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 No.114307

Anyone else wonder what happens after death? I believe in God but I can't stop thinking about what if there's nothing, what if everything just fades away.

 No.114308

Physically; you just become a decomposing corpse until you finally become dust.

Spiritually; ???? ghost stuff


 No.114309

>>114308

I still can't stop thinking about it; it's fucking me up.


 No.114311

Does it matter what happens?


 No.114312

>>114311

It does to me, I don't like the idea that it just goes dark.


 No.114313

>>114312

Why? That's where you came from.

What are you anyways? What is the essence of you?


 No.114314

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I don't know about you faggots, but I'm going to 2D heaven.


 No.114316

>I believe in God

>believing in a religion that was literally founded on cucking


 No.114369

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>>114307

Obsessive thoughts OP, in a sense it's spiritually healthy because if you come out on top you'll be stronger in faith.

The bible implies there will be something to do, a task, something.

Focus on that and not on the potential for nothingness, you wouldn't be worrying about not existing if you didn't exist, so why ruin the moment now by worrying?

>Distract yourself with anything! It's the best tactic for rumination.

>If you're executed for faith or a chosen Jews you will spend 1k years in a perfect kingdom

IChrist will return and create a kingdom on earth for 1000 years, inhabited by those executed for faith and by Jewish people who will be converted after being saved from genocide by the nations of the world immediately before Christ's return (he returns destroying the raiders.)

>After that a new world and a new heaven is created, and those who followed Christ will live with God face to face forever; though no one knows, not even angels know what God will have his people in the new earth do, other than living in ultimate quality and with the people loving the most powerful entity since before anything who is loving them back

For those who didn't follow Christ, accurate translating concludes that they will undergo an age of an age of corrective punishment (or an age of the ages, or ages upon ages; of holy/God's corrective punishment), this is in contrast to the commonly falsely held belief of eternal hell.

Still, it won't be fun (a lake of fire, even if metaphorical, doesn't sound fun), but afterwards it can be assumed they will be brought into the kingdom with the others, having been 'corrected', and will join in with whatever it is God will have us do.

Christ saved all creation, in the sense it won't go into EVERLASTING torment, but temporary corrective punishment, even if that is for a long time.


 No.114372

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>>114369

>gives you free will

>proceeds to use the carrot and the stick to mold you into exactly what he wants

Truly, the most mysterious of ways.


 No.114399

>>114369

I think I will go straight to hell for being a brony cartoonfag drawfag.


 No.114400

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You want to know what happens after you die? Ask this guy.


 No.114405

>>114307

So what if you disappear? Do you live life to get an otherworldly reward?


 No.114425

>>114405

Yes goy, don't worry about wealth on earth, we'll take care of it, think about wealth after you die. And work for it harder, as a good goy, or it's gone.


 No.114427

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Even death dies.


 No.114428

>>114400

Not even the carrion eaters are interested in your irradiated corpse.


 No.114436

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>>114369

>Obsessive thoughts OP

These are not simply 'obsessive thoughts.

It is the existential dread that lurks in the heart of everyone. Knowing that no matter what you do, it will eventually be your turn to die.

We know only the sensation of THIS existence; the knowledge that it will someday be taken away is terrifying.

In a way it is the perfect system. All are judged equally, all receive the same ending. No more memories, no more thinking, no more feeling, no more anything. No blackness, no time, only a forevermore of nothingness.

Fun Fact: There are no religions that hold a belief in God and a simultaneous rejection of the idea of an afterlife (reincarnation is a form of afterlife). Religion in general is primarily focused on hoping that there is something after death and the facilitator of this expected afterlife is what we call God. It's the hope for an ultimate savior that we all have in our darkest hour.

It's a nice thought and many times I find myself wishing there was a God and an afterlife. But after looking into the eyes of so many of my patients as they passed away, I saw only terror in those eyes, not blissful or even passive acceptance. Mortal terror, the kind of terror that silently tells you that there is nothing on the other side.


 No.114467

>>114307

>Anyone else wonder what happens after death?

Yes, all the time. And I'm almost 40. What cosmic wisdom have you learned brother?


 No.114501

You experience every possible scenario that your life could have been, starting at the worst and ending at the greatest. Then you'll enter a deep sleep and never wake up as your spirit disintegrates.

