b62459 No.8783
Like this article suggests,
http://www.nikolaomontaya.com/depression-is-a-scam/It says that depression is a scam and the group of people profiting from it does everything to make people agree with depression=disease= pills.
When you think of it, this is kind of obvious: pharmatical companies pair with governments and medical professionals to make sure everyone buys their products.
4cc38f No.8786
overdiagnosed =/= scam
b62459 No.8794
>>8786Even for those diagnosed, still is a scam
2f5e7d No.8798
It's not a scam, it's a real thing.
But many professional victims unfortunately conflate their "I feel bad about myself / I feel sad" with actual legit depression where you are basically catatonic.
1bb989 No.8799
Depression isn't a scam, anti depressants are the scam. They are fucking garbage, weed does a better job for fucks sakes.
3adfc3 No.8845
>>8799>implying all illegal drugs don't have therapeutic uses in one form or another>implying big pharma didn't lobby to have them outlawed so they could make bank on complex synthetic drugs with proprietary chemistry 578df9 No.8876
As someone who had depression and recently got off SSRIs, I think cognitive psych is the vest way to treat these sorts of things.
At the end of the day, depression is just a collection of bad mental habits. You end up training yourself to respond negatively to certain stimuli when you really don't need to.
caeb5e No.8877
the brain also gets addicted to retarded things, like feeling bad. Cyclic behavior is hard to break. I don't agree with giving people SSRIs however.
8dad80 No.8893
Depression fag here who got put in a looney bin and forced to eat food laced with drugs and take anti-d's against my will even after the doctors agreed my symptoms were mild and I was having a stress induced panic that caused my incident.
Took the drug when I got out and then stopped while I tried weed, which actually does work really well I just got dependent on it.
I try not to use any mind altering substance anymore.
>>8876>At the end of the day, depression is just a collection of bad mental habits. You end up training yourself to respond negatively to certain stimuli when you really don't need to.This. I change my habits and diet to fix my mood.
All in all I'd have to say that depression can be a chemical/hormonal thing or an environmental thing. I was told I had a chemical imbalance when the later was true, I was just being a massive pussy and not dealing with life.
84c1ef No.8906
>>8783I think there is some truth to your idea.
As this anon says
>>8786 over diagnosis is probably an issue, and it is probably perpetuated by big pharmaceutical companies trying to bank more cash (which is why all health care industry should be nationalised imo). Anyway. I dont think depression is an entirely social construct. I mean from my own experiences you can feel it effecting your psyche the same way you can feel a broken bone or a tooth ache.
Your body has ways of coping with things it can't change or heal. For example, if you had a splinter in your foot, and you couldn't get that splinter out, and it just stayed there for days, weeks and months, all of the nerves around the splinter would eventually die and it would stop hurting. Nerves are there to alert you to an injury, and to encourage you to do something about the injury. If the you don't do something about the injury, the nerves have failed to serve their purpose and now they are merely an inconvenience, so the body has them killed off.
I think a similar coping mechanism is in place in the human psyche. When you are in negative circumstances in life, such as loneliness, you body will encourage you to do something about the negative circumstance by inflicting you with sadness. The same way you body will encourage you to pluck a splinter by inflicting you with pain. If this loneliness goes on for days, weeks, months, even years, then the sadness you feel isn't serving its purpose any more, it hasn't encouraged you to remove the negative circumstance. So the same way you body kills the nerves around the splinter in your foot you didn't remove, you body kills the sadness. You are left with a numbness. A lack of emotion. An inhibility to feel either sad or happy. Your emotions have failed to encourage positive behaviour and so they have failed to serve their purpose and they are removed. All they are doing is causing unnecessary stress (which over prolonged periods of time can actually cause physiological injury to the brain).
That emptyness, numbness and lack of ability to feel anything is depression. I highly doubt it's just made up or imagined. For some people it is a very, very real circumstance and an awful place to be. It's very difficult and slow to heal.
Overdiagnosis is definately an issue, with this victimhood agenda being pushed in society, and the way we pander to negative emotions people are very quick self-diagnose depression purely for attention and other such silly reasons.
