794175 No.9228
Its official /polpol/ about a half hour ago Rand Paul announced he will be running for president in 2016.
Are you voting for the second coming of Ron? If not who are you backing for prez?
865c18 No.9230
>2012 + 6
>voting
All democratic/republic jokes aside
The first spoiler WAS the joke, fuck voting
ea5061 No.9231
I really like Rand. As far as real politik goes, he is the best US player in a long time. He learned from his fathers mistakes, integrated into the GOP, and still remains true to his values while compromising effectively.
But sadly he will not be allowed to win the primary. His ideas are too dangerous to the establishment.
I think the best chance for a return to protecting individual liberties right now is Scott Walker as president, paired with Rand as VP.
2ee1fb No.9233
i know this is /polpol/ and a higher level of discourse is encouraged but seriously lads
>2015
>believing in the democratic system
>thinking they will allow anyone with the will to fix the country to run let alone win
794175 No.9236
>>9231He has a shot in the NH primaries. Have you heard about the free state project? Rand seems like he would be right up their alley, and they have an infrastructure set up there already as well as a plan to get 10s of thousands of members to move to NH hopefully before primaries.
https://freestateproject.org/ f83a2d No.9237
>>9233Democracy will work well if the media doesn't manipulate people.
2cbe93 No.9238
He will probably be purposefully ignored in all the media coverage like his dad. And even if it goes to a close race, I'm sure some court will sanction the other goy to win.
As a yuropoor, I do not see really anything drastic coming from USA politics that is anything short of open rebellion when shit eventually hits the fan.
610e6f No.9242
>rand
>anywhere as based as ron
>still believes we should imprison snowden
Still voting for gary Johnson.
2ee1fb No.9244
>>92371912 was the year democracy ended in the US, media manipulation is only one component of the control network.
doesnt matter who the media tells you to vote for when every candidate is vetted through a corrupt system and only those in pockets of the elite are allowed to run.
b75a5d No.9247
I agree that he has learned from his fathers mistakes. He has wooed better who he needs to woo…and his true intentions are somewhat secret. I can understand why people don't trust him, he clearly is playing for his own team.
But I think that due to who his father is, the fact that he is also intelligent and considering his voting record, I would be willing to give him a chance.
The other options are not too good anyway. In b4 lol voting
ce362e No.9252
>>9242Snowden helped leak documents concerning national defence not just
THE GOVERNMENT IS SPYING ON YOU babble. Leaking proprietary information is illegal and for good reason. If you do that to a company they will sue you, if you do that to a government they will imprison you.
The government did a lot shit it shouldn't have but that doesn't excuse acts of treason. We should try and fix government, we shouldn't reward traitors.
865c18 No.9255
>>9252How can problems that need to be fix, become apparent if a government does not have transparency?
ea5061 No.9256
>>9242That's the key, the masses do NOT like based. Remember Ron is his father and role model, he will be a guiding light on policy if Rand wins while maintaining the 'clean' image that Rand has worked hard to develop because he will be at a distance.
Also, consider the fact that Snowden was initially complicit in the unconstitutional surveillance of domestic citizens. I'd say that's a big crime.
Not to mention how his whole stunt turned out in the end. Either he was a pawn in an anti-NSA ploy by the CIA, the centerpiece of the biggest psyop ever pulled off, or a defector to the Russians. None of those look very good when examined in an objective light.
ea5061 No.9260
>>9236I hve heard of it, if I wasn't in the most conservative state in the Midwest I would consider going.
Don't get me wrong, I'll be out promoting him as best as I can. I just don't have true hope any more after the blatant cyber attacks against Romney's campaign apparati on Election Day and mass reports of rigging the electronic voting systems in 2012 (which are conveniently owned and operated by kike-extraordinare George Soros)
610e6f No.9261
>>9256idunno, if CIA is anti NSA, they sound slightly based there, even if the CIA is fucking shit around the world 24/7 for no good reason other to get people mad at us and destabilize countries.
I liked ron a lot, and personally, rand doesn't do the same for me. There are many things (like amnesty) I don't agree with following johnson, but he's a very respectable fellow and other than ron, is the only self made man out of any presidential nominee.
