No.1434
Take this:
Post your results, preferably in screencap form.
I score below average in only 3 out of the 10 categories and most particularly trend towards avoidance. That doesn't surprise me, it also runs antithetical to the extrovertism typically exhibited by most of the retarded-autist lolcow types and the mentally-deficient autists in general. I care about face, and experience too much embarassment, to subject myself to humiliation unless it is to prove that someone is a particularly egregious and sordid sadist who needs exposed of their fascade of all-encompassing liberal acceptance like that Jason prick.
Lolcowism was experimentation for me, more than anything. It confirmed everything I know about neurotypicals today.
No.1435
Oh shit, it would help if my short term memory was long enough to remember whether or not I posted a link:
http://similarminds.com/personality_disorder.html No.1437
I don't know if it was a good idea to take this slightly drunk but anyways here it is.
I am not really surprised with the results, but one exception is the OCD part.I have a lot of the classical symptoms, ever since i was a kid i often felt the need to turn in the opposite side after turning to pick up something or else someone would die, retarded shit like that.I knew it's stupid as fuck but some of that sticked to me even after i grew up.Nowdays i am often compulsive about washing hands and even numbers, like i would was my face or eyes an even number of times instead of an odd one.
I think i am more fucked up than this test shows, maybe because i am drunk i have dulled some parts of my weirdness.
No.1438
>>1435>4) The dramatic change through the centuries that has evolved socially, industrially, and economically, can be summed up by the term modernisation.Some of this shit lmao.
I don't think it tested dependency very well at all, honestly.
What do you think this says about me, Autphag?
No.1439
>>1437In my experience alcohol doesn't do terrible wonders for my introspection. Mild usage might do to some degree if I'm in the right physiological state for it, and my mind is clear, and if my predisposition to pesssimism is fully exert.
But there was a period through which I was drinking in spite of my physical illness at the time (post-stress fatigue) and it was simply exacerbating it to the extent that it was starting to affect me cognitively too. I became solipsistic, self-absorbed and unable to function beyond shit-speaking on Skype to my one friend. I somehow managed to do okay in College despite that.
I swore off the bottle permanently in late December of 2014. I haven't touched a drop in very close to 2 months and I hope to stay clean for the rest of the year.
Don't put too much stock in an online test especially when it was done in circumstances where your judgement is clouded. I'd revisit the test when sober and see if you get a score more accurately reflective of your true state of mind.
No.1440
>>143954m50n, you should really enable poster IDs so that I can remain identifiable even when Legion Faggotymous. I don't want to be banned simply for taking precautionate measures on somewhere like /cow/, only to forget to use my name when crossposting here.
No.1441
>>1438Now, as for
this array of results, that's exactly the trait I would've rated as your highest scoring one myself!
I was taken aback by the fact you had scored so high on OCD, only to realise that yes, your writing can be perfunctory to the point of over-correction at times (that's in spite of your mistakes) that it comes off as unnatural, as though you had paid specific attention to superficial detail.
No.1442
>>1439Yeah alcohol doesn't do much for my introspection either, if anything it makes me a bit more stable and sociable for a while, but then it gets me down really hard after the initial buzz.
However a lot of the questions in the test were related to technology and society, also stuff like secularism, on which i have a very stable stance and that definitely won't change even if i am deadly sober so doing the test again is probably meaningless.
No.1443
>>1441I was talking to Moss on Skype and I predicted, I PREDICTED that you'd say something like that lmao.
Okay, I'm a bit Narcissistic, I'll admit it.
I type naturally, honestly. All of my friends tell me I'm being too wordy but, and I'm sure you know these feels, how do you dumb/tone your writing down? I have seen you try and fail when trying to explain things to me in layman's terms, so don't tell me that it's easy for you as well.
No.1444
>>1442The test has a liberal, universalist, communitarian etc. bias to it, I'll admit, that makes it seem like the person devised it from a 'conservatism is a mental disorder' perspective that is divorced from the most objective practice of psychiatry.