9d40ea No.8909
>>8783While there is most assuredly a small percentage of the population that suffer from debilitating depression that they can not overcome by simply changing their lifestyle the majority of depressed people do not need therapy or drugs.
They need to get out of situations in which they have no control and start exerting control in the situations in which they have for some reason rejected it.
Bad or lack of employment, bad family relations, low fitness, lack of regular and sufficient sleep, lack of a proper diet, taking on too many responsibilities. These can all be fixed and the majority of people who think themselves depressed are not addressing these not because of a lack of ability due to the depression making them bedridden but because of a learned helplessness. They are programmed to obey that anyone in any position of authority always knows better than they do themselves.
The doctor tells you to stop lifting heavy weights due to your lower back injuries? OBEY
The doctor tells you that eating better won't do it takes these pills? OBEY
The government tells you that you need to go do jury duty? OBEY
Policeman tells you to get out of your car? OBEY
Never question always obey.
Most people are products of public schooling where daily from the age of 4-5 kids are taught to obey strangers and shouted down or punished if they disobey. Thinking for yourself is dangerous.
So when people encounter difficult situations in life they don't want to face scary punishment from the authorities.
84c1ef No.8916
>>8909So what you are saying, is that people in a severely negative situation, do not want to pull theselves out of said situation because they might face an even more negative situation from people in authority?
edbfec No.8921
Some people are probably legitimately depressed, but it is definitely being used to drug people. Just like ADHD/ADD/whatever it is called.
After a close relative died a doctor attempted to put me on pills because I was "depressed".
>>8909Environmental reasons are pretty big. I'm living with my parents right now and there is daily screaming for hours at a time. This shit is having an effect on me compared to just a few months ago when I was living alone. I'll be moving back out again in a few months and I bet everyone goes back to normal.
Is what you're describing really learned helplessness? It sounds more like just unquestioningly obeying authority.
63bbff No.8957
Won't read an article with a headline like that.
Depression is real and has been documented for thousands of years across all classes. Some have delved into the evolutionary purpose if any.
Also, learn to Machiavelli, manifesting a destiny has also been around for thousands of years. One sure way to push depression is push poverty, ignorance and fear onto the unwashed huddled masses.
9fe240 No.8972
>>8783Watch the documentary:
> The Marketing of MadnessIt is available on YT (someone imbed please). It talks about the growth and expansion of the DSM, the evolution of the prescription market, profits over time, in a linear and chronological order. It's quite good.
> Essentially in the 50ss-70s you had prescription drug companies -> make patented drug billions over that time -> drug monopaly -> 70s to present the DSM expands from a few tens of dozens of disorders with narrower spectrums to extremely vast vague and wide spectrums and thousands. During this time the drug companies make hundreds billions, can grease the FDA enough to pass shit prescriptions barely/not better than placebo, can overpower/pay off problems in out of court with no penalty and maintaining huge profits. The DSM criteria are selected by an easily biasable/corruptible/small panel of psychiatrists who depend on the prescription market for their jobs (wider net with looser conditions = more money). Almost no court cases can be settled without a conflict of interest as all psychiatrists are compromised in that sense.It goes on.
If you wana imagine an interesting scenario; imagine America (with significant [10-15%+] of the population on painkillers, anti psychotic/depressants, mood stabilizers, ect) where the supply chain to those drugs dries up overnight.
Imagine 10%+ of the US population going into withdrawal from mind altering substances they've been addicted to for many years to their whole lives.
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Anyway as far as depression goes, yes it exists and can be because of 'chemical/brain abnormalities'. This is a minority (as in <50%) of prescribed cases. Ask yourself these questions:
> Do you think humans were meant/supposed to be happy 24/7?
> Do you think taking a drug that works barely above placebo in botched tests greased through the FDA by big pharma whose psychiatrists (drug dealers/salesmen) are paid lavishly to sell you drugs and financially depend on doing so to pay back their student debts?
> Do you think it is ethical to sell people drugs that they will become physically, mentally, and chemically dependent on for a lifetime of use and can permanently alter the formereven after stopping use.Do you think a 5-10 minute session of saying your sad to a doctor with no blood tests or brain-scans is sufficient to take a lifetime use life ltering drug on the bases of you having a neuro-chemical imbalance that wasnt tested before you were prescribed meds?