Have fun.


 No.114502

>>114425

Can you read?


 No.114523

>>114405

No, but I'm scared of it just all going black, nothing.


 No.114531

>>114523

Why is that?

Muteblock


 No.114536

>>114531

I think I'm a Thanatophobia, I'm just scared of it all just going blank.


 No.114539

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>>114307

>>114400

Nope, the man to ask is Phineas Gage.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phineas_Gage

He got a metal bar stuck through his head in a construction accident, causing massive brain damage, but he survived and remained (mostly) functional. The brain damage dramatically changed his personality and behavior so much that his friends said he was like a different person. This tells us that our personality, our behavior, and our consciousness are products of the physical brain.

When the brain stops functioning, we stop with it. Souls, spirits, and ghosts are just metaphors and stories. There's no afterlife, there's no reincarnation, there's nothing. It'll be just like it was before you were born.

Nobody knows this 100%, and nobody can prove it, and I really, really don't want it to be the case, but it makes so much more sense than any alternative hypothesis that I'm stuck with it. Go with the Noble Lie if you prefer, anon; I respect that. But I can't join you there no matter how much I want to.


 No.114543

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>>114372

To be fair the bible never says he gave us free will.

It's implied we were innocent until the devil gave us knowledge of good and evil.

So one could say:

>we used to be what he wants

>after acquiring knowledge of good/evil he now moulds us into a state we can:

>A) deal with this knowledge (not become total degenerates) and more importantly

>B) keep him in our hearts over earthly things so we will be transformed upon resurrection to what he wants

>>114399

The thing with sin is; any sin disqualifies us, certain sins are more *deadly* than others, because they have such a powerful influence on us, thus harming us from seeking Christ.

Sexual sin for instance affects how we interact with others; paranoia, betrayal, hiding with shame, it's drug like chemical rush changes how we think, where our priorities are, what/who we love.

Some sin is explicitly stated as leading to 'hell', but remember;

Christ does 2 things:

>saves those who follow him (the sign of which is producing 'spiritual' fruits) from the age of punishment

>more importantly, saves those who do not produce fruit or are struggling with potentially destructive sin. As in if they truly want to seek him, even if engulfed in sin, and if they have to go through tests and trials (appearing as though they won't be saved), he will not let them die spiritually (if they hold on) and will bring them out of that sin into a spiritually good life

People expect changes in happenings, yet often the miracle is progressive changes in our own character.

It's not what sins we do, it's what we strive to do about it (doing whatever we can no matter how small to seek Christ)


 No.114544

>>114543

If Adam and Eve lacked free will they wouldn't have been able to eat the fruit.


 No.114546

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>>114436

>EMT on /r9k/

REEEE Just kidding, I respect you but you post terrified me more than just about anything ive ever read or watched before. If there was anything that gave me cold feet for enlisting, this was it. Thanks for the insomnia and Thanatophobia

Best we can do is be the best people we can be, even if it seems counterproductive, and hope for the best. Even if there really is nothing after, perhaps others can learn something from our lives, either in a "what a great guy" or "what not to do lel" way.

>>114501

this one is pretty spoopy too.


 No.114547

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>>114436

Ok Lovecraft.

Many religions do provide that safety, and many if not most Christians are not genuine but merely seek that relief.

However, myself and many others base our belief in real interaction. Those who seek God will hear his voice, probably not literally, but things with relevance happen that many would say are mere coincidences, someone once said however they sure do notice a huge amount of these coincidences.

Then there are other interactions, actual, undeniable miracles; the supernatural happening right before you. I have witnessed some myself, yet ironically the thing that initially gave me belief was the demonic, both in what I research (how ingrained it is in society and governments) and subsequently in supernatural things happening afterwards (things not able to be labelled as mere hallucinations or coincidence).

God calls many, but chooses few.

Seek and listen, discern, choose him!

It cannot be expected that most people will hear him, find him or properly invest in doing so, the bible explicitly says multiple times this won't happen.

>>114539

I'm glad someone brought up science. Too many people have this inner conflict of believing in science but not trying to understand how this can fit in with their spirituality.

Bible says our souls will testify against us on judgement day, perhaps this could help clarify how souls fit in with our minds.

