No.670[Last 50 Posts]
Hey 54m50n,
How about we have a thread about how everyone got their trip names and discuss the creation of new ones
;^)
No.671
>>670Mine came from wanting to get into Bryology (the study of mosses and liverworts). Bryology was something I was getting interested in through my studying forestry, and I saw it as a good past-time to partake in instead of the futile pursuit of women, love and relationships.
No.672
I'm a jew, and when I came up with my trip I had long hair and was into l337 5p34k
No.673
>>672are you actually a jew? i thought you looked like one and your family pic looked all jewy too, but for some reason it didn't occur to me that you could actually be a jew.
No.674
(Classes cancelled today so I've some free time).
My name is a double entendre.
The most obvious implication everyone initially gleams from my name is that Autphag is a portmanteau abbreviation of 'autistic' and 'faggot', literally.
On a less literal level there is also the latent implication of a phonetic resemblance to 'autophagy'; I am self-consuming in that I debase myself enough to completely discredit myself.
There you have it.
No.675
>>674Actually, scratch that, my name is a
triple entendre.
As well as 'phag' being used in the literal sense to refer to homosexuality in the real world, it has always taken on a different meaning in chan culture where it is a denonymical suffix conveying affection towards a group, e.g. 'Britfags'. I'm an Autfag, and I'm not ashamed to show it.
No.679
>>673not really practicing, but ethnically I am
>>674>I am self-consuming in that I debase myself enough to completely discredit myselfI do the exact same thing
No.683
>>679i have an irrational fear and pathological distrust of ethnic jews, practicing or not.
runs in the family.
grandfather was in the hitler youth.
i'm trying to work through it.
my current theory is that rather than all jews being the puppet masters, only a select few jews (eg rothschilds) are hiding behind the ethnic group as a whole, you're their buffer, so whenever us goyim get angry the jewish population at large are the fall guys for those zionist psychos.
No.685
I guess you could think of my trip as a double entendre too.
Moss Hunter
Moshe Hunter
lol
No.686
>>683>only a select few jews (eg rothschilds) are hiding behind the ethnic group as a whole, you're their buffer, so whenever us goyim get angry the jewish population at large are the fall guys for those zionist psychosthis exactly. although the vast majority of fellow kikes I've encountered have been autists, psychopaths, or both (usually both)
No.687
>>686When you go on about being a Jew with long hair inspiring your trip, are you referring to Samson from Samson and Delilah?
No.688
>>687yes, as that was the first Jewish guy with long hair I thought of
No.694
A bunch of my ancestors fucked giant pale knuckleheads. As eons rent land bridges asunder and scattered the continents, homo neanderthalenus died off in it's purest form.
That's why I have red hair.
Maybe it's why I lack the basic creativity to use a trip that's not just a notable physical attribute also.
No.695
>>694>As eons rent land bridges asunderI dunno if I'm just extremely tired and/or ill, but
word salad.
The Neanderthals had a very high general intelligence to compensate for their linguistic deficiency, at something twice the current Mongoloid bifurcation of 96-120 Verbal-Visuospatial (judging by the area of skull underneath the prefrontal lobe, the average Neanderthal
g non-verbal IQ could've been anywhere between 130 - 140, their verbal lying at around modern Aspie levels of upper-80s/low-90s owing to atrophized left-hemispherical skull volume).
Anyway, that is why you can't have a dearth of creativity owing to Neanderthalic heritage, just as Neanderthalic heritage isn't the sole explanation for the Cro-Magnon Celtic mutation known as gingeritus. Cro-magnon were very verbally slick, but also very intellectually stupid, much like modern Irish and other lower-Caucasid populations, like the Arabs. This is why you can't think up of an artistically profound tripcode.
No.700
>>695[Eons] [rent] [land bridges] [asunder]
Subject verbed noun adjective.
Seems fine to me, but I'm practically retarded.
From my layman's piece of shit view, I look at a lot of rendered depictions of Neanderthals and think they look like me.
My redheaded genetics probably came in from my mother's Ukrainian or Norwegian roots, all Brit bongs (closest tie to Ireland) on my father's side were blonde haired.
No.705
>>694I understood what you were saying ginger.
As for Neanderthal admixture, you can test for that with both Genographic and 23andme.
I think it can go as high as 4% in anyone who isn't purely sub-saharan african (as neanderthals had long moved out and didn't mix with modern humans there).
I tested about 2.1% neanderthal.
No.709
>>705What is your opinion of the speculative theories surrounding possible mudslime genetic drift into the Celtic cluster, particularly from Moors? They had colonized Portugal and some say temporarily had some hegemony over Ireland.
No.710
>>709It would explain a lot the 7-12 point IQ gap between mainland European Germano-Nordids and the Celts subsequent to that drift.
No.711
>>700It's funny, according to schizophrenic diagnostic criteria, word salads can indeed be gramatically correct, they just lack contextual sense.
No.713
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name of the song is starless and the album is named red
This song had a huge effect on my youth
No.715
>>709I've never heard of Moorish hegemony over Celts.
I would assume this is relatively recent and unique to Ireland though, having been preceded by any notable migrations from Ireland to Scotland.
What comes to mind is one American of Irish gyppo background who wrote on a blog about how he'd tested for North African admixture. He was going on about the gypsies, but it didn't make sense to me as the Romani are of South Asian origin, not Middle Eastern. While it could have been possible that as Romani passed through the Middle East before eventually making it to Ireland, they could have intermarried, however this Irish gyppo had no South Asian admixture, only Middle Eastern (North African). Your theory would explain that. If his family had identified as gypsies or travelling people, I suspect they were native Irish travelers, not Romani, and that it was them who intermarried with the North Africans you speak of.
You're definitely not alone in thinking of the Irish as dysgenic. My dad thinks they're a bunch of dickheads too.
No.719
>>705I'm so disappointed that the FDA had to go and be little bitches about 23andme's health-related stats.
I've been holding off on buying a kit because I think I may be receiving one as a gift in the near future.
No.720
>>719get health results through promethease
only costs 5 bucks
No.722
>>720Thank you, I will keep that in mind.
No.727
>>670Mine is just my first letters of my whole name and the rest of it is just Random
But I lurk and post on here and on 4chan and on PonyChan
No.728
>>715Well, to put this Irish dysgenics into perspective:
It's been long known that males inherit neurocognitive characteristics matrilinically and females, patrilinically.
All of the females who had been begat from my father all have some form of learning difficulty.
None of the males do (myself and my younger brother). We both tested via. Raven (iqtest.dk; it's a like-for-like replica that's completely randomized) as above average (myself 119, my brother 125). This is consistent with half-Mongoloid averages (what my mother is).
We had administered the same test to my sister under as controlled a set of conditions we possibly could (getting them to shut up for a few seconds). She had scored
eighty-fucking-three. This is not far below the Raven results from tests conducted in Ireland by Lynn, at about 87.
She had clearly inherited autosomal dominant Irish low-IQ genes.
Another explanation is that high testosterone levels in the aminiotic fluid increase the likelihood of high IQ males but also of low IQ females (females have heightened androgen receptor sensitivity and too much is as bad as too little). Mongoloids on the whole have slightly below-Europid testosterone titers (this is disputed somewhat, a few studies on remote clusters of Chinese have yielded very high testosterone titers that exceed Blacks and are on par with Jews); their women and men are less sexually dimorphous however, resulting in significantly higher levels for female serum testosterone concentrations of Mongoloids vis-a-vis Europid counterparts.
I think both genetic and intraenvironmental hormonal factors have a role to play here. Or she could have just been an anomaly.
No.1069
Oh shit, I forgot to check this thread. Thank you all for your responses, it has been enlightening. I am still considering whether or not I should create a trip after being on 4chan daily for 5 years and am having trouble thinking of a name. I suppose I could use "Savvy" but it seems too generic.
>>683>>671>Moss Hunter posts in my threadNeat. I truly enjoy all of your posts and the more I learn about you, the more I enjoy your presence.
>>674I always assumed for some reason you were Australian. Thank you for clarifyi->>695 HAHA YOU'RE THAT GUY I PISSED OFF ON SKYPE BECAUSE I CALLED YOU OUT ON YOUR PSEUDOSCIENTIFIC BULLSHIT. Sorry about that, friendo :^)
No.1070
>>728>Spouting all of your wordy bullshit>Using the intelligence quotient as an objective, measurable statistic to base others intelligence/self worth on.>Even worse, using a free, online IQ test rather than an "official" one by MENSA or another group of equal or greater merit.Hahaha, oh wow.
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No.1072
>>1070Raven sub-test is one of the tests used by such organizations anyway, imbecile.
Raven is most g-loaded test in existence. This is because it is free of culture. It only tests abstract, symbolic relations. Females tend to be inferior in this than wordy nonsense like you seem to immerse yourself in.
Blacks, as do White women, perform more poorly on Raven than word-based IQ tests. Mongoloids, as do White asperger, perform better than on verbal. White, neurotypical men and women don't tend to have any major discrepancy,
being so highly homogenized in neurostructure anyway. (I blame the inbreeding of your inferior Celtic people).
Raven tests a component of IQ called IQf, meaning fluid intelligence.
I can tell Aspergers runs in your family. You have alexithymia, ergo, you
still believe, right up to now, that you had enraged me rather than simply became pissy and innegotiable. Emotional projection is typical of autism. Maybe you would do well in the Raven, then.
No.1073
>>1070Anyway, 54m50n, ban this Legion Faggot.
No.1074
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>>1070If you're so averse to what you view as 'liberal pseudo-science' (trust me, that's what you're into with that literal retard Grandin,
who hilariously scored beneath a 70 in the Raven IQ test), let me cite a racialist in the embedded video then:
Rushton in this video explains 'dynamic spatial ability'. Neurofeminines (White neurotypical women, schizophrenic and transsexual/pseudofemale men) like yourself, despite, as a White, having larger brains than negroids, perform worse on Ravens tests because a lot of its items are just replications of physical motions in abstract, symbolic form (noticed by Moss Hunter when I had him do the test; he got a score of 126, btw).
If you cannot track a moving target in the real world, which Rushton explains (skip to 3:02), then we can infer that you cannot visualise those same motions in visuo-space, due to female's relative visuo-spatial retardation.
So I suggest, that you should put your static visual superiority (which Rushton explains you have an advantage in) into action, and shoot yourself as a target. That might be the first thing you've ever succeeded in.
No.1075
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i got mine because I posted this picture of myself in a /soc/ thread or somewhere and multiple people said I looked like a caveman. also multiple people have told me i look like a white andre3000
p boring story
No.1077
>>1072>Still believing that any test designed to measure intelligence has any relevance or scientific merit>Still believing that intelligence tests currently, even ones such as Raven, are valid.I took the test a while ago and received a 116, faggot. It hones in on pattern recognition and ignores other aspects of IQ tests; I'd consider it one of the worse ones I've taken.
The only reason you're speaking of Aspergers is because you remember me specifically mentioning in our conversation that my half brother has Aspergers.
I don't believe I have alexithymia, regardless I don't try to label myself with everything under the sun that could possibly fit my character. You sound like you've a severe case of hypochondria which you also go further than normal and project it on others as well. Although I'm not a doctor, so I honestly don't know. Come back when you have your doctorate and can use debates and any dissenting opinions to become more well rounded rather than taking everything so personally and as cruel criticism to which you sperg out at.
>>1074I'll agree that pattern recognition and visuo-spatial tests are not my forte, so I won't argue that as I personally confirm the statistics, however categorizing approximately 51% of the population in this way is just silly. I'm sorry I seem to frustrate you greatly and it makes me sad since that's not my purpose in discussing this with you.
And of course Moss Hunter received a high score because he is an extremely intelligent individual. No.1078
>>1077>tfw realized my reaction image says definitly instead of definitely.Aw man. I apologize for using such a terrible image while trying to have a somewhat serious discussion with you, Autphag.
No.1084
>>1069>Neat. I truly enjoy all of your posts and the more I learn about you, the more I enjoy your presence.Well if I end up losing your respect for saying one thing or another, sorry I guess…
As far as Autphag goes, he obviously comes with a hell of a negative reputation, but I enjoy my discussions with him and will continue to talk to him. Regardless of the technicalities of his pseudoscientific ideas (I can ignore the details if needs be), he's one of very few people who in having a conversation with, I find my attention drawn to certain subjects in such a way that I can learn more about stuff and further articulate my own ideas.
If anything I do say in the future causes you or anyone else to take issue with me, fuck it, I don't really care all too much. Just realise a lot of it is me thinking aloud. Nothing's set in stone.
For the record, I'm ignoring Autphags rantings about the alleged inferiority of Celts.
I'm assuming you're Crane? I agree with your point about trying to attain a high level of education before spouting dissenting opinions, however this isn't always feasible.
No.1089
>>1084W-w-wait are you Moss Hunter? I'm so confused.
Yes, I am Crane. I created the thread and am the anime shitposter, 54m50n told me to get a trip though so I chose Crane because:
A) There's a Naval base in my area named Crane
B) I'm learning Origami and I am leaving little cranes around just to fuck with people
C) The first real story I was familiar with when I went on 4chan was the "It took a crane to get it out" post.
Regardless, I understand his appeal and I'm not petty enough to dislike you in any way for merely associating with him so you don't have to defend him or anything. I think he's an alright guy, just cannot stand when people are adamant to the point of being unreasonable (especially when they could possibly be wrong) and must consistently claim I'm inferior in some way (either for gender reasons or, in Autphags case, since I'm a "celtic cromagnon" [I don't believe it.])