>>1443Nice RDOS' scores. On my old autphag blog on tumblr (dunno if it's still up), if you go through it far enough you'll find mine. I scored strongly neurotypical on communication and only mildly Asperger on every other trait, though it was also this way in the direction of neurotypical for the same traits. Therefore I wonder if my Aspergers is a misdiagnosis and that, I'm in actual fact, schizotypal. They share a lot of symptoms!
I find it hard to think of 'simple words'. Whatever most recently acquired in my lexicon is what I default to. I read a lot of pretentious crap, so that reflects in my writing, despite striving for simplicity wherever I can as a stylistic preference. My honest feeling though (since I honestly don't regard myself to be universally intelligent) is that if somebody like me can understand the sort of material that I cover, then so can you (not specifically you, but in a more general sense of the word) also, if a little effort was invested on your part.
Nobody likes the rigour of a challening learning curve though. I've even encountered this with people supposedly 'smarter' than myself. They're the most intellectually lazy fucks on the planet, ironically.
No.1445
>>1444Thanks! I'm not really sure how to read it really anymore since I took that test ages ago. I don't know what your old tumblr is, or your new one for that matter. Mine is Legion Faggotymissyx.tumblr.com but it's just a girly aesthetic blog where I post nothing but nature and people and things that I find cute so you'd probably not want to follow me, haha. I'm also very inactive on it.
I concur with your statement though, it takes me only an extra moment or two after reading your posts to discern what you're trying to relate.
However in your vocaroos I find it extremely hard. How would you explain that, by the way? I have fairly good reading comprehension and I can listen very well to people's problems and such but when hearing academic statements out loud my mind can barely process it.
No.1446
>>1445kek that word filter. a n o n y m i s s y x . t u m b l r . c o m
Take that, Samson.
No.1447
>>1445>I have fairly good reading comprehension and I can listen very well to people's problems and such but when hearing academic statements out loud my mind can barely process it.Iktf, i thought it was because i was retarded.That's why i take notes of pretty much everything i need to know in uni.
No.1448
>>1447You're not retarded, don't worry, it's a completely common thing.
No.1450
>>1447>>1448It's a White people/neuromasculine/neanderthal thing. (When I say neuromasculine I don't even mean 'Asperger' so much as just relatively so, as in my view most Whites are).
Short term verbal memory is not up to par, so one relies on lexicographic cues such as in reading to properly memorize material. Even then, one can't properly convey it in a spoken context. I much prefer to write things for this reason. Neither of you two are alone in that.
No.1451
>>1445http://autphag.tumblr.comThis was the main blog for my trollsona (a 54 year old mechanic from Northern Ireland) that's not even updated anymore, and it hasn't been for over a year.
I've a more cringeworthy tranny SJW one (really I was using post-modernist speak to conceal fascist, neo-reactionary messages while saying it was the 'heterosexual matriarchy' that was the 'real oppressor' of transfolk and that the feminist-Trot lie of 'patriarchism' was a myth, but in doublespeak which made people think I was arguing for the opposite) – pink layout with girly shit and the works – which I'm not even showing you. That in itself hasn't been updated since February 2014.
No.1452
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Here's a less politically loaded test:
http://www.4degreez.com/misc/personality_disorder_test.mvThe more I do these, the more I'm concerned that my infantile autism diagnosis which became 'Aspergers' in 2008 was just schizophrenia all along.
No.1453
>>1451Autphag add me on Skype. :3.
No.1455
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>>1452Are you KIDDING me right now?
I felt like this one is much better. A bit too "black-and-white" for my tastes, but better (and probably more accurate)
Although I find my only "Very High" to be extremely upsetting. Please post your smug pepe face with your response to my result. It'll make me feel a bit better, even though you were
RIGHT ABOUT EVERYTHING OMFG No.1456
I think this test is more accurate, for me at least, though the questions about how other people perceive me seemed a bit pointless.