Watch the documentary then re-evaluate your stance:
> The Marketing of Madness 9fe240 No.8976
>>8906Great analysis/analogy.
It's a feedback loop where your own sadness and cognitive dissonance feed off eachother until they erode eachother down nothing. Cognative dissonance erodes sadness, and the numbness left s a result reduces care to apathy.
I view many people's depressions as an oscillating wave. IE: Human experience is a wide range of ups and downs. You can limit the negative feelings as espoused above, but by doing so you reduce the overall possible range of emotional feeling (of both happiness and sadness). Depressed people have a very constrained wave with a small range, people with great emotional ranges have waves with wide ranges.
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>>8972>the occult networkIs this really any good? Most "occult" shit tends to be people looking really hard for things that aren't there.
d88e9d No.8990
>>8783Somehow I don't think that a lot of people read OP's linked article. A few things though.
Depression vs. SadnessProbably one of the most made errors also like
>>8798 said.
Depression isn't sadness. Sadness is quite natural and helpful. Depression could have some evolutionary purposes like
>>8957 said.
So what is difference?'
Mainly,
a) you feel worthless/guilty,
b) you can't feel pleasure anymore and
c) you feel nothing makes any sense now/nothing changes anyway.
Myth of Mental Illness>>8783>depression=disease= pillsThere were oppenents of this newly created trend even 50 years ago. One of the more famous is Thomas Szasz who argued against that in
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Myth_of_Mental_Illness.
>>8783
> Szasz believes that the concept of mental illness is not only logically absurd but has harmful consequences: instead of treating cases of ethical or legal deviation as occasions when a person should be taught personal responsibility, attempts are made to "cure" the deviants, for example by giving them tranquilizers. Psychotherapy is regarded by Szasz as useful not to help people recover from illnesses, but to help them "learn about themselves, others, and life.Cognitive behavior therapyThe main is idea is like
>>8876 said to learn techniques on how to handle depressive thoughts. It's actual one of the best therapies to treat depression.
In some milder cases like
>>8893 said you can change a lot by just fixing your diet and e.g. start working out.
Learned helpnesses which
>>8909 mentioned is also something which can be dealt with. Especially this locus of control is important.
One last bit (drugs/chemical imbalances)There's a lot of discussion in science around this topic though your physician probably won't know. The chemical and biological fundament of the chemical imbalances theory is less researched than you may think. Which shouldn't surprise the average /polpol/ack.
But one last bit which I want to mention from a study by Dr. Brett Deacon.
> Question: What happens to people when they buy in to a biomedical explanation for their depression?
> The answer: Bad things. They become pessimistic that recovery is possible. They become less confident that they can manage and regulate negative moods that arise (and they always do). The notion that depression is their brain's fault does not lessen the stigma or self-blame one bit. And they no longer believe that psychotherapy is a credible or useful strategy for treating their depression and instead, are ready to be dispensed a pill cure. Essentially, they become less flexible in their options for treating depression and less confident that they will escape its clutches. 869fd0 No.9021
All mental illness is fake. Most of it is because people live close together in crowed cities. Mental illness does not exist in hunter and gather societies. Also, homosexuality is a mental illness.
04dd0f No.9025
>Is depression a scam
I don't think I'd call it a scam, but it's definitely overdiagnosed. There are a small amount of people who really are chemically imbalanced, but most "depression" is due to lifestyle issues or a physical problem. Doctors should be required to check for a physical ailment first, and if that's not the cause then send the person to a psychotherapist instead of jumping for the prescription pad immediately.
Speaking from personal experience, a lot of the problem seems to be that many doctors are lazy. I went in because I couldn't keep food down, was collecting fluid in my extremities, and had a bunch of other weird symptoms. The bitch kept telling me it was all in my head, and that she could write an Rx for an SSRI. I said it wasn't in my head, and that I wanted tests run. She refused to order the tests, and kept pushing the SSRIs until I got so pissed that I told her to shove them up her ass. It turned out that I had a food allergy and fructose malabsorption, which took months to figure out since most of the medical establishment was uninterested in helping.
