/polpol/ - Politically Incorrect Discussion

The way you put it makes it seem like Zionism is fucking great. There are two problems though. The first is that not all the jews will accept zionism. The second is that moving to Israel isn't going to solve any country's jewish problem. Netanyahu still goes to the US congress to remind his slaves who they really work for from time to time. Any of the big business kikes would still fuck with other countries even if their home base was in Israel. They play both fields. They fucking love nationalism, but they want to make sure no one else can practice nationalism. It's not enough that they succeed, but everyone else has to fail. This is their mantra.

>>9445
Like you said, not all Jews are accepting of Zionism. That means many big business kikes are not on Netanyahu's side.
When Netanyahu recently called all European Jews to come to Israel in light of the Islamic attacks on European synagogues, his fiercest condemnation came from the leftists and the liberal Jews that control them.

The problem there seems to be not Zionism but rather a lack of it.

>>9457
We have let it become one. It's difficult to find an American that disagrees with Israel.

>>9451

At risk of being called a shill, I think a good argument can be made of the forcing of a jewish homeland considering we want to see the enforcement and maintenance of white cultural homelands.

Jews are oppressed the mantra says, okay, well go somewhere where you won't be. All of you. Every last one. And let the jews sort out jew issues in their new jewish homeland. Why they would want to stay somewhere where everyone hates them is beyond me.

Jew checking in.

I don't even know where to begin to start with this thread.

First of all, I'm an American. That's where my loyalty lies because I believe in the founding principles and ideals of the nation. Whole different debate on who is stripping that away and why: and no, it's not the Jews.

It's nice that Israel exists because if Hillary Clinton or whomever starts rounding u[ white CIS scum and putting them into camps (to people who are anti-white, Jews might as well be white), in theory I have somewhere to go. But I'm not Israeli, I have no ties to Israel, as far as I'm concerned it's a foreign country.

FWIW I disagree with most of Israeli policy, I think the problem is the Fundamentalist Jews have too much power and basically have some sort of Jewish Fascism going on. I was reading an article where they kicked people out of a public park for bringing in rolls during passover – thats bullshit, not all Jews observe dietary restrictions… and in fact MOST Jews worldwide (myself include) don't obey stuff like kosher laws.

>preach degeneracy and meddling in Western politics

I don't know what you think most Jews do, but in North America we're pretty assimilated and want the same shit as everyone else – freedom, liberty, transparent government, politicians that put country before corporations, etc.

I will go on to say if you white nationalists were smart you'd ally with assimilated Jews against the cultural shitstorm that is being inflicted against our country. A lot of organized Jewish religion is complete hypocritical bullshit (I think a lot of religions suffer this fate), and people in the "I'm an American, but happen to be Jewish" category absolutely see it.

/in before JIDF

>>9484

Will also say even in Nazi Germany, a lot of assimilated or mischling Jews got passes, especially ones working in scientific fields. It's a bit silly to be *more* "gas the kikes" than Hitler was ever accused of being.

>>9484
>>9485
>First of all, I'm an American. That's where my loyalty lies because I believe in the founding principles and ideals of the nation. Whole different debate on who is stripping that away and why: and no, it's not the Jews.

You're partially right, and it's not about the typical Jew, but Jewish people have been involved along with Cultural Marxism, corporations and a generally sick and corrupted government that's easily blackmailed or bribed out.

These Jews I speak of have been the catalyst of why nations since the dawn of man have looked at other Jews like yourself with such suspicion, harsh reaction, rejection and hate, but it certainly hadn't been unwarranted and the Jewish intellectuals that take an extremist spin off of the Talmud that are in high places and elite ARE a real thing.

The prospect of America and it's ideals is anything anyone could say they would like, but if you are aware of the things around us you know they certainly are being slowly plucked away and shaped, all of these influences I have stated must be expunged if we would like to fix the name of America.

>>9560
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>The prospect of America and it's ideals is anything anyone could say they would like, but if you are aware of the things around us you know they certainly are being slowly plucked away and shaped, all of these influences I have stated must be expunged if we would like to fix the name of America.

So do you mean expunge all Jews, or just some of them :p

>>9484
You know when we're mad at the Jews we're mad at the Jews with power right? You have to know that.

>>9643
>You know when we're mad at the Jews we're mad at the Jews with power right? You have to know that.

I'm mad at the Jews in power too. Well, I'm mad at the people in power and because we're talking about media and wall street, a lot of those people happen to be Jews.