No.1457
>>1456How you feel others perceive you is a major diagnostic criterion of some of these personality disorders, in particular the para-schiz-schizotypy axis and I guess to a lesser degree, narcissism (everyone is jealous of me and they secretly adore me, but in the meantime I'll thrive off the hate towards me which I'm misinterpreting as a sign of envy!). In the case of the former, it's more things like "oh dear, it appears I am without partner in this world and as this peerless godhood-on-Earth, that I walk around as incorpereally on its very face, is being plotted against by the forces of mundane normies, even my loved ones, every gesture of theirs a concealed plan to undermine, humiliate, and destroy me by depriving me of my autonomy…' – This example quotation passage is merely to illustrate the kind of grandiose-yer-persecutory mentality of the schizotype, thoughts which plague me ofen, btw.
No.1458
>>1457Yeah what you are saying makes sense, but a question such as "Do others perceive you as being eccentric" is just really vague, and the people's opinons should be diverse but yeah i guess it still matters how you will answer it in a binary matter of a yes or no.
No.1460
>>1459>schizoid - low>borderline - low>avoidant - lowREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
No.1461
>>1460>Narcissistic: Moderate>Histrionic: ModerateRRRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
(And I was referring to Autphag, not you Dimmy.)
No.1462
>>1461Yeah i know you were talking to him but your normieness triggered me so i couldn't help myself.
No.1463
>>1462Is there anything inherently wrong with being a normie, though? I'll gladly accept it as a compliment, especially considering the nature of this thread.
No.1464
>>1459Singlemindedness does not make for intentional ignorance. I was too focused on Dimmy's post to remember whether or not you had posted, and that wasn't anything to do with preference, you did come before him in the post order.
Yes, it is a very binary test. This has its advantages, it allows for greater test selectivity, but at the cost of specificity, for an entire gradient of results is lost from the interpretation.
I'm just right. There's no need to be so upset about an observation. The first step to acceptance is self-awareness. And out of the narcissists I've seen, you're not exactly insufferable, which will make me wonder – I haven't viewed the criteria in a while – what your symtomal profile is really like (does it constitute classic narcissism?) and what exactly is the criterion arrangement impressing such an influence on the score as to inflate it, perhaps.
Though I think it would be about time to see a therapist or a psychiatrist who isn't just a pill-dispensing shrink. I'm far too gone for therapy; I deliberately missed the appointment with mine simply because I knew how futile it was. Everything is subsumed under my autism, when the only information they have is from a bunch of corrupt support workers' (who never see me btw) reports, who are trained to use their confirmation bias in such a way as to worsen the presentation of autistic symptoms and neglect other factors.
I would add you on Skype but I have a seive-memory and have already forgotten it by now.
No.1465
>>1463I guess it could be a good thing, since you don't seem to abuse frogposters for your own amusement.
No.1466
>>1465That's why I'm struggling to wrap my head around why Savannah is regarded narcissistic by this metric. That would be narcissistic behaviour, to make fun of others at their expense so as to feed your 'egotistical supply', as Sam Vankin would say.
No.1467
>>1466Okay, she did take an opportunity to pounce on me for expressing a dissenting view when we first encountered, and this would constitute narcissistic behaviour, but narcissists hold a grudge which, for her, didn't last long, thus confusing the presentation more. No.1468
Fuck, why am I studying law when I'm clearly more suited for psychology?
No.1469
>>1464Ah, that's fine, I was mostly just saying that to bump the thread, honestly. I've been bored out of my skull this past week sitting in my room. Normally I'm fine with that, however the only thing I've had to do for the past week is just browse r9k and r9trip.
Plus Moss is gone for the weekend so I can't bug the shit out of him with my obsessive orbiting so there's really nothing to do except refresh and bump nice threads.
I'm not upset that I'm a narcissist! It was sarcasm in a joking manner. Hard to convey meanings through text. A more proper word would have been "assblasted" or "buttfrustrated". Lmao.
If you're interested in determining my symtomal profile, I'm willing to chat with you about it or whatever. Your diagnoses are always fascinating to me, especially since they're so thorough and thought up in a short amount of time. You could be a therapist or something as your day job.
You just need to find an excellent therapist, as well. I can't give any encouragement past that since I've not personally found one that was suitable to my tastes and I don't fancy myself too peculiar, so I'm sure you'd have difficulties. Good luck, though!
