No.36
To protect myself, I want a cheap gun, but I don't want it to blow up in my face.
What counts as a cheap but good gun?
No.47
head over to /k/
No.50
mil-surp guns (especially ex-soviet- yugo, bulgarian, czech,etc.) are cheap and usually in very good condition (just check bore)
there is a good reason why nuggets and SKSs are /k/s weapon of choice
Hi-point and Taurus are cheap, but tend to be in questionable quality
Glocks are relatively cheap and perfectly safe to use (lol glocknade !!1)
Norico and other Chinese manufacturers widely differs piece to piece (good luck)
No.52
No.69
Kahr CT9
9mm self-loading pistol
Basic, functioning, not a huge mag, but it's cheap.
Kahr currently runs a campaign where you can get a free extra magazine.
https://www.kahr.com/Pistols/Kahr-CT9.aspIf you're really hurting for money, look for a Hi-Point, they're not pretty, they're not comfortable, they're not classy or finely put together, they're heavy, but they go bang when you pull the trigger.
No.71
>>69Is it legal to buy guns online?
Is it legal to own a gun without a license?
It seems legal, because gun shows exist. All the criminals in my neighborhood are starting to make me real nervous. I'd like to go the legitimate route for gun ownership in case I'm forced to use it.
No.73
>>71>buy guns onlineYes, but it will have to be transferred to a local gunstore (FFL), and they will often charge a small fee for this service, they run a background check when you pick one up.
Ammo and parts can be ordered to your door typically.
>licenseDepends on which state you live in.
Most states do not require any license for ownership at all, most require a license to carry a weapon on your person, but some states will let you carry as long as you're an adult.
Keep in mind, to own a firearm in the United States, you must not have been convicted of a felony (they will run a background check whenever you buy a gun at a store), you must be 18 to own a rifle or shotgun, and though you must be 21 to purchase a handgun from a store, there's no actual law prohibiting you from purchasing a pistol from a private citizen at the age of 18, or receiving one as a gift (not everyone knows this though, so they might still not want to sell to you).
Also, when purchasing or receiving a firearm from a private individual, background checks are not required (except some states).
I'd advise you to look up your local state laws.
Finally, MSRP is usually $100 or so above the market price, so the manufacturer says something cost $500, it'll probably cost something like $400 on the market, somewhat less if used.
No.74
>>73>buy guns onlineThanks, that's pretty nifty.
>licenseThanks, I'll check with my state laws.
>must not have been convicted of a felonyThat won't be a problem. I'll be protecting myself against those that have been convicted of felonies. I'm over 21.
>no law purchasing from private citizenThat's incredibly useful information.
Thanks for your help, but don't forget this is /poverty/ so it's still a big investment. To be honest, I'm not sure why this is on /poverty/ since obviously no one has the money to purchase a firearm.
I'm weighing if it is worth it. I could make 400$ go a long way. But the risk to my life at the moment is a bit above average. My only chance is to buy/trade with a local citizen (legally) or to get a good deal with a non-poorfag that feels charitable to my situation.
No.76
>>74>I'm over 21Then you're golden.
>big investmentLuckily for you, firearms are among some of the investments that almost always retain a value.
As long as a firearm is working and can kill a person, it will always have a monetary value.
400 is about as much as you'd be likely to pay in a store for a CT9, but it'll be worth it, subsist on beans, noodles, rice and spam for the next month or two if you have to, it's worth it if it can save your life.
If you're lucky, you might find one used.
Hell, another option is a Rock Island Armory 1911, can usually be had in the 300 dollar range, available in 9mm and .45, just about every part is interchangeable with other 1911 pistols, and works decently. 1911 pistols aren't for everyone, but it's a working gun.
The Kahr 9mm holds more rounds and is cheaper to shoot than the RIA, and there's the Free Mag deal, but again, comes to preference.
No.78
>>76Oh man those look nice.