But to be perfectly honest, as someone who browses and posts on /pol/ and /polpol/ and pretty up front about being Jew in the relevant threads (otherwise I'd be being deceitful, right?) there seems to be an irrational hatred towards all Jews, everywhere. Rather than a rational hatred of specific individuals or organizations.

Vaguely related link. I swear I despise Israel, but I personally wish my country had the courage to do the exact same thing.

Israel gives African migrants ultimatum
https://archive.today/WQhuI

>Jerusalem - Israel is set to force illegal African migrants to choose between leaving to a “safe third-party” country in Africa or face imprisonment, the interior ministry said.
>A statement from the ministry's population and immigration authority said the measure would apply to migrants currently at the southern Holot detention centre, “who infiltrated Israel and cannot be expelled to their country of origin”.

Zionism isn't just about building a state for the Jews, it's about artificially fulfilling the prophecies of the Old Testament, which ultimately boil down to building a world government run from Jerusalem under which all Goyim must either serve the Jews as slaves or be destroyed (see e.g. Isaiah chapters 60 & 61).

>>9484
Hello Jewish friend just want to put my voice here and say I'm glad you have this attitude, and remind you that this board isn't wholly antisemitic. I have always considered Jews and Japanese to be brother races to the Europeans, we have very similar mental makeups from what I can see. May our nation continue to grow strong through cooperation and preservation of true diversity.

Out of curiosity who would you blame the stripping of our civil
liberties and inalienable rights on?

>>10794
>Hello Jewish friend just want to put my voice here and say I'm glad you have this attitude, and remind you that this board isn't wholly antisemitic. I have always considered Jews and Japanese to be brother races to the Europeans, we have very similar mental makeups from what I can see. May our nation continue to grow strong through cooperation and preservation of true diversity.
Your a Jew and you are trying to manipulate the consensus.

>>10795
Well I am partially golem but I'm not manipulating consensus, I simply got tired of all the retarded Jew-hating on this site and decided to speak up. I love the Unites States and I want any allies I can get in preserving the strength of our nation. I despise the Zionist elites as much as as
the other elites and would gladly see them hang, but you've got blinders on concerning the destruction of our liberties.

The ruling class is the problem. You distract yourself and alienate allies by scapegoating an entire race. The political elite contains all sorts of colors and religious, all equally evil and in need of removal.

>>10805
>of all the retarded Jew-hating on this site and decided to speak up
Name one such "retarded" instance or theme. You think any of the hatred and criticism towards them is unfounded? You are either uneducated or ignorant.
You think you are being "reasonable" and diplomatic by what you are saying but in the end you are just showing your ignorance of the jewish issue, or you're just trying to back-pedal on the issue for whatever reason. Truth doesn't care about your friendliness towards the jewry, who are the true culprits no matter how you spin it.

>>10805
No one seriously believes all Jews are bad or are in on this fold of nepotism. But its not our fault that the people who are doing really bad shit happen to be Jewish, or are working in their interest.

>>10805
>Well I am partially golem but I'm not manipulating consensus,
Trying to use humor as a tool not to awnser a question.

Are you Jewish, yes, no or partially..

>The ruling class is the problem. You distract yourself and alienate allies by scapegoating an entire race.
OOOHHHH - it's not the poor Jews who own our banks and media and extort holocaust money from us, who are the problem!

No… it's the rulling class…. A rulling class mostly made out of jews……

>>10809
Well the most recent case I've seen was people looking desperately to connect the Germanwings crash to the Jews.

You're also putting words in my mouth, so let's clear that up. I clearly stated that there are lots of instances where Jewish elites are at fault for plots of cultural Marxism. So no, I don't think "any hatred or criticism is unwarranted". I never said anything close to that.

My point is that a default assumption of Jewish guilt is intellectually dishonest and can blind you in in cases where white elites perpetrate a plot. I'm not back peddling or ignorant, I'm a skeptic who evaluates issues with as little bias as possible.

Being diplomatic and reasonable is the mature individuals conduct themselves man. I am willing to bet that in person your zeal prevents people from taking your words to heart even on the most obvious of issues, for example Holocaust revisionism.

You speak of truth yet are blind to the obvious problem of white, black, and all other elites who work alongside the elite Jews to further their own power, not just that of Isreal.

>>10898
>Well the most recent case I've seen was people looking desperately to connect the Germanwings crash to the Jews.
Really, haven't noticed that.

>>10850
I wasn't avpiding the question mate, I said I have golem blood. ill spell it out for you. Genetically, I have German Jews on my fathers side. I'm a theist agnostic who was raised in a Christian home and have never been in a temple. Most importantly I am an American nationalist.