Skype:
xxchibihimexxOld name, don't laugh.
>>1465>>1466To be honest, I might be a top quality™ shitposter, however I'm an extremely empathetic individual, to the point where I think it's excessive.
>Weep at all sorts of tearjerker movies>I cried when I heard about the shooting at Sandy Hook>I am the whiteknight for most robots who post about how they want to kill themselves>I told Haystack that she was too sensitive and needed to grow a thicker skin when people were being mean. She made a thread the next day some time after I had gone asleep threatening suicide. It was clearly a grab for attention but I still sent her a long message apologizing and felt horrible thinking about what my actions could have doneAnd I honestly have been a lot meaner than I'd like on 4chan when being smug in a response, but aside from that I'd like to think that overall I'm empathetic.
>>1467**I held a grudge against you at first because I thought you freaking out was kind of funny, but immediately felt bad afterward and expressed my guilt to the people in the chat. Thought about sending you an apology but they said not to bother.
Then when going on r9trip I saw you post while being reasonable AND Moss Hunter said he liked you and was your friend and I'm not sure if you've noticed but I'm his #1 beta orbiter, so. All of those reasons and the fact that I find you an interesting person led me to drop my initial impression of you and try to give you another chance. Again, I am genuinely sorry though for provoking you in our first meeting. I feel guilty about it every time we have a chat on here.**
No.1522
>>1443ok, i'll post my one of those graphs.
>>1452I'm not going to do the OP test, but I'll do this one. Just prefer it.
>>1469If haysack could just give the histrionics a rest and stop being such a drama queen in going on and on and on about how shit she is, maybe people would be more sympathetic. if anyone's mean to her it's just because they're sick of her shit.
i've no doubt she's a nice person otherwise, but internet strangers aren't the people to go to with those sorts of problems.
No.1523
>>1522ok, here's my personality disorder test results.
not one bit surprised that I got low in the ones I got low in.
Antisocial, "moderate"… don't know why it isn't low, but it isn't high either.
I definitely don't consider myself Borderline. In all I don't consider myself any cluster B personality disorder.
Obsessive-Compulsive I would have expected to be moderate.
Having read the wikis for Schizoid and Schizotypal, I kinda get why I got high in them, but I'd have though't I'd get highest in Avoidant.
No.1524
>>1523I think the reason I got high in the Cluster A's is because the questionnaire didn't delve into the why's of many answers. I think if you look at the root of my behaviours and thought processes it's a lot more akin to Avoidant.
No.1525
>>1523Also upon reading the descriptions of the Cluster A's, I'd have thought I was at the very least more Schizoid than Schizotypal.
No.1526
tfw normal fig
No.1527
>>1522guys, they've changed the metrics.
i did it again and look how lacking in people skills i apparently am.
No.1528
more of a shy boy than a psychopath
No.1531
>>1528Did you not read your own results?
Delta-percentage between average and your score for antisocial (commonly known as sociopathy) 67-46=21%, which is the largest deviation from the mean of all the results by far (at least going in the positive direction; delta-percentage is 17-45=-32% for OCD).
Forgive me for any arithmetical errors, I'm neither good at that nor abstract stuff; I'm only any good with stats.So you're a careless sociopath who does not pay particular attention to detail, with some cluster A traits, sure, but the differences in those didn't deviate from the mean by very much.
Even then, your antisocial score isn't terribly high. I score higher than you on this, and what sociopathic traits I have, are kind of balanced out by my hypersensitivity to situations, where even people who I don't particularly care for, I don't wish harm upon out of cautiousness.
Sorry for pestering you with trivialities, this is mostly a procrastination/boredom post.
No.1535
>>1531Oh! Do me next!
>tfw schizoid No.1536
>>1531>>1535Do me as well after him!
No.1537
>>1531In the kingdom of Samson, his subjects defect and kneel before Autphag, the almighty dispenser of knowledgeable insight.
No need to do me though, I reckon I understand myself well enough.