Our being, mind, is indeed the sum of the brains mechanics, and our soul might be an observer, not really being in control but simply observing, whilst our bodies are generally engineered whether in biology or in life's happenings towards a certain function of God's desire. Our body enables us to interact with creation both physically but also in thoughtfulness.

God must surely take into account things that happen to our brain when judging us.

I respect a desire for evidence, and there is evidence for God to be found, however it is unique to each individual and purposefully intended to not be something you can measure and prove to the whole world the same way you can prove oxygen.

There are many forces at work in creation that God allows, most people are led astray, but I believe in a time fast approaching were spiritual forcing will be most provable.

>>114544

Well if depends on the precise definition. They obviously chose to do whatever they did throughout their lives. Free will perhaps is a bad choice of language, in the absence of better wording.

It might be better to say once they ate the fruit, their decisions now involved an extra level of thought; their free will once being merely a means of decision making, now had huge consequences on how they thought, felt, how it affected others and their relationship with God.

The concept of free will was probably largely irrelevant before eating the fruit, there was nothing restricting their will; they didn't have to consider good and evil.

Keep in mind God had seen this would happen, allowed it, prepared for it and shaped the rest of creation's existence around it. The point being it was a part of God's plan for humans to lose innocence and gain an extra level of thinking/free will.


 No.114548

>>114539

There is a physical aspect, but I don't think consciousness is purely physical. I can't prove it, and it's a little hard to explain, but I think we all subconsciously meme our way into affecting causality. Sort of like how placebos can still make you better just because you believe they do. I hypothesize that there are sort of layers of existence, and that the physical world is something of an illusion. It's like in a video game, the world is just a bunch of frames put together in sequence, nothing is actually moving. The code in the background is as real as it gets, and the 'space' of the code is going to be worlds apart from the 'space' of a game. You might take a hit and take damage in a game, but all that really means is a number got subtracted. Maybe it's a similar thing in real life.

I'm not saying we don't just die, but I wouldn't rule out there being factors beyond our comprehension.


 No.114559

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>>114307

I know what happens to you after your death. You will meet a special someone in that other place.

His name is Tyrone Nightstick, the interdimensional incubus. In a time where more people worship the black cock than the gods, he has taken over the seat of supreme ruler of earth and has made it his task to let everyone receive equal amounts of black dick. After you die, you will be molded by by Tyrones enormous cock, until it can reach up to your colon. There will be not hatred or fear, only black cock.


 No.114570

>>114547

Lol fuck off christcuck, god doesn't exist and you can't hear him.


 No.114617

>>114436

I hope there is not an afterlife, I dont want to go hell, I love drawing cartoon porn and watching my little pony.


 No.114619

>>114570

>2015

>can't hear God

I'll pray for you


 No.114621

>>114619

Cool tupla, dude!


 No.114759

>>114546

>this one is pretty spoopy too.

Perhaps it would be less spoopy if I mentioned that it's more of a dream-like state than an entire life?

I just remembered another point, OP. Even if there is a heaven, even it would have to end eventually. All things must end. There is no "eternity". There may be a heaven where you feels like it lasts multiple eternities because it is outside of time, but it would end eventually.

I'll think more on this topic and post later.

Come to peace with closure. There is nothing to be afraid of, as there is nothing you can control.


 No.114779

>all this nonsense about death and religion

>nobody is talking about the most important thing: that dog-octopus-monkey-demon on the right with a facebutt

Look at that thing. LOOK AT IT!

More disturbingly is that anus: This was painted long before the advent of video porn, yet the artist had clearly seen allot of ruined anuses.


 No.114782

Honestly, lately I've been open to the idea that we're all the one God having lots of self delusi


 No.114783

>>114782

ional forays into this collective fiction we call life, basically hindu /buddhism shit without the cultural baggage.


 No.114791

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>>114779

>Anuses only existed after the 20th century


 No.114792

>>114791

Ruined anuses you retard. That is not the anus of somebody who has not been severely sodomized.


 No.114796

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>>114539

Underrated post..

All you think and feel is the product of biochemical activity inside your skull.

If we change those biochemical reactions,, your perceptions of the world change, your emotions change,, you change.

And when those biochemical reactions stop so do you.