You do realize that the banking system is not exclusively Jewisn owned right? They may control a little more than half sure but that just demonstrates my point. Almost half of the system is controlled by other elites. The ruling class does not care about race other than using it as a tool to divide the prols.

>>10925
I see you're now attacking me with your silly ad hominem, so I assume you're unable to think of a reasonable response to my line of questioning.

For the record, you'll have to put my cold dead body in an oven if you're going to cleanse me at all. Best of luck getting through my booby-trapped yard innawoods.

Also you know the camps didn't gas people right?

>>10794
>Out of curiosity who would you blame the stripping of our civil
>liberties and inalienable rights on?

Politicians believing that government is an actor independent of the will of the people, and whose purpose is to serve and protect itself rather than the citizens it supposedly represents. Everybody "close" to power– corporations, wall street, politicians – are enriched by it, and everybody far from power are at best ignored by it and at worst exploited and abused by it. This is exactly the relationship between nobles and peasants to traditional European monarchies.

I am pretty lucky in that government has chosen ignore me, based on some combination of race/class/profile (warrant-less wiretaps and secret surveillance not withstanding). But I suffer no illusions that if by bad luck or by the whim of some random government agent it was decided I was a "person of interest" I could simply disappear off the face of the earth. I have no human rights my government is not above violating.

Even writing this, I am wondering if I should simply delete the post and move on. Nothing in this post is particularly threatening, and it's just like, my opinion man. But there is some small chance an NSA agent browsing 8ch for lulz had a bad breakfast this morning, or got in a fight with his/her spouse, decides its time to ruin my life. This is the risk we all face, and the only reason it's *not* happening is government simply doesn't have the bandwidth to simple treat everyone like a criminal as an a priori fact. This is not a philosophical problem for the ruling class, it is only a (currently) unsolved logistical one.

>>10953
I don't really have anything to add here but it's great to see suh a well thought out post. I agree completely, we are ruled by a corporate/political oligarchy these days and the rulers are willing to do anything to maintain power.

I will say I have the same concerns about becoming a person of interest, but I refuse to be cowed. I am still am still a free citizen and will exercise t rights as I am entitled to. I won't allow a psyop like the Sniwden leaks to silence me, especially while a Minority Report type system is logistically impossible. Other than that all we can do is prepare do he future and learn from the past

>>9442
American Jew here. Like with colonists and the American Indians, the first major inklings of trouble between Jewish settlers and Palestinians started to emerge with different definitions of land ownership in the fall of the Ottoman Empire and collapse of feudalism/tenant farming. The Palestinians (similar to the American Indians) had communal shares of land that was owned by Ottoman lords back in Turkey and arable land was rotated among a group of farmers so that everyone could get a fair share of the harvest. I was told that the Ottomans (who were pretty desperate for money) sold land rights to the European Jews without any disclosure or negotiations with the current tenants on the land. Basically, the Jewish settlers came in (thinking that their time on the land was permanent) and dug trenches similar to Western-style irrigation systems. The Palestinians (still operating on the notion of tenant farming) demanded that the land be rotated, which the Jews argued against. This problem started back in the 1870s and 1880s

My only problem with Zionism was setting up a Jewish state in the Palestine. Had a Jewish state been placed in Madagascar, Chile, or Argentina many problems would have been avoided with the Muslim world. Heck, the Jewish Autonomous Oblast could have become its own independent state despite being sandwiched between China and the USSR. In addition, many European Jews also suggested immigrating to America so that Jewish culture could be kept in the home, but others wanted to make an appeal for a state under an assumed national Jewish identity.

>>9445
>They play both fields. They fucking love nationalism, but they want to make sure no one else can practice nationalism. It's not enough that they succeed, but everyone else has to fail. This is their mantra.
To be fair, this is true for some Muslim culture as well

>>10999
>My only problem with Zionism was setting up a Jewish state in the Palestine.
The only place for a Jewish state is the land of Israel. The Arabs are not the first people to lose land nor will they be the last. They should get over it.

>>10947
>so I assume you're unable to think of a reasonable response to my line of questioning.
What line of reasoning, your claim that the fact that the Jews own little more then half of the banks is somehow proof, they don't control the economy?

Here we got the kikish element in your psychological build that is dominant.

Any sane white person would see a small group of Jews owning half the banks as proof, that the economy is controlled by the Jews.