No.1091
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>>1089yeah i am (check the trip)
when reports of Putin being asspie blew up, i got all pissy and took on my russian pseudonym.
so you're the motivational crane person? that idea of yours certainly had wings
shh, just laugh, it's meant to be a punanyway, paper cranes, naval base cranes and construction cranes aside, i'm more a fan of real cranes (pic related). i thought it'd be pretty cool to reincarnate as a migratory bird, and eurasian cranes are a hell of a lot cooler than geese.
No.1092
>>1091Ooh, I don't really keep up with trips in a stalkery way, more I just enjoy reading the drama threads
because I'm a nosy faggot so I didn't know you had a second trip.
Ahahah if I were to be a bird I think I'd be a…..Raven. After all, they're very…intelligent.
euheuheuehueh No.1093
>>1092how about a cross between a crane and a raven…
a craven
dalethat's a fancy brand of milk btw No.1095
>>1093That sounds cuter than Crane, so I'm gonna steal this. Thanks dear
No.1112
>>1077>use debate and dissenting opinionThat's hilarious, considering you literally think in the space of a celtonegroidic soundbite and don't defend your positions very well considering the length at which you prattle on, and on, and on.
Of course pattern recognition and visuospatial tests are not your forte. Celts are somewhere in between real Europeans and Negroids in their respective positions on the systematizing and empathizing dichotomy ala Cohen. The Irish are known for the grandiose and manic literary art, like Shaw and his Fabianism-inspired ramblings, and they do show very limited proficiency for the soft sciences, but haven't invented anything even near as close as much as their Scottish counterparts, let alone other real Europeans, due to a lack of ability to exploit scientific systems enough to produce anything of worth.
Anyway, your own opinion on the alexithymia which you deny is pretty worthless. It shows a lack of introspection. That you can't see I'm not frustrated though, and force your will upon me incessantly, is concerning nonetheless.
Do ensure you do not blow a blood vessel in your cranium from all this repressed rage.
No.1113
>>1095Also,
Moss, I've ordered the tickets for our meet-up in Perth but I might have to come a bit later than 10. No.1117
>>1113not to worry, we'll swap numbers on skype and that way i can kick about the park until you arrive.
No.1138
>>1112Honestly every time I read your posts I giggle. I also refuse to take the time to try to decipher your bombastic rhetoric word-for-word, so I'll just let you win since it's 1 am and I honestly am too tired to think of a proper reply.
Perhaps you're right, though, honestly, since my visuospatial tests are horrid and I'm falling under your statistic. I just don't want you to keep calling me a nigger, it's genuinely upsetting kek. I'm tempted to order a DNA test so I could argue with you factually however I feel like that'd be taking this a step too far.
Also, I've been really freaking out about one of your posts since I've read it.
>"I can tell Aspergers runs in your family."Would you care to elaborate on this (in layman's terms) for me, please? My half brother and I recently became close with each other over Skype and a few months ago he confessed to me that he indeed had "Autism Spectrum Disorder" and was a friendless KV and it sort of came as a shock to me. My mother had always suspected he was autistic but my father is a dick and would vehemently deny any claims.
My mother and I had a huge discussion after this and I realized that DOES seem to run in the family, my uncle Shan most definitely is somewhere on the spectrum as well with my half brother and my father most likely has Antisocial personality disorder. The rest of my family is/has been a drug addict, depressed, had some sort of anxiety disorder or a miscellaneous mental illness. The only exception really is my mother.
Point being, it *does* run in my family. Since I found out my half-brother was indeed diagnosed and is a confirmed aspie, I keep pestering my mom to ask her if I had any noticeable signs. She's constantly reassuring me that I'm not autistic in the slightest however you seem to think otherwise. I need to know if you were just trolling or if you've your reasons for making this allegation.
pls respond
No.1142
>>1138>I just don't want you to keep calling me a nigger, it's genuinely upsetting kek. I'm tempted to order a DNA test so I could argue with you factually however I feel like that'd be taking this a step too far.Yeah a DNA test would be pointless. What Autphag is saying is that, through the smarter ones emigrating, the remaining population of Ireland now has an IQ comparative to that of black people.
He's not implying you are of african descent. At least I don't think he is, I've kinda skimmed through a lot of your arguing.
As far as aspergers running in the family, I'm almost certain I got it through my dad as his side of the family is very neuromasculine. My mum's side is more neurofeminine, but that hasn't stopped some of the non-gender traits exacerbating my autism.
I'm the first in my family to be diagnosed though.
A cousin on my dad's side was diagnosed with ADHD as a kid though, but he's socially apt and a confident extrovert so we couldn't be more different.
I don't have much to go on as far as you are concerned, just your writing. I've spoken to a few girls with varying degrees of autism, and seen some in documentaries.
Based off that, I'd say it's entirely plausible and probable (especially given your family history) that you're somewhere on the spectrum, but only minimally. As far as socialising goes, your upbringing has probably done more damage than any autistic spectrum disorder you may have.
Keep in mind the woman I have in mind when thinking about exactly how autistic you may be, has progressed enough in relationships to be engaged twice, and it was her who got cold feet and ditched her prospective husbands so if you can work through your anxiety issues etc, you shouldn't be too inhibited otherwise.
No.1150
>>1138In layman's terms, well, it's not very compressable in layman's terms because of the genetics involved and I would still need to word-salad about modes of inheritance using nomenclature specific to biology. It's not because I'm a pretentious fuck that I use such terms, that's simply what I've been given in my investigation of such matters. I'll try to make a conscious effort to spare you of anything technical this time though:
Males and females have different modes of inheritance for the condition, based on a hypothetical model (again proposed by Cohen but in partnership with an actual geneticist) that was drawn up on a comparison of familial histories between a group of male autists and a group of female autists that were originally recorded as part of Kanner's cohort.
It seemed that for the female autists, it was the fathers who had more autistic traits, while for the male autists, their mothers seemed to exhibit some, albeit very mild and latent, ones. (Paradoxically of the full blown autistics those parents had begat, it was the
female autistics that had more severe symptoms. This paradox is yet to be solved, though we are getting close with MRI scans done of female autists, and accompanying comparative genetics studies in the pipeline.) This had led them to devise a gender-differentiated theory of opposite-sexed paternal inheritance; men from their mothers, women from their fathers.
Therefore, I have reason to believe that you likely don't have autism, and your high score as recently attained on Cohen's EQ test would suggest, since his test is not one of
affective empathy but of
cognitive empathy (which sociopaths exceed in), that you might simply have your father's ASPD, but as far as that goes, this is all very speculative and I wouldn't actually worry about anything you've never been diagnosed with. The diagnosis (and this goes for
all; of psychiatry btw), by and large, is useless. It simply traumatises men into becoming shut-ins, like your brother, and myself.
On my argument about Irish IQ scores, I invite you to go search the Lynn studies. In a small country townhouse school in County Armagh, the Raven IQ test was administered to a few hundred school children, normal procedures to ensure a methodologically sound testing environment were taken, which would make it an especially solid study,
if the sample used wasn't so exceptional (of course country yokels will be dumber than the nation at large). A mean score of 87 had been yielded in Lynn's averaging of the data, but some who have reviewed that contest this score, saying it was closer to 90.
Subsequent tests were done by Rushton and his team using the Weschler, this time done in a University in Dublin. The average IQ of the students at that University was 109. Given that students are typically 1S.D.+mean, that gives us an average for Ireland of 109-14=95 (the Irish standard deviation from the IQ mean is 14 rather than 15 points elsewhere, due to a narrower range, likely caused by decreased genetic diversity).
Ireland may be as smart as a 95, which isn't a terrible score, and not so comparable with Blacks, but it still trails Northern Europe by 7 points. Ireland's economy has actually developed far beyond the expectations that would be set for it by its IQ, being one of the more prosperous in Europe, which has now put Tatu Vanhanen on thin ice as to the veracity of his GDPPC(gross domestic product per capita)-IQ correlations that you can find in the book
IQ and the Wealth of Nations.However, an important caveat to make is that the Irish in America are probably even smarter than that still. Tests were conducted by Boas in Irish-American communities all over the States, and he seemed to derive scores in-between 101.5 and 103. This is slightly above the American national average of 98 (not the White average of 100; the 'national average' includes the negroid and metizo minorities). Selective migration theory seems to make the most sense in accounting for such a trend.
I wouldn't have anything to worry about really. I have other reasons to disdain Celts than low IQ; even the Celts in America seem fairly predisposed to sociopathy, for example, being more criminally predilected than their Anglo counterparts.
No.1151
>>1150>paternal inheritanceACH. Should be
parental. Sorry for the mistake.
No.1152
>>1151>wanted emphasis, got spoiler insteadFuck me.
No.1153
>>1142>What Autphag is saying is that, through the smarter ones emigrating, the remaining population of Ireland now has an IQ comparative to that of black people.Yes and I completely understand that and I'm not trying to argue that he's wrong about that, I just am not seeing how it's relevant to me/the initial reason we even started this debate. We first began bickering on Skype merely because he took a look at my photo and did interesting analysis (similar to what Dimmy was describing when an artist called out his features but Autphags was more pseudoscientific as he was using phrenology) and claimed that I was a Cro-Magnon Celt when in reality my family has been in America for a few hundred years and prior to that we were a fine European blend rather than being solely Irish.
My aunts (Melody on my mother's side and Ginger on my Fathers) have both been interested in Genealogy. While I haven't had the chance to look at the trees myself since Melody talks more than anyone in the history of the world and lives in Arkansas and my father's family is estranged, I've asked around and Melody has said so far on my mother's side that most of my ancestors were scattered all over Central/Northern Europe in Prussia and on my Fathers side mostly in Ireland and Spain. Prior to that, we were, y'know, all over Europe, so I'm just like any other normal Caucasian and not closer to Negroid than either of you.
I honestly cannot ascertain whether or not someone has Aspergers because I've known quite a few of people who've been diagnosed with it (my half-brother on Skype for a year before he told me [of course my mom had suspicions but I wouldn't have been able to tell if she hadn't said anything], a guy who I went on a date with from 4chan last year, one of my close friends IRL, the list could go on) and I've never had a passing thought about them possibly being autistic until they told me.
What about my writing makes you believe that I could possibly be on the spectrum? I'm not trying to be defensive (hard to convey feelings over text) but I'm merely interested in how both you and Autphag have deduced this. Are you saying that due to my writing style you can tell I
don't have it and it'd only be plausible that I'm minimally on the spectrum, or that you think I ''do' from my writing and you'd need to interact with me outside of text to ascertain more?
I've worked through my anxiety issues and depression, honestly, and for the most part they're an issue in the past. I think that my upbringing (I was raised by my mother and am close with her side of the family, didn't meet my father until I was 13, she left him when I was 2) hasn't inhibited me too much. I've never done drugs, never smoked, never drank, never have broken a law (besides, well, silly ones like Jaywalking and Piracy ones), never have cut classes, never have been arrested/had detention, etc. So I'm fairly certain that while sure I have a minimal sexual history that I'm a relatively decent person/good daughter. And yes, while I have moved around the States every 6 months to 1 year, I've managed to make good friends everywhere I've gone (pic related, my current closest friend) and have a healthy, active social life. I might be a bit more callous/cold and have a harder time developing close bones, but that doesn't necessarily constitute autism nor is it definitively due to my upbringing (I could just naturally be somewhat of an ice queen, who knows)
But yeah, I appreciate your response :3~
also hey if you wanna, uh, interact with me outside of text you should add me on skype :^) ;^) ;^) ;^) ;^) :^) j-just kidding pls no bullyunless you do wanna add me on skype which is 100% okay No.1154
>>1153An autistic female having a social life is a rather obfuscated factor in the preclusion that social life has of their autism, simply because women require less of a personality and have a lowered bar for peer acceptance by both sexes.
You could be an autistic, robotic femalewhore whose only redeeming factor socially is that she fucks everyone, and get by absolutely fine. I know plenty of autistic women like this.
I'm not saying you are, as I had said in my previous post.
I guess Moss' angle with your writing style conveying some autism is that autistic women tend to have more grammatical facility than neurotypical women, who don't systematize for grammar at all generally speaking (and so, are horrible writers, even if they're okay at verbal communication). I would disagree with him. You've missed several possessive apostrophes, for instance, and engage in run-on sentences often.
Sociopathy could be indicative of coldness where autism isn't explainable by the absence of a social life. It's just an idea and I'm merely the messenger of diagnostic criteria rather than trying, specifically, to analyse yours.
No.1155
>>1150 I appreciate you trying to simplify what you've learned from your studies for me, thank you.
>It seemed that for the female autists, it was the fathers who had more autistic traits, while for the male autists, their mothers seemed to exhibit some, albeit very mild and latent, ones. (Paradoxically of the full blown autistics those parents had begat, it was the female autistics that had more severe symptoms. This paradox is yet to be solved, though we are getting close with MRI scans done of female autists, and accompanying comparative genetics studies in the pipeline.) This had led them to devise a gender-differentiated theory of opposite-sexed paternal inheritance; men from their mothers, women from their fathers.Well, this for me would explain absolutely nothing since I'm fairly certain I don't have ASPD (I even took a few tests just now to see if even the shittiest of all internet medical tests would even attempt to speculate that I have ASPD and none of them said I showed any sign. I could go to a doctor but they'd probably say the same). However, for my brother, this is plausible since his mother is, well, kind of a "weirdo" according to both of my parents. She's a self-proclaimed psychic (and kind of "a bitch" according to my mother) and she also monitors all of his social interaction (she had me message him by emailing her so she could scan our messages first and sometimes she wouldn't even let him reply, she'd reply and pretend to be him, she's fucking strange). So I'm not sure whether Kim is on the spectrum and I honestly doubt it, she seems like an overbearing, authoritarian normie mom for the most part however who honestly knows. My brother probably is a bit worse on the spectrum since he tells me that he has no friends besides his mother (and of course now me. He keeps inviting me to come move in with him to Uruguay because then I'd be his first friend besides his mom that could hang out with him. ;_; my heart.)