If it wasn't obvious, I know nothing about firearms and wouldn't use one unless I was sure I could use it correctly. Fortunately, I grew up with a pellet/bb type gun which was kind of a clone of a police firearm and looks kind of similar to the RockIslandArmoryM1911 image - You "cock" it in the same way and I believe the safety is in the same place.
Also, I never thought about the fact that it's an item that lasts forever. Once you pay for it, you'll never have to buy another one.
Good stuff
No.80
>>78The gun should be the same.
Also, be aware of the safety rules.
Never point the gun at someone or something you do not intend to shoot.
Keep your finger off the trigger until you are shooting.
Never shoot at a target you have not identified.
Be aware of your target and what might be behind it.
Also, point a gun to warn that you're ready to use deadly force, and never use a firearm against a person unless you intend to use deadly force, no warning shots, never shoot to wound, shoot to stop, to kill.
Whether or not the perp survives is irrelevant to you, you shoot to stop, when he stops, you stop shooting him.
No.81
>>76shit nigga i bought a rock island armory 1911 and it started rusting for no reason like a day after i got it
No.83
>>81Soak it in Mineral Spirits for an hour, wipe it off, then coat all parts in Ballistol.
Good as new.
Most people like their RIA's.
No.85
>Ruger 10/22
A must have for affordable plinking, ammunition (.22LR) is cheap, and should you ever want to trick it out, the aftermarket is enormous, with cheap and expensive parts alike.
>SKS (of any communist origin)
Very cheap self-loading rifle in 7.62x39mm (AK-47 cartridge), has a fixed magazine of 10 rounds, is reloaded by either manually pushing down cartridges in the magazine, or stripping a clip into the magazine.
Used to be unbelievably cheap in the 90's, but has since become a bit more expensive. A good one can be still be had for 200-300 dollars, Yugoslavian ones are relatively cheap, and they work, though they don't have chromelined bores so you MUST clean it if you shoot corrosive surplus ammunition.
>Mossberg Shotgun
Cheap, workable, does what you expect a standard pump-action shotgun to do. Avoid Remington shotguns from after 2009, utter garbage, a Mossberg is better than any Post-2009 Remington in near every regard.
>Hi-Point Carbine
Really ugly (pic related is an old model, they're uglier now), heavy, poor ergos, rough finish. Yes, the Hi-Point rifle is not easy on the eyes, but it is very cheap, it's easy to find, it's available in 9x19mm Parabellum, .40S&W, and .45ACP, and it does function, and it's really hard to break.
It's heavy weight does it a favor by keeping recoil down, but that does make it unwieldy. Magazines aren't big, Hi-Point firearms pride themselves on being compliant with AWB states, and they want that to remain. I hear rumors that they can be converted to accept 1911 magazines, but I don't know myself.
>The Single-Shot
This is the cheapest one, the single-barrel, break-action shotgun.
Available in any shell from .410 Bore and 20-Gauge to 12-Gauge and 10-Gauge. These weapons are immensely common all over the world, from all kinds of manufacturers and small scale makers, they are very cheap, they are very simple, in both mechanics and make, they're usually built thick, the internals are impossible to fuck up, the barrel is impossible to ruin.
A brand new one can go for about 100 dollars. An old used one can go for a 70, and it'll be good as new. They've been around for a century, shotguns from before 1968 may not even have importer marks, manufacturer marks, or serial numbers.
No.87
>Smith & Wesson M&P-15 Sport [5.56x45mm/.223]
This is an AR-15 rifle from S&W's Military & Police series of firearms, the Sport model lacks the forward assist (needless outside of an actual battlefield, and even then, hardly anyone actually uses it in combat today), and without an ejection port dustcover (also rarely used), this cuts down the price and weight of the weapon.
The M&P-15 is affordable, does what you expect an alright AR-15 rifle to do, and is just as modular as any other regular AR-15 on the market.
It comes with a 30 round Magpul magazine.
