/psy/ - Psychedelics and the Shamanic Tradition

Only my first time with DMT did I have something close to an out of body experience.

I was basically inside a Matrix Pod underwater with a bunch of doctors prodding me telling me I was doing a really good job "Living Life".

Complete with the impossible geometry.

It was pretty intense, but very short lived, like 5 minutes tops.

I would never pick DMT over LSD. I've had DMT like ... 4 or 5 times total.

>>263
>I would never pick DMT over LSD.

That's interesting. I've mostly heard people describe DMT as though it's better/deeper/more-enlightening/whatever than LSD. Is this not the case for you?

Intense trip, your dmt-verse is based on your 'vault' of experiences, imagery, and emotions (as well as the at-the-moment condition of the chemical balance within your brain).

To say there's a universe that DMT taps into is true for a lot of people, to say that there's a common universe that we all tap into is a lot of 'woo'.

If you've done DMT, then try DMT after some ketamine hits, then say that the DMT trip (and other trips) are not based on what you have stored internally.

>>264

I've had some amazing acid, like seeing through walls open eyed kind of shit, and that is a multi-hour experience.

DMT is like being inside a gigantic library for all of 30 seconds. You can read any book, but its still only 30 seconds.

I'm considering ayahuasca.

I have million questions about this latest trip of mine.
So there i was.
>Tripping balls, chilling out maxin
>smoking on balcony
>looking at this particular set of trees
>realize how it resembles human body
>even has a special thing in the middle stomach like i´ve always felt
at this point someone probably knows what i´m refering to
>try to move the feeling upward
>it moves with a jump to chest
<why stop now
>get it to head and things become so light
I was i bit afraid here, but what could´ve happened
>move it just a little bit more up and notice i´m not in my body

Sorry for the badly written story but i really wanted to tell it to someone. Like back then and now i´m not sure did really happen or not.

>>240
Anyone pls? I´m really alone with this.

>>241
What's the question? Sounds like some kind of vision where you felt one with the tree?

>>244
I may have been wondering if i imagined the whole thing.
But the truth is there isn´t better answer than inside is outside and Vice Versa.

But atleast it made a story.

>>240

Out of body experiences (OBEs) are sometimes reported with LSD.

There are lots of books one OBEs.

Part of how LSD operates is reducing the surface between you and external reality, so its much easier to move your awareness outside of yourself.

Yeah, it happened. Were you actually someplace else? ...

Before an intense mushroom trip, I decided to focus on the nature of being and seeking a sense of purpose. What I saw was incredible. An entity of the forest instructed me on the nature of the universe. By re conceptualizing the concept of life, the universe can be seen as one life form. In contrast to our harmonization of different organisms, the universe simply moves matter around as a cycle of life. Cells are simply matter that can replicate itself in a web of fellow symbiotic, evolutionarily tied cells which become anything 'alive'. On an infinite stage, lifeforms arise, pans permia or otherwise. Gravity forms a star. Gravity draws matter in. Gravity forms planets in solar systems, as well as contributing to all space debris. Gravity is the breath of the universe. A compressor of matter. Could black holes be called cancer? Or foreign complexity of unfathomed 'life'. The matter we are will always be here, it just moves and scatters. Consider where your elements have been. What they've been. We are all one.

>>256
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5yOaTgWu6Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9PAWbjle0Tg
Terrence McKenna has some great stuff on how Novelty and Habit is a much more fitting framework than Freedom and La and how Nature is a Novelty-conserving engine, in which each new novelty is simply incorporated into the old habit.
Because of, say, the novelty of the automobile, suburbs were incorporated into the habits of cities because people could now travel miles and miles and miles between destinations.
Organisms and systems which are most easily able to spread their novelty through the habit(at) are, of course, the ones which will naturally come to be the most numerous. The universe is fascinating.

>>257
These are great links.

>>238
Not quite sure if got this right, but it helped anyway.

OP what the fuck are you on about?

>>215
To me, the point in this was to empower ourselves with the realization that the choices are ours to make.

You are free to make the choice to believe in the monist principle you described. You are capable of taking any ideology, theory or idea and trying it on, just like you would try on a piece of clothing, searching for a good fit. One could hold a view, an interpretation, that this realization ultimately frees us from samsara. The choice you end up making is irrelevant, what is important is the realization that the choice is yours to make.

Also try to keep in mind that others who do not share your views, fools as you call them, think that the Buddha is within them: their actions are lessons for you. "It is like the reflection of blemishes on your own face which you see in a mirror; your own thoughts must be impure."

Also, the self is a difficult topic to make understandable because the whole discussion is rooted in the preoccupation with 'I'.

reminds me of this

I wouldn't take the advice of an imageboard either way when you have a condition like epilepsy, no offense.

>>213
I am not sure about empirical evidence but there is strong anecdotal evidence in the psy community that tryptamines like psilocybin and lysergic acid (LSD)can lower the seizure threshold.

is this thread about growing mushrooms? are they easy it seems cool/fun way to make money anybody have experiences growing/selling mushrooms?

