/r9trip/ - The Complete Robot

My various claims have been dismissed as bullshit simply because Jason Scott decided to misinterpret the intent with which I had speculated my Polish grandfather's ethnicity to in fact be Jewish (based mostly on the fact he had few interests rooted in his home culture and obsessed over communist figures and how they were 'after him').

My low socio-economic status at present is due to the curse of having a large enough family to have produced a wide enough intelligence distribution among siblings, with my mother being one of the dumbest. (Regression to the mean has treated me almost with the graciousness of God here, and I thank him for that.) Being stupid, she married a defective, who himself was not neccessarily as stupid as he was damaged (his general intelligence and adaptivity astounded me despite his illiteracy; mostly in the area of his 'nigger-rigging' skills with equipment and automobiles). Being this low-midwitted sociopath, she was preying on his vulnerabilities with the intent of exploiting him. This is common among women.

Still, I did definitely inherit autism from my mother. She was always fairly high-testosterone and that had intoxicated my brain in the womb. My father was fairly neurotypical, he could meld into social situations well enough for his other deficiencies to hardly be noticable.

My mother has that combination of ASPD and autism where she not only struggled with social assimilation and yearned for belonging, but what little social skills she had, she was only compelled to use to manipulate, sadly; usually in reaction to paranoia (she would project her manipulative tendencies onto everyone else). It reminds me a little of a former friend of mine by the name of David Chac, some idiotic autism 'separatist'. These are unusual characteristics for the whole Mongoloid population (the sociopathy, not the autism, which seems to be universal, but narrowly spread at the Asperger side of the spectrum) but one has to consider that Sardinian Poles are dysgenic enough for that side of her heritage to bring the cautiousness of her temperament down to nothing.

Cool Idea. I'm not on my computer atm so don't have my trip, can post to confirm this is me when I get back in a few days.

I'll start with what was known from written records before delving into what I'm learning through genetic genealogy.

Paternal Grandfather: Scottish. Family from Lanarkshire, he's given me the surnames for all four of his grandparents plus one great grandmother - all common Scottish surnames. Not much else to say as so far, this is the side of the family with the sparsest paper trail.

Paternal Grandmother: Scottish. Family predominantly from Crieff, although somehow the family ended up in Greenock/Gourock for some time, possibly through her maternal grandmother whose direct patrilineage we can trace back to an ethnic Pole who emigrated from Prussia to work in the mines of Ayrshire a long way back.

Maternal Grandfather: This is where shit gets complicated. OK for starters, let's just assume that his dad was full-on German. His mum though, she was born in St Petersburg to a Tsarist family. Her mother was predominantly Russian albeit with some Cornish (yeah, don't ask). Her father was German-Estonian. Find Talinn and St Petersburg on the map, that's their area of the world. Until the commies outet the Tsarist white Russians, which is how she ended up in Germany.
I have my grandfather's ahnentafel - signatures and stamps dated 1938 testify that the Nazis went through every single one of his recorded ancestors to make sure he was racially pure. His dad, a Christian minister, had managed to get on the wrong side of the Nazis so if there was any trace of impurities, I doubt the family would have made it through the war. Instead, to soften the blow of having his dad arrested, they made my grandfather a standard bearer in the hitler youth.

Maternal Grandmother: Her mum's dad was Swiss-German, her mum's mum's family were south German (my direct matrilineage stabilises in Stuttgart for some generations), her dad's dad was Dutch, her dad's mum was Frisian.

In the late 40's/early 50's, my mum's parents emigrated to Scotland. I believe they met there, as my mum's dad had grown up in/around Munich, whilst her mym had grown up in Amsterdam.

OK, on to genetics:

yDNA:
R1b (no surprises there)
A subclade most highly concentrated in the British Isles (pred Ireland and Western Scotland) (no surprises there)
I joined a surname project and complemented my results with STR markers. The outcome of this testing is that I can say quite confidently that we did not have our surname before the 1600's.
I was able to get BigY heavily discounted both through my project and through holiday sales, to vastly increase the definition of my SNP results. My results will be through by March, but it could take a lot longer until enough people have tested for the tree to be drawn in more detail and correlated with history. The hope is that we could find a more suiting surname, although one of the admins in my predicament has a hunch that our patrilineage goes back to the subjugated Picto-Brythonic tribes, and not a Clan.

mtDNA:
U5a
Again, no real surprises. This is an old haplogroup being diffuse at about 10-11% over a large area of Western Eurasia.
I don't plan on delving further into my own matrilineage, but am investigating the matrilineages of my maternal grandfather (Russian matrilineage), and paternal grandmother (Scottish matrilineage, aka the line of Elizabeths since every woman going back 4 generations from my grandmother was called Elizabeth). Not of direct use to me, but should provide hours of small-talk with my extended family.


