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7472f9 No.55[Reply]

If you have a puzzle that you don't think requires a new thread, you can post it here.

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7472f9 No.133

You have 6 bags and 31 doo-dads. Arrange it so that each bag has an odd number of doo-dads in it.




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3635b3 No.96

Testing math tags.

[math]F(\omega )\; = \; \frac{1}{\sqrt{2\pi }}\int_{-\infty }^{\infty}\;f(t)\, e^{-i\omega t}\;dt[/math]

$$F(\omega )\; = \; \frac{1}{\sqrt{2\pi }}\int_{-\infty }^{\infty}\;f(t)\, e^{-i\omega t}\;dt$$




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1e2220 No.3[Reply]

Read this before you post.

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81097e No.95

NEW OWNER EMAIL IS puzzleOwn@8chan.co




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156220 No.142[Reply]

'Sup, /puzzle/, I'm in need of help from the mathematically inclined.

I want to make iron plates for lifting exercises.

The dimensions are as follows:

>450 mm diameter of the plate

>34 mm diameter of the hole in the middle of the plate

Now, according to the known information, what would be the other dimensions of the plates with varying weight given that the above dimensions cannot be changed.

For a:

>25 kg plate

>20 kg plate

>15 kg plate

>10 kg plate

>5 kg plate

>2.5 kg plate

Thanks in advance.

f10bbd No.143

Do you know the exact alloy you are using? We need to know the density of the alloy to get going.


98df69 No.144

>>143

7850 kg/m^3


f10bbd No.145

>>144

For a solid cylindrical 20kg weight, the thickness is 16.11 mm. If you punch out a circular hole 159mm in diameter off of the centre hole, the weight is 2.5 kg lighter. If you add a 1.5 thickness outer flange down to a diameter of 319mm, the disk is 5 kg heavier.




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a42dd0 No.135[Reply]

Say there is a herd of an odd number of cows with the property that if you take any one cow away, it is possible to divide the remaining heard into two herds with equal numbers of cows and equal weight. Show that all the cows in the original heard have the same weight.

e09874 No.138

>>135

I give up. Answer please.


e09874 No.139

I can tell you that any two cow's weight must be congruent mod 4, but that's as far as I can get.


e09874 No.140

Okay, I finally got the answer. This was really hard, where did you get it?


e09874 No.141

Also you don't need an equal number of cows in each herd.




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b3c315 No.118[Reply]

In the starting position, assume that the disks come in two alternating colours. Number the disks 1 to n, with n the largest disk. Assuming you move the disks optimally to solve the traditional puzzle, consider the states between moves as well as the initial and final states. What fraction of these states have does the disk k(k = 1 to (n-1)) rest on a disk of the same colour?

3b3998 No.137

Zero




6eacfa No.66[Reply]

For each given polytope, let the vertices be connected by 1-ohm resistors along the polytope's edges.

1. What is the resistance between two opposite vertices of a cube?

2. What is the resistance between two opposite vertices of an octahedron?

3. What is the resistance between any two distinct vertices of a tetrahedron?

4. Generalize the answers of the previous answers to the corresponding n-dimensional polytopes.

96bb2e No.136

>>66

This sounds like homework. Read the rules. (If not it's still too easy for a puzzle.)




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c0ea2b No.134[Reply]

Show that for all natural numbers n, the equation shown holds.



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38cfc2 No.85[Reply]

This is is based on some stuff I've been studying in my free time.

The axioms are statements on mysterious object called points and lines, and the mysterious relation of incidence between points and lines.

The axioms are:

Axiom 1: For any two distinct points, there is exactly one line incident with both points.

(Notation for future posts: If X and Y are the names of distinct points, [X][Y] is the name of the common incident line, where the square brackets are dropped if the bracketed point name is a single letter.)

Axiom 2: For any two distinct lines, there is at least one point incident with both lines.