So yeah, I'm glad that you elaborated on this and I appreciate that you're now telling me that I don't have autism haha. I was just concerned once you posted that statement since you seem to be a very scientific, factual person. I'll cede on my position concerning the IQ studies done in Ireland, however I urge to you reconsider how important Intelligence Quotients generally are. You seem to value the number higher than most, and while I am slightly "racist" according to some since I note statistics for racial groups as well, I follow the crime rates moreso than their intelligence.
Pics related, they're of my brother and his mother/grandfather.
No.1156
>>1154>You've missed several possessive apostrophes, for instance, and engage in run-on sentences often.Lmfao thanks Autphag. I'll admit you made me giggle though.
I must also, sadly, agree with you, as my AP Literature teacher notices these faults in my essays as well(ex: http://tinyurl.com/lofhwpg)I'm going to completely disagree with you though on your statements that it's possible I have a poor personality and fuck my way into social circles. I've had a total of two partners and had sex only four times in my life, so while yes I have engaged in this type of behavior I tend to keep this aspect of my life private and it doesn't have any influence on my socializing. And I can assure you that I'm not a sociopath either.
:^) I appreciate you trying to be HELPFUL instead of HURTFUL, Autphag.
I like my personality No.1157
>>1156If it makes you feel better, I failed our equivalent to your AP in English, getting a D in the final preliminary exam I did before dropping out of secondary the first time, but not because of my grammar. The bitch thought I missed 'obvious detail' in my essays (well yeah, autists select their attention towards non-obvious detail, but she called this 'irrelevant detail').Well, it's not as if I have the benefit of vicariously living through your experience to judge such things. But I do know that it's the tendency of neurotypical women to embellish things, since they say things often to look more sympathetic, when in actuality their friends fail to corroborate it. When ever your friends don't vouch for you, it's likely you've been caught out in a lie. I don't know them either, though; the best I can do is similarly cede my argument in the absence of sufficient information.
To 'fuck into a social circle' though doesn't have to be a direct relation of 'my romantic life is private and seperate from my social life ergo it has no influence on my socialization!.' You don't need to engage in explicit gamous activity with the men of that social group. Women have pedomorphic appearances for the reason that it gives them an evolutionary advantage of seeming non-threatening, when they really are; 'tend and befriend' or as I call it, 'tend and betray'. Social behaviour and sexually dimorphic traits, and their influence on gamous activity, and thus, the influence of gamous predilections on social activity, seem to be a fairly interrelated vicious circle of female "privilege", so to speak (I know that's a bit SJW for you, hence it's in inverted commas to convey that I'm not using the intended meaning).
Also assuming whether you are or aren't isn't sage either. The truth could be somewhere in-between our explanations (you're borderline but it mostly manifests in narcissistic traits rather than anti-social ones, for example); in a dichatomical opposition, my experience is that the answer is somewhere along a concessionary middle-ground.
No.1159
>>1157Well all of this is just you pulling it out from negative experiences with females in general and a pessimistic outlook on us.
I'm sorry that you were hurt this badly by women in the past to hold such low regards for my gender. Hopefully someday you meet a girl who leads you to believe otherwise.
No.1164
>>1153> Are you saying that due to my writing style you can tell I don't have it and it'd only be plausible that I'm minimally on the spectrum, or that you think I ''do' from my writing and you'd need to interact with me outside of text to ascertain more? moreso the former than latter.
as for skype, yeah maybe i'll add you next week. this week's busier for me.
>>1154you certainly have your way with words
as for disagreeing with me, fair. it's not as if we're going whole hog with our spelling, punctuation and grammar in our word salads either.
anyway Craven, I'd probably take Autphag's word on your not being on the spectrum. I'm only starting to learn more about what it's like being an autist. I've only ever seen it solely through the lense of the difficulties it has caused, never got a more complete picture of it, so i'm not the best person to ask.
>>1159>I'm sorry that you were hurt this badly by women in the past to hold such low regards for my gender. Hopefully someday you meet a girl who leads you to believe otherwise.this is never going to happen. i can just tell it won't.
No.1166
>>1159'Hurt by' isn't the word I would use, for this would imply I have an emotional stock in them. I don't. 'Annoyed with' would be a more apt way to describe my relationship to them (as opposed to 'with them', for this again would refer to an active relational state which would never happen).
The outlook of the women is pessimistic from an objective vantage point as well as that of my subjective experiences if we look towards assessing the whole picture of femalekind as it stands. Your main contribution to society is childbearing, to civilization is cleaning and cooking, and to culture is… I'm actually stuck on the last one, because those can't be described as 'contributions' to anything other than the degeneration of said culture (Fifty Shades for example).
On this track record, even homosexual males have more under their belt. Alan Turing, Oscar Wilde, and today, O'Meara and his writings on Queer traditionalism, who remains the only opposition to liberal LGBTism since Lauretson (author on alternative histories of the homosexual movement that run contrary to the modern narrative) died.
Even suppressed "transsexual"/pseudofemale schizoids – who would have previously simply acted out their compulsions in a homosexual capacity – probably have more under their belt, in that prior to HRT and sex reassignment surgery, they had no access to mimicking the substance of female privilege. (And no, before you start again, I don't condone that! Take it from someone
who experimented with themselves using estrogen when they thought they were transgender.)
I've made peace with who I am, and my dislike of women does not inform my current orientation, actually if anything the causal relationship runs oppositely, because as someone who isn't heterosexual I'm afforded an objective viewpoint from which to analyse heterosexual relationships, and the unilaterally exploitative nature of them which usually is perpetrated by the women.
Sorry if all of that deeply offends you. I truly am, because I'm not even a sexual saboteur. I value heterosexualism myself because I think eugenic reproduction is very important (and hence, why it makes even more evolutionary sense for me to stay a faggot; does anyone want my autistic genes pitter-pattering around?).
I'm disgusted by how modern women have turned it into a hypergamic monopoly on a level of genuine conviction that goes beyond the 'sour grapes' you appear to attribute to my rhetoric.
No.1167
>>1166I think you're being a little hard on the female mind in regards to cultural endeavors.
You'd have somewhat of a point if you'd said female works were mere emulations, but we can at least match convention, I could list a hundred female authors and painters, most of which simply learn and apply a certain convention and style.
And some of the "denegrations" can actually portray some fascinating perspectives, like Artemisia Gentileschi's depictions of popularly painted biblical tales, notable for a rawness and disregard for romanticism. The expressionist play "Machinal" by Sophie Treadwell is similar, and I think a perfect representation of an extremely feminine psyche- the expressionist style portraying an entirely emotionally wrought universe.
No.1168
>>1167So a woman or two were just introspective enough (which would confer slight neuromasculinity anyway) to develop works giving an insight into their vapid and tortured world. Great. That still doesn't contribute to a civilization and society which doesn't have themselves based on those particular precepts of culture, which remain just extraneous to its actual development.
No.1169
>>1168Well alright then.
I believe we may evaluate the worth of cultural contributions in two different ways, your evaluation seems to be based upon the impact each work has upon civilization, shaping mainstream perspectives and affecting the popular imagination. I've always been taught that even standard works have worth and art in itself is essential to a people's quality of life. And I think female artists, while prevalent throughout history aren't especially impactful, I can't think of a movement defined by a woman.
I'm surprised to see you so concise and sarcastic, it seems terribly out of character. Please explain.
No.1170
>>1169The idea of 'inherent worth' in art came from the postmodernists who basically declared semantic context obsolete and instead being a self-contained entity. This is problematic for a number of reasons, one of which being when one thinks in these silly terms of 'self-contained meaning', the loss of context has a palpable impact on the significance of the work therefore rendering it fundamentally meaningless. This seems to fit with the female mode of thinking well. I'm very familiar with the school of thought, having myself read LaCann and Derrida.
Also am I not entitled to a capricious move in attitude? I'm very rarely consistent in character. Plenty of folk attest to my fickleness.
No.1176
>>1164>as for skype, yeah maybe i'll add you next week. this week's busier for me.o-oh
okay
>anyway Craven, I'd probably take Autphag's word on your not being on the spectrum.Yeah I didn't think I was, honestly, just wanted to see why he said he could tell it ran in my family.
>this is never going to happen. i can just tell it won't.Good thing he's gay, then.
>>1166I read all of this and have been procrastinating with my response merely because I don't even know where to begin with this. I honestly didn't believe that people genuinely thought this way on r9k/8chan. I've viewed it as satire up until now, and it's genuinely terrifying that you view women as pretty much things you stick your penis into so that a baby can come out and that's pretty much the extent of your regards.
Think about what you just typed. Read it over and over again. Then go out, just walk outside and look at your beautiful location and maybe go to a gas station or something and grab a snack and look around at everyone you see and just take in the sights and the beauty. Then come home and reread what you just said.
What the fuck, man?
No.1178
>>1176Also as a conservative who has dabbled in politics quite a bit, especially the social issues aspect, I'll say that Gender Identity Disorder is a mental disease that should be treated and viewed as any other issue rather than encouraged and I apologise that you've not had someone in your life to help you through it and instead had your illness progress worse due to encouragement. I am glad you managed to work through it on your own, however, and understand that you are not a female trapped in a male body.
But still, what the fuck, man?
No.1181
>>1176Being socially isolated for so long (I suffered from such severe social anxiety during my tranny phase that I didn't go outside for 3 years), one begins to develop a
veeeeerry warped perspective on the world that seems very divorced from the homogeneity of shared experience that everyone seems to overly rely upon. Analysis from a-far, in a maintained distant sort of fashion, to the point of brutal over-objectivity (such that, some may argue, it takes on slightly subjective undertones) becomes a way of life.
Anyway, I eventually came to the realisation after my transgenderism phase,
literally only after my suicide attempt early last year, that I was just a run-of-the-mill gay.
I might have transvestitic and autogynephillic tendencies (perhaps coming as severe as a type-3 transvestite in the Benjamin scale, where most 'gender dysphoriacs' lie) but these take a more fetishistic bent than an identitarian one. Thoughts of femininity still resurge now and again.
My honest inclination is that this can still occur within the context of male gender expression (that is, without any transvestitic behaviour undertaken), so I don't care about these thoughts anymore.Thanks for your attempts to understand nonetheless. I did go outside today, I walked around Polkemmet (a nearby country park) for a bit and then went to the local McDonalds for a it to eat. This time of year, as spring breaks, I was hoping to begin to see squirrels again, but no such luck.
No.1182
>>1181>'it' in the penultimate sentence should be 'bite'* No.1190
>>1181Well I'm sorry that you had to experience all of that, I really am, and I'm glad that your social anxiety seems to have gotten a bit better so that you can leave freely now without worries. I would definitely be one to argue that your 'overly-objective' (cynical) viewpoint definitely twisted itself to become a completely subjective, nitpicky perspective. In reality, the world is full of grey areas and to make any kind of sweeping generalization about any group of individuals is fallacious and can't ever be wholly objective.
As for your statement on sexuality, I agree. Most people fall somewhere in the middle of the Kinsey scale. While my experiences would render me a strict 0, I'm honestly most likely somewhere in the 1-2 range based on thoughts (as much as I hate to admit it). It's completely normal and natural to have fetishes and just because you find cross dressing and expressing feminity as arousing doesn't necessarily constitute you as having gender dysphoria or make you any less of a man.
It seems like you had a nice day today! I'm glad to hear that. I went outside as well to go to a hair appointment but alas my stylist seems to have moved and they were refusing to cooperate with me. I finally found where she transferred (rude bitches wouldn't tell me because they didn't want their service to leave) and I'll schedule an appointment with them ASAP.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSHDI_EmL7s for you No.1193
>>1190>I would definitely be one to argue that your 'overly-objective' (cynical) viewpointplease don't conflate objectivity with cynicism. No doubt, Autphag demonstrates both, and it may be true that cynical people tend to be of the disposition to more readily accept objective truths, but I'll be the first to admit that it also makes us prone to buying into ideas with perhaps more shaky foundations simply for the sake of playing the devils advocate to the point of deluding ourselves into believing that the most positive outlook must always bee unrealistically naive thus more likely to be false…
yeah… eat that word salad.
No.1194
No.1195
>>1193I'm not. I'm relating his self-proclaimed objectivity as being cynicism in disguise after reading his viewpoint on women and specifically was responding to this quote:
>Analysis from a-far, in a maintained distant sort of fashion, to the point of brutal over-objectivity (such that, some may argue, it takes on slightly subjective undertones) becomes a way of life.>>1194thanks me too
No.1197
>>1190<The Benjamin scale for your reference.
I'm ultimately masculine, but without a solid conviction of my masculinity to the point where
I'd never really known what that meant until as recently as a few years ago. Disregard the 'sex object choice and life' category. No real correlation exists between degree of TV/TGism and Kinsey scale score. (Mine is a 5, for the record; incidentally heterosexual – I do find women semi-attractive in strictly dominant contexts i.e. as the passive partner, so effectively I only like 'biological women capable of acting like men', and strictly the rest of my attraction is towards actual biological males.)
This is not bisexual enough to constitute actual bisexualism in any form. Women just don't do enough for me to have a solid attraction for all but the small minority who are tomboyish enough.
So this can be disregarded. As I said, this attraction for masculine, dominant females is strictly acted out on a fantasy context, i.e. my imagination is sufficient for the purpose.
As lonely as I am ("easy gay sex" only applies to extroverts and non-spergs), I'm also fairly averse to relationships. My last two failed miserably.
>>1194You fucker. How dare you disappear from Skype unannounced!
