/polpol/ - Politically Incorrect Discussion

No I don't support it
As a student of minority (but not covered by AA) it's really funny people telling me about how the white man is killing all my people in wars right now.

Now of course going into education i've been treated like a shitlord because people are uneducated about who I am.

In all honesty, with people not trusting in me i've never seen these racial booster programs to work or have any amount of success in producing well crafted adults.

All these black-helper/minority-helper programs throughout America have actually hindered the community's ability to change the vicious gang cycle or literacy problem.

At best programs like these simply MAKE minorities feel better about themselves, but of course feels don't translate to actual HARD WORK.

This shit stabbed me in the back by the way, got denied to some of my decent 1st pick colleges, but later realizing that if they're into this they're shit, so I didn't really hate not getting accepted as much.

This does nothing for both sides and is representative or the overall bad reach "helpful feels" programs do for communities and society

Completely unnecessary IMO. Businesses should be able to chose who they hire and be able to negotiate the circumstances in which workers are hired.

I'm not an American though, but my 2 cents is SHUT IT DOWN.

Affirmative action should be scrapped. When the Japanese side of my family immigrated to America, there were no government programs to help minorities and people were a hell of a lot more racist back then, yet everything turned out fine. They climbed the socioeconomic ladder very quickly. The keys are to start businesses that serve your ethnic community and work on assimilating with the larger culture. I think affirmative action actually increases racial tensions by forcing companies to hire people who aren't qualified, increasing the workload for qualified co-workers and possibly decreasing the firm's competitiveness leading to a lot of resentment. With AA for women it might be even worse, because I think a lot of the performance differences are biologically rooted. That's not to say a woman can't be good at a challenging STEM job, or a physically demanding one, but she would be the exception to the rule.

My old man used to tell me

>iron needs to be worked in the fire to become steel.

When you make things easy on people you're not doing them any favors. You deny people the chance to better themselves so that they can earn something, that betterment be it education, experience, conections, physically and mentally becoming stronger due to hard work; it would stay with the person for the rest of their lives. Greatness is made not born. Without the struggle to better oneself, our greatest leaders would not have become who they were.

Tldr, don't fuck with the natural order its there for a reason.

AA programs directly hinder the people they're meant to help. Look up university failure rates and then cleave them into AA vs. non-AA. Minority groups that benefit from AA have much, much lower success rates (ie: they drop out much more) in universities that offer AA benefits. All AA does is encourage people to shoot for programs and universities they can't compete in, which in turn shoves them out of education (because they flunk out).

Then there is the fact that people hate being pitied, so even if your being well intentioned instead of just making yourself feel good your better off giving people opportunities and not hand outs.

Affirmative Action is just a glorified hand out.

They hire 60 guys at my work half are related to the people that work here already. 2 are black and 1 white woman for menial labor in a city that is 46% black. So I can understand AA. HOWEVER, the racial strife that it causes and bitterness is it worth it? AA isn't going any where , it would be a long hard political fight that galvanizes left wing sympathies and votes. I propose to expand affirmative to include whites over thirty that have been unemployed for over a year. A sort hard luck whitey rule to smooth over the animosities towards AA

In my country, the govenment recently tried to make companies appoint a black partner or face penalties. What ended up happening in a lot of cases is that companies would make the tea lady the partner and bump up her salary. Now they can report a significant increase in the amount a black execatives, only they are figure-heads with no actual power.

In the long run AA fucks over the people it tries to help.

>>9011
> I've been left with some doubt regarding my position after.

It seems most people here agree that AA should done away with, what did your brother argue to make you doubt your position?

The real reason black and Pakistani/Bangladeshi people are disproportionately workless is taboo.

http://www.londonspovertyprofile.org.uk/indicators/topics/work-and-worklessness/worklessness-by-gender-and-ethnicity/

A recent study showed that in hull, there are 51 applicants per job vacancy. In london it's about 0.5. The work is there.

>>10597
>It seems most people here agree that AA should done away with, what did your brother argue to make you doubt your position?
At the time he was arguing it's necessity based on past experiences. How the Civil War had to happen for slavery to be abolished, or how the civil rights movement had to happen to end segregation and establish voting rights. While I had kept the position that many things are just a matter of time and acceptance.
To put it simply, he believes the hand needs to be forced and I believe that most changes in society are inevitable. The doubt came from history kind of helping him out there.

Just give blacks and whites each their own country. There, no need anymore for affirmative action, diversity training or any of the other garbage that comes with multiculturalism and multiracialism.