 No.114797

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>>114548

>>114548

"I can't die forever. Not Me! Not special magical wonderful me! How dare the universe continue without me!"


 No.114799

>>114792

And that didn't happen before the 20th century?


 No.114863

>>114759

But if a God does exist why would his Heaven end?


 No.114865

>>114619

I don't think it's 2015 christcuck. Also, I won't ever be able to hear god since he doesn't exist and something that does not exist has no voice.


 No.114868

Man this has been on my mind so hard lately. I used to be a complete sjw atheist, but after finding /pol/ and all that I became Catholic again. Now, with all the bullshit with the Pope, and after realizing just how hard it is to follow Catholicism if you take the rules literally, I feel burnt out on that stuff. Also, I find it hard to believe that all other religions are false and their followers are going to hell. I hate the new age stuff, it is bullshit. I just don't know what to believe. I don't want to larp as a pagan either, and I like having good morality, like purity and such. I also think that there is a God, because we are conscious, and we are special. I just don't know what to believe about it, and I don't want to go to hell.


 No.114871

>>114868

>and we are special

Seems like you never stopped being a SJW after all. There are not a lot of differences between SJWs and christians anyway though.


 No.114890

>>114871

What I mean is, we, as humans, seem to be special in the universe. We have consciousness and can observe our surroundings in depth. I don't mean it in the sjw sense that everyone is special in their own way, I mean that humans seem to be important to the universe and something more than animals.


 No.114892

>>114890

Not really, we were just more evolved than other animals and decided to create stupid fairytales that people still believe in to this day while ignoring the lack of evidence for their religious nonsense.


 No.114893

>>114797

That's not even close to what I said.


 No.114901

>>114892

Fam, I don't think you understand what I'm saying, probably because I'm terrible at putting my thoughts and feelings into words. I see that a lot of the religious stuff is probably not true, but I still think there is a truth behind the myths. I believe this because we exist. We have consciousness. For all we know, we are the only intelligent beings in the universe, and because the list of things necessary for intelligent life to develop gets longer every year, I am starting to believe we may just be alone. I feel as though there is some purpose behind all of this. Not that I fucking know, and most likely neither do any of you. I do know that morality is important, and moral law seems to be somewhat universal, even though we don't know exactly what it is yet. It's all just so fucking confusing and while all this shit goes on I still have a fear of going to hell because I am disagreeing with the church, even though I don't really believe in that stuff.


 No.114947

>>114901

What if we're the only intelligent life on earth because our ancestors killed off our rivals? What if humans aren't the first sentient beings on earth and some other civilizations went to ruin well before our recorded history?

And ideas of morality really aren't universal, not at all.


 No.114983

>>114799

The artist is obviously christian yet has seen enough ruined anuses in person to want to paint one.

Sodomy is a sin.


 No.115017

Yup, ever since I was in kindergarten.


 No.115191

>>114436

Fucking saved.


 No.115193

I think I have something good for you actually.

You are not the sum of the atoms in your brain, you are the structure of the atoms in your brain.

And it stands to reason, if the universe is infinite, that there's something out there with the same structure of atoms in your brain that doesn't die when you die. This brain maintains the same exact experiences, up until the point you die. This means that your consciousness still remains in that brain, and you still "carry on".

I can explain more in detail if you faggots want me to.


 No.115194

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>>114369 >>114307

Heaven and hell is on earth. There is no life after death. Humans are not special and will die like every other animal and be forgotten.


 No.115195

>>115193

Yes please and thank you


 No.115197

>>115195

Picture this.

If I was to instantly terminate you now, and create an exact copy of you somewhere else, you'd think you'd be dead, regardless of the copy.So nobody in their right minds would want to teleport, right?

But that's not how it works.

Say I swapped out a single carbon atom from your body with another single carbon atom from somewhere in the universe.

That wouldn't kill you, right?

Say I swapped out 50% of all of your atoms with atoms from somewhere else in the universe. That still shouldn't kill you, as no one isotope is different from another isotope. It's not like your atoms have little name tags on them.

And the same applies for 100% of all your atoms. If you accept that swapping all of your atoms out isn't killing you, you should accept that teleporting isn't killing you either.

So teleporting doesn't kill you.