>WASR-10, Romanian Kalashnikov Rifle [7.62x39mm]
This is a Romanian made AKM (AK-47) rifle, it's in the lower mid-tier of Kalashnikovs, it does what you want it do, it is cheap, and it can largely accept most AK-47/AKM parts, it's not too fancy, some of the old ones are really rickety (though they're better now, called WASR 10/63), and they're cheap to shoot.
Both steel Combloc surplus magazines and American made plastic magazines are common and cheap, Tapco mags are cheap and lightweight, though QC is spotty. Magpul makes AK mags now, and they're good.
ProMag is really cheap, but ProMag is almost exclusively shit, expect it to fail to feed after one load (though I'm told this is good for training how to clear Failure To Feeds)
>Yugoslavian PAP "Pistol" [7.62x39mm]
This is a Yugoslavian made AKM in a compact package. It has no stock, or vertical foregrip, and it was declared as a Handgun when imported, so it is legally a pistol.
Yugoslavian/Serbian made Kalashnikov Rifles and Pistols are a step over Romanian WASR's, but some parts aren't quite as compatible. They all use the same magazines.
7.62x39mm doesn't have too shabby ballistics out of short barrels like on an AK pistol, since the bullet is kinda heavy, so it's still pretty good.
>Arm Braces
Popular today are things called "Arm Braces", meant to allow people with weak arms to support their arms to fire AK and AR pistols. The ATF ruled that these things do not count as shoulder stocks, and are perfectly legal to put on Pistols without making them Short Barreled Rifles, as long as you don't modify the brace itself.
So basically, you can put one of these braces on an AK-47 pistol, and you have a handy little carbine without requiring NFA paperwork or tax.
No.90
I need to make myself a gun and ammunition for it but how the fuck do I do it? I can't get a hold of a gun btw and fuck the laws, I want to be able to defend myself when the ebola zombies come.
No.98
>>90How's the laws? Can you buy shotgun shells easily at a store?
No.100
>>90find some high quality pipe the same size as the desired shotgun shell and go in from there
the complicated part is having it meet the definitions of the gun youre making or else you have serious legal problems
>handgun no stock, rifled bore, short barrel
>shotgun smooth bore, long barrel
>rifle long rifled barrel, stock
No.102
>>98No I can't buy fucking anything. I'd have to get a gun license and it's just not happening, I can't express emotions, I've got scars all over me, and I've got that aura which tells people I'm going to fucking kill everyone when I get a good opportunity to do so (and honestly, it's true).
I just want to get a gun / make it myself, get ammunition / make it myself, try firing it a few times for practise, then put away in a 5 gallon bucket sealed up somewhere and ready to be retrieved later for the happening. I don't trust to keep it around myself all the time because I'm pretty suicidal and I'd probably off myself with it before long if it was easily within arm's reach but as long as I can't get to the gun without unearthing it for a bit and giving myself time to think things over it'll probably stay there until I really need it for something and I won't shoot myself (or someone else) until the time is ready (collapse).
>>100Don't give a shit about the legality of it.
No.103
>>102Also, alternatively, what do you guys think of a slingshot? It's legal in my country. I'm not sure it's a good weapon for the happening though.
No.106
>>103nope, horrible weapon, get a camp axe or a crossbow or something
No.107
>>106Crossbows are big, not easy for me to carry around at all times, and the bolts are hard to get.
A slingshot I can keep with me at all times and load up gravel and stuff into it.
No.112
>>107Longtime slingshot fan here. I think slingshots could be useful in a SHTF scenario, but only for small game hunting, really. And even then, I'd prefer a .22 due to greater lethality and lower chance of missing; it takes a long ass time to get good enough with a beanshooter to reliably take game, and I wouldn't want to depend on it for survival. To supplement trapping, or to use for silent shots at small game while hunting something bigger, fine.
Now, as a self-defense weapon, it wouldn't be worth much. With the possible exception of using it to shoot arrows after modifying it with a whisker-biscuit, and replacing the pouch with a bowstring that'll fit an arrow knock. I don't have personal experience with slingbows so I can't vouch for them, but some people swear by them.