>>201
I live in Texas. I haven't seen any Psilocybes for a while but I've been wanting to try this psychoactive mushroom native to here called Gymnopilus spectabilis that is supposed to grow around this time in dry conditions.

>>220
Don't. Just do it for personal use and maybe for friends. Google PF Tek for an easy way to grow them with mason jars, vermiculite and brown rice flour. Just buy the spores (P. cubensis, your garden variety magic mushrooms, are best to start with)

>>221
Growing truffles is really easy too.

>>226
Like Psilocybe tampanensis? I've never tried them.

>>55
Thanks. I'm definitely going to give it a go.

I tried it before but I didn't get any results, i didnt do it for so long so maybe thats why. Once I had an out of body experience. I was staring into my window blinds when all of a sudden I was standing up by my bed. I walked down my hallway and then I blinked and I was back in my body looking at the blinds.

Maybe I fell asleep, who knows. Another time I felt like I was dropping through my bed and got scared.

>>46

As somebody who has encountered sleep paralysis quite often, and is a lucid dreamer, I can tell you that you're full of shit and the inforgraphic is (more or less) accurate.

On a more general topic, does anyone notice sensations of vertigo as they are about to enter sleep? Like a rollercoaster sensation? Flying around? Because this happens every night for me and I'm not sure if it's common or not.

>>55
>connect to one consciousness

I really don't think that's it. Are you sure you aren't seeing an unfamiliar part of yourself and labeling it the other? All is mind after all.

>>19
>>19

I gotta say this is wrong. I've done it all kinds of ways, and this is maybe the most frustrating.

Just get 10 hours or more of sleep a few nights in a row. As you're getting too much sleep, your dreams will become more restless, and more clear, like another life you're living.

I've seen myself in the mirror in dreams plenty of time, lol, but I've always been kind of vain...

>>95
It does happen to me, but not that often.

I have bad english, but I'll try to give some protips to lucid dreaming. I have been doing it for quite some time now.

I always do leave the house with the same objects in my pockets. My phone in the right pocket, keys in the left pocket, my bus pass in the back right pocket and my wallet in my left back pocket. Always the same items in the same places.

Then, either when I am awake or dreaming, I am always checking them. On dreams, my phone is always missing. Or the bus pass. Have you ever dreamt that you were taking the bus or buying something then realized that you had no money for it? That happens on dreams a lot.

So I keep checking my objects, sometimes I realise there is something wrong, realise I am dreaming and then the lucidity starts, I start gaining more control over the dream.

>>146
This reminds me of when I spent an hour/eternity texting two sentences to a friend.

I've taken 3.5 hits (drops out of an eyedropper) at once before. I don't know how much is on a tab, but I ended up tripping really hard for a long while and it was great. The only problem was I had insomnia from the drug's side effects for the next three days and two nights. On the night of the third day, I finally broke down into some kind of odd, detached sobbing session, then fell asleep.

LSD is best taken in dosages that keep you high for around 8 hours. It doesn't really improve with bigger single doses.

>>174
Having said all that, nice typing! At your stage, I probably would just be woozily rocking my head back and forth on my shoulders, too comfortably numb to do anything.

>>146
Exterminate all rational thought, brother.

holy, fucking, shit

// nature of reality
reality of nature //

Always heard mixing weed with LSD was not the best option, since weed CAN BE anxiogenic if your'e used to it.

Have a nice trip nonetheless

>>132
I think judging by the date it already happened. Where's the trip report OP?

Read this thread and remembered doing the same thing just recently. Check date - wait a second. Would it be too much of a coincidence if I was that friend?

Real LSD rendered weed effectiveless.

>>114
YOU'RE a giant duck

well fuck

>>134
No I can't blame you indeed, and yes I was feeling like teasing you a bit.
I'm guilty.

>>126
I have. For me, it was the realization of how fantastically complex nature is, specifically forests. I also realized that the human mind is also like this, as well as society. In fact, every physical process. I cannot look at a tree now, especially a deciduous tree in the winter months, without seeing in it everything mankind has ever tried to describe scientifically.

>>124

I think I have. The hard part for me is remembering it and living that way despite being bombarded with mundane reality.

>>161

Very interesting anon. I haven't tried any psychedelics yet but I'm excited to try soon. What you described sort of feels like this worldview I've been cultivating for a while. Maybe I can really explore it on a deeper level if that's how you feel afterwards.

>>169
>is remembering it
damn straight, when i did 4 tabs of LSD i was in a different reality and can't remember because its not the same idk man. shit went down

Everything familiar, my house, my family, went in first. A thought poked its way up from the bowels of my mind: "Is this really happening? This can't really be happening." But of course, it was. How could it not be? I was there witnessing it, wasn't I? I figured it was POSSIBLE that this wasn't really the End, that by some twist of fate I could be saved, but that seemed extremely unlikely. So, not wanting to be the sort of person who intentionally ignores reality to make themselves feel better, I threw that hope away. And then it was upon me.