>>1195I could probably design a few experiments demonstrating just how obviant the overt behaviours of women are, with fairly good confidence as to the solidify of my hypotheses.
Failing that however, you're invited to look at mannosphere writings and similar experiments demonstrating the lack of female empathy. There was one study involving the sharing of cupcakes in a classroom or something. The young girls hoarded everything, giving only to selective beta-orbiters and the occasional alpha-sociopath, but rejected everyone else.
No.1199
>>1197Shit, I forgot to attach the Benjamin scale.
No.1200
>>1197>You fucker. How dare you disappear from Skype unannounced!sorry, just had a difficult phone call with my mum, got in a really bad mood and was feeling shit so i decided to say fuck it to skype for the night.
No.1201
>>1200I'll see you either tomorrow or, failing this, definitely Thursday (since we're meeting in real life).
Fuck, I hope I wake up on time for the bus to Edinburgh on Thursday. I usually don't get up for College until about 8 or so.
No.1202
>>1197>How dare you disappear from Skype unannounced!at least he added you on Skype you ungrateful swine :^(
I'm kidding pls don't get mad [spoiler] tfwnoqtmosshunterfriendonskype[/spoiler]
And yeah I understand what you're saying about the sexuality, I'm surprised I've never seen that scale given how often the topic of transsexuality has come up, especially on 4chan (specifically /pol/). Have you ever had a relationship with a girl? When did you know you were gay? I'm kinda curious now :3~
Also I'm sure you could nitpick some experiments however just because some women act that way does not mean that ALL women are that way. I'm sure there was a cultural/age bias. Have they done it in every country? Every society? What if those girls were all spoiled little white girls in upper class Germany? You never know, man. You genuinely cannot think that half of the entire world's population are evil sociopaths due to their vagina. And yes, I know you didn't say that word for word and you'll get all peculiar about my word choice but quite frankly my vocabulary is much less refined and it's taking me too long to try to respond to your post in purely accurate, scientific terms, so accept my words "evil sociopaths" as a generalized description of how you seem to view women.
I'm nowhere near perfect and have made countless mistakes in my life, but I don't think I'm a soulless, bad person. I try my best to be as kind to people as possible. The way I am online (especially Legion Faggotymously on 4chan) is completely different than who I am IRL.
Please try to see most people as inherently good rather than inherently evil. It's really all about perspective, Autphag.
No.1203
>>1202>tfw double spoilers don't work>messed up the entire sentence>now I look like a fool>still no qt mosshunter skype contact>joke messed up>can't even properly greentext or spoiler textgonna go off myself now fugg
No.1204
>>1201iktf. my alarm for college before i started dropping out was 7:40, i think i'm going to have to get up at about 6 on thursday.
>>1203don't take it personally, i just don't feel like i could maintain a conversation with you just now while i have other things on my mind.
No.1205
>>1204No that's fine, I understand, I hope you feel better.
No.1206
>>1202Oh I don't disagree. I struggle with gratitude, because few people have given me reasons to feel it and they debase themselves so quickly (my mother's hoarding of my own disability money from me until I was 21) as to invalidate the necessity of feeling such for them.
Sexuality in the context of a combination between both Benjamin and Kinsey scales together is a fairly obscure psychiatry anyway. Not even the supposed 'expert' at the Royal Infirmary who was the head of the 'Sexual Issues' department (this department should be better renamed the 'Nutjob Gender Dysphoriac Repository') was not aware of these facts when I had presented them to her. I quickly fell out with her, realizing that I was wasting my time when I could just self-medicate. (That has fucked up my hormones to no end. I now see an endocrinologist to do the opposite – restoring my testosterone level.)
I don't think this phenomenon even applies to the entirety of this 49-51% (only Mao seems to believe it's the latter) fraction of the world's population. Autism in females, for example, excludes sociopathy, they're mirror-conditions. They tend to be a bit more empathetic than average, in my experience, towards men in particular.
Is there an age bias? Well, to test for that, we need to fix for more ages! That would probably be the first modification to that experiment which would come to mind. Also I believe it was conducted in America, which seems to be highly representative of most western cultures, anyway. I'm sure it'd show Easterners are more humble, and that's because East Asian women have a different neurology (that might frankly be more Aspergic) anyway.
Nor do I even think you're a full-blown sociopath either. Having paid closer attention to your writings and how you present yourself (the avatarfagging in particular corroborates this), it's all more suggestive of a very mild narcissistic complex that might not even be severe enough to constitutes Narcissistic Personality Disorder. Women tend to be more narcissistic than males anyway and I simply put that down to 'normal individual variation' rather than a disorder; estrogen up-regulates seretonin such that one's self-confidence goes through the roof, and anti-depressants usually worsen that (I went off them for this reason, didn't like the monster I became). It's not your fault, so I dunno why you'd stress about it so hard.
I have reason to doubt there's such a disparity between how you present yourself in real life and online. I think the two tend to be a reflection of each other, and nobody really has enough compartmentalization capacity to differentiate their 'acts' in a different situation, though one may gleam the false impression that they're different in real life, simply because it's less obvious to a person how they really are when they experience all these conflicting emotions and beliefs based on their self-esteem.
I've been folly to that myself, believe me!
I don't feel as if I suffer too badly from a case of 'mean world syndrome', as you're describing. I just grew up in the shittiest regions of Scotland, and taking proles as being more direct in how they express themselves, I got to view the most honest displays of truculence, evil, aggression, and malevolence of the human condition. It still leaves violently traumatic impressions upon me to this day.
Sorry for the ramble, I was just trying to address the entirety of your post rather than nitpick on certain aspects of it as you were complaining.
No.1207
>>1206>fairly obscure psychiatryNegroid-tier grammar! Fuck me! I'm sorry.
>fairly obscure idea in psychiatry*ftfm
No.1208
>>1205i'm actually disappointed with how drunk i'm not atm.
No.1209
>>1208Drinking is gross~~
e-even if you look cute as fug while doing it, d-degenerate>>1207Don't worry, I don't pay attention to trivialities honestly. You guys have much better grammar/vocabulary than I do. Not sure if it's due to the superiority of the Scottish schooling, my age, or what.
>>1206I completely see where you're coming from and it saddens me to hear that your mother did such a terrible thing to you.
Do you think that your tendency to view autistic women as more empathetic is due to your bias as someone who indeed is autistic as well? You seem to portray autistic characteristics as more empathetic and desirable for women. Are you sure that is not just projection?
If we're going to use psychological terminology and the brain in our arguments then I believe it's fair to use Freudian terms.
It's not avatarfagging if you use different characters. I just enjoy using them to represent my emotions and also because, as Vyro would say, I love to shitpost. I don't think I'm
that narciciss- alright I suppose I kind of am, although I think the only actual personality disorder I have is dependent personality disorder, which is why I never input my advice on relationship topics, lel.
>inb4 slutAnd eh, I think that I'm just more vulgar/blunt/honest/unladylike online, though. I wouldn't say it represents my character as a whole, just the extreme sides of my emotions.
I appreciated the ramble and I feel like you responded adequately, I do think you tend to view the world in a very pessimistic way though, and hopefully you'll use your childhood experiences of growing up in that region and use them to develop and grow your individual character instead of looking down on everyone elses.
No.1210
>>1209Don't forget, we're something like 4-5 years your superior (you're still 18 or something, right?) Verbal skills, unlike general intellectual skills, are one of those things better trained by ripening than innate talent.
Also Moss was mostly schooled in England. I can't actually attest to the superiority of English schooling (GCSEs have been simplified year after year after year; the equivalent exams up in Scotland are never renormed or anything, they stay at the same level of difficulty year after year), I'm sure that's just Moss being smart.
I can't say it's due to bias, because I have a control, which is neurotypical women, and I have a solid metric, which is my observation of their responses. Such solidity comes from responses which are usually so explicit, that there's not an especial amount of room for bias to cloud the interpretation; even the most rose-coloured interpretation wouldn't make the kind of disparity in response different from one that is less so, for it's so wide.
Neurotypical women don't give a shit about me, generally speaking, and for that matter, they don't seem to give that much of a shit about anyone, even their own husbands (or girlfriends, if they're so predilected). Such indifference is staggering. It's certainly not so much that they don't care, as this kind of ego-defense they put forward in their aggressive predator-like persual of the sociopathic alpha-sigma male. This is what I like to call "feigned indifference." This behaviour is
conspicuously absent in female autists, they just come right out with it if they're pissed off with you, rather than playing retarded mind games to lead anyone one.
There might be outliers (neurotypical women who feign interest instead of disinterest, but this is even worse, because I can't tell if they're being serious when they're listening to me attentively, or simply trying to find my vulnerabilities out).
It doesn't make them suddenly lose all sympathy for you when they (autists) get angry, either, except for a few isolated cases (those tend to be sociopaths, like my former partner David). This endurance of empathetic state even in the face of fiery mordaiciousness, would lead me to believe, in the absence of similar behaviour from neurotypicals, that therefore, autistic women are more frank and forthcoming with their feelings for others, and less likely to make 'social rank' simply for the sake of socio-economic opportunism.
Co-dependency would manifest itself in your complete inability to function in the absence of a providing chad, so I couldn't e entirely sure if I'd even place you in such a category.
Simply revealing the more forthcoming aspects of your emotional pallet doesn't necessarily constitute a fundamental change in personality, so this kind of supports my point about there being no such thing as a compartmentalization of personality depending on the situation.
Oh, and I forgot to address one of your previous questions in the last thread:
I've been having suspicions of gender dysphoria long before actually realising that I liked men. I was 12 and 13 respectively in the initial occurrence of those events. That it took over a decade to dispel the notion that I was a gender dysphoric might be concerning and it certainly attest to the level of delusion such a traumatic event, in Freudian terms, as the state taking your father away on specious charges of 'rape', can instill.
My relationship with David was after a previous relationship with a girl from Leeds called Emma Quigley. It's not so much that I had my heart and soul in her sexually speaking, but I had an urge to parent and saw her as a prospective mother. Her perfidious nature had thwarted any prospect of a relationship pretty fast, so I couldn't pair up with such a mercenary person. It sounds strange that I don't want children now, but let's chalk it down to realising that I'm not as eugenic as I previous thought.
I hope that covers everything.
No.1211
>>1170I think you were being capricious because Craven's poor arguments (ad hom city) made you a little bit lazier.
And I was speaking less in terms of postmodernist inherent worth, which I'm less fond of, and base sensual worth in art.
More appropriately, I think of the writer/painter/sculptor as more of a trades person than a philosopher.
Cultural material is a good to be manufactured, and when it comes to bulk cultural material females are apt at learning the trade and cranking the good out.
No.1212
>>1211>Craven's poor arguments (ad hom city) made you a little bit lazier.Well that was fucking rude to both of us, lel.
I'd like to see you try to properly argue with someone who is more intelligent than you are and also older on a subject that they've devoted a significant amount of their life to studying whereas you're almost completely unfamiliar with their supporting evidence for their claims. So far all you've really said is "women are good at capitalizing on art.">>1210>Don't forget, we're something like 4-5 years your superior (you're still 18 or something, right?) I just turned 18 on the day before Valentine's day (February 13th! That's why I wanted Moss to gimme dat qt birthday shoutout but alas he forgot. </3 It wasn't just something that I requested because I'm xD SO RANDUMB~`) and am still in my senior year of high school. I do believe that I'm far ahead of most of my class in terms of eloquence and overall intelligence, however clearly I'm far behind you and Moss in those aspects (which doesn't bother me at all, it just is kind of awkward due to the clear differences in our sophistication.)
I also used to think I had superb reading comprehension, and then I met you.
>I'm sure that's just Moss being smart.I'll agree to that. I also am not certain how American schooling holds up to it's Scottish/English counterparts, however I'm assuming that it's much worse in comparison.
>>1210>Such solidity comes from responses which are usually so explicit, that there's not an especial amount of room for bias to cloud the interpretation; even the most rose-coloured interpretation wouldn't make the kind of disparity in response different from one that is less so, for it's so wide. Maybe all Scottish women are just fucking dicks, as are women who you interact with on the internet (point in case: me.)
No, but in all seriousness, you automatically DO have somewhat of a bias, no matter how slight, since you belong to that particular label as well. Therefore you're just defending those who you relate to on some level. It might be completely subconscious and the bias could be barely relevant, however you must still address it and acknowledge it.
And you're early twenties, you've still room to meet outliers and people who will mold your opinions about women. Hopefully they pull it to a more positive aspect rather than reaffirming your already pessimistic views.
>>1210>"Neurotypical women don't give a shit about me, generally speaking, and for that matter, they don't seem to give that much of a shit about anyone, even their own husbands…"Well perhaps that could be due to your disdain for them initially. Assuming you treat them warmly with positive regards, then that could be your insecurities speaking. It seems you're quite paranoid and distrustful of neurotypical women.
Also dude, are you genuinely going to have such high disregard merely because we have feigned indifference? Autphag r u shitting me? At some point in your life, I am almost POSITIVE that you were probably bored out of your fucking mind but you pretended to be interested in something that someone was saying out of politeness? Then you've just committed feigned interested. Have you ever been hurt by something but acted like it doesn't phase you? That's feigned indifference. It's a quality of all neurotypical people.
I honestly, even after having a large amount of associations (my half brother, tons of friends, even a date) of people with Aspergers, don't really know any specific symptoms really besides "social awkwardness". So I'm not really certain what other differences there are between people diagnosed with Aspergers and Neurotypical people. I've done a bit of research however Google searches have such vague differences that I've just mentally decided that people with Aspergers are just Neurotypical people with an extreme case of social awkwardness.
Please enlighten me otherwise because I genuinely think you don't understand really how uneducated I am on this topic. I want to learn more, I really do, but I don't even know where to begin.