I'm a classical liberal with a slight nationalistic slant. Maybe paleocon would be a better name for that.
ce362e No.9264
>>9255But we know the functions of the NSA, we knew enough to fix the system but we didn't. American surveillance is legitimatised by Congress. Obama is no Nixon. The problem lies with your elected officials who have the power to create and repeal these laws. The violations of executive agencies like the NSA are a direct consequence of Congress's complicit behaviours.
A government should never be completely transparent and no modern government is. Should the United States government be more transparent? Hell yeah, but the key is in knowing where to stop. Snowden doesn't and that's why he's in Russia.
794175 No.9268
>>9260> mass reports of rigging in the electronic voting system. Yeah I've heard some scarry stuff about how easy those are to tamper with. I'm hoping they have enough people to observe all the polling stations for "voter irregularity" We had many stations around us not checking id's at polling stations until they were called out on it by observers. Only then did they begrugingly do it.
b2027d No.9272
At this point i wouldn't even be surprised if they committed mass voting fraud.
They already shit so much on the people and i haven't forgotten those Diebold machine shenanigans yet.
b2027d No.9273
>>9272>For years, researchers have been aware of numerous security flaws in electronic voting machines. They've found ways to hack the machines to swap votes between candidates, reject ballots or accept 50,000 votes from a precinct with just 100 voters.
>Yet on Nov. 6, millions of voters – including many in hotly contested swing states – will cast ballots on e-voting machines that researchers have found are vulnerable to hackers. What is more troubling, say some critics, is that election officials have no way to verify that votes are counted accurately because some states do not use e-voting machines that produce paper ballots. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/22/electronic-voting-machines-2012_n_1992992.htmlIt's Huffingtonshit but they have it sourced, so you can check it if you feel like it.
da4260 No.9487
>>9228>>Are you voting for the second coming of Ron?Yeah, I didn't like Rand at first because he felt like a watered down version Ron (I was a Ron supporter in 2008).
But I'm really warming up to him as someone who has his own ideas. So yes, he is my top pick for pres atm.
2d83cf No.9504
>>9261I agree it's good to fuck with the NSA, but the CIA way outpace them in terms of seriously evil plots. The NSA is a one trick pony which was pretty much neutered in one fell swoop. But as you said Central Intelligence can and will overthrow entire government in absolute secrecy. And the last time somebody tried to fuck with them? Old Jack got his dome popped by a .30-06 slug. The bastards run the country, literally. Even Barack Obama worked for them, two years at Business International Corporation, a proven CIA front.
So I'd say I fear that option the most.
What you have to understand about Rand is that he is Paul Lite. I know /pol/acks don't like this, but consider the fact Ron never stood a chance because he tried to change the game. And he lost, 3 times. The family has learned that they need to lie and posture like the other politicians if they want to get the power to help our country. Please consider the complexity of our national politics has shifted radically in the last 6 years. Rand actually has a chance to win the nomination because he is willing to play the establishment's game, but thanks to the landscape shift his limited government stance can be out in the open. Just that makes him a cut above all other candidates.
If nothing else, he will be the least of all evils.
2d83cf No.9505
>>9268>>9272They absolutely did this in 2012. Hundreds of reports that people chose Romney on the machine and when they were moved to the confirmation screen the vote had changed to Obama.
Do everything in your power to use a paper ballot placed in to a sealed container.
2d83cf No.9507
>>9273Yep there was actually a computer scientist who testified before a congressional committee that the systems had been COMPLETELY compromised as early as the 2004 election. And they did nothing. Bastards deserve to hang for high crimes against the office and betrayal of their oath and people.
5c6e30 No.9518
>>9228>>9228There can be no hamster rationalization about this.
Similar video.
This man IS politically correct.
And that is why there wont be any change with him.
Not even gun rights, since whatever executive orders Obama or the others have made have been long repealed or expired. Unless Rand here wants to piss off a huge number of GOP investors who make profit from the NFA and other ATF bullshits.
ff85fc No.9536
>>9252Not true.
Edward Snowden released a vast quantity of documents to journalists, and he then gave them the responsibility of going through it carefully so that no defense secrets are compromised.