There was a deep roaring "sound" that gradually rose and abruptly fell in intensity about once every second, in time with the Combine's blades. A snapping sensation, a sense of rotating, and pine trees also featured prominently in the synesthetic cacaphony, with the blades at one point being replaced by pine trees. I just kept wishing, harder than I've ever wished for anything, that this was all some misunderstanding, that the Combine would give up and leave me alone.

I eventually thought of running. I still couldn't see anything, and still wasn't really sure how three dimensional space worked, but I remembered I could move through it, and I did. Or at least, I tried. I immediately crashed into something. Somehow, I distinctly remember crashing into one specific table, despite not knowing where I was at the time. I was now free of the Combine, but I wasn't feeling any better.

I turned around, and while I was walking, running, or something, I noticed there was something on my head that was contributing to the overall sense of unpleasantness. It was on the sides of my head...the headphones. I half-realized I hadn't even noticed the music until now. I pulled them off, set them on a table, and unplugged them from my phone. I reached the end of the floor, just before a drop where stairs lead down to the basement door, and tried to collect myself.

>>165
That's as much as I've written so far, hold on. Everything after this point has not been proofread.

My mind wasn't working the way it was supposed to, and it was horrifying. I knew why it was, and I knew it wasn't going to stop any time soon, and I knew that I needed it to stop right then. I say my mind wasn't working the way it was supposed to, and I did know it was my mind at fault, but it felt more like reality was broken. It was as though the laws of logic themselves had been suspended and the universe had been plunged into an eternity of confused chaos.

I slapped the concrete I was leaning on, which gave me some measure of comfort and assurance that reality was, in fact, right where I'd left it. I looked up at the wall in front of me, intending to glean similar comfort from seeing it there. I instead "saw"* (in the same sense as before) that the wall was covered in what looked like crystalline shag carpeting. It was horrible. I got up and wandered around the greenhouse a bit to distract myself, my mind "screaming" in pain and horror the whole time.

It was then that I thought again of running. Not running from anything specific this time, just to distract myself. I figured I would run around the block, and by the time I got back I'd feel better. Maybe just being in a different place would make me feel better, too.

I dashed out the greenhouse door into the backyard. I passed my cat on the way, and said a hurried "Hello" to her purely out of habit. I kept going, ran across the snow-covered garden and up the stone steps, and ran through our yard and then the neighbor's yard until I reached the street. I felt basically the same, and then realized that running all the way around the block would be extremely unpleasant, if I could even manage to do it at all. Incredibly disheartened, I ran back to my house. (Although "disheartened" is a massive understatement -- it felt more like being in a lethal injection chamber and learning that the call the executioner just received was not, in fact, from the governor.) On the way, I thought of hugging someone, and what a relief that would be. But there was no one awake. I thought of hugging my cat, but I couldn't find her.

I sat down in a lawn chair to wait it out. I felt like I could sort of handle it at this point. I just felt really shitty, like an afterglow in reverse. And then I had tPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

The shower helped a fair bit. I was still emotionally out of sorts, but the hot water provided a pleasant distraction. It was at this point that I really thought about what had happened. Why had I done this to myself? What sort of horrible monster was sober me that he could subject someone to something this horrible? I certainly could never do salvia again, never, never again, it hurt too much. As the shower went on and the effects wore off, I eventually relented and decided that I would just use a trip sitter next time. That seemed a fair compromise.

I didn't sleep at all that night. I was a bit upset still, of course, but that wasn't why. I just had too many thoughts buzzing around in my head.

Now, a few days later, the negative emotions associated with the trip are all but gone, replaced by fascination. Getting torn apart by the Combine was probably the most powerful experience I've ever had, and while I'm certainly hesitant to try salvia again any time soon, I don't regret the experience at all. A trip sitter is great if your goal is to have fun, or to avoid having sore shins the next morning, but having someone there to comfort me would have greatly reduced the impact of the trip. I highly recommend everyone take salvia alone.

>>100
>Robert Anton Wilson

Good choice

>>99
Powers of Mind by Adam Smith (this book first got me interested in psychedelics)

The Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test (a great read about 60s counter-culture)

Psychedelics Encyclopedia by Peter Stafford

Understanding Media: The Extensions of Man by Marshall McLuhan (while it doesn't talk about drugs much, I think it can still be considered psychedelic)

Those for now.

>>109
This is a good one, add this.

>>109
Added.

>>57
Not exactly a video, but something else I found very interesting and helpful:
http://worldtracker.org/media/library/Sociology/Grof%20-%20LSD%20Psychotherapy.pdf

The Holy Mountain
Santa Sangre
007: A View to a Kill
The Neverending Story
The Beach
Brazil
Naked Lunch
Tideland

I reccommend you all watching The Congress, a great movie from last year.

Eraserhead by David Lynch

>>85
Oh jeez, that sounds like a terrifying time.

2001 is a good time.