b08cbe No.8693
There wasn't a thread on it here, so let's discuss
JADE HELM 15
> speaking to my pops earlier> gets all his 'news' from cable tv> mention Jade Helm> wut?> tell him some of the details, doesn't seem pleased by the notion> later…> /pol/ catalog> ctrl+f: Jade Helm> No results foundLet's fix that, shall we?
What is Jade Helm 15?
What is its purpose(s)?
Where is it taking place?
Who will be involved?
Does the timing - July to September - strike anyone as rather… fitting?
> http://www.donotlink.com/efxm> http://www.thecommonsenseshow.com/2015/04/04/clear-signs-that-jade-helm-15-is-going-live/> Jade Helm officially extended from seven states - California, Nevada, Utah, Colorado, Arizona, New Mexico, Texas - to include several more, including Florida> Michigan National Guard notified of July 15th active duty status for 'disaster drills'
> http://www.donotlink.com/efxo> http://chuckbaldwinlive.com/Articles/tabid/109/ID/3304/Operation-Jade-Helm-Should-We-Be-Worried.aspx> For the first time in U.S. history, we have U.S. Northern Command (NORTHCOM), a full active military division (3rd Infantry Division) assigned to the Continental United States. We have the Department of Homeland Security (DHS), which has turned our local and State police agencies into miniature military units, and has armed them with all sorts of military weaponry and equipment–including some of the most sophisticated intelligence-gathering equipment in the world.> The Patriot Act, the Military Commissions Act, NDAA, etc., authorize the federal government to basically treat the U.S. citizenry as "enemy combatants." As far as the passage of these laws is concerned, we Americans have already lost our right to trial by jury, habeas corpus, the right to have an attorney, the right to a speedy trial, the right to be secure in our persons, houses, effects, etc. Martial Law may not be the experience of most U.S. citizens YET, but understand that the laws are already in place for such an event.
> http://www.donotlink.com/efxq> http://www.naturalnews.com/049233_Jade_Helm_15_US_patriots_counter-surveillance.html> In response to these covert domestic military exercises, activists have launched a Facebook page titled "Counter Jade Helm Exercises" that is hosted by Pete Lanteri, former president of Icon Tactical Industries.> "Since the military wants to infiltrate our towns for practice, then We the Patriots should use this as a counter surveillance exercise!!" states the page's description. "I'm calling on Militias and other Patriot groups to counter this exercise with surveillance of the military's attempt to infiltrate US towns!" > Citizens concerned with increased domestic military activity can join the Facebook group to get involved in the counter-surveillance exercises and help safeguard our liberties.> honeypot.gif?> "JH is a challenging eight-week joint military and interagency (IA) Unconventional Warfare (UW) exercise conducted throughout Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, California, Nevada, Utah and Colorado," says the PowerPoint proposal, adding that its aim is "to improve the Special Operations Forces' UW capability as part of the National Security Strategy." 3091f9 No.8695
>>8693Strange kike conspiricy and old/pol/ prediction
ae1efc No.8696
I'll post the same thing I posted in the /pol/ one
I am stationed in the home of special horses and have met many many special forces. I agree when he says most SF wouldn't turn on Americans. They are very patriotic, and they aren't stupid.
Also I am working in an area where SF comes through nonstop and haven't seen a change in their demeanor
I do not believe this is anything near as bad as what people say
3091f9 No.8698
Probaby not, but we cannot assume that all Special Forces are ready to sacrafice their careers to protect American values. My father was a Marine, and based on what he's told me about the military in general, if you don't lick every boot you see than you won't progress. Just saying, most speshul forses won't give a shit about some civie when they can get a promotion for killing them.
ae1efc No.8700
>>8698That is false for every SF I've ever met. They pick a hard job. They're in training for 2 years for that job. Do you honestly believe getting a promotion is what's important to them? If that were the case they'd have become a cook and got instant promotions because their job is so shitty
Most sf I met are great people
3091f9 No.8701
3091f9 No.8702
>>8700I never said all Special Forces are bad, I just said that we cannot assume all of them have our intrests in mind.
ae1efc No.8703
>>8698>>8700Forgot to add. They picked one of the most dangerous jobs in the military. Their life is in danger more than most other MOS. Most of them join for patriotic reasons or at least say so, and have very conservative and patriotic views. If they just cared about a paycheck or a promotion they would not be sf
ae1efc No.8704
112a10 No.8740
One thing I'd like to add is that we should look at this from a persepective of conditioning and psyop.