With gastrointestinal disorders especially, it's dangerous to go for the SSRIs without checking other things first. The body will often go into starvation mode trying to reduce the need for calories and nutrients, resulting in depression. Getting through lean times is one of the evolutionary reasons for depression. The practitioner should be checking whether the patient has vitamin/mineral deficiencies and devising a strategy to get more calories into them. An anti-depressant won't fix starvation.
7f066f No.9027
>>8982Don't neglect the occult. People have said the same thing about the Jewish conspiracy.
As some was diagnosed with things like depression and generalized anxiety disorder more than 10 years ago, here's what I have to say:
Depression is real.
For me it feels like an extreme amount of sadness for a period of time longer than usual. What I don't agree with is going to the psychiatrist and taking pills cycle. Psychiatrists are just pay for a friend. They pretend to help and pretend to care for you, but in reality, they're actors most of the time. There is no relationship and neither know each other outside of the office. Don't expect the psychiatrist to put themselves in your shoes and understand whatever it is you're going (or gone) through.
The pills are way worse. They have horrible side effects; getting adjusted to them, while taking them and finally, when leaving them. Feels more like a placebo than anything to tell you the truth. Barely any difference except you are "zombified."
Also the whole logic of it it's stupid. The idea of taking Effexor XR in my case for example, is that they make you feel better so that you can deal with whatever it is you have to deal with so that when you leave them you'll be ready and better to take on life. But how is it that I can really deal with my problem if I'm just artificially repressing my anxiety and depression in the first place? It's a band aid as there's no way of knowing.
What you have to do is face life head on and take responsibility for it and your actions. Get out of the victim mindset that develops and is perpetuated by your family/friends/spouse and expose yourself to living or whatever it is.
If you get panic attacks driving on a highway then you just have to get up and do that. Do it with baby steps and start just turning the car on in your garage if need be. If you are depressed then get up and do something. At least you cut the grass! But sooner or later, either you're going to lose your job or not have money or live like a bum in a disgusting place with fungus and shit and then, THEN you'll definitely want to get better for sure.
9d40ea No.9028
>>8916>So what you are saying, is that people in a severely negative situation, do not want to pull theselves out of said situation because they might face an even more negative situation from people in authority?That is the misconception they operate on.
9d40ea No.9029
>>8921>>Is what you're describing really learned helplessness? It sounds more like just unquestioningly obeying authority.These two things are related.
9d40ea No.9030
>>8990I am adding an upboat to this post.
22a8a3 No.9038
>>9027>Barely any difference except you are "zombified."I was on a high dosage of antidepressants a few years ago and I noticed absolutely zero change from how I normally was, and I never experienced anything like what people describe about their emotions becoming numbed either. I am a sperg though so maybe that part of my brain just doesn't function correctly to begin with.
0cf86f No.9062
Thanks for informing me that 15 years of feeling like an absolute worthless pile of dog shit and feeling like a zombie every waking minute of my life was just a "Myth" and that after 15 fucking years of trying, NOW is the time that I suddenly have this magical power to overcome my depression. I guess this asshole with a blog apparently knows more about depression than doctors, scientists, and other trained medical professionals, probably because he read a paragraph of a Wikipedia article that explained it to him. Holy shit, guys! This guy with a blog has just disproven years of scientific research! Call the fucking news, get the presses rolling!
But seriously. Fuck right off, OP.
1fd29f No.9109
>>9062dont be like that bud, it ain't helpful and buddy's just got no perspective
396ab7 No.9112
>>9062You're only depressed because you have shitty coping mechanisms, fix your shoddy cognitive-behavioral patterns. Those medical professionals and scientists are inextricably linked to pharmaceutical companies, they're professional pill pushers, but I'm sure you can trust them.
6a200f No.9136
No but cure is
b62459 No.9166
>>8972"If you wana imagine an interesting scenario; imagine America (with significant [10-15%+] of the population on painkillers, anti psychotic/depressants, mood stabilizers, ect) where the supply chain to those drugs dries up overnight.