Of course, they will complain that he jeopardized national security. They have no credibility.
Our national security is jeopardized with every dollar that goes to Israel, every troop stationed in Saudi Arabia and the Middle East, and every innocent who dies by drone strike.
That's our problem. Not the Edward Snowdens who have to go outlaw because our government does not allow for whistleblowers.
5c6e30 No.9543
ff85fc No.9546
I would be willing to give Rand a chance and my vote, but I will make no real efforts on behalf of his campaign.
IMHO, the best case would be either Rand or Hillary.
Rand would bring some positive changes, and might turn out to be 80% of the man his father is, which would easily make him one of the best presidents in history.
Hillary would continue the process that Barack Obama did where the country got more and more divided, and begin a chain reaction of secession movements, and possibly a massive radicalization of society not in the leftist sense
5c6e30 No.9551
>>9544He could have just said terrorists.
But he used the word "Palestine" very specifically.
This is very sad.
I mean kebabs in Europe are pretty shit but we are talking about innocents in their land here.
And lolbertarians are already revel in their "fuck kebabs" slogan. Probably remnants fromt the retards at Halfchan's /k/.
4890d8 No.9584
d0d27a No.9632
>>9264Snowden is in Russia because the government is ran by a bunch of communists trying to "enrich" the country and he provided documents showing that.
2e00cd No.9635
The GOP is already running a smear campaign comparing Rand to Obama.
9c0f29 No.9636
>>9635What's their bullshit arguement for that? I wanna know?
2e00cd No.9637
>>9635That he supports Iran having nukes and doesn't care about Israel. He also wants to cut the military budget which will leave us open to more terrorist attacks.
Supposedly that makes him a 'Right-Wing Obama'.
Saw the ad air on Fox News earlier.
f385c3 No.9640
>>9637>You know what honey, that GOP ad was right, I'm voting for Hillary I know she supports Israel 6741b4 No.9645
>>9230>>9233>>9244These. I was really enjoying how /polpol/ wasn't in on the usual "RED TEAM IS REALLY GONNA FIX IT THIS TIME GUISE", but it looks like I can never escape it how hard I try. Let me give a hauntingly accurate /pol/ prediction; If Rand Paul is elected, nothing will get better. Things will get worse. If Rand Paul does not get elected, things will not get better. Things will get worse. Our system is broken.
b9f953 No.9650
obama third term of course
f385c3 No.9651
f1153c No.9657
>>9228Let's just vote for Shillary or Jeb. They'll put the country so far down the shitter that it'll have to Happen.
37705c No.9660
Voting for a president in <2015 matters about as much as who's the Emperor in 400 AD. The best we can do is ensure our personal and familial affairs are settled. Let the dogs fight over the scraps in the White House.
b65e3a No.9687
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
>>9635>>9636>>9637>>9640Go vote this shit down, goyim. There is zero info about this group on their site, but news reports about it say it's fronted by the guy who did the swiftboat campaign. I can see the phone call in my mind:
>ring, ring>hello?>(high nasal voice): He's going to run. Activate it. >Yes, Mr. Rosenschlubfarbshekelschwanzsteinberg.>Hangs up phone.>Gets little black book with numbers for thai ladyboy/8 year old black midget massage parlor and Fox News advertising department.>ring, ring>Hello?>Morty, this is Bill. Run the ad. 180707 No.9693
>>9273>mfw my state still used paper ballotsThank god. Now if only it allowed write ins.
>>9487If he didn't come off as watered down he wouldn't stand a chance at winning.
>>9504>.30-06 slugShotguns shoot slugs. That was just a bullet stop talking like a retarded faggot.
>>9518>>9543>>9544IF he didn't do this he wouldn't stand a chance at winning.
>>9551Just because isreal sucks doesn't mean Palestinians are any better. I went to school with a bunch of them and they aren't any better than niggers. They were actually worse than the niggers that we had at my highschool.
55dc28 No.9695
>>9687do you realize what you have unearthed?