No.1538
>>1531>you're a careless sociopathnah id say im just a shy lad who wants to love/be loved
these tests are not accurate either way
No.1540
>>1535The most interesting thing about your score is that it shows how close a correlant schizoid P.D. is to avoidance, as Moss and I were discussing on Skype a few days ago, but they're not what I call exceptional scores; you're otherwise, as you said, a normalfag.
>>1536Your test was biased by drink, so the results aren't as reliable; the fact that schizoid traits didn't correlate with your high avoidance score renders its validity – maybe as a result of certain traits being exaggerated by drink to create a personality disbalance – in question.
>>1537Now, I'm no noble; just your friendly, neighbourhood sperglord.
>>1538Well that would fall under narcissism of which sociopathy is a close correlant; a need for self-adulation combined with (since you haven't expressed any) a lack of concern for others.
It's okay to be a sociopath you know. There isn't anything inherently bad about the condition until the point you inflict direct harm to others. Until then, you probably have a competitive edge in certain situations due to this empathic deficiency.
I'm not a doctor or a medical professional so take these results with caution and as having come outwith expertise in the field, although that being said, most NHS psychiatrists don't do "insight" very well, so going to see one, as has been my consistent experience, is next to useless. No.1541
>>1540>wanting to love/be loved falls under narcissismshut up fool
No.1542
>>1541Ego-defenses are also a sign of narcissism.
Given you come from /r9k/'s ilk, I can't be surprised.
No.1543
>>1542>implying i give a fuck what some autfag thinkstop kek fuck off you loathsome maggot
No.1544
>>1543>Deflecting a sense of feigned indifference.>Unwittingly displays overwhelming anger in the process.Stay mad, retard.
No.1546
>>1528take as much offence as you like, but sociopath or not your whole shy boy crap makes you look like a complete arse.
"but all i want is to be loved" bullshit, you think it's kooky and cutesy to act like that don't you?
i knew a guy like you in college, creepiest cunt around.
No.1547
>>1538also congrats on your completely unoriginal, textbook normie memeposting.
don't you belong on facebook?
No.1551
>>1547>hypocritsyou havent done anything but memepost about my memeposting
i didnt say all i want is to be loved, i just said i would like to love/be loved
>kooky and cutesyth-thanks you too
>i knew a guy like you in college, creepiest cunt aroundno you didnt top kek
No.1553
>>1551Not only are you a complete moron with all the reading comprehension of a 5 year old schizophrenic child in a mental institution, but it seems you have no introspection, either.
Figures that you would reject out of hand reproaches of your character. Do us all a favour and fuck off back to the cesspool that is /r9k/. They seem more on your low-frequency wavelength. Cheers.
No.1555
>>1553nigger my reading comprehension is fine, not having autismal levels of fuck about imageboard posts isnt being dumb either
atleast im not dumb enough to think that there can be a general solution to all of the worlds problems and "degeneracy"
top kek
No.1556
>>1555You've demonstrated that it's not, lol. You seemed to have parsed Moss' statement into one strawman because you're an idiot.
>Feigned indifference againBut we know that's just a neurotypical narcissists way of expressing latent aggression. Stop getting so buttflustered man.
>At least I'm not dumb enough…Actually it's called
metapolitics. You're not demonstrating that you're smart at all, just that you think only in the one direction due to terminal myopia. What a tool.
No.1557
>>1556why are you people so fixed on me being buttflustered narcissist
its hurting my precious ego
go play your fucking thought gymnastics then, pleb
No.1560
>>1557>go play your fucking thought gymnastics then, pleb
>thought gymnastics>pleblook, if you're going to try using big words to fit in, at least try to understand what they mean first.
No.1563
>>1560>big words>thought gymnastics>plebxdd
No.1565
>>1563you demonstrated a complete lack of comprehension for what the word pleb even means.
since when was thought gymnastics ever typical of plebs?
No.1567
>>1565I think he means in the 'social beta' sense rather than the intellectual sense.
I think he knows he's retarded, which is why he must try and better us in another area where he can compete, however unimportant.