Imagine 10%+ of the US population going into withdrawal from mind altering substances they've been addicted to for many years to their whole lives."
Well that's not far away since people are cultivating more and more a culture of victimhood where they'd rather depend on something or someone instead of themselves.
>>8990That's an interesting discussion.
I think I saw the book you mentioned, Myth of Mental Illness, on Amazon recently. I remember it's gathering some attention.
Science has a lot of cleaning to do before we can trust it again.
bde845 No.9171
If depression is a scam, then why does it pre-date the pharma industry?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melancholia 3a2624 No.9179
>>9171This. Furthermore, depression is, just like schizophrenia and epilepsy, verifiable by testing the dopamine and serotonine levels.
Im the first to give the pharma the finger, anti depressants are a double edged blade, swung way too quickly and harsh and goddamnit if Quetiapin aint the very devils work but simply neglecting the existence of pathological depression is retarded.
Depression has been a vile companion for humans and other high intellect spezies since the dawn of time. Even Socrates has written about it.
af2a9e No.9357
If you think depression doesn't exist you've never met someone who actually suffers from depression.
80f3c3 No.9430
As someone living with Bipolar Disorder, I can definitely say depression is real. Mental illness is just like any other illness, you just can't see it. It's a problem with the brain and SOMETIMES meds do help. The problem is, we don't know how or why most of them work. Overdiagnosis is definitely an issue and I agree with other anons that CBT is one of the best treatments. I've always avoided pills if I could help it.
80f3c3 No.9443
>>8972> Do you think it is ethical to sell people drugs that they will become physically, mentally, and chemically dependent on for a lifetime of use and can permanently alter the former even after stopping use.You mean like alcohol and tobacco? Only some give withdrawals. I've never actually heard of anyone being 'addicted' to their antidepressants, mood stabilizers, or antipsychotics; and I have many friends with mental health issues. (Support groups)
1ab577 No.9447
If depression is a scam then 'Depression Quest' is actually 'Scam Quest'.
>mfw that is actually 100% true
mind = blown
9d40ea No.9508
>>9062>something personal experience>therefore everyone else claiming my condition has it too just because they say sono
329b94 No.9525
Depressionfag here.
>Work out
>Eat healthily
>Even go on dates with girls
>Hang out with friends
Every morning is still a struggle, every day is long and agonising, I have no energy, I have no hope for the future, I don't enjoy the things I used to enjoy and nothing tastes good.
I'm not on any meds or anything, but I was on meds a year ago and all that did was make it hard for me to orgasm.
3a2624 No.9527
>>9443Anti depressants do make you addicted. In the very way normal drugs do, just way more direct.
Im on dopamine meds and baby let me tell you, take those away from me and Ill kill you although I dont feel any direct effect on me by these.
3a2624 No.9533
>>9525Pretty much the final testimony of depression is killing your appetite and taste. When honey tastes bitter, you know what youre dealing with.
329b94 No.9535
>>9533I am down to barely being able to eat meals without feeling sick or uncomfortable. Ultra sweet things still taste sweet, but I don't get any joy out of eating my old favourite foods.
Most days I eat a banana for breakfast, skip lunch and eat whatever dinner I can throw together without being too exhausted.
3a2624 No.9547
>>9535Well whats left to say ? I wont give you "carry on"s and stuff like that. Depression is shit and thats it. It doesnt compulsory get any better and maybe it stays till your dead.
Im with you and your not alone. You knew that before, though.
You know whats keeping me going ? Those few moments on image boards and real life when I realize Im not the only fucker sharing my misery. And I dont even visit r9k because that would be too easy. The world is shit and most people are idiots. Ill never be able to deal with it and will fester my life complaining. But Im here to stay, I guess. Fuck you, fuck me, fuck 8chan. We all are brothers fighting the wrong war and enjoying it, because its so damn easy.
I tend to alcohol.
329b94 No.9548
>>9547I'm kept going by shame. Shame and guilt for being a shitty son pretty much propel me forward.
Also I have a really great dog.
c83031 No.9549
Depression's a very, very real thing. People's knowledge of it goes all the way back to when they called it melancholia, and thought it was from having an excess of black bile in your humors.