As many people have pointed out in the thread, USAF (in particular SF units) tend to be patriotic and home-grown. They mostly believe in and support the constitution
I posit that exercises like this are meant to condition all armed forces into a nueteal mindset of engaging what appear to be civilian targets. This has already happened to a certain extent due to the way we operated in the Middle East. The operations also serve as a way to sniff out dissenters within the ranks. If normal shitheads on pop are troubled about this and want to make noise, you can be damn sure that people who take their oaths to the constitution seriously will also be makin noise in the ranks. These people are then targeted for demotion, reassignment, smear campaigns, and any other tactics that will nuetralize the influence they have over other members of the forces.
TL;DR: these operations serve to condition the citizenry to martial law, BUT ALSO TO BUILD A MILITARY UNIT WILLING TO ENFORCE THAT LAW WITHOUT QUESTION
0ae31a No.8749
>>8740So… be nice to the soldiers and voice your concerns?
Treat it like a hostage situation and show your humanity as much as possible for sympathy?
d58e07 No.8755
>>8749The military has always had the issue of trying to bridge the gap of having their soldiers fire upon their own people if necessary. Figuring out to remind them of their humanity is key to ruining whatever programming that may be intended/desired.
ae1efc No.8847
>>8740That is a good point, and I could see it being used like that
ae1efc No.8848
>>8749It's likely you won't even notice the soldiers. I hope not because all of my family still lives in texas
c63f54 No.8884
>>8696I'm going to have to disagree on two fronts. The first "the military/special forced are so patriotic they'd never do anything to its citizens" idea. The military may be mostly patriotic, but they're also dumb as fuck. How many no knock raid cops do you think think they're actually helping? The higher ups would convince them that the citizens they're ordered to turn their guns on are some sort of terrorist. Also it's not the same military it was. They keep letting in dumber and dumber motherfucker in addition to women and minorities that can't help but be progressive first and human beings second.
>I do not believe this is anything near as bad as what people sayThis is not the world we live in anymore.
a06767 No.8897
>>8884>This is not the world we live in anymore.yeah… "I do not believe this is anything near as bad as what people say" is an insidious idea, because it means no matter how bad reality is, you can convince yourself its not.
a715fe No.8907
>>8693TLDR
JADE HELM
>best goyim police units trained to fight civlians to bypass posse comitatus b5626f No.9135
>>8749I think this could certainly help your odds in an actual martial law situation. However the point I made in the previous post counteracts this sort of strategy.
Jade Helm, in my opinion, is more about dehumanizing the policing forces than anything. The ultimate goal being to find the people who WANT to execute civilians and promote them, while also eliminating from the ranks those who wish to defend individual liberty and the principles of our Constitution. It's basically a screening exercise for the military.
They may also be training for urban warfare abroad. We aren't very popular in countries we normally run these exercises in thanks to the Obama administrations foreign policy disasters.
c93bf6 No.9822
>>9135>They may also be training for urban warfare abroad. We aren't very popular in countries we normally run these exercises in thanks to the Obama administrations foreign policy disastersThis. I'm not getting paranoid about JH, it's most likely an issue of lack of places to run large scale exercises. If you've never seen a big exercise, it can look really intimidating, most Americans won't have since these usually don't take place in the US. As for the timing, it might just be a time that was compatible with everything else on the schedule. It could also be because it will still be hot giving a more authentic experience, although the middle east is even hotter.
c63f54 No.10017
>>9135>>9822I don't believe that for a second. No citizens own their own country. The globalist own every country. No matter how ugly the script says things look they're all friendly with one another and the American war machine marches on. They want these war games here. It was their first choice.
2d8a16 No.10091
>>10017We're just postulating mate, if you refer to my other posts you can see that this was the last and weakest reason I suggested for the Op being held here in the US. My money is on conditioning of soldiers for suppression of civil unrest, but I'm here to have my views challanged and challenge others.
Why do you think globalists want war games in the US? The civil population being submissive here is a lynchpin to most globalist plans so I would think they would avoid riling the citizenry with something like this, unless there was a specific purpose to it.