Anyways back to your point, when you say that people lose all sympathy it's really just a common defense mechanism. You can't judge someone's character by how they act when you've wronged them. Most people try to act like they don't care but that's generally when they're hurt the most. It's just human nature. You don't want to show you're vulnerable when you've already been hurt.
I'm really sorry about your past. I'm not sure where to even begin and I know you don't want my sympathy so I guess I shouldn't continue. But fuck, man..
Fuck. That ended this on a really depressing note.
No.1213
>>1212Also pardon the improper question marks and all sorts of grammatical errors I made in this post, it's currently 4 in the morning and I'm sleepy as fug and I went through an extremely serious Skype conversation while trying to formulate my reply (it took me over 3 hours to write that between vidya and conversations, Jesus.)
No.1214
>>1212>I do believe that I'm far ahead of most of my class in terms of eloquence and overall intelligence, however clearly I'm far behind you and Moss in those aspects (which doesn't bother me at all, it just is kind of awkward due to the clear differences in our sophistication.)You know what they say, if you're the smartest person in the room, you're in the wrong room.
That Autphag and I spend so much time here using this place as an echo chamber for our increasingly stagnating ideas is more testament to how much we've given up on trying to make something decent of our lives.
You'll probably move on sometime,
LEAVE, BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE… SAVE YOURSELF!!!, and maybe someday you'll find yourself in a conversation with someone who talks like the sun shines out of their arse despite only having a basic, rudimentary grasp on the subject. Maybe it'll remind you of the scrap of deeper insight you gleaned off a couple of losers on an imageboard, and you'll be able to impart that with your conversational partner and make them question their presumptions.
Maybe not, we'll probably have forgotten about each other in a couple of decades
assuming we're still alive by then anyway.
>I also used to think I had superb reading comprehension, and then I met you.I have never understood how normal people are able to fill in the gaps and assume so much of a text's meaning when such a shorthand, nonspecific approach with limited vocabulary is employed.
Our word salads are because autists need to deal with clear cut specifics, and words that don't quite hit the mark or leave a body of text open to misinterpretation don't pass muster with us.
In trying to express ourselves (at least for me, I find expression far harder than comprehension), we often resort to being verbose with an extended vocabulary so that when we say something, we can be sure that we've said EXACTLY what we intended to.
>Well perhaps that could be due to your disdain for them initially. Assuming you treat them warmly with positive regards, then that could be your insecurities speaking. It seems you're quite paranoid and distrustful of neurotypical women.It's amazing how cynical to the point of paranoid delusions spending time on the chans has made me when it comes to women, but when so much of what is argued out lines up with both my personal experience and observations of society at large, it's hard not to fall into that way of thought.
No.1215
>>1212>Also dude, are you genuinely going to have such high disregard merely because we have feigned indifference? Autphag r u shitting me? At some point in your life, I am almost POSITIVE that you were probably bored out of your fucking mind but you pretended to be interested in something that someone was saying out of politeness?Can't speak for Autphag, but I'll tell you my experiences with this. Before I do, it may be that Autphag is conflating normie behaviour with female behaviour, and autist behaviour with male behaviour.
What you've said will more than likely ring true with many neurotypical men, feigning interest. Even then, they might not like doing it and it may not come as naturally to them as it does women, but in the interests of having high social standing and playing the field it's still far easier for them to pull off than it is for autists.
Back before my diagnosis, when I was still trying and failing to be a normie, it's something I really struggled with, but I often bit my tongue out of fear of being further ostracized. To extend on your discussion with Autphag, what's important to note is that it's not an easy thing for us (at least me) to shrug off, it's really difficult and really unpleasant to do, especially for someone who holds "honesty is the best policy" as a central tenet.
Now though? I've stopped giving a fuck. I hated being so disingenuous, integrity is important to me. I'm sure I've read elsewhere that it's common for autists to be like that. We wear our colours on our sleeves. I've been described as tactless, blunt, rude, basically my behaviour has been painted as the sort of unreasonable behaviour demonstrative of someone who lacks empathy.
I realise now that it's the inverse. That the people who think I'm being rude and unreasonable with them lack so much awareness and empathy as to not even realise how their behaviour made me feel and how it warranted the reaction I gave them.
Case in point. There are friends of my mother's in a nearby town. About her age, husband and wife. I don't know what the wife does, but the husband, he's a lawyer and army reserves officer. He's one of the most refreshing people to talk to, and one of the few people I can truly respect and get on with.
Anyway, so now that my mum has settled down with a Dutch man and has spent the last couple of years doing the rounds introducing him to friends and family, these friends decided to invite us (my mother, her Dutch partner and I) to have dinner with them. They made the rather ill-judged decision to invite another Dutch friend of their own, a guy who I believe may have worked in some maritime/dockworking job sector.
The problem was, he came with his most insufferably boring wife who decided to lead the conversation with boring anecdotes about when her and her husband were younger and had first met.
Everyone else went with it. I bit my tongue for what, 20 minutes of it, before piping up and saying "this conversation is boring me, can we talk about something else? What does everyone here make of the situation in Syria?" (This was before ISIS had taken control of large swathes of Iraq).
My mum took issue with that, saying that they didn't have the energy after their long hours of normie work to worry themselves with international issues, and would rather engage in "light conversation". But she did admit to me that I was right about that woman being a boring fuck when we were in the car on our way back.
I realise at this point that I'm a pot calling the kettle black when it comes to boring anecdotes, but one thing I have managed to improve over the years is my self awareness and my own awareness of when other people are getting bored with my autist monologues. The army reserves lawyer friend of mine even noted on another occasion that in this respect, my "Johari window is wide open". I guess the fact that I put the effort in in conversing with other people to try and read into their mood, in spite of my condition making this difficult to the point where I have to make a very conscious effort to do so, makes me feel more justified in calling out neurotypicals when they do the same thing.
No.1216
>>1215(cont)
(Sorry, I'm really tailing off onto a tangent here).
This ties in with Cohen's narrow view of empathy and how our poor cognitive empathy shouldn't lead us to be likened with sociopaths.
We might just assume that other people are as interested in a given conversational topic as we are, when they're not. But if people were just clear about their feelings and intent with us, although we might not be able to grasp WHY a person is how they are, we can still comprehend HOW they are in that respect.
There is no better demonstration of the affective empathy of autists than to view two autists, who perhaps knew very little of each other's interests beforehand, suddenly hit upon a common interest and excitedly feed back off one another. This happened when I discovered that the main staff member at the Highland One Stop Shop (a place for autistic people) shared common interests with me in genealogy and anthropology. We just fed back off each others' ideas, building upon them, becoming increasingly animated in our excitement when realising that we had a shared understanding.
That's why we have such a hard time with normies (and, maybe, girls in particular). They don't open up like that. They're so cryptic. They're not giving us a chance to understand them, and in all honesty probably don't have a care to understand us either.
No.1218
>>1211So you're saying they're the equivalent to a mass production line. I don't even disagree, but I disagree as to what the eventual result is: boredom, prosaicness, and a gradual homogenization of the culture at hand.
>>1212Don't defend yourself; considering you've just turned 18, you've done
very well. (Sorry if that seems like the kind of condescension characteristic of old men or something rather than how it was intended.)
Moss' IQ is far higher than my own, but I don't let it intimidate me, because tasked with the area of racial neuropsychology, psychology in general, psychiatry, and political science, he would be fairly out of his depth to argue any of those (well, okay, from his perspective he is 'knowledgable' in the latter, but his gamut of right-wing intellectuals could do with refining).
As for Scottish schooling being inferior to American schooling, you'd be wrong. My point was that English schooling is inferior to both. The leaving examinations have been dumbed down for the plethora of Nigerian immigrants that have landed on Heathrow's lanes for the last several decades. No such dumbing down has occurred in Scotland. Our Highers and Adv. Highers (equivalent to the AP in America) remain the most difficult leaving exams in Europe (that I failed them the first time round should tell you everything).
Scottish women might be pricks, but I think in socialism (such as our system is a watered-down variant of), people begin to reveal their true colours in the absence of an incentive to aspire to any greater pretenses. They are simply reflecting the kind of Marxist, feminist indoctrination that they've been receiving in Universities and upper-secondary Further Education colleges for some time now, that has completely demeliorated the fabric of traditional courting, such that they have insane expectations of the men who, quite projectively, they see as "pursuing them" (but forcing men to be the active partner, as O'Meara has observed, is simply a reflection of the female's own predatorialness). Not every women I've ever spoken to was a Scot, though.
A label doesn't inherently confer bias. That would imply that, simply because Whites create IQ test metrics, and test them on Blacks, that 'White bias' has tainted the IQ test, when a metric has to be by its very nature at least somewhat objective (granted, some bullshit ones like certain transgender scales require answering completely subjective questions which could label high percentages of populations as 'transgender') for it to have validity and specificty in testing, which the IQ test has consistently shown it does in yielding the same results for the various sub-groups tested over the last century or so, since Alfred Binet devised the first one.
Likewise, the validity of my own metric however tainted with this supposed 'subjective bias', can be reaffirmed with the very consistency of the results of such encounters with women. I don't think repeating the same patterns time and time again over 5 years of them, in various capacities, even when I was housebound (thank you chatroullete and bebo), of maintained faux-distance, false indifference, and feigned interest selectively expressed to certain 'prey' of theirs, can be explained as a merely caparicious turn of individual difference for the odd outlier of women, but an extrapolable average.
If they are reflecting my disdain, it sure as hell would go against my experience that women don't really intuit into the emotional states of others as well as they can socially 'mind read'. I keep myself rather collected in all of those sorts of occasions on purpose; it allows me to maintain my own distance in divorcing the observation I gleam from them, from the effects of my emotional state being reciprocated; if they can't tell that (and usually this is very hard to tell for everyone), there's nothing to reciprocate: we can attribute the blame solely to their cuntishness!
No.1220
(cont, comment too long)
Aspergers aren't merely extremely introverted neurotypicals. I like to make a racial metaphor out of this one: just as the Mongoloids, Whites, and Blacks differ on their respective positions in social indicators, so do the Aspergers, Neurotypicals, and Schizophrenics, respectively. The IQ profiles of all the listed racial groups, seem to reflect exactly (okay, the Schizophrenic curve is pushed a bit higher on average, but the profile is the same) the aforelisted, respective disorders; Mongoloids being the Aspies, Whites being the Neurotypicals, and Blacks being the Schizoids. Just do a bit of street people-watching from a cafe window or something and witness the behaviour, as I have, of an East Asian, who this time was walking the streets of South Bridge St. in Bathgate, Scotland. The White people surrounding him in the crowd provided a useful contrast of behaviour. They were all talking rather garrously, socialising, very emotionally expressive to the point of exuberance, but this Chinese/Korean/whatever fellow was simply walking around rather busily as though compelled to take a certain direction, with a determination in completing the task that reflects a complete disinterest in the social mileui, the kind you'd only see in a White Asperger. He even had the same angry (as many can misinterpret it) expression on his face that many White Aspies carry. Introversion is just one trait, with many more genetic dependencies that might run so deep as to constitute the same level of behaviour difference as would be found between racial groups, being factorial causal factors behind Aspergers, but we are yet to know what!
Sorry for the run-on sentences. Also, no, if you feel genuinely sorry for my situation then I won't construe any offense from it. I don't entirely rule out that, when my situation is made explicit enough, but only when it is, can a neurotypical seem to experience any sort of 'empathy' around me.
No.1221
>>1214>>1214>tfw three repliesGood morning to me!
>>1214>That Autphag and I spend so much time here using this place as an echo chamberFrom the bits and pieces that I've gathered while skimming the threads where you guys engage in lively discussion, they've seemed to lead to at least somewhat of a better appreciation/understanding for the subject at hand. Having friends who agree with you is nice, I don't think your chatting on the threads states anything except that your lives are being utilized decently and happily.
And eh, I doubt I'll move along easily. I discovered 4chan when I was merely 9 years old and have been a daily lurker since 2010 (making me 13-14 at that time.) I find myself in conversations with those kinds of people often, and I view their perspective as entertaining.
I don't think you guys are losers. Nor do I wish for anything except for all of us to live rich, fulfilled, long lives. So I truly do hope with every fiber of my being that we're still here in a few decades.
>we often resort to being verbose with an extended vocabulary so that when we say something, we can be sure that we've said EXACTLY what we intended to.I find that quality both admirable and enviable. I'm enjoying the exposure to new terminology and trying to view it as a learning experience.
> it's hard not to fall into that way of thought.>tfw will never be able to show Moss Hunter that not all women are evil. Why live?No, but I really do understand where you're coming from. It's just saddening, I suppose, to know that you both carry such despondence due to my gender.
After reading your perspective, I honestly don't know what to say. That's probably one of the most refreshing, adorable things I've read all fucking week. I completely see your point of view and never previously even thought that trying to coddle a conversationalist and feign interest in their discussion could be construed as dishonesty. I think that honesty and integrity are some of the most important traits that a human being could have and you clearly embody them.
I definitely have never once had the impression that you lacked empathy, however as a Neurotypical individual I can of course understand the reasoning from both perspectives.
>I guess the fact that I put the effort in in conversing with other people to try and read into their mood, in spite of my condition making this difficult to the point where I have to make a very conscious effort to do so, makes me feel more justified in calling out neurotypicals when they do the same thing. Which of course you are justified in having your opinion and it is an extremely honorable viewpoint to hold. Although, I think perhaps what would help you in further instances instead of outright claiming that the conversation was boring you, I'd suggest you attempt to tie into the subject you wished to discuss with the one present.For example, let's say that generic Stepford wife number 39 was discussing a vacation that her gallant husband surprised her with for their three year anniversary or whatever. Instead of piping up and going, "This conversation is boring to me, what do you make of the conversation in Syria?", I'd instead suggest you attempt something like "It seems like you had a wonderful time on your vacation. I personally think that it'd be neat to vacation somewhere in the middle East since I find their culture fascinating. Alas, with the current political state, I doubt it'll be appropriate to vacation there anytime. Speaking of which, what does everyone here make of the situation in Syria?"