No.125
>>106You know, 'camp axe' ain't bad. Just throwing this out there, but my family's a good deal Lakota and Cheyenne, and my dad was really into our Native heritage. Tomahawk techniques are easily applicable to camp axes, hatchets, and drywall hammers. The basic strikes are readily applied to any short-axe, and a lot of models are serviceable for throwing, or can be made so through a little modification.
The short-axe is a valid weapon, however you want to use it. Only thing is, you need to have your triceps built up before-hand. Do some pushups and d ips, motherfucker. Then you'll be good.
No.126
>>125And btw, this is speaking as a man who has trained with the tomahawk literally since I could walk. I don't want to delve into all the mechanics here (I'm drunk; lol Indian) but there's really not a lot a motherfucker can do against a pound and a half of knife-sharp steel at the end of an 18' lever, you know? A
good sabreur might be able to block the strike, with an appropriate weapon, but the average thug nigga will end up maimed-crippled after the first shot. 'hawks are an effective weapons, third only, IMO, to the Smatchet and the Iklqa spear, which cost you out the ass
No.127
>>367 winds is the cheapest option available that won't blow. Just make sure there aren't any holes or inconsistencies in the pipe threading or any part of the cap.
Also, epoxy the nail to the cap instead of fucking cardboard, it will be reliable as fuck.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xj4X-3ZH4Ss&list=TLv9pxzSX4SY7eCQLr04nSsIxeB9KHklIC No.132
>>126>(I'm drunk; lol Indian)Hah! I love your style!
But yeah, a tomahawk or any similar hatchet would make for a good close quarters weapon for a one on one engagement, it's the right handy size for a hacking/chopping weapon, and can be thrown if you have that skill.
Plus, it's a good little tool to have for various every day uses.
Say, do you live on a reservation or what? I hear those places can be pretty bad at times.
No.133
>>127>video>he put rails and an AR stock on it>welded an impromptu AFG on the barrelThis guy. I love his pipegun, it's about as good as you can make a slam-fire pipegun I'd say.
No.233
>>50As a /k/ resident and an owner of a Hi-Point, I can tell you that the flak they get is entirely based on appearance and price. They are fucking solid firearms, especially for the price, and a quick, free phonecall to their customer service department will get you a replacement should anything ever go wrong. I recommend their 9mm, looks like shit, not very comfortable to fire, but it will work and work well. Taurus on the other hand….don't even think about it. And Jiminez' are terribad, never consider a Jiminez
No.234
>>36Another /k/ommando here. Pretty much this:
>>50While the Mosin Nagant is a lot more expensive than it used to be, you can still snag them for around $120, or beaters for around $100. There's a great intimidation factor too, since the gun is a whopping 4 feet long, and the bayonet adds another foot. The ammo is some of the cheapest you can get for any firearm. If you can spend about $200 more, the SKS is a good option, because it's semi-auto. No need to work the bolt between shots, and 10-round internal mag. Legal in pretty much any state. I love mine.
Aside from that, look into shotguns. They're versatile, and considered a good home defense weapon. I wouldn't use a single-shot though, get at least a pump action. Expect to pay a lot more.
And there's also handguns. Much easier to hide in your house/apartment than a rifle. You can get some fairly cheap, I think Zavasta makes a Tokarev clone in 9mm that you can get for around $200.
Unfortunately, gun ownership is not easy for poorfags. Ammo is expensive as fuck. I paid $220 last month for the cheapest tin of 7.62x39 I could find, I think it was 600 rounds total. You need to practice with your firearm, otherwise it's useless to you. And you need cleaning supplies, too.
However, as it was noted earlier, firearms are a good investment because they don't lose value (unless you let it degrade). If anything, they'll go up - a lot of imports to the US have stopped, especially from Russia, and with the current political situation in the US, you'll just see more and more paranoia and higher and higher prices.