No.1568
>>1567>debating about what i meani think you should fucking stop trying to understand what i write you pleb you are such a conformist
No.1569
>>1568>ONOES, DON'T QUESTION MY MOTIVES AND REVEAL THAT I AM THE VAPID SOCIOPATH EVERYONE SUSPECTED OF ME ALL ALONG No.1570
>>1569>MEMEPOSTINGle autists hypocrisy
No.1572
alright boys how crazy am I?
No.1574
>>1572your results say you're crazier than you come across.
although that particular test seems to over-report antisocial.
everything else, the Borderline, Histrionic, Avoidant, Dependent is in fitting with your character as per the posts of yours I've seen.
I don't know what Autphag would make of your high antisocial score.
I think he scored highest for paranoid out of anyone on this thread, hence the instant assumption that the test is correct in determining hidden sociopathy.
idgaf, at least you didn't pull of any shit like gsb did.
No.1575
>>1574>the Borderline, Histrionic, Avoidant, Dependent is in fitting with your character as per the posts of yours I've seen.Aw man, tfw crazy yandere disorders
No.1576
>>1572>>1575At least you're not a narcissist like I am.
No.1577
>>1572>>1574Rather hypocritically I've also the highest sociopathy score myself – though I think I've explained my acknowledgement thereof and attempts to control this, as well as mitigating factors.>>1575Hmmm. Avoidant and schizotypy's lack of correlance gives me suspicions every time this pattern emerges, that the test-taker was exaggerating their symptoms such that certain personality traits were over-emphasized compared to their normative occurrence among patients in the etiological research of clinical criteria. There is an actual personality test that a psychiatrist can administer (I don't remember what it's called but the name of the test was mentioned on one of the lol/cow/'s psychiatric reports) which actually corrects for this by weighing certain 'wings' of scores, if you like, against their associative correlants, such that if one mismatches compared to what's typical as seen in research, a red flag will be alerted to the therapist saying that the test
might've been biased by your subjective feelings at the time.Sometimes we over-estimate our own insanity as a form of behavioural self-policing, such that we see symptoms that aren't actually being presented at all. It might be over-introspection on your part.
No.1578
>>1577Vyro has a high Dependent score though, which juxtaposes Schizoid and Schizotypal.
Avoidant shares a desire for human contact with Dependent, but shares self-imposed social isolation with the Schizo ones.
So while having Avoidant might imply also being high in Dependent or Schizo, I don't think it would make any sense whatsoever for it to be comorbid with both simultaneously.
No.1579
>>1578A desire for human contact can absolutely juxtapose self-imposed social isolation if one is imposing it upon himself for the purpose of protection from being inflicted upon psychic distress by others, knowing that one's to have loved then lost the trust in others. Dependent-schizoid archetypes are conferred by Freudian psychotypology, c.f. the Oedipal complex in which men become infatuated with their mothers but begin to develop insecurity in the maintenance of their sexual integrity around them, thus traumatically disassociating with the female, denied of the associative power with them (unlike their female sibling counterparts who benefit from this). It is postulated by Freud's successor, Faust, that Schizo-Dependency, no not explicitly in those terms, can exist upon the activation of this complex by the newly-subjugated son's simultaneous disassociation from, and subservience, to his mother, and that is as such probably the likely cause for this condition.
No.1580
No.1581
>>1579You merely described Avoidant behaviour.
Schizoid is differentiated in that yes, the self-imposed social isolation is there, but the desire for contact isn't.
To put it in your chosen analogy of the Oedipus complex.
The Dependent becomes infatuated with their mother, and becomes clingy.
The Avoidant becomes infatuated, but avoids contact because of the undue stress it causes.
The Schizoid has absolutely no interest in their mother, yet still avoids contact because regardless of an absence of infatuation, the stress of maintaining cordial relations with their mother outweighs any emotional benefit because they find themselves incapable of gleaning any emotional positivity from the relationship.
No.1582
>>1581Subservience (dependence) of male subject to his female parental bearer, is derived from the disassociation (avoidance) from divine-feminine power. That was the connection implied over the permutations of my statements, the description of schizoid behaviour and its connection to associative dependency is described literally in the last sentence.