No.1222
>>1221This way, you come off as a respectful, polite, considerate individual (which you are already, alas most people are unaware of any perspectives except for their own and therefore could misinterpret your silence as being impolite when in reality it's probably the most consideration present in the entire conversation) who, instead of changing the subject, merely "went with the flow of the conversation until it suddenly became one about Syria." It seems weird when I explain it myself, but alas that's how social conventions are. I truly do sympathize with you though. It's unfair that you have to go through twice the normal work in a mer discussion, but the fact that you choose to go through it anyways in order to please others shows me that you're a really noble guy.
>I realise at this point that I'm a pot calling the kettle black when it comes to boring anecdotesI enjoy reading whatever you have to say but I'm clearly biased in favor of you. oops.
>They're so crypticEh, most women just take introspection and analysis to the next level and tend to make interactions overly complex. This is generally caused when they actually hold a male in high regard and value their opinion/find them cute and stems mostly from anxiety, insecurities, and trust issues. For example, if you were to engage in a discussion with a girl about a similar interest, let's say League of Legends since I'm familiar with that game, and you stated something like, "ARAM is truly the worst mode in League, I don't understand why people play it" (and then you went on a long, explanatory rant with your completely valid reasoning), a guy who held you in high regards might say "Shut up, faggot. I don't understand why you prefer ranked when it sucks the fun out of competitive gaming and blah blah blah.."
However, this is because the male doesn't view you as a prospective partner, just as a friend. Most women who are single and hold a male in high regard will take the extra time to look in between the lines of EVERYTHING that guy says. Therefore, she might think along the lines of, "B-but I love ARAM. Does he know I play this game mode? Is he trying to personally insult me? If he didn't have knowledge that this was my favorite game mode prior to making those statements, will his respect for me decrease if I tell him that I like ARAM?…etc." This will end up with her wanting to narrow down your reasons for making that statement and asking a loaded question such as "but what if
I liked ARAM?" and then judging what she will say next based on her response. It's all very convoluted, confusing, and ultimately unnecessary, however that is honestly the reason why most women act that way. Even if you find it a mundane, silly way of viewing things, you should just take it as a compliment whenever a woman is being confusing/cryptic, that means she holds your opinions/feelings in high regards and probably has somewhat of a crush on you and/or feels close to you and/or feels insecure for whatever reason in your presence.
Hopefully that cleared up a bit of the woman's mind but I'm sure my explanation has just muddled the waters even more, haha.
No.1223
>>1221I deleted and remade this post like 10 times and I still failed on the formatting, done trying to fix it, fugg.
>>1222>MERMERE*
>quality of posts continually decreasing as sleepiness increases.>>1218I don't find that condescending at all, thank you for the compliment Autphag! Our opinions and differences aside, I think you seem to be a cool guy and I apologise that we have made a bad first impression on each other (and it was mostly my fault for taunting your beliefs in the Skype chat.) I would like to start fresh with you, if you wouldn't mind.
As for the subject matter, I think that your specific IQ isn't all that important as both of you will clearly excel in whatever subject you devote your time and attention to.
>>1218>As for Scottish schooling being inferior to American schooling, you'd be wrongI was stating the opposite, in fact. I just don't know how to type clearly, apologies. I believe that America has a mediocre education system when compared with other first world countries. Especially with that core content shit coming out, it's laughable, honestly. I'd trust the Scottish schooling system much over the American one.
>They are simply reflecting the kind of Marxist, feminist indoctrination that they've been receivingSo you're agreeing with me that right-winged, fascist, conservative political states instill proper family values and are clearly much healthier for promoting strong family values? That's wonderful, I couldn't have said it better myself.
:^)
>metricsI am confused as to what a "metric" is. I've never seen this word used in such a context prior to our conversation. Google isn't being very helpful, either (and I'd prefer your explanation). Therefore I am having trouble fully grasping your third and second to last paragraphs. I Google so much after receiving a reply from you, haha.
>extrapolable>caparicious>metricsI'm learning more on 8chan than I have in comparison to this past month of schooling.
>That last paragraphI'm probably much too tired to try attempting to respond to you at this hour but alas I've read that like five times and am not grasping what you're trying to convey. Like, I understand the general idea you're bringing but as Moss said previously, you both choose your words very specifically in order to bring a more refined thought across rather than a generalized idea so I'm doing my best to try to fully understand what you both are saying. Moss is much easier to comprehend, for some reason, than you are.
>>1220>Dat Godly analogy/metaphor.It clears it up a bit more for me, I suppose it's just hard for me to truly understand the differing social conventions when all I experience is the "norm."
I am genuinely sorry about your situation, I am doing my best to be as open as possible with you here. I consider myself a very empathetic person, however I'm going to refrain from any attempt to try to "prove" this to you since I doubt I can provide reasonable proof when I am clearly in favor of myself.
No.1224
>>1223THE REDUNDANCY IN MY POST IS TOO MUCH FOR ME TO BEAR.
I'm going to sleep now since I've just butchered my responses all to hell tonight, haha. Goodnight, friends.~
No.1225
>>1218>As for Scottish schooling being inferior to American schooling, you'd be wrong. My point was that English schooling is inferior to both. The leaving examinations have been dumbed down for the plethora of Nigerian immigrants that have landed on Heathrow's lanes for the last several decades. No such dumbing down has occurred in Scotland. Our Highers and Adv. Highers (equivalent to the AP in America) remain the most difficult leaving exams in Europe (that I failed them the first time round should tell you everything).I don't think Craven was implying that at all.
Anyway, your assertion that GCSE's have been severely dumbed down is correct.
However, A levels (AS and A2) not so much.
It's been noted (although I can't remember where, it's been so long since I read the article/s in question) that the fact that they've dumbed down GCSEs so much causes a massive problem in that it leaves no real intermediary between GCSE level an A levels. A levels, in general, are a huge academic step over and above GCSEs, which obviously causes a lot of problems when people who were misled to believe they were smart at the former, struggle like virgin buggery with the latter.
Yes, they'll be dumbing down A levels in non-subjects (Sociology etc) to allow people to build up enough grades to get into uni, but the hard sciences are a different story.
>Scottish women might be pricks, but I think in socialism (such as our system is a watered-down variant of), people begin to reveal their true colours in the absence of an incentive to aspire to any greater pretenses.This is less to do with the economic aspect of socialism, and more to do with cultural social liberalism (of which feminism forms a part).
There may have been a time when feminism was less extreme and actually served a purpose - to coerce chauvinistic and perhaps abusive men into changing their attitudes and the way they act to women through a bit of social engineering.
The far more dangerous development is that feminism has drawn no correlation between "emancipating" women, and making them responsible for their own actions having been given this newfound freedom.
We're allowing such women to take their situation for granted and run about like unruly, ungrateful children.
What I've witnessed in the MGTOW movement is an unbelievably fatalistic cynicism that this is "just how women are". Their answer is then to throw their hands up in defeat, flip the bird and tell society to go fuck itself - to cut off the nose to spite the face.
Grass-eating seems far less ideologically charged, and yet it shows more potential in doing so by making it accessible to vastly more men than MGTOW will ever appeal to. Simply by voting with their feet, in great enough numbers grass-eating has the potential to introduce such a societal imbalance as to make people wake up and realise that women need to change their behaviour too, in having their own agency, they need to accept responsibility and tow the line in society too.
Rather than seeing it as immutable female nature, the more hopeful approach would be to see potential in being able to change womens' behaviour in the same way they changed ours.
>That would imply that, simply because Whites create IQ test metrics, and test them on Blacks, that 'White bias' has tainted the IQ testhave you explained g loading to Craven yet?
No.1226
>>1221lmao, you got your formatting wrong in the first, reposted, and still managed to include some of your response to your last quote of mine in my greentext.
yeah i'm just being nitpicky.
>"It seems like you had a wonderful time on your vacation. I personally think that it'd be neat to vacation somewhere in the middle East since I find their culture fascinating. Alas, with the current political state, I doubt it'll be appropriate to vacation there anytime. Speaking of which, what does everyone here make of the situation in Syria?"Damn… Autphag, is this a demonstration of cognitive empathy? It seems so well thought out.
>"B-but I love ARAM. Does he know I play this game mode? Is he trying to personally insult me?"That. Holy shit, the way women do that confuses the hell out of me.
The number of times I've been sulky and quiet with the autist's angry expression as described by Autphag, and my mum interprets it as me being specifically angry with her. I don't get that, but hey, I'd be able to cope with it if it weren't for the fact that you then project that on us. You have a thought that we're insulting you, and suddenly you're acting insulted when we have no idea what we did to cause that.
>Even if you find it a mundane, silly way of viewing thingsmundane? no. batshit loopy, yes.
Oh, this way of thought leads to another thing. So, imagine you have a girl, and one of her guy friends starts orbiting her.
Similar thought train happens with hair-brained pseudoanalytics, and she draws the conclusion that he's acting the part of "nice guy tm" and is just being manipulative to try and get into her pants - again, projecting her way of thinking onto him. In this way, a lot of guys are unnecessarily seen as creeps. When I finally gave up orbiting the girl I liked in highschool, I tried mending our friendship. contrary to popular opinion, I did value our friendship. But by that time I guess she saw me as so loaded with all this bullshit presumed creepiness that she'd distanced herself so far from me that our friendship was irreconcilable - she just didn't care for it any more.
No.1227
>>1225I thought it would be worth noting that the reason I tried to clarify the difference between the economic side of socialism, and the cultural-liberal side of socialism, is because the aspect of socialism to which you (Autphag) were referring is in no way dumbed down in the west where social liberalism has by far reached its implementation to the fullest…
the only watered-down bit is the economic socialism, granted we don't live somewhere like, you know, the DPRK (which is full on economic leftism with hardly a shred of social liberalism).
No.1230
>>1225>Sociology (a non-subject)Oh thanks, insult the subject I was studying 3 years ago at HNC level yet!
I liked it. As well as annoying me with Marxism (which my Black lecturer, who looked a bit like Dr. Frances Welsing, was obsessed with; video embedded), I was exposed to Weberian Functionalism and thus, given an introductory session in the precepts of what I'd later understand to be the neo-reactionary movement.
When I was speaking of socialism, I had made no distinction between the two. I only say it is watered-down on the rubric that: 1. because Scottish people are a bit dumber than average, the femalewhores don't even get the extreme form of the feminist curriculum as they wouldn't understand it, but it's enough for them to develop disdain towards men; and 2. everybody likes to feign a contrived social conscience and a traditionalist bent
simultaneously, which creates the most contradictory sort of cultural foundation I think actually exists on the planet anywhere except East Asian pluralistic metropolises like Shanghai.
Your observations on feminism are without fault. However, you seem to view it in gradualistic rather than fatalistic terms, when methodical gradualism is by design, meant to result in fatality for the civilization it is imposed upon. Moreover, you seem to attribute to social factors the inherently childish behaviour of women when it is the absence of social pressures that have led to their display of innate "behavioural pedomorphism", as some stupid radical feminists who think it's "spontaneous" to act like a spoilt child (see Grandin's mother's essay on autistics being analogous with computers) believe.
>MGTOWOh god, David used to sperg about this all the time. He didn't see that this is merely an extension of feminist fatalism because he's a dumbfuck.
I will say though that I'm not familiar with the term 'grass-eating'.
>Rather than seeing it as immutable female nature, the more hopeful approach would be to see potential in being able to change womens' behaviour in the same way they changed ours.Not really. In reading O'Meara's work, the essentialism of sexually dimorphous behavioural traits never resulted in the kind of exploitative behaviours that the feminists claimed, hte only thing it did was forge an impression of cohesion, but ultimately individual autonomy was preserved. The idea of the 'spontaneous femalewhore' first arose with the removal of the opulence laws in Rome, which allowed the femalewhores to display their jewelry in public, and that's pretty much what Nieschze determined to be a manifestation of the female's publically over-proud psyche.
Our answer is literally to 'return as things were prior to 1950'. It was a completely reasonable arrangement from the analyses I have read that have kind of stripped off the rose-coloured lens of feminist paranoia through which they were originally being re-described in Universities after the 60s.
Yes I've explained g-factor. No, I don't know if that means she understands it or not.
Craven, do you?
No.1231
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>>1230I keep forgetting to embed my videos. Here's Dr. Frances Welsing rather idiotically debating against Dr. Shockley, geneticist and racialist philosopher.
No.1232
>>1230grass-eating is the far more effective method of social engineering employed by huge swathes of the male japanese population.
it's actually working, especially since japan doesn't import so many immigrants, their abstinence is causing the age of the japanese population to rise dangerously to the point that if they don't change things soon, there will be a serious crisis in a generation.
>Our answer is literally to 'return as things were prior to 1950'.1950? You mean long after WWI spawned the suffragette movement, and after the defeat of the Nazis in WWII allowed the Jews to begin instigating a vice-like grip over our policy?
IMO, we need to go back to before Disraeli set Britain up for supporting Zionism, that way Britain would have had the sense to ally with Germany in at least WWII, if not both wars.
I guess it's worth noting that although the Jews may have played a hand in fomenting WWI, a more obvious and verifiable cause can be identified in the sway the Danish princesses held over European royalty, in turning Britain and Russia against poor invalid Wilhelm. And they say women had no influence throughout history…
I'll give the vid a watch.