Axiom 3: There exist 4 distinct points such that no line is incident with 3 distinct points out of the 4.

One simple consequence of these axioms is as follows.

Theorem 1: For any two distinct lines, there is at most one line incident with both points.

Proof: Assume the statement is false. Then there are two distinct lines that have more than one distinct common incident point. Consider two such distinct points we call A and B. By Axiom 1, there is a unique line which is incident to both. This contradicts our 'construction' where 2 distinct lines are incident to A and B. Thus, our assumption must have been false, and the theorem holds.

Corollary: For any two distinct points, there is exactly one line incident with both points

(Notation for future posts: If x and y are the names of distinct lines, [x][y] is the name of the common incident point, where the square brackets are dropped if the bracketed line name is a single letter.)

Other consequences of the axioms(proof left to reader)

-There exist 4 distinct lines such that no point is incident with 3 distPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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38cfc2 No.128

>>124

Notation: Given an arbitrary projectivity, its name can be its expression in half-perspectivities(e.g. A<b>C<d) or a string of letters enclosed in vertical bars (e.g. |A|, |def|). Given compatible projectivities |a| and |b|, their composition is |ab|. Additionally, the domain and co-domain forms of a projectivity may be explicitly noted by combining the two notations (e.g. A>|Cb|>d). Given a perspectivity |D|, |/D| is the name of its inverse and can be incorporated into previous notation(e.g. |F/G|, A<|/hj|>B, |C/(ab)D|). Given a line a in the domain of a projectivity |B|, |B|(a) is its image. The identity perspectivity which leaves all members of a form fixed is named |1|.

Also, ends of proofs will be noted by hashtags(#).

——————————–

In the last few posts, we introduced a prospective new axiom, but left open questions about the consistency of this Axiom P with our previous axioms. The goal of this instalment is to answer this question, but we first need a few more theorems in our belt.

One question we can tackle right now is how Axioms P and D fit together. If we look at their corresponding perspectivity theorems, the UPT(and Theorem 4, >>117) implies that a particular point has a special property with respect to an applicable projectivity, while the SPT(and Theorem 3, >>117) only say that some point within a particular range has the corresponding property. Intuitively, one might suggest that the UPT could be 'stronger' than the SPT. This is, in fact, the case.


38cfc2 No.129

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>>128

Theorem 1: The Unstable Perspectivity Theorem implies the Stable Perspectivity Theorem.

Proof: Staring with a projectivity a>P<b>Q<c such that all named lines and points are distinct, as the conclusion of the SPT would be trivial otherwise. Thus the line PQ is well-defined.

We first assume that P does not lie on c and PQ does not pass through ac. In this case we proceed as follows: choose some line b' incident to c[PQ] not equal to c or PQ(see pic 1). Note that b' is not concurrent to any two of a, b, or c and is also not incident to P or Q. Thus, the projectivity a>P<b'>P<b>Q<c exists and is clearly identical to the initial projectivity. Since {b'c, P, Q} is collinear and {b', b, c} is not, then the UPT applies, and there is some point Q' such that b'>Q'<c equals b'>P<b>Q<c. Thus, a>P<b>Q<c is identical to a>P<b'>Q'<c. By Theorem 4, >>117, Q' = [Q[bb']][P[bc]]. Thus, as bc = ac, {ac, P, Q'} is collinear and we can apply the UPT to a>P<b'>Q'<c to obtain a>R<c identical to the original projectivity, as required.

In the case that P lies on c, we can use a[PQ] instead unless Q lies on A. If we assume there are are only three distinct points in any range, then the SPT can be be directly proven. Otherwise, choose b” concurrent yet distinct to a, and apply the above procedure to a>P<b>Q<b” to get a>O<b so that a>O<b”>Q<c = a>P<b>Q<b”>Q<c.