You NEED proper training on how to use it, though. Whatever you buy, get one of your hasgunz buddies to show you the ropes. If none of your friends have guns, check out your friendly local gun stores. See if the owner will teach you how to shoot if you buy from him.
Also, ignore everything that anyone says about handgun stopping power. Read this instead:
http://www.buckeyefirearms.org/alternate-look-handgun-stopping-power No.237
>tfw big believer in the right to bear arms
>tfw Australian
This is suffering.
I wish I knew some dodgy people so I could try and find someone who could supply me with a firearm.
Stupid fucking country full of stupid fucking sheep gave up its freedoms 20 years ago after the alleged massacre at Port Arthur. False flag if I ever did see one.
No.571
>>76>recommending 1911's to someone new>recommending 1911's in this fucking day and ageyou're everything that is wrong with the gun community.
OP just get an used glock. Cheap, easy to maintain, cheap mags etc. 1911's are an outdated dinosaur.
No.573
>>87>no more shouldering arm brace friendo No.594
>>36First of all, hipoints are fine, and they're cheap, and they're sold at Walmart. Their carbines (assault rifles) shoot pistol rounds and are much-loved, while their pistols are kind of hated because they're fatsos, but they're accurate and the cheapest.
If you want to step it up a bit, but still save cash, check out (soviet) Russian-designed, but elsewhere in the Bloc -made service pistols:
MAKAROV
vidya:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZsoJOjt25vUgun:
http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/ProductListing.aspx?catid=12452ammo:
http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/ProductListing.aspx?catid=738TOKAREV
vidya:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQtbNzyO0cEgun:
http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/ProductListing.aspx?catid=5869ammo:
http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/ProductListing.aspx?catid=733~ good luck ~
No.595
>>594Since I'm not sure of your poverty-level, check out the mini-14:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Fk84KLiaa4(the guy is controversial, most of all because he thinks that Keltec is good, when it's low-mediocre, and ignores some quality stuff, is arrogant and a faggot & more)
The mini-14 is nowhere near as good as an H&K, but it has been used successfully by various crazies, such as the Branch Davidians and Breivik of Norway. It throws a flier ever five rounds or so (a shot outside the grouping, but not dramatically off - enough off to make it worthless to a police hostage-freeing sniper).
Another idea is to get a machete and a couple of cheap mini crossbows. The crossbows are powerful and quite lethal at close range, and the machete can finish the job if need be.
Another idea is to wait - guns will become super-cheap to make once CNC tech goes mainstream. The Ghost Gunner is but the shot that started the CNC war. 3D printing will help too. You'll need barrel liners with the first generation (the Ghost Gunner is pre-first-gen), but they're super cheap (as always, The Man may chose such a part as a target).
And there's the illegal option (but it's not illegal absolutely everywhere, so I'll mention it).
The fastest and easiest gun you can make is a Four Winds shotgun. There are many videos on Youtube demonstrating the concept. Essentially you just need a couple pieces of pipe and a nail - and shot shells. An obvious enhancement to this would be to tape one of those $1 lasers to the pipe, making it super easy to aim (longer distances will require zeroing). Nobody seems to talk about chokes on these homemade rigs, but you could enhance your shot pattern of course with some sort of adapter on the end. The main thing to know is that you need a strap on the "barrel" pipe, and with this on your shoulder you shoot from the hip, like a guitar player holding his guitar at his side. afaik the whole affair is highly illegal in the US (for your safety, of course wink wink).
Shotguns are way more accurate than many people are aware:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNTyCcip-ksThis distance is only possible using slugs.
Nowhere near as accurate as bought slugs, you can make two kinds of slugs that are fantastic in their own right: cut slugs (field expedient slugs) and waxers (homemade breaching rounds - they break up doors, locks, but don't expect them to pierce body armor).
A cheap single shot shotgun can be had for $130, if you're slightly less poor.