What if I keep an exact copy of you in a matrix-like form of stasis where it's brain structure is the exact same as yours. And then I terminate you, but keep the copy. What would be the difference between that and teleportation? Nothing

So if the universe is infinite, it stands to reason that there are an infinite amount of yours that survive through things that you don't, and so you never need to fear dying.

Any more questions?


 No.115209

>>114547

>>114543

Whatever you gotta tell yourself dude.

I'm glad you found something strong enough to push that mortal terror away.

>>115197

I used to think about questions like this as well. I will do you one better though.

Imagine that you were cut perfectly down the middle and then both halves of you were somehow kept alive.

What would happen to your consciousness? You would still have half a brain and studies have shown that people with half a hemisphere removed can still live and function. Aside from the differences between left and right brain though you would be two conscious versions of yourself.

What would happen to your sense of consciousness though? One minute you perceive the world through two eyes and two linked brain hemispheres, the next through a single eye and a single hemisphere (or perhaps not because I believe the eyes are controlled by their opposite brain hemisphere). It's still you but now in two distinct locations and forms. How would the 'you' that sees and experiences the world go through this change, what would the continuation of consciousness be like?

I once asked a psychology expert about it and he gave me the analogy that consciousness, as we understand it is a property not a condition/object(?). If you pour half a glass of water into another glass the water is still wet. The wetness being the equivalent of consciousness. Water has wetness and brains have consciousness. I still don't understand it and I try not to think about it too much.

I think it provides an interesting parallel to your statement about teleportation, which itself goes back to a philosophical debate about how much of a boat you can replace before it becomes a new boat entirely.

The problem, I think, with the teleportation statement is; that even if you could assemble an exact copy of yourself you would still only perceive the world from you own view. You would still only experience your own consciousness.

Whose to say that if aliens instantly swapped out 100% of the molecules in your brain with molecules from elsewhere, perfectly into their correct positions that your consciousness would continue? Perhaps the you that sees through your eyes would be effectively dead and the new you would just be a copy that had its own consciousness that told it that there had been no interruption in its existence. It would not believe that it had ever not been you but at the same time it wouldn't be you.


 No.115212

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>>115209

This is for you


 No.115214

>>115209

>Perhaps the you that sees through your eyes would be effectively dead and the new you would just be a copy that had its own consciousness that told it that there had been no interruption in its existence. It would not believe that it had ever not been you but at the same time it wouldn't be you.

Who is to say that every few moments an entirely new you isn't born, and moments later dies. The you from when you wrote that post is gone forever. Who was he? What was he doing? That was someone else.

The you that is reading my post is an entirely new one with an illusion of continuity. In a few minutes it will be gone.


 No.115216

>>114901

We aren't the only intelligent life. We are just the only life on earth that has language and higher reasoning abilities. Even dogs, ants, and fish have consciousness and intelligence. It's just that their mental abilities are weaker than ours. It's like comparing a modern supercomputer to a 1950's computer. Only difference is in power and ability.

As far as purpose goes. That's were things get murky. We want purpose because we like organization and linear concepts. I eat because I am hungry, I sleep because I am tired, that sort of thing. If there is no organization, if there is no purpose then this, all of this, is just pointless chaos.

Why does the universe exist? What came before it? What comes after? Is it all just one big pointless thing that loops endlessly onto itself in a ceaseless circle?

If that were the case I think I could cope with that. Knowing that none of it matters and it just goes on forever in a meaningless repeating cycle. I wish I knew more about physics so I could think about these things beyond the conceptualization of a layman.

Hopefully this world, the universe itself, isn't linear. That would be truly sad. To think that the universe itself is mortal and that there was nothing before it and that there will be nothing after it.

Because it's all gotta end some day. Eventually all of the matter reaches stability and there is no more fuel to burn. No more chemical reactions to take place, no more work to be done. Red shift means that eventually all of the matter in the universe will be so spaced out that there will be an eternity of distance between even single molecules. Everything everywhere going cold and silent, either for eternity or until the next universe is created. Hell, maybe we'd never see a new universe because when they get created they exist on a different plane. So for all we know this universe might be it for us and even if we figured out how to stop the aging process it would only delay the inevitable.


 No.115218

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>>115214

That's one of the reasons I have a phobia of sleeping.

It feels too much like dying.




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