Close reading, lrn2.
No.1583
>>1582>the description of schizoid behaviour and its connection to associative dependency is described literally in the last sentence.but by PD diagnostic criteria, that Schizo-Dependency falls under Avoidant behaviour.
You're still affixing Avoidant behaviour to SPD.
No.1584
No.1585
>>1584Like or disdain him for spreading psychoanalytic idealism throughout the Western world that had wrought a superstition so deep that American women in the 1920s believed that one's neuroses could be fixed just by touching his hand, the primary disorders of the original diagnostic manuals – of which there were only several, before metamorphosing into several thousand different disorders today, from which they are derived – were fundamentally either found, or elucidated in their modern form (albeit in an analogous fashion rather than a descriptive one, with his archetypologies), by him.
No.1586
>>1585that doesn't mean he was always correct in his assertions.
the schizoid today is defined quite differently, and it's by today's definition that i stated my case.
No.1587
>>1586The difference is pretty superficial, one of nomenclature and specificity of description – symptomatic observation was an imprecise science in psychiatry during his time so he only had his own word-salad archetypes to work off.
I stand by my analysis, and the fact that descriptive specificity retards modern psychiatrist's ability to see the wood from the trees like Freud did.
No.1588
>>1587freud's lack of descriptive specificity is akin to me describing my main mode of transport as "a vehicle". such a description may hold true, but is it useful? no. a car would imply that I would have a license and flexibility to drive the most direct route from A to B whenever I chose. a bus would imply that i am constrained by the service times. a train would imply not only that i am constrained by time, but also constrained to the railtracks.
by simply stating that my main mode of transport is "a vehicle", i discount the myriad of other information which helps differentiate between each vehicle and its suitability for a given situation.
the differentiation between Schizoid, Avoidant and Dependent is quite simple, it only requires two metrics.
- Avoids social contact (+/-)
- Desires social contact (+/-)
The Schizoid avoids social contact and does not desire it.
The Avoidant avoids social contact but desires it.
The Dependent does not avoid social contact and desires it.
Freud failed to differentiate between Avoidant and Schizoid on the basis of one's desire for social contact - or at least he did from what I can glean of his thoughts from you.
No.1589
>>1588So the arbitrary metric of an empathy-systematizing paradigmitic continuum is egregious while we can excuse the same of the distinction between avoidance and dependence based on the false antonymization of their mode of social contact while presuming the inverse of schizoids?
With all psychiatric disorders, the hypotheses are long and the evidence is very, very short, meta-analytically inconsistent over multiple studies, with cherry-picking a
requesite to forming half the models you present.
Yet it's okay when your pet-disorder isn't being attacked. :/
Hmm, okay.
No.1590
>>1589what's my pet disorder, and whose pet disorder is being attacked?
i don't see how this is any different from the shortcomings of Cohen's EQ in its failing to differentiate between affective and cognitive empathy.
No.1591
>>1588Also, descriptive specificity in the case of your strawman, does not refer to a lack of precision in description as you had mischaracterized it, but to narrow to a given set of predetermined definitions the scope of a framework, not allowing it the interpretative freedom that wider analogies provide. The classification of disorder is where the science of psychiatry had turned awry, for the reason being that these classifications had not been developed on the disproof of these hypotheses as in normal science, which would inevitably result in these more abstruse and less paradimitically clear models, but in their
deliberate methodological fixing to provide certain outcomes of what could be construed as 'proof' which is for the record, if you remember scientific method,
not how to conduct science.
Psychiatry post-Faust is pretty much fraud on par with that typically describe of Freud by his detractors who are quite ironically, both their descendants and desecrators.
No.1592
>>1590This failiure of Cohen's model to differentiate constituent parts of an entity is supportive of my point, in that it's not differentiation, but conflation, which yielded your categories, per my description of the perversion of scientific methodology when it concerns psychiatry here:
>>1591 No.1593
>>1592ok now i'm confused. yes, i oversimplified the differentiating criteria, but my point was that i WAS differentiating between Avoidant and Schizoid and you/Freud weren't.
and if you're implying that such a differentiation between the two is arbitrary and has been affixed by modern psychiatry with ulterior motives, i'd have to disagree.
the desire or lack thereof for social contact is a huge factor with serious implications.