But like the Jew you are, you turn that around and claim that that in fact means that the Jews do not control the economy!!

That is a good example of chutzpah and proves your Jewish side is clearly dominant.

This also makes it clear why any discussion with you is going to pointless, because you will lie, twist around and stretch and concept, just so that it benefits the Jews.

>>11003
The problem now is you have several generations of Israelis who descended from European Jews and know nothing else but the land of Israel, so it would be kind of fucked up to kick them out. Both people have legitimate claims to land rights as illustrated in the below copypsta from /cow/. Honestly, a two state solution around the 1967 borders and an International Zone around Jerusalem is the only way to fix the problem now, but the Arab world is getting butthurt over that (and the "greater Arab World" and "Palestine" are two VERY separate entities, let me tell you)


>(said /cow/ pasta)
Just historically innacurate, but simpler than breaking it down to cities when referring to the occupied territory vs proper. America is the same way. Little bits were uninhabited such as Jamestown. The rest is occupied. But then different tribes we're displracing and eating eachb other all over the continent before this wave of Europeans got there… no Indians we're never Asians. people have been coming here for thousands of years. The first people to ever make the return trip however were the Vikings. Continent is a natural prison unless you can fly or design a boat that can handle the return. Unlike the middle east which is why just about every foreign province has ruled over it at some point. You have to go back over a thousand years to find a self governed Palestine. The Palestinians are all a mix of people who came through the trade routes. Like a reverse Jew to the territory.

No one's right about it. No one has historical rights to the entire territory. Let's nuke it.

>>11004
Just curious, are you capable of debating without trying to attack my character? It's immature and takes credence from your opinion. It also doesn't bother me at all.

Please explain how politically diverse groups of elite Jews owning a subsection of banks that compete against each other gives Jews as a whole control over the entire global economy.

Also, please present a rebuddal to the fact that the most recent major loan robbery plot ('08 subprime loan financial crisis) was perpetrated by JP Morgan Chase; a company majority-owned and managed by Jamie Dimon, a white Greek.

I would like you to prove that this was organized by Jews for the sole benefit of Jews. According to your theory they control all aspects of the economy so this would have to be the case.

>>11049

>Please explain how politically diverse groups of elite Jews owning a subsection of banks that compete against each other gives Jews as a whole control over the entire global economy.

Hint: It starts with R and ends with d.

>>11056
>>11049

One thing I've learned in my live is that super-rich people are weird. When you have much money, any power, sex, money fantasy your brain can think of is yours. Your actions literally have no consequences whatsoever. This is why there are so many pedo scandals at that level.

It's also pretty clear the super rich are all doing stuff like this, and then their biggest allegiance is covering for each other.

So, do answer your question 21a4fe I don't believe the banks really compete each other. I'm sure whatever rich person weirdo stuff they're doing binds them socially, and they work together in a MAD system dynamic.

But 3f4342 I don't think this is a "Jewish Conspiracy" per se, and the degenerate Jew stuff is all nonsense. I think a lot of this cabal happens to be Jewish because of community-based nepotism. But *plenty* of cultures have this, such as Irish or Italian or Greek or Dutch or Russian – and our Jewish Overlords could just have easily been our Irish Overlords. (And actually, Irish families and Dutch and Greek families also do control a lot of worldwide banking stuff, just not as much as Jews).

>>11126
I don't mean to be rude but the banks absolutely compete. See BRICS vs. IMF happening right now.

I'm not saying they never collude, they obviously do ('08 financial crisis was a transparent example of this). There are groups that do this but overall the system is not one of hegemony. The banking groups constantly war for greater power and influence in economies. The Jewish alliance is only one of several banking cabals, this is what I'm trying to say. We need to shift our thinking away from racial discrimination and towards power discrimination. Basically, I don't care what color the userer is; I want them to hang regardless.

>>11157
I'll consider this matter closed then. Enjoy your xenophobic pipe dreams brother. I hope one day you can open your mind to a synthesis of reason and critical thought.

>>11504
>I'll consider this matter closed then. Enjoy your xenophobic pipe dreams brother. I hope one day you can open your mind to a synthesis of reason and critical thought.
Nice example of Chutzpah!

>>11506
It seems like you're the audacious one when you claim to always be right without presenting counter arguments. Not to mention that you warped MY words when you claimed I think all criticism and hatred of Jews is unwarranted.

I'd love to believe the Jews are the only enemy but it's not that simple. I suspect you're just trolling me for admitting to having Jewish ancestors at this point.

>>11533
Yup, everything being said get's twisted again!