No.1233
>>1232Oh, HERBIVORISM. I have heard of that.
No.1234
>>1233and your opinion?
arguing out the cause for grass-eating was one of the main reasons for me adopting a trip in the first place, to make cross-thread discussions more coherent and to make my posts more easy to locate in archives for reference.
but noo, legion faggots insisted i was attention whoring (which i largely regressed into with my current tripcode).
most of my best posts were with my earlier trip.
No.1235
>>1234I don't have sufficient knowledge of the movement's ideological positions to actually form an opinion. For David, because he's such a sophist, these would always be cursory mentions that he'd namedrop simply for the sake of appearing smarter than he really is, and for me to develop a real opinion on that would be to co-opt a similar degree of sophism that is not befitting of a deep understanding of the movement.
If I am to give my most cursory assessment based on what
you've offered though (which is actually more than David ever covered), populism is a downfall, universally, whenever a position is distilled to appeal to the lowest common denominator. Ideological homogenization can only result in one thing; the impression of change where none is occuring. It seems just like a slightly masculinized variant of liberalism's promise of simply exercising your autonomy being enough to affect a change in the greater social fabric, when the reality is that individuals are rarely consequential to social trends that
emenate from determinant behaviours. No.1236
>>1232If we're to accept your premise that the suffragete movement was a foundational element of securing feminine autonomy, then we cannot pin-point that as the exact point at which feminism was extended to its extreme. O'Meara points to the 1950s in particular because in America specifically, society was at its zenith, prior to the deconstruction efforts of Black and female Marxists in academia at the hands of the Frankfurtists. Of course I did not take European societies into my considerations because as I've said, the monolith of the 'west' was created around this time, removing any real traditionalist distinctions between nations, by still maintaining basic traditions of the capitalist, classic-liberal, nuclearity-values system of paleoconservatism.
History aside, it's better to neglect looking at specific details of the Zionist regime of the Rothschildean empire of B'nai B'ritain's dealings with the rest of the world in the interbellum period, and focus on the greater implications of post-war recovery, prior to its thwarting by Marxist saboteurs.
No.1237
>>1235>I don't have sufficient knowledge of the movement's ideological positions to actually form an opinion.the point is that, unlike MGTOW, grass-eating doesn't imply much in the way of ideological positions at all.
it's just a personal choice to opt out of the accepted societal norm for aspiring to be a family man, and primarily looking after oneself and one's interests and disregarding more outward societal goings on.
i've seen a similar phenomenon in the mindset of the prole underclass, who when feeling lack of political representation, when faced with unemployment and a severe lack of jobs (having been treated as expendable labour by higher classes), the prole just says fuck it, fuck having an interest in all of that. tories? labour? what's the difference? neither understand them, both are largely made up of privileged oxbridge old boys with connections to shoehorn them into power, being completely out of touch with the populace.
grass-eaters, as with those proles, just turn their attention inward. that's all there is to it.
i've seen more potential in grass-eating though, and this is what you're contesting.
>populism is a downfall, universally, whenever a position is distilled to appeal to the lowest common denominatorand while i agree with you in that respect, does that statement really apply here?
>>1236while society may have reached its zenith by that point, that's not to say that the Zionist road-map hadn't already been long drawn out. it was already starting to be implemented by that point.
No.1238
>>1237It certainly does. Not to insult the Herbivores, but that you compared them with the lumpenproletariat is telling, for such a comparison runs deeper than you'd ever realise. Both are relative dysfunctionals in the relational scene, the only difference being that the lumpenproles do get partnered, to similarly disenfranchised genetic detritus on the priphery, while the Herbivores in their 'voting with the feet', think they're engaged in inverse-hypergamism in revenge for the female's similar deselection of them outwards of the fabric, but in actuality are simply, and as you fully admit, withdrawing. Withdrawing as a social movement, and to call it a social movement even more so, is an ideological cop-out. The potential only goes so far as to further reinforce female hypergamism; they wouldn't have been selected anyway!
So the statement fully applies, when we consider how to differentiate in what manner both groups have been disenfranchised.
On your second address of my points, the Zionist having planned these things years in advance (the conspiracy theorist Allan Watt will tell you that the 'chronologists', as he calls David Icke's equivalent 'archons', architectually blue-print societal shifts not just decades, but centuries in advance) does nothing to preclude the observed societal trend, and simply serves to this end as a 'restorational point' for civilization as an initial goal to achieve whenever the prevailing power structure is successfully undermined by all these forces that you have an over-optimistic faith in. But I doubt it'll happen, anyway.
No.1239
>>1231what a smart guy, he articulates the point for eugenics so well.
I found the host more irritating than Dr Welsing.
Holy shit i take that back. her bullshit on pigment's role in the phylogenetic tree is so fucking whacked out, and AGAIN (I HATE this) reduces race merely to skin colour.
Jeeeeeeeesus christ.
No.1240
>>1238>The potential only goes so far as to further reinforce female hypergamism; they wouldn't have been selected anyway!The gaijin hunter phenomenon is an unfortunate setback for grass-eaters, but afaik it's not too widespread yet (that is, whites coming in with a higher SMV and actually settling down with and having children with Japanese women).
putting that aside, are you really implying that women have that much of a choice?
the lower estimate for grass-eaters is 30% of the Japanese male population. 30%… that's a huge disparity. Think about all of the (lowest SMV, admittedly) women who are then unable to find a partner.
Japanese Chads would have neither the want nor ability to cater for that huge surplus in women, especially when the grass-eaters opting out has reduced their competition to go straight for the highest SMV Japanese women.
Japanese chads need never settle for a lower SMV woman ever again, so how could these women ever expect to hold onto their ridiculous standards and still find someone to be partnered up with?
Essentially, my line of thought is that they'd have to lower their unrealistic expectations and change the way they act, perhaps even assuming some of the effort it takes to build a relationship with men who are now entrenched in being both overly cautious about the prospect, and also disinterested.
How does it support hypergamy when in refusing to continue orbiting low SMV women, grass-eaters are helping to devalue their inflated worth?
No.1241
>>1239I remember just three months ago that I had read the revised sample testing (effectively a preamble, specification paper on the statistical observations derived from testin) preliminary to the renorming of the 3rd edition, I think it was, of the Weschler Adult Intelligence Scale, and something striking occured to me about Black intelligence distributions even at the highest levels of academia, which affirmative action has enabled their matriculation in:
For the highest educated Blacks in America, post-graduate to PhD, called 'socio-demographic class 5' in this paper, full-scale IQ scores were actulaly
3 points below the averages for high-school education only Whites.This meant that a 97-IQ laggard like Dr Welsing is doubtlessly based on her incomprehensible, stupidity-rather-than-insanity-inspired word salads, was fully able to attain her PhD thanks to affirmative action despite being woefully unqualified for even the Bachelor stage of pre-medical education (which would confer a minimal IQ requirement of 110-115, based on the averages for Whites with that education level).
>>1240Removing 30% of the lowest-SMV Japanese male segment, with the highest-70% remaining, simply reinforces the expectation in women that it is a natural order for the lowest SMV males to be rejected, and in their narcissistic expectation to see 'humility' towards them from males, fits into the fabric of their warped worldview perfectly, irrespective of how tenuous the practicality of an expectation of hypergamic selection becomes (most women don't care; it's a case of 'retarded persistence' for them, they will keep hypergamically searching and searching and searching until Mrs. 1st-percentile-attractivity gets her Mr. 31st-percentile-attractivity male). Practical implications like you've presented with the inability and lack of motivation and incentive for Chads to sustain an excess of females does not phase them, disturbingly enough.
You're just not going to affect the kind of change you want, because female psychology differs greatly in the egotism involved.
No.1242
>>1241ok, so even if grass-eaters voting with their feet doesn't cause a change in womens' attitudes, it's still going to make womens' lives objectively worse until some miracle happens and they do change.
as they approach the age where they become biologically hellbent on having children to the point of being desperate enough to lower their standards (even if they don't like the men they choose to father their children and see it as "settling"), they'll find that those men they would have fallen back on are no longer interested. maybe in their frustration they'd ask the grass-eaters why, but if they fail even to open a discourse on the problems, throw a hissy fit and pull some foreigner instead, what loss is it?
it's hardly eugenic to breed with such eternal children.
No.1244
>>1212Women do approach art with a more capitalist mindset, though.
I don't actually disagree with Autphag's statement now that I realize we're using different metrics.
And I know it was rude, but the weight of an argument isn't divvied up according to ability.
But always remember- in the end, as a cute girl you have more worth, and deserve to live more than I. You'll always have that.
No.1245
>>1244Apparently we still have to elucidate Craven on the meaning of metric in the context of our discussions?
I googled define metric and I can see now why Craven felt none-the-wiser. The definitions google gives are incomplete.
>>1223This works though:
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/metricnoun
2.
Often, metrics. a standard for measuring or evaluating something, especially one that uses figures or statistics
It's a very broad term that needs to be taken into the context of the discussion.
Take Cohen's much maligned Empathy Quotient as an example.
If you want to see how (cognitive) empathy differs between different demographs, the respective EQ scores of those demographs are the metric by which you measure that differentiation.
>extrapolablethis is a word made up by Autphag to describe something which can be extrapolated or something from which you can extrapolate something else.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/extrapolation?s=textrapolation
noun
1.
an act or instance of inferring an unknown from something that is known.
>capariciousanother word made up by Autphag. Perhaps he meant capricious:
adjective
1.
subject to, led by, or indicative of a sudden, odd notion or unpredictable change; erratic:
He's such a capricious boss I never know how he'll react.
2.
Obsolete. fanciful or witty.
No.1247
>>1245I had misspelled capricious. My apologies.
No.1248
>>1245Also, extrapolable is the most obvious, logical adjective derived from extrapolation.
I guess you could always say 'extrapolative', but that seems stilted to me.
No.1249
>>1248i think extrapolative sounds better, but extrapolable makes more sense. spell checker is red-lining both, though, so obviously oxford, collins and merriam-webster, haven't noticed the gap in our vocab yet.
No.1251
No.1258
>>1225>I don't think Craven was implying that at all.Y-you understand me so well.
Also, it's kinda weird to keep hearing myself called Craven. I know I picked the nickname but I'm just not used to it, I suppose. Since we're all friends here, you guys can call me Savvy (it's short for Savannah, which is my actual name.)
I know it's completely irrelevant, sorry, I'm just not a very private person and it feels odd to not be on a first name basis with people I've chatted with for a bit>>1225>have you explained g loading to Craven yet?He has not. I have heard of the g factor before and have the book in my Amazon wishlist (it's apparently a college-level textbook) however I've never had the chance to order it (never had a job so that's kind of a hurdle lel)
>>1226>lmao, you got your formatting wrong in the first, reposted, and still managed to include some of your response to your last quote of mine in my greentext.THIS IS A NO BULLY ZONE.
>It seems so well thought out.It took me like two seconds to think of, honestly. It's just Neurotypical politeness. Even if you think someone is being boring, you can't say it to them otherwise it'll hurt their feelings. Like I said, this is unfair especially since others never seem to take into consideration YOUR feelings, but alas that's just the way the wind blows.
>>1226> if it weren't for the fact that you then project that on us.Like I said, it's just insecurities. Everyone has their faults, this is just an extremely common female one. Just try to look at it from a bright side and be happy because your mom truly loves you and always wants to ensure that you're happy. Not justifying it at all, but like I said previously, I can see it from both sides.
>When I finally gave up orbiting the girl I liked in highschool, I tried mending our friendshipThat's a real shame that things didn't work out. I don't know what to say other than shit happens. I don't necessarily think she's to blame, though, nor was anyone at fault. After all, enough men had to have verified the "nice guy" stereotype prior to you to have her build a wall up and be distrustful. Then she projected her fears/experiences onto you unfairly and misinterpreted your advances, leaving nobody happy at the end of the day.
:/
>Yes I've explained g-factor. No, I don't know if that means she understands it or not.>Craven, do you?Nope. I try my best to follow your conversations but like I said prior I tend to understand Moss Hunter's posts almost 100% and yours about…50% - 75% if it's an especially confusing one. Sorry.
>>1244Bullshit. Everyone's life has inherently the same amount of value and worth (with the exception of some child molesters/serial killers). You deserve to live just as much as anyone else. Don't ever put yourself down like that or let anyone make you feel inferior.
>>1245Sorry that I'm having to have you explain these things to me. I feel kind of dumb now…I really do appreciate you taking the time out to help me, though. And I was fairly certain that Autphag meant capricious (which I was familiar with) but didn't want to assume anything.
No.1260
>>1258I can't be arsed writing my response. If you can tolerate my pauses and slow speaking because I'm tired:
http://vocaroo.com/i/s1VxWQ5oxwd2 No.1261
>>1260Thank you so much for explaining it! You're very polite in that vocaroo, as well, haha.
those random loud ass beeps though killed my earsSo from what I understand, the g factor is like a general measure of intelligence. So while there are different factors in determining someone's overall intelligence, based on that g factor, it's fairly easy to predict the results someone might have on a specific test relating to IQ (visuospatial cognition tests or something of the nature).
So does this mean when you take an IQ test, the 'g' factor would be the number you receive, or is the g factor merely the concept of one's intelligence? Like would it be utilized as a predictive tool in order to make a hypothesis on where someone might fall on the IQ chart (or on any type of test, for that matter)?
This is really the first time I've ever looked into the g factor so pardon me if I've completely gotten it all wrong but that's what I've grasped so far between all of the confusing nomenclature
and your thick accent, haha No.1279
cba to start a new thread or find a more suitable one for this, but met up with Autphag in Perth today.
just talked about crap and ate lunch.