1e2d1d No.13931
>>9135
What Obama foreign policy disasters? I mean the ones that would make other countries hate USA gouvernement or military, not its corporations.
fafe68 No.13933
5ff41e No.13939
>>8884
"It could never happen here" is an insane worldview.
We are literally living in the world described by the "fringe wacko" conspiracy theorists of the 80s and 90s.
fafe68 No.13940
>>13939
Nice fake discussion fag.
059fb4 No.13945
>>13933
How is this JIDF? This thread was clearly not made to defend israel
>>13940
butthurt schizo detected
4efe2b No.13947
>>13931
Well let's see…
The Libyan Benghazi affair, military meddling in Syria, continued Yemeni drone campaigns, economic meddling in the Ukraine, sponsoring cyberwar against China, the Iran nuclear deal, continued ground campaigns in Iraq and Afghanistan, deception of the Pakistani ISI over the Bin Laden assassination, supporting UN small arms treaty, supporting economic warfare via UN carbon controls based on falsified science, continued prohibition of narcotics thus creating/supporting paramilitary cartels in Mexico, conducting espionage on European allies, not to mention an endless parade of cultural gaffes committed while abroad.
The list goes on mate, his whole administration has been a disaster for realists and liberals alike. Foreign policy is no exception.
1e2d1d No.13949
>>13947
Thanks, m8. It's hard to see through the mist, sometimes, since he's a nigger so the media sucks his dick. I knew from the start he'd be shit like every president since the 20s, especially after Kennedy.
Still not sure where to draw the line between figurehead and congress < invested interests.
a3d436 No.13950
4efe2b No.13953
>>13949
I'm glad to spread the truth. The media helped cover all that up in many ways. At least they got their heads out of their asses when it came out that his Department of Justice was spying on them too.
It definitely had to do with his African blood but remember he isn't a nigger. Dude is wicked smart, evil, and a very experienced manipulator. Mostly they supported him because it was popular, and the mainstream doubled down with him more than once after he started fucking up. Also the fourth estate (established media) in the States is already liberal as it gets so he was already predisposed to an easy.
Are you not from the States? If so I can see how his image would be effectively whitewashed by international media. They love his black ass too >:(
799f54 No.14025
Uh so what is the CRF event? Its kinda hard to tell but it looks like that box is right on top of where I live.
4859f3 No.14039
>>13953
Remember that New World Order speech he gave over here (Germany) a few years back where everybody cheered like he was the second coming of Christ?
dd1bd2 No.14040
>>14039
Yeah but that was before they found out he ordered their metadata to be collected. I'm confidant the international community has abandoned his torch. As long as he lives he'll go down as the failed black president and hopefully history will see him for the radical Marxist he is.
Also be careful watching his speeches. Good oration is hard to resist, and you're better off reading transcripts if you want to try and parse his message. Protip There usually isn't one.
ec4ff2 No.14130
is anyone really worried about this? I mean cmon… its too well known. I mean we got the freaking governor of texas saying hes going to direct the state guard to watch them. I mean cmon… there is even going to be citizens guarding them. No fn way.
a27c63 No.14133
>>14130
In worried about the implications of the exercises. There has been martial law declared in two major cities in the last two years. The federal government is militarizing and purchasing massive stockpiles of ammunition. DHS and the DoD are regularly publishing white papers condemning the right wing as extremiats and domestic terrorists.
Now they are going to suspend posse comitatus to train the deadliest fighting forces in our military, in the biggest frontier state of right vs. left wing conflict, and try to do it in secret? They got caught, thank the gods.
This is the hand of tyranny preparing to suppress civil unrest man. They are indoctrinating people as True Believers and purging all ideological non-conformists. So yes, I'm worried. It's not the fact that they are going to occupy the city and start purging with this exercise. It's that these exercises are training illegal standing armies to do so.
e3c7df No.14135
>>14130
You should study history, especially dictatorships (including tyrants) and what they do too seize and maintain power. This is preparation for the final steps too completing full martial law, or at least try to. This is not necessarily the moment where they will actually go for a full Martial Law basically they will sniff out everyone who has a gun, who rats out the SF, political dissidents, trying too make the new planned status quo seem "normal", etc., etc. because this is the "preparation stage" where they systemically prepare everything for the best possible chance of success for the actual "moment" whatever that may be. The stuff like UN is just plan B incase an actual happening leading too Civil War happens.