3a2624 No.9555
>>9548Yupp I too love my fucking dog. Shes a bitch and wont do anything I tell her but damn shes more of a person most people are.
Adding to the macro thread:
When you are depressed youll notice something very interesting - depression is one of the fundamental gears in history. Discuss and weap.
3a2624 No.9569
I just love how the kids starting this thread completely went silent the moment depressed people entered. Go.Fuck.Yourselfs.
08ecdf No.9672
>>9569Wat? I think you're reading way too much into shit.
f09354 No.9923
>>8783Disabilities by their nature are a scam.
Why are those impediments officially declared as disibilities more important than other impediments that on a whole create the same result?
d57421 No.9961
>>9555this
avoid cats, you need affectionate animals
9d40ea No.11713
>>9555>Discuss and weap.Depression can help you face death and laugh in spite of yourself. It can give you a sense of calm and a chance to refocus your life.
66075e No.13584
>>8783
The meds are a scam.
They'd use psilocybin if they really wanted to cure it.
Or they'd tell you the emotion-free reason to live; potential.
As long as there is the potential to be a reason for your existence/life, you should act accordingly; if you do not know of it, do anything in your power to maximize your ability to attain such knowledge - or someone else's ability to attain it, as it is necessarily better for some of that purpose to be fulfilled than nothing.
Unless it is a "all or nothing" situation, which requires further confirmation.
c26521 No.13589
Oh great, this thread again.
In short, no. Depression exists, but anti depressants are the scam. Think of it, one of their side effects is increased suicidal thoughts.
Depression is also likely misdiagnosed.
58143e No.13591
>>8783
I think a lot of men are put on anti-depressants which don't work, when they should be on testosterone treatment
9d40ea No.13603
>>13591
>when they should be on testosterone treatment
first clean up the diet
604e9f No.13607
>>8783
Nah, depression isn't a scam but I think it's difficult to accurately diagnose because it has cofactors.
Speaking for myself, I can trace it back to having bronchitis and then pneumonia. The first time I had bronchitis I had no problem making it through the recovery phase, basically where you just feel exhausted and sleep excessively - then one day you feel fine again.
The second time I had bronchitis develop into pneumonia followed by a very slow recovery phase of two years.
That was the cause of my depression. And I won't lie, there were various times during pneumonia where I kept passing out, coughing up blood - I thought I was going to die.
I suspect depression is linked to respiratory illnesses such as these.
464c17 No.13613
>>9062
You are such a pussy.
f63cce No.13720
Definitely real or something similar to how its described (I feel depressed a lot these days). That being said I would never touch pills with a 10 ft pole. If you have issues it is better to try and find resolution to them then numb yourself or medicate yourself with drugs which will make you feel worse.
7fbc7a No.13721
374e68 No.13724
>>8783
>>8906
>>8972
poor diet causes depression
I agree with most people in this thread, but I just want to make that point crystal clear. I am a rather successful, young, person of Germanic heritage. When depression has truly hit me, it has been from eating oats, gluten, or milk, or taking antibiotics, or eating food with antinutrients such as corn or peanut butter.
Every time, I recovered from eating only meat and vegetables, and taking (naturally derived) vitamin supplements. Most important, imo, are a probiotic, zinc, and magnesium, from my experience.
The anons who are blaming big pharma are 100% correct.
A great example I learned about recently is using natokinase as a replacement for warfarum (which iirc is basically just cyanide).
In fact, whenever a study comes out that says "Vitamin X increases risk of cancer!" it's usually from a synthetic form of vitamin X, which has a different molecular structure. They did this saying Vitamin E causes prostate cancer about 2 years ago. I hate the media and pharmaceutical industry so much..
FocusFactor is my multivitamin of choice. If I'm sick I'll take the recommended 4-8 a day and my mind recovers faster (I get pretty foggy when I'm sick)
>>8909
Exactly. And doctors will almost always talk down to you if you question them - as if their pride is more important than your health.
>>8990
I like that quote from Thomas Szasz - very true, imo.
>>13591
I'm not familiar with this, but in my experience pretty much any nutritional/hormonal imbalance can create depression like symptoms, so definitely worth trying.