Side note: there are adapters that allow you to shoot various caliber pistol rounds in a shotgun (with poor accuracy, since there is less than an inch of "barrel" in the adapter). These can be combined with cheap Walmart flare guns to create a reasonably safe single shot pistol. There may be plans online for making your own adapters - which would probably be ideal. In fact, the Walmart flare is probably the very best way to get a fire control system. So maybe you should google "flare gun" and "zip gun" and see if anyone has some easy way to harden the plastic flare guns. btw, there are metal flare guns which once were pretty cheap, but they're too expensive to even consider now, since you can legally buy a firearm.
No.596
>>595Not cut slugs - cut shells. See:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3M46XVfVOUYou'll notice there's technique to it.
And for waxers (wax slugs):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InbyFtvHilMThere are making videos available. You need to make sure the wax gets hot enough or you may have trouble.
No.597
>>234continuing…
>>596failed to mention "snap caps" (wiki: "A snap cap is a device which appears similar to a standard firearm cartridge but contains no primer, propellant, or projectile"). You'll want to get a couple so you can practice using your firearm in the comfort of your home. You need to get the motions down smooth for each firearm (whereas shooting is pretty much the same for any firearm - so you can get most of your target practice done with a 22 of any kind. At some point you'll need to have a 22 handgun to practice handgun shooting, 22 rifle for rifle practice, but before that it won't matter which you have, because shooting is shooting. This level is your typical range dude. Once you're above average you'll need to have a 22 handgun to practice shooting a handgun; a 22 rifle to practice shooting a rifle. (Please also note that shooting a 22 will help you learn to shoot shotguns all the same. And note I mean shooting here. That is aiming and trigger control. You work with your snap caps to improve your familiarity with handling your gun. Also note that you can learn a lot from airsoft too, but the pellets drop a lot compared to a 22).
But still, until you're awesome with the 22 there's no point burning cash shooting higher calibers (other than for pleasure).
Concerning how to handle a firearm:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQrlDUIZ3f0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGYf9AZlSyUWhat he says about "you're a different person" is very important. You cannot be smacking gum and shitting around. No drinking beer either, dumbass! All gun users are operators. PERIOD.
He doesn't go into it, but I will:
You must manage your mind. You must cleanse your mind of nasty thoughts. Suppose you think some day, "Well, I oughta kill…" no. You cannot think such thoughts now. So watch yourself, and if you find yourself saying such things respond and rectify your self-talk. You are an operator. And no fantasies where you are even shooting fantasy weapons at anyone other than terrorists.
A super-important warning about revolvers: You cannot place your hand over the cylinder. If you do you may even blow a finger off. Revolvers are not Glocks, and frankly are overpriced.
And regarding Glocks and ilk - beware slide bite. Youtube for videos if unfamiliar.
A totally legal improvised weapon is the PVC bow and arrow. You can even make your own arrows, razor-sharp, and absolutely capable of taking down big game - or for self-defense if need be. Bows can cost as much as guns, but they're not anywhere near worthless, especially at close range:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEG-ly9tQGk No.799
>>237
Come to America. We need more people like you to offset the stupid, gun grabbing faggots we have.
No.945
>>233
This, they can be had for $159.00. They're big, ugly and heavy as fuck but they do the job! I have the 9mm, 40s&w and the 45apc.
No.970
I built a 12 Gauge Shotgun using 2 pieces of Steel tubing for a total of $13. All I had to do was go to my local hardware store and buy 2 pieces of stock black pipe that fit a shell and over the barrel, buy a threaded end cap and a firing pin. I then took it to my local fabricator shop and they charged me $3 for the welding. I now have a working 12 gauge for myself and it works fine. It's been fired around 5 times now and it's holding up. If you can buy a REAL shotgun then I'd suggest that, but this design would work in a pinch if needed.
No.973
Where would I look to find used guns for sale?
No.979
>>973
If you live in a more rural area, you can find quite the variety of firearms at estate and yard sales.
No.1023
I want an SKS and a Ruger LCP so bad.
The LCP has a cute little laser light!