/prog/ - Programming

>>2128

Why do autistic people repeat themselves so much?

About python, is it a good language to start so that i would at least understand the code and then move to some different one, like c++?

>>2146

except for "move on to c++" yes

moving on to c++ is like moving on to full-blown aids

>>2151

Single everyone has a different opinion on what is good and what isn't. Why is c++ is worse that space aids?

sure why not if there aren't any intense graphics stuff

>>2152 Because C++ is a dated insecure piece of dogshit and if you're starting a new project then there is little reason to use it opposed to other languages, especially for games development.

>>2154

Is c++ good at anything, like other than games?

>>2157

>Is c++ good at anything, like other than games?

C++ compilers.

>>2157 Qt to be fair.

you can skip C++ and learn C#

>>1004

Python in general (at least with CPython) isn't very good for games. You can probably make some simple games in it and that may be fine, but as you start adding complexity or objects especially, you're going to start hitting a performance wall really quickly.

>>1672

Ooh, rub my dick harder. I hate the Python community so much. You're very right.

>>2146

Having sampled tens of languages, I don't personally think so. I think the problem space Python is good for is having single file scripts. If what you're doing is too complex for a single file, it's not good for Python.

And if you are doing code that short and simple, then you shouldn't have problems doing that in better languages.

>>2154

>C++ dated

>C++11, C++14, C++17

Well then. It seems like it's moving faster standards-wise than almost anything else on the market. I don't know how else you could define "dated." I think what you mean is "I don't like it."

>C++ insecure

That's a compelling argument with no examples whatsoever. You have to opt into insecure or otherwise shitty features in idiomatic C++. That it has features that can be insecure is irrelevant as long as it has sane defaults.

>if you're starting a new project then there is little reason to use it opposed to other languages

Such as? Which ones have received your blessing, Rabbi?

That said, I don't think C++ is especially good and I generally agree with the sentiment. But what a waste of discussion when you just shit "MY OPINIONS ARE THE RIGHT ONES" in a thread.

>>2157

It's good in cases where you need the fine degree of control that it provides. If you don't need the control, I wouldn't bother.

>>2186

I appreciate /prog/ger's attempt to discuss substantive issues, but saying "C++ is a faggot" is much quicker, and I have a lot of programming & shitposting to get through today.

I like the way c lets you initialize structs:

struct crap mycrap = { 
    .b = 2,
    .c = 3,
    .d = "corn",
    .a = 1,
};

You can reorder them and it doesn't break anything.

I think C should modernize itself and kick that imposter C++ off the boat into a cold watery grave.

>>2186

> It seems like it's moving faster standards-wise than almost anything else on the market.

It's moving 'standards-wise' at the same pace as other languages, but the language itself does not and will not apply newer concepts that we're seeing out of the box in other languages like coroutines (for the uninitiated try a unix pipe of sorts for use in concurrent applications).

> That's a compelling argument with no examples whatsoever. You have to opt into insecure or otherwise shitty features in idiomatic C++.

The language itself is insecure by not enforcing memory and type safety. That is a fact, and an intentional language design decision that does not detract from it's appeal in the circumstances that warrant its use.

> Which ones have received your blessing, Rabbi?

Despite what you've said towards at the end your response reads like a fanboy post. You need to look at languages objectively. C++ filled a void at the time of it's creation when programmers needed a language that was easy enough to write with the power of languages like C and assembly, but that void is no longer a void. Developing languages like Rust (among others of course) that have the power of C/C++ with the safety of higher level languages fill that hole. C++ itself will never introduce newer concepts into the language because fundamentally it cannot. Not to mention that this is a thread for sharing our opinions, if that bothers you so much when you disagree from my views please back up what you say so it's not just your opinion.

Whoops! Didn't add that you can make games easily in C#.

op

i have pygame working on python 3.4 i think it can be maybe ok for a 2d game like that i dont know about 3d stuff though

>>1004

OP, here is a game done in Panda3D: http://www.limitload.org/

They had to do a part in C++, because - oh wonder - python caused performance problems.

>>1671

For example, GodotScript is basically Python done right for this purpose.

>>2146

Python is a great first language. It's easy to love.

Added bonus: You'll know you're really growing as a programmer when you start seeing everything about Python that sucks and recognizing that the love you felt was really more the ignorance of a child.