Autphag, those noodles are awesome haha, think i might have to bulk order some off ebay now.
Not the best of photos because it was nippy and windy as fuck and the sun was low in the sky, but hey
No.1280
>>1279Legendary picture, though my face could do with a photoshop makeover to conceal the
gradual resurgence of overweight as a response to my recently-refound addiction to Nigerian-imported noodles.Hopefully this can go on either the preamble or title of our first co-operatively written work (yes, that's something I want to work on over the course of the months; David and I tried, but David's just a shit communicator in general).
No.1281
>>1261That's my fire-alarm.
Yes, that's the long and short of it, but nobody's quite sure if the g-factor is merely the general model core tying other intelligences together, or whether this general model core is actually one of the subsets of intelligence we already test (though it seems general intelligence is gradually coming to being consensually agreed as synonymous with fluid intelligence – with visuo-spatial also being a high correlant – as opposed to the culturally-mediated intelligence types of verbal and performance).
The predictive value of a subtest is in its g-loading; the hypothesis is that a more g-loaded test is more predictive than a more culturally-mediated one, and let me expand upon that in much more precise, albeit less concise, terms:
It is both the concept and the metric used to measure it, but the point is that not all different subtypes of intelligence are equal in value; some have more 'g-loading' than others, and it is this 'g-loading' which gives it predictive value because it means you weren't pre-taught in a way that could mediate the score (which is why crystallized intelligence tests such as the verbal subset of Weschler are unreliable).
No.1282
>>1281'G-loading', therefore, and this is the best way to regard this, can best be synonymized with 'non-verbal/"survival" wit', since it evolved to give men hunting prowess in the first place.
No.1283
>>1280>David and I tried, but David's just a shit communicator in general).don't count on me being the best communicator either haha. shit happens
No.1284
>>1283You've the conceptual backing though. He was just an airy, pretentious, pseudointellectually masturbatory freak.
No.1293
>>1279That's a wonderful photo! You both look so nice, I'm glad you all had a wonderful time. Seems like it was a beautiful day as well!
>>1281>That's my smoke detectorAutphag you need to immediately go to the store and buy new batteries. The beeping per minute is a sign that it's running low on batteries and this means as soon as it stops, it has died. Make sure you don't use a rechargable battery and you check the kind before going to the store. Please do this immediately, you always want to be protected in case some kind of emergency were to happen.
And yay, I'm really glad that I understood! I was terrified that I just had it all wrong, haha.
>>1282So therefore women have poor G-loading?
No.1342
>>1279Autphag, you look like a 40 year old Jewish professor. go to Berkeley, you'll fit right in
No.1346
>>1112I never quite worked out the paradigm you use in reference to disconnect the Scottish from a broader Celtic milieu.
Do tell…..
I might as well put my cards on the table: genetically I'm half slouching 'Bog Irish'& half Lowlands crofter.
The Scots being a meshing of Celtic & Northern Angle make this certainty of yours problematic.
No.1349
>>1346Be sure to add an image to your next post of your face so he can engage in his specialized Phrenology.
I apologise in advance for this comment, Autphag. I couldn't resist. I'm not Cro-magnon. No.1368
>>1349I look like a 19th century fat-faced supercilious high church deacon caught in flagrante delicto with a serving girl quoting Seneca whilst fitfully ejaculating.
Or a vacuum cleaner salesman from Milwaukee circa 1953 staring hopelessly and lovingly at a fifth of rye after screaming and punching the wall of a motel.
No.1375
>>1368>Quoting Senecaayy lmao
Pics or it didn't happen, kiddo.
No.1385
>>1368Just creating an image, a miasma, of what my pallid face looks like.
Still….at least I'm not Peter Coffin or Anthony Burch
I assume no one else here believes in Phrenology?
No.1386
>>1385She's getting phrenology (pseudoscientific measurement of superficial features of the skull's surface correlating with neurological features or even things as vague as personality) confused with craniometry (measuring the dimensions of the skull to categorize broad racial groups etc., many of the categories of which are still used in a technical capacity by anthropology).
No.1389
>>1346Well, the Anglos are a genetically Germanic people.
Then you have the Orcadian Nords who are a mixture of Celtic royalty and Vikings to the North East, which has gradually been drifting downwards into the lowlands over the last 500 years or so.
Overall, the Scottish Celts (to the East anyway, discounting the Irish drift into Glasgow) are ever so slightly more Germanic than they are Celtic.
No.1390
For the benefit of those who would be slightly entertained by my retarded flailing around in taking my journey.
I forgot to add that, in trying to get to the 9.33 am service, I nearly caught the wrong train (on the same platform right enough, which was going to Milgavie). Then I realised what 'front 2 carriages' meant, in a sort of delayed-recall process where I hadn't processed the information upon the first time I was reading the platform screen (having to get up early made me tired). I realised I was in carriage 3, which was not a continuous part of the train, but a seperate train! So I had to bail out of that and get into the right train. Just a lick of luck that I managed to get in the correct one just 3 minutes before departure.
No.1391
>>1390Sorry for quadruple-shitposting but I might as well add, since it's very clear from the alternative, greyed-out route, that I could've taken a bus to Perth (and it would've been free in my case, thanks to a travel-concession card given to the disabled – then again, stupidly enough, type-3 transvestism is considered a 'disability' here and I did see one masculine-looking 'woman' with such a card on the train going to Perth, who was not elderly – and elderly in Scotland), even though it would've taken an extra 10 minutes or so to get there and I imagine, back. I didn't see any busses going to Edinburgh while there, though.
No.1392
>>1279I enjoy blustery overcast days, there's a certain dramaticism to everything and the cold keeps me sharp.
What are your heights?
No.1393
>>13925'8
and 6'3 respectively I believe.
No.1394
>>1392Ay lmao Ging is getting wet for Moss Hunter too.
No.1403
>>1393I'm 192cm, stop understating my height man.
And yeah I'm using my phone because I didn't have the resolve to give this place a break for the weekend lol
No.1404
>>1394I wanted to know if one of them was remarkably tall or short, because it only showed them from the bust up and I couldn't tell otherwise.
Mostly because I hadn't imagined Autphag as particularly short, and his being so would surprise me.
No.1406
>>1403OH WOW, A WHOLE HALF FUCKING INCH XD
>>14045'8'' is about 1 inch short of the Scots male average and 2 inches short of the mainland European and American averages for men.
I'm not 'particularly' short, but I am, in stature, trailing the mean, so to speak.
Hitler's statement about the city's people being more eugenic than country people is a lot of bullshit though. Returning to Edinburgh, I found a significant number of men walking down Princes Street were my height or less, perhaps up to slightly greater than half.
Meanwhile, back in my home village of Blackburn, I think I might've been the shortest male by far, in several lines at shops or other buildings in the area.
No.1408
>>14065'8" doesn't seem short at all to me, living in a city with sizable Mexican population I pass at least a half dozen men who are under five foot.
No.1409
>>1385Yeah but do you really think it's plausible that the serving woman would be quoting Seneca, of all people?
>>1386Both pseudoscience, oops. I forgot the word a bit ago and Googled "skull measuring" and that was the word that came up. I knew it was something of that nature, my bad.
>>1394Don't give them any ideas, Cameron. I don't need more competition, I'm already beat by all the cute Scottish girls, I don't need another qt rowboat to be vying for his attention as well ;__;. It's hard enough as it is.
>>14065'8" isn't short, Moss is just insanely tall.
No.1411
>>1409I wouldn't say craniometry is a pseudoscience, it's given us valuable insight on extinct hominids, even if its worth as a tool to deign racial attributes is questionable.
For paleontological speculation craniometry is fairly invaluable.
No.1412
>>1411I would agree with you in that aspect however the way that Autphag and you have been using it to argue the inferiority of the Irish and women in general is completely baseless.
Some French faggot named Paul Broca claimed that due to women having a smaller crania, they should be denied education because our "teensy brains couldn't handle it." That's paraphrasing, of course, but still. Those ideas are largely outdated and classified currently as scientific racism. This probably sounds hypocritical coming from me as I am
considered a racist however I merely look at crime statistics and refuse to condone miscegenation. I don't feel like I'm inherently
superior to anyone else merely based on their race, but I don't think that the differences between ethnic groups is merely summed up with color of their skin and culture.
So while Craniometry is valuable in differentiating the intelligence between animals and helps support the theory of evolution, it's a bit silly to try and classify modern day cultural groups using Craniometry.
No.1413
>>1412cultural and ethnic**
No.1423
>>1412Women do have smaller brains than men though: we have recently discovered that the predictive value of crania volume as a correlant of intelligence differs between the sexes, but within sexes, the predictive value remains significant, though nowhere near a solid correlant (for the same skull size there can exist a range of approximately 15-30 IQ points depending on other things in brain development that don't depend on, or circumvent, skull capacity, like fold complexity, neural density, etc).
Also within the size of crania, dimensional profile (whether the skull is, on the cephalic index – and you may search that term on Wikipedia – a dolicephalic, mesocephalic, or brachycephalic one) differs, which can affect neurological development significantly. I once read a really old and obscure research paper in writing up my Wisdom of Autphag racialist-conspiracy pamphlet, yes, it was outdated, but we can attribute its antiquantedness not to a natural change in scientific paradigm but the forced discontinuation of its study and therefore,
it is still valid by default. It showed that certain mental disorders were correlated with extreme dolicephalia and extreme brachycephalia respectively, with the least occuring in mesocephalics; this middle-range was deemed 'the most eudemonious cranio-developmental profile.' It also noted that extreme dolicephalia was associated with greater cases of mental retardation, theoretically speculated to be due to the constriction of neo-cortical expansion.
So there you have it, the
science of craniometry.
No.1424
>>1423To condense the terminology a bit, I'll provide an example of how skull size differences between men and women do not impact the intelligence of the latter as much as would be predicted on an IQ-cranial volume correlant drawn up from the exclusive study of men:
The average Raven-tested g-score of women is 95, and of males is 105. (Weschler score posits a narrower difference in functional ability, with whole-scale scores of 99 and 101; that's bullshit, women are being overestimated and men, underestimated, due to the verbal component.) The average skull size for women is 1330 cm^3 while for men it is 1380 cm^3.
Given the correlant constant assuming an average IQ of 105 for men of skull size 1380cm^3 of 0.25, this would mean that women at their average skull size would have an IQ of about 87.5, which is obviously not the case; the differnece isn't that large, so we then have to go about devising plotting different correlation gradients for distinct data measures drawn from the sexes.
No.1427
>>1423I think it is worth noting, that in the retrospective review of my previous statement that I hadn't clarified too well as to why I had specified a range so large as a standard deviation (or more, in the case of women, owing to a narrower distribution for them) for a given skull size. The key factor to keep in mind here is: testosterone. In particular its pure form, and not the derivative metabolite and, as is speculatively deductable from its nature, waste-product, dihydrotestosterone.
Despite the brain having no actual androgenic receptors, the conversion of it to estrogen is responsible for the brain's virilization (masculinization). Males actually have more aromatazes in the brain than do women, despite having less aromataze elsewhere, and that's simply because corrected for leanness, the brains of men are bigger, and corrected for this size of neocortical matter, though the density of aromataze is the same,
its persistence in male brains is higher. Hence, as well as having higher neural testosterone concentration, men have
higher neural estrogen concentration, consequently.
This is important because in being responsible for virlization, it is responsible for virilization's neurological effects, namely perpendicularizing the direction of axon development, the focus of neural meiosis on grey-matter thickening and neuron cell multiplication rather than nerve axon growth and myelination, and the very development of these folds, the complexity of which determine relative neuronal density.
Perpendicularization of neuronal connections means that instead of connecting inter-hemispherically as in women (from the left to the right side of the brain mostly via. the corpus callosum),
connections are made from anterior to posterior parts of the brain via the prefrontal cortex, as well as temporally-occipitally. This is mostly what's responsible for higher IQg/IQf and reaction times in men,
which correlate with each-other more closely in men than women. No.1430
>>1409Making a stab in the dark guess that the word is physiognomy.
I'd agree that that's a pseudoscience. The nazis tried using it to rat out the Jews by reducing it to metrics and measurements, didn't work, plenty of Jews slipped under the radar - jews that otherwise had an obviously Jewish look to them. See Europa europa, for example. In the film, the Jewish propagandists hired a very German guy to play the Jew. If you see photos of the actual jew who the film depicted, it baffles me how he got away with it because he looked Jewish as fuck.
No.1432
>>1430Simple,
you Germans are so autistic that you couldn't recognize a Jewish face if it stared into your own. No.1433
>>1432Aww shit, I forgot to unLegion Faggotamize myself after posting on /cow/.
Don't fucking ban me 54m50n you Jewish negrito prick.
No.1436
>>1432>
I'll take that, but only because I'm not fully German. I reckon my jewdar isn't all too bad.
No.1533
>>1430I guess the question here is whether your genetic background is your destiny?
There are times when I feel that the maladaptive low-intellect low-implulse control behaviours that I display like junkfood consumption & alcohol abuse, are caused by a Celtic genetic background on my father's side.
These failures are under control to the extent I live a vaguely middle class life but do delay my progress.
I also suspect some of these traits are influenced by my job (split-second analysing information & subsequently making a choice based on it) & chan culture that emphasises quick slivers of information & snide trolling.
I feel like the protagonist in Gattaca, sometimes.
No.1534
>>1533Every race has a socio-economic stratosphere, which accompany nearly as many genetic differences between these strata (IQ being most salient, but other things too like rate of maturation; the development of children from families who go further on economically in life during adulthood is retarded compared to families who develop quicker but don't go as far), as exist among the races, as I've said on my (new) Autphag blog before.
Also in response to your penultimate statement I'd suggest finding slower, higher-quality boards.