That attack advertisement… oh my god
6ebac2 No.9698
Just watched the interview
The guy sold himself out
I hope he's just doing this to have a chance
55dc28 No.9699
6ebac2 No.9703
>>9699He just said that this isn't true
That the US shouldn't trust Iran
That Israel is our greatest ally
That he voted in favor of Iran's sanctions
He is backpedaling at everything he said in the past
16b155 No.9713
>>9230um.. 2012 + 6 = 2018.
you would be voting in 2016
wat
f9a270 No.9744
>>9228no I am not a stupid goy that believes in the scam of voting and democracy
The banks and laws will continue being owned by certain knows
09514b No.9757
>>9687>Any middle-eastern country>Legitimate threat to the USAlel
Expert-tier fear-mongering though
5c6e30 No.9759
>>9699>All these Romney tier flip floppingKEKEKEKEKKEK
48feb8 No.9772
It's far too early for me to make up my mind (we even know who will ultimately be on the ballot), but Rand seems like a decent choice. I'm not convinced yet, though.
61db7d No.9814
Rand is my Stand
So I'll Stand with Rand
2d83cf No.9855
>>9693As a matter of fact a shotgun can fire a number of different types of rounds; mainly slug shells, birdshot shells, and buckshot shells. The term 'slug' refers to any solid single-projectile round used in a firearm. Thus, the actual bullets fired from rifle cartridges are also slugs. Stop projecting your insecurities.
2eb6e0 No.9887
9b4230 No.9898
>>9228>Are you voting for the second coming of Ron?He's not Ron v2.0. And no I'm not going to vote for him. He prayed at the wailing wall.
>If not who are you backing for prez?I'll have to see if there are any WN's or NS's running for president. Hopefully Merlin Miller gets on the ballot like he did last time.
c37197 No.9925
well first of all it's not a democracy, it's a republic.
second, whoever is the lp candidate will more than likely get my vote. although I will also be voting for rand in the primaries.
none of this matters anyway though. obama will stay in office for a third term with the help of that emergency powers act or whatever it was that bush signed.
they're planning something big in september.
cc2af3 No.10361
>>9228I'd vote for Scott Walker or Rand Paul but all the other potential candidates are too shit tier. My suspicion is that it doesn't matter though.
We probably reached the tipping point sometime after 2004 where the democrats have cultivated such a large underclass horde of vibrant gimme dat voters that they can win any presidential election. In 2008, Bush had fucked up so bad with the Iraq war that any democrat would have won. In 2012 though people were really pissed off at Obama. It was close but Rmoney should've been able to eke out a victory given the frustration that people had with the still stagnant economy and Obamacare getting rammed through. The funny thing is that in the midterm years the republicans have been doing well. Thats not necessarily unusual, but it may show that the shit tier democratic "low information" voters are not capable of understanding how power in Washington works and don't realize the importance of voting in the midterms. If thats the case, that means that no republican candidate can win the White House ever again and the problem will be compounded by the false hope created in the midterm victories.
I was skeptical about whether or not Rand would give it a try. If he wins the primary, that may mean giving up the opportunity to run for re-election in his senate seat and being forced out of government completely if he loses the presidential run. These guys have to be seeing the same demographic stats that we are seeing. They are also painfully aware of Rmoney's 47% stat. Ron Paul is already openly talking about secession. Rand Paul running for president may be the one last try before the paleocon/rightwing libertarian group throws in the towel and starts working towards a well organized secession movement.
cabc17 No.10377
>>9228Both parties are solidly anti-working class and even anti-middle class. Rand Paul is basically a populist and I think that's what we need right now.
That he's also against mass surveillance and new stupid wars is just icing on the cake.
ee75ab No.10448
fab30d No.10451
>>10361Same here Rand Paul is my first choice the ScottWalker as a close second.
2e00cd No.11141
The Anti-Rand agenda on the MSM news channels today is how he hates women.
They keep replaying old interviews where he says 'Shh' or talks over obnoxious female anchors.
ac231d No.11891
watch for strange accident to take his life.
dce47c No.11895
Neocons hate the Pauls. They don't give a shit about any of the others, such as Johnson or Cruz, because they don't have a chance.
Voting for Paul.
a37827 No.11896
Remind me why I would vote for a jewish puppet again?