By Theorem 3, >>117, O lies on PQ. If O lies on c, then O = P and a>P<b” = a>P<b>Q<b”. Let X be a point on a not equal to a[PQ] or ac(see pic 2). It is easily proven that such a point exists. Let Y and Z be its progressive images under b a>P<b>Q<b” on b and b” respectively. Thus, {X, Y, P} and {Y, Z, Q} are collinear set. The identity implies that {X, Z, P} is a collinePost too long. Click here to view the full text.


38cfc2 No.130

>>128

>>129

The corollaries below immediately follow from the proof:

Corollary 1.1(Theorem of Hessenberg):Axiom P implies Axiom D

Corollary 1.2(Perspectivity Theorem(PeT))(P):Given a projectivity a>|E|<c with a and c distinct, if ac is self-corresponding under |E|, then there exists a point E such that a>|E|<c = a>E<c.

Proof: Starting with a>|E|<c, use the 2-Perspectivity Theorem to reduce to an identical projectivity a>P<b>Q<c. Since ac is self-corresponding under the projectivity, Theorem 2, >>117 implies that either the SPT or the UPT can be applied for a final reduction to an identical perspectivity a>E<c.#

Corollary 1.3:Given the plane axioms alone, the Perspectivity Theorem implies Axiom P.

Proof: The UPT, equivalent to Axiom P, is a special case of the Perspectivity Theorem.#

Other important theorems follow relatively easily as well.

Theorem 2(Projectivity Theorem(PrT))(P): Given two projectivities b>|D|<c and b>|E|<c, if there are three distinct points G, H, and I on b whose images are the same under |D| and |E|, |D| and |E| are identical.

Proof: Call the images of G, H, and I under |D| and |E| G', H', and I' respectively. Let {A, B, C, D} be a set of distinct points such that no three are collinear.

By Theorem 2, >>99, there exist projectivities |C| and |F| such a(ac, C, D)>|C|<b(G, H, I) and c(G', H', I')>|F|<d(ac, A, B). Composing, we have a(ac, C, D)>|CDF|<d(ac, A, B) and a(ac, C, D)>|CEF|&Post too long. Click here to view the full text.


38cfc2 No.131

>>130

Theorem 4: Given the plane axioms alone, the Three-Fix Theorem implies Axiom P

Proof: Let a>|M|<b and a>|N|<b be two projectivities to which the PrT would apply and let P, Q, and R be the required distinct points on a with P', Q', and R' their respective images.

Assume that |M| and |N| are not identical. Therefore, there exists a point X such that |M|(X) = Y and |N|(X) = Y' distinct from Y. Now consider the projectivity |/MN|. The points P', Q', and R' are self-corresponding under this composition, so by the Three-Fix Theorem, |/MN| = |1|. However, |/MN|(Y) = Y' in contradiction to previous statement. Therefore, |M| and |N| are identical, proving the PrT, which was already proven equivalent to Axiom P.#

We are are now finally ready to tackle the issue of the consistency of Axiom P. In particular, we will exhibit a particular plane in which the Three-Fix Theorem must hold.

Theorem 5: Given a plane with exactly 4 distinct points in each range, the Three-Fix Theorem holds.

Proof: Say n>|A|<n is a projectivity on a line n in the given plane such that the distinct points P, Q, R, are self-corresponding. What we require is that any other distinct point on n is self corresponding as well. However, there is only one other distinct point S on n. Since |A| is a bijection and all the other points are accounted for, S is forced to be self-corresponding, as required.#

Corollary 5.1: Given a plane with exactly 4 distinct points in each range, Axiom P holds.

Similarly,

Theorem 6: Given a plane with exactly three distinct points in each range, the Three-Fix Theorem holds.