No.1618
I feel like explaining why I got the results I did, as it has sparked some debate. On all the questions regarding wanting to be without society, I gave the answer that would most convey my desire for isolation. This is somewhat thrown off by my answering of the questions regarding a desire to make others like you, which I answered by saying I would like others to like me.
This is because while I do desire to be isolated from the world, I also desire one romantic partner to isolate myself with forever. I care about nothing else in life, and my only drive is to find a girl willing to do so with me, so that we never have to interact with others and can just be alone together forever.
I do not care about what others think of me, and have no need for interactions or friendships beyond how they impact my ability to find this girl.
No.1619
>>1618with my own results, I criticised how the test didn't delve further into the why's for self imposed isolation (which helps differentiate between schizoid and avoidant). that was the other test though.
in your case, i think it reported it relatively accurately, especially given your description there.
>I do not care about what others think of me, and have no need for interactions or friendships beyond how they impact my ability to find this girl.there's so much wut in this. however, it also explains your high antisocial score, given your apparent willingness to use other people without much thought to reach that end goal.
No.1691
>because I'm not a cultural marxist I'm a paranoid antisocial schizo
Well, how about that.
No.1693
>>1691This one was also poorly made, because of the y/n answer format and the fact that most of the questions were too strongly worded, and easily tipped me off as to what answer they would allude to.
All the "do other perceive you as ___?" questions also annoyed me greatly, because I don't fucking know what others perceive because I am not others.
No.1698
>>1691that's why i never posted my results for that. they were actually significantly different because i refused to screw the test by pretending to be a social libtard.
No.1701
>>1698Fucking equating collectivism with compassion, that's some old bull shit.
And I think a lot of the answers that have been equated with borderline or paranoid could actually just be from the recognition of ones own flaws, eg:
>"Do you often feel like people are saying negative things about you behind your back?"While this could be paranoid behavior, in many cases it is not. I, for instance, am a strange fat little woman who often misinterprets social cues. It would be stupid of me to not realize my peers probably say awful things behind my back.
>"Do you often second-guess yourself"This seems like pretty standard use of prudence to me.
>"Are you quiet in social situations, often out of fear of saying something stupid?"I did not start out doing this, only through saying many stupid things and continually make an ass out of myself did I realize that it is better to contribute a little less to a conversation and make it well thought out.
These quizzes are written by normie scum.
No.1702
>>1701Unless you can prove it in the absolute – that you've overheard people whispering behind your back or see strange behaviour from people, and it has to be consistently 2 or 3, not just 1, suggestive of avoiding you – then it likely is paranoia in all cases where all of those cannot be ruled out.
Second-guessing often is a poor use of phrase here. By this they mean
consistently, not just on prompt by being confronted by something that compells you to question your abilities. Repeatedly doubting one's self (that is, over many times in the space of a few seconds) is a schizotypal manifestation of cognitive distortion.
The last one you've cited again comes down to degree of interpretation. They mean,
to the extent that you don't speak at all. This is a manifestation of avoidant behaviour. If you speak at all, then you're probably not as quiet as you think you are and can safely tick 'no' to this question.
I understand that this design wasn't terribly well thought out. Y/N to ambiguous questions can lead to false positives and negatives for many traits. The former test is much better in gradation but even heavier on political bias in the question items, and so the former doesn't mitigate the latter much.
No.1714
>>1702People regularly act as if they cannot hear me when I address them, shoot me dirty looks, and generally talk shit about anyone not currently in the room.
Online quizzes in general, whether they are personality, intelligence quota, or what have you, aren't really to be trusted. Particularly so if the subconscious rationalization of instantaneous dishonesty within the neurotypical you've mentioned in other threads is actually common.
Which is actually an intriguing notion, and if you have more elaborate cover on such that would be really neat.