Or vote for one of the two big jewish front politicial parties?
d4a070 No.11904
It still surprises me the US has only a two party system
I mean, we have 'six party system' (read: two party) but we're not the most powerful country on earth now are we
487200 No.12596
Sorry for the bad news, but let me line this up for you:
It's going to be Jeb Bush vs Hillary Clinton. Maybe you'll be able to vote for a Jesse Ventura or Gary Johnson Libertarian. Otherwise it's going to be a shit-show with Hershey's chocolate topping.
Ready your forks fellas!
0495b9 No.12601
honestly, what are his chances?
I don't say that to be defeatist, I am actually wondering.
696292 No.12602
>>12596>Bush vs Clinton>in 20fucking16If the people don't rise up and start parading politicians through the streets similar to the Cultural Revolution, then they deserve everything that comes to them.
cc2af3 No.12605
>>12601He's got three major problems:
1) The republican establishment hates him and so do the big jew donators. He can probably raise a shit ton of money from libertarians just like his father, but the republican insiders are going to spend a lot of money to smear him from day one of the primaries.
2) The republican party is full of retard grade evangelical christians who value Israel over their own country. The entire primary could turn into a best goy contest that Rand can't win.
3) Even if he gets the official candidacy, we may have too many 'diverse' voters for any republican candidate to win.
His chances seem pretty slim. The only thing that could really save the republicans at this point is if the SJWs sabotage the democrats for going with Clinton over a more tumblr tier candidate. It would be akin to the shitshow of the 1968 convention but way gayer.
36e7d0 No.12615
>>12605Don't forget that the big money Repubs will cheat their way through the primaries like Romney did against Ron Paul. Doesn't even matter if you are popular with the actual voting base if your opponents just pay to bus in hired voters or hands out fraudulent voting guides that cause people to vote for the opposite candidate of the one they wanted.
cc2af3 No.12619
>>12615To an extent this is true and that will almost certainly happen again. It is funny though that Jeb Bush tried to pull this kind of shit at the CPAC straw poll this year and still came in 5th place.
36e7d0 No.12623
>>12619Yeah, you'd think that he'd be able to rig something like that without a problem since he already rigged a presidential election.
f0dcc2 No.12715
>>9759>Flip-flopping from subversive opinions to mainstream as he's gearing up for a presidential election.Do you honestly think he's become some sort of ZOG puppet in the last few months?
This is standard politics. While I'm disappointed that he doesn't stick fast to his guns like his father, in my heart I know he doesn't have a chance otherwise.
e94e32 No.12728
The right:
>i'm going to vote for jeb bush because the other candidates aren't electable!
>no don't do that vote for Rand paul! he's principled and electable!
>no don't do that, vote for Gary Johnson. Rand is just a shadow of his fathers' integrity!
>no don't do that, vote for Marco Rubio, we need the hispanic vote to win and that's the only way we can do it!
The left:
>SHILLARY SHILLARY SHILLARY SHILLARY SHILLARY SHILLARY SHILLARY
The ability of the left to throw all their other contenders under the bus and rally behind one symbol is effective and, while the mainstream doesn't admit it, their coalition of single mothers, white guilt aficionados, communists, black people, and other minorities are really only unified by what they hate: conservative white males.
If this can succeed, then Fascism can succeed by defining itself by what it hates.
1d8170 No.12729
>>9228>supporting a shabbos goyI thought shills weren't allowed on /polpol/
Mods?
1d8170 No.12730
>>12715>he's become some sort of ZOG puppet in the last few monthsNo, he's always supported israel.
860338 No.12731
I shill for Hil
d6abb9 No.13390
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
>hes not a libertarian
>laughing-girls.jpeg
seriously, /polpol/?
You guys are still edgy fascists who think Hitler was anything more than a psychopath who had a few accomplishments before systematically killing a bunch of people for things they didn't do?
Top fucking kek.
If you're not voting for Rand or whoever the libertarian party nominates, you might as well tie a noose right now and an hero.
Seriously, America's only lifeline right now is Ron Jr., who has settled nicely into the Republicans and will probably get the nomination if you faggots pull together for once and actually try and get some support out there.