The existence of the required planes is guaranteed by the PDSs {0, 1, 3}(mod 7) and {0, 1, 3, 9}(mod 13). Assuming the consistency of the natural numbers, we have now shown Axiom P is consistent with thePost too long. Click here to view the full text.


f7bd04 No.132

>>85

>>131

Rewrite of the posts is occurring at >>>/sci/3170




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a3bae7 No.14[Reply]

Any cubers? My 3x3 pb is 19.89
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8205e7 No.47

>>46

link pls


5fba69 No.48

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

d87af5 No.50

when I was into it, I managed to get my 3x3x3 averages down to lower 30s with roux method. I still play around with it but mostly for FMC stuff.

>>20

sort of same for me, it was fucking up my wrists pretty badly also


5fba69 No.53

>>48

I should mention that this video is rather old. At the time, it was believed that it was best practice to always start your cross on the same side. Nowadays I believe that being able construct the cross an any side is considered better practice.

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5fba69 No.127

File: 1444109334454.jpg (90.81 KB, 600x644, 150:161, Gear_cube.jpg)

Anyone own any type of geared cube?




a830d7 No.36[Reply]

Post any good math or puzzle websites here.

The Forum Geometricum is a free and open euclidean geometry journal.

http://forumgeom.fau.edu/

0d0315 No.44

cut-the-knot has all sorts of math stuff

http://www.cut-the-knot.org/

0d0315 No.121

Not so much a website as a nice river crossing puzzle game.

http://www.digyourowngrave.com/cross-the-river-puzzle/




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c6e63a No.58[Reply]

Post any cool math pictures you have here.

c6e63a No.102

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7506ee No.56[Reply]

Show that s is an integer.



e5496b No.65[Reply]

This isn't so much of a puzzle as a thought experiment., but I think this fits here.

Imagine that you have made contact with a distant alien civilization. Neither of you have any physical artifacts coming from the other; all you have is a text communication line. Explain the difference between left and right, assuming you have common language knowledge excepting that related to handedness. Go in as much detail as possible.

2606da No.69

When one stands facing North, West is on the left and East is on the right.

But, when one stands facing South, the East is on the left and the West is on the right.

Left and right are directions that are oriented by one's body.


e5496b No.70

>>69

On the Earth, how does one define north vs. south anyways? Of the two poles, how did we decide to call one the north?


e5496b No.72

>>70

I mean, east and west can be defined be where the sun/stars rise and set, but what about north and south?


08a589 No.83

You could use the fact that you share a language to explain direction. If, for example, they understand written english, you could say them that they're reading from left to right.


e5496b No.84

>>83

>excepting that related to handedness.

That includes standard direction of reading, etc.




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da064a No.75[Reply]

A fractal is generated from an equilateral triangle by attaching inverted equilateral triangles to each vertex, scaled down by some factor r. At each step in the fractal generation, you attach triangles to the newest vertices. scaled down by r and inverted from the previous step's triangles. (see picture)

Some values of r lead to gaps between 'branches' of the completed fractal, while others lead to overlap at some finite step. What value of r leads to contact at infinite steps?

2f4535 No.79

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Let ABC be the vertices of the central triangle of side L. Because the branches are symmetric about the medians of the central triangle, we just need to find r such that the branches reaches the medians. We observe just the branch with root in B. Let Pn be the nearest point of the new trianles of the n-th generation in our branch to the median, so that P0=B.

Observe in the picture, that after n=2, all the Pn's are aligned perpendicular to the median. After P2, we can use the geometric series to find out the distance from P2 to the next Pn's.


2f4535 No.81

File: 1437505716234.png (6.66 KB, 584x310, 292:155, fractal2.png)

It's even easier if you use this point (let's call it D) instead. The distance between D and the median is (l+rl+r^2l)*sin30=l/2*(1+r+r^2). We can use the geometric series to get the distance from D to Pn. r must be such that r^2l+r^3l+r^4l+…=l/2*(1+r+r^2). Or:

\sum(r^k)-1-r=(1+r+r^2)/2

The solution of this is r=(\sqrt{5}-1)/2, approximately 0.61803.


da064a No.82

That's the answer I got when I was setting out the problem.




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