Were worried because we're political dissidents, intelligent (or at least educated properly), and are part of the *chans which is enemy number one of internet control and censorship. WE are the people who will be targeted for a purge idiots are left alone because they are easier too control and easy keep their loyalty by keeping them stupid, uneducated, and rooted in hate for other groups that are not them.
d51b28 No.14144
>>14135
It's a scary thought, the U.S. going that way, though I can easily see them trying it. The Fed has been losing their grip on the nation for along time now. I'm in Texas, and hopefully we can weather the storm. Though I've been thinking of going to the Northwest Front area as well. Hard to choose.
6eb074 No.14167
>>14144
Northwestern front? Which area, the Cascades?
>>14135
What's SF?
8291c8 No.14168
f8af4c No.14211
>>8693
IMO, I don't think this is anything more than SF training. The US military in whole would never turn on its own citizens, because no only would your singular troops disobey orders or desert, I can imagine a number of officers would keep those under their command from following unlawful orders from the top or wherever the order originate. The military isn't full of people who would fire on their citizens.
If there would be an internal war to be waged by the gubmint and the citizens, you'd better look towards LEOs, FEMA, SWAT, and the likes. They are the ones whose job it is to corral citizens against their will, and knowingly signed up for that. If the Fed passes a law saying all citizens have to get an RFID chip by the end of the month, the guys enforcing that would be LEOs, not the military. LEOs are designed to enforce and punish, the military is full of bored fucks who are barely adults trying to get drunk of two beers at the party their CO threw. The military is full of guys who wouldn't give a fuck about unlawful orders if theyre not getting their GI bill and benefits, and most of the younger troops just worry about having to get up in the morning for formation, they arent capable of waging a war against their people. I guess Im trying to say its a cultural thing. And if you aren't military, while I don't expect you to know the culture, understand that Arguing that the military is all about shutting up and following orders, thats movie shit and dumbass Lieutenant shit, after these guys get older, they just don't care. LEOs do care about that shit, they like fucking with people lawfully. Thats my point I guess. Im really fucking tired if my point is muddy, sorry.
e3c7df No.14212
Hey guys, if anyones' curious or active this Anon is witnessing real Military movement which is in Chicago (not covered by the MSM of course).
http://8ch.net/pol/res/1855024+50.html#q1937265
https://archive.is/Yg0Xd
f8af4c No.14213
>>14212
>militarized police
I think you misread the post, he means police with big funs and armor I assume.
d51b28 No.14220
>>14167
Washington, Oregon, Idaho, and the western part of Montana. It's very similar to Cascadia. It's a movement to get those of European descent to move to the area and sort of take over demographically. If/when the US collapses, the leadership in the movement, and all those who moved there for the movement, will take power and create a new nation.
2f723a No.14221
>>14211
The point is good. My brother was in the Army described something similar about life there More, hilariously, about the bullshit that rolls down hill.
940007 No.14263
>>14135
>tfw we will be sent to a fema camp
god i can't wait to fight with you guys over cigarette buts in shack 12
e3c7df No.14295
>>14263
Whats the best chalk for dank memes on concrete?
Archive of the pol thread, not much discussion there.
https://archive.is/Eo4yN
798df4 No.14306
>>14263
I always liked this comic that some anon made. Although I kind of doubt that the FEMA camps will really be used, I think the goal is to make the whole country into a prison.
0e1e72 No.14328
0ff49b No.14352
It seems as though the other Jade Helm 15 thread remains active, so the archive I posted may be out of date either way two /pol/acks have made notable observations.
The military did large scale exercises in the middle of nowhere by building what they needed for their training. If anyone is/was in the military could confirm this and explain that would be swell.
What this point brings up means is that no, it is not training for Iran or whatever else they can pull out of their ass is a load of shit because they've been fine with what they've done before.
000000 No.14655
>>14306
I love that comic. It so perfectly captures the frustration of trying to make people reflect on why all all this infrastructure for mass surveillance is being built, why all these literal concentration camps are being built, why the police is being militarized and so on and so on.
8291c8 No.14877