Autosomal:
Fuck it, it was taking too long for me to write this out so I'm pasting it in from an earlier discussion I had.

"Speaking of Romany intermarriage, how common/widespread has it been in Scotland and is there any writing on the subject? My population finder results came back 6.91% South Asian (North Indian), since switching to myOrigins it now shows 3% Central Asia (describes in terms of historical Irano-Afghan populations), and 4% Asia Minor (With reference to historical Turkish and Caucasian populations). Running my results through gedmatch admixture tools throws up markers interpreted as being from Turkey and the Caucasus, through Iran, Afghanistan and Pakistan to India. I ordered a 23andme for myself to give me more data to run through gedmatch and possibly even transfer into ftdna, as well as ordering a family finder for my dad's dad, and geno 2.0 for his mum and my mum's dad (to transfer to ftdna), to find out where it all comes from. As for the Anatolian/Caucasian admixture, I have 2 theories. Either picked up by the Romany during their migration, or possibly the Caucasian came through my mum's father who's mother's mother's family were Russian. As for the South Asian regardless, if only one of my dad's parents tests for it, it could be put down to a more recent intermarriage and more isolated incident - if both test for it, especially given their families come from completely different areas of Scotland, it would indicate that Romany admixture is potentially more prevalent. M, M, M, R, M, F, F, P aren't Indian names and the latter 4 (of whom I have photos) are fair-skinned and certainly don't look Indian. I wouldn't be surprised if Romany intermarriage was more widespread. My dad looks more South Asian than either of his parents - it's as if he inherited the most South Asian traits of both - and I see people who look like my dad all over Scotland - lambing season last year covered a Borders sheep farmer who looked similar, one of my dad's neighbours has similar features, as does the actor Alan McHugh."

>>691
I will say that I've struggled with my matrilinical paper-trail (it's not so easy to determine when your maternal grandparents had both emigrated from different parts of the world during great conflicts which had likely eradicated most records domestically stored). Here's what I know about my mother's patrilinical inheritance on a level of finer detail (and, somewhere down this, I manage to tangentially cover other aspects of my ancestral history):

He was born in Lvov when it was part of the original Second Polish Republic during the interbellar period of WWI and WWII to a farming family somewhere on its outskirts. Upon being drafted by the Polish military during the latter, he had experienced such severe PTSD from fearing that two of his major enemies were encroaching upon him (his father was killed by Nazis, his mother by communists) that he decided to abscond (thus effectively going AWOL), hanging underneath the chassis of a passenger train for approximately 3 weeks (so he alleged to my mother) until reaching Switzerland, where he stayed for a while until suspecting interception by the Chaka intelligence forces. It was from this point that he had migrated further west still, until finally reaching Britain some time after the second World War's conclusion; he changed his name to evade detection from the Chaka and the MI5 to the completely Anglo sounding 'Raymond Thomson' (I understand that his Polish name is the linguistic equivalent, surname anyway). His grave can be found at Morningside cemetery (because he was so successful that he could afford to live in one of the richest districts in Edinburgh) near my grandmother's, who we know even less about (largely due to her inability to speak English beyond what was her basic 1,000-word repertoire of almost-words), though she had claimed to come from near where modern Sinuiju is, before moving to the Chinese border-city of Dandong some time into Japanese colonization. The typical arrangement of mafiotic trafficking pricks managed to send her to Europe somehow.

Both led unspectacular careers prior to migrating to the United Kingdom. Grandmother was a cotton spinner before becoming a spinster against her will. My grandfather, prior to being drafted, was a farm-hand. As far as I understand, they had both met in the mines somewhere near Preston Pans, where they had both worked (unusual job for a woman, but orientals are a different character entirely). It actually took them a while to get married, because my grandmother thought of my grandfather to have yet proven his status and credibility (the hypergamist matriarch was even a thing back then!). Upon saving the money though, he had bought his first DIY tools store in Morningside some time in the late 1950s.

Status did not correlate so closely to general ability back when even the geniuses were, by the majority, subsistence farmers due to the remnants