>>13607
my girlfriend has severe depression after taking antibiotics for some illness (that we never found out what it was). She recovered from the depression - magnesium was 'the pill' that cured her. Probiotics also helped. We suspect the antibiotics killed her gut flora, which iirc are very important for serotonin production. she takes a serotonin pill now a couple times a week which has been great for her
374e68 No.13725
>>13724
oh, also - apparently fluoride inhibits thyroid activity, and an underactive thyroid can cause depression and weight gain (probably causes a specific hormone imbalance)
And the US puts a lot of fluoride in the water. If someone has an 'overactive' thyroid, they might take fluoride tablets. And iirc, US water has ~4x the amount of fluoride per average drinking day as those tablets
5018ed No.13727
>>8783
No, it is an emotion. It is also being exploited and nurtured in current society.
f5d45f No.13730
>>13720
The reason for depression (IMO) is because you have been sold the lie that people will love you for who you are, even if they are total strangers and the lie that life is about living the life your whimsically want. The truth is nobody loves you, except your parents, and your whimsical self is restarted and dishonorable. If you don't expect love from assholes and strangers, and if you live the life you intellectually want you will be without depression. Be warned though that you subconscious is going to have a bitch fit over these truths but stick with them and in time you'll get over it.
f63cce No.13760
>>13730
Never cared for the love of strangers Anon. I think my depression stems from being in a coma while growing up and having a large portion of my teeth knocked out requiring dentures during the same time. Chronic pain can do a lot towards messing with your concentration and other factors.
That being said though, I can agree with that for many cases that I see with people. They are trying to appeal to other peoples desires and perceptions of them. How they believe sick society expects them to act and not receiving any benefit for doing so
8fbdf0 No.13765
>>9062
Who do you think funded that research, Einstein? The doctors themselves are trained by Pharmaceutical companies to fix everything with pills.
680978 No.13812
>>13760
Ah I see. Try stronglifts weight lifting program for strength. It solved a few kinks I had in my body. Also, a strong body naturally gives you confidence.
Good luck anon.
e641e9 No.13836
I've been depressed for a very long time but never took SSRIs.
The SSRIs and big pharma are the scam not depression.
The question is how do we treat the cause of this "epidemic" (if you want to call it that) of depression? Is it just more people coming in to psychologists offices because they are sad and getting on drugs or what?
9d40ea No.13840
>>13812
>program
dont do those
Figure out which strengths you need and consider your whole body with whole lifts first
Your training shouldn't differ much between powerlifting or bodybuilding or just general strength and health.
651335 No.13878
>>13836
Depression is caused by a conflict between what you intellectually want and what your body wants IMO. So, there is a root, but just knowing what the root is isn't enough. You must use will power and an idea to counter it.
For me, it had to do with not being loved by people I wanted it from. Really used to twist a knife in me, but most of the time I wasn't aware of this. I drowned myself in sleeping, games, TV, and porn. Wouldn't get up in the morning to go to work for this. Solution for me was to "realize" that there wasnt anybody in the entire world who truly was of my kin. I thought of myself as the last of my kind and as an observer of lowly humans. I realize that that wasn't exactly true, but I needed a powerful idea to push the barrier my mind had put up against anything not realated to these people I wanted love from.
Similarly I did the same for discipline. I simply though that freedom was wrong and set out to "enslave" my body to myself. Pushed through it, now it doesn't matter as much for me to do some thing at whim.
These things that cause you to feel depressed or try to drown it in a vice can be broken, but require a strong will not to break in the face of that emotion for an extended period of time. If you do it you will be on the other side of the tunnel before you know it. Have faith. You may feel that you are in a darker place than ever before, but don't break. It is for better tomorrow.
Good luck.
I hope this helps.
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I don't know, the program does do whole body lifts, and it's very simple. It's put forth as a beginner program, and I think I needed that since I'm sure I was at retard level when it came to lifting. Additionally, compliments started rolling in out of nowhere about my body. I kind of didn't notice the difference but there are results. Maybe I need to focus on other areas but it does seem to cover most bases. I'll branch out after I'm at a satisfactory level on it.