4978b8 No.14896
Surprised this thread hasn't been bumped since the filibuster
Every Rand thread on /pol/ is getting spammed to hell with the same three or four posts endlessly claiming he's a kike.
Bumping for discussion
9c0f29 No.14914
The continuing jewish problem (in regards to Israeli support), I'd still probably vote for him. The filibuster at least proved to me he's willing to put his ass on the line, and that gives me hope that he won't abandon his fathers ways completely. He can't stop what's going to happen, not by a long shot, but a brief reprieve is all we need right now.
That said, on the long road to real electoral races he has plenty of time to compromise and ruin every political point he could ever have, but until then he's definitely a buy for me.
>>14896
Well he does fucking support Israel, and ignoring that great caveat people have about him will just make you look like a fool. But in the land of the blind, the one eyed man is king, and voting for anyone else would be far worse.
5c6e30 No.14975
>>13390
>Begging for nutzi votes
>Still manage to insult
…
834cc5 No.14977
Do people really think he's not controlled? Yeah, I get it, his image is better, but if he wins that was tptb plan from the start.
Election politics are a farce and it gets very tiring going through this shit every 4 years. Everybody ends up disappointed no matter what happens (either your candidate loses, or they win and turn out to be something different than you expected). Everybody then says they are done with it forever. 4 years later everybody is lining up to board the hype train all over again. Never fails
bf2713 No.14981
>>9228
>Are you voting for the second coming of Ron?
He's nowhere close to the "second coming of Ron".
He's a Zionist.
Sorry, I don't vote for Zionists.
>If not who are you backing for prez?
If Merlin Miller is on the ballot in my state again, I'll vote for him. Otherwise I just might write in Adolf Hitler.
6fa239 No.14989
those that control 26% of the 51% needed to win will pay their way into the presidency.
>gonna vote for Paul
a9094c No.14997
>>14914
>Well he does fucking support Israel, and ignoring that great caveat people have about him will just make you look like a fool. But in the land of the blind, the one eyed man is king, and voting for anyone else would be far worse.
I guess he does, but, there is a difference between being diplomatic and supporting Israel as an "ally," and being a full on kike shill who will support a kike agenda in the US (i.e. the cultural marxist agenda, the abolishment of any last traces of the capitalist state, etc. etc.) what's being shilled hard is the latter idea that he's a "kike shill" and the evidence for that seems very flimsy.
The same four things keep getting spammed endlessly
1) he had a "positive" meeting with Sheldon Adelson
2) he supported a bill to cut aid to Palestine
3) he calls Israel an ally on his website
4) he visited the Wailing Wall and had a "positive trip" to Israel
One is a diplomatic trip, I put no stock into that one. Another is a meeting with a powerful figure in the world of politics, which is an inevitability for anybody campaigning for president, he can't not meet the important Jews. The only one here that raises a slight red flag is the aid, but he's said repeatedly he wants to phase out aid to all foreign countries eventually, so even this is in line with his political philosophy.
Long story short, yes it's clear he sees Israel as an ally, as does 90% of the US population and every member of the US government. But the evidence for him being a covert kike shill seems very weak, especially in comparison with the other candidates and in light of how the media avoids covering him, and, so, the endless spam posts in his threads of the same few posts over and over again seem like a very dedicated attempt to cut out his support from the hard right of the internet.
0290b0 No.15056
99f83d No.15075
>>14977
This, i'll vote as a fuck you to shillary but in the end even if he wins which I highly doubt nothing will change. He would still needs congresses approvalif he wants anything legitimate to get done and if he dares to meddle with israel in any way its either impeachment or an "accident while working out".
99f83d No.15076
>>9237
Non corrupted media is a fantasy. All men are fallible and eventually some big network will get bought out and the other networks will be filled with enough envy to throw their morals out of the window and the cycle continues.
1fd2dc No.15084
>>9244
>1912
>not 1828
I like Jackson, damn fine president, but his populist election tactics murdered any chance that America would be governed by level heads instead of a rabble placated with goodies.
a5486c No.15310
>>9247
>that horse
>in dallas