDommerguePolaccoDeMenasce-AuschwitzLeSilenceDeHeidegger 3ea662 No.9270
>>9259
>excepting me to take 650 hours of intense french learning course>its not very hard! :^)>for one fucking bookis dis nigga serious?
I might as well just tell that the holocau$t is real :^) I guess I read something about jews and Bolshevism instead.
And there is already a english version of it
http://www.cornellpress.cornell.edu/book/?GCOI=80140100983680so I guess I need to wait thill somebody gets a copy of this book and makes a PDF version of it. Scans should work too aslong it is readable then I would type all that stuff myself then.
e97f6d No.9285
>>7701>>8479>Two posts>One about "we didn't gas enough jews", one acknowledging the holocaust as a hoax.Protip: any NatSoc person who actually knows that the holocaust didn't happen should have the intelligence to stop incriminating himself with Jew-gassing jokes.
2e0a6f No.9298
>>9270That's a different book.
You don't need a paid course per se. French is simple enough to be self-taught. If you read often then it's worth investing the time.
d440cf No.9415
>>9270If you have the interest in learning, it can be simple enough. It's just a matter of dedication and constant study rather than anything else. Plus it opens another door for you to read even more books on many topics if you wish to do so (originals and untranslated versions are always the best - say, i'm considering learning german exclusively to be able to go thorugh original Third Reich and WW2 material without having to rely on a translator).
cc2cab No.11162
Ok, let's look at this with what we know.
Everyone in agreement with these statements? I don't think there can be much argument with the following:
1. Hitler hated the Jews and wanted them out of Germany
2. The Nazi party made a policy that some humans were superior to others and that the lesser being should cease to exist.
3. Germany passed laws stripping jews of human rights, citizenship, and organized boycots of jewish businesses and harassed those who patronized such places.
4. Germany prosecuted Jews through arrests, confinement in camps, and used physical force and intimidation and overlooked crimes commited against jews
5. Hitler in his Reichstag speech in January 30, 1939 (see text here:
http://comicism.tripod.com/390130.html or see excerpt on youtube:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWx7nq_lnQM) That is German was lead into another world war it would end with "the annihilation of the Jewish race in Europe!"
6. War breaks out in the Eastern front and millions of Jews and other others are concentrated in Ghettos with little access to food and starvation is the result.
7. Special Einsatzgruppen troops come in behind the main army in conquered towns and commit mass atrocities.
8. Special camps are built and Jews and other people by the millions are relocated to these camps.
9. After the war tens of thousands of emaciated survivors of these camps are liberated.
10. Mass graves are found throughout eastern europe, rotting starved bodies are discovered left out in the open in these camps.
11. Confessions, diary entries, photographs, videos, eyewitness testimony, and 40 tons of seized German military/government documents claim that systematic mass extermination of millions of people occurred.
Everyone in agreement so far of these points?
How could a rational person who clearly sees that the Nazis 1) hated the jews, 2) prosecuted the jews, 3) had a leader who said that he would annihilated the jews 4) forced Jews into camps/ghettos 5) comitted mass atrocities outside of these camps, and 6) found evidence that genocide occurred in these camps come to any other conclusion than what is what is written after 70 years of research is true?
Please enlighten me.
9aa864 No.11165
>>111621. because they tried to foment a communist revolution, and sold out Germany in the aftermath of WWI
2. no
3. no. That was the SA that was purged by Hitler for inappropriate conduct.
4. Yes, because they had tried to foment a communist coup and take over Germany.
5. Do you speak german? My guess is no.
6. German prisoners in the US also would've starved if the US had its supply lines cut
7. lol, no. I bet you believe in the gas-trucks too.
8. Just like in every other country in WWII holding political prisoners. It was not only jews being held.
9. Yes, emaciated from a typhoid outbreak and lack of supplies.
10. no, this is a lie
11. No, there are no documents proving such.
8740c6 No.11312
>>11311
Fuck off nigger
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9997b3 No.11495
>>11162Did you literally started posting on /pol/ yesterday?
eee985 No.11505
>>11162some correction
:^) 78dbaa No.11897
>>11515>>11495>>11494So zero debate? Can't post your opinion without any infographics?
39089a No.11929
>>11897You appear to have some difficulty with your eyesight, probably due to millenia of inbreeding. This post
>>11165 directly addressed the claims made and did so with the use of an infographic.
I recommend you visit your optometrist.
39089a No.11931
>>11929*without
I appear to need some sleep!
cde87c No.11952
>>11494>>11495>>11515It's a copy-paste from some idiot on news+, just ignore it.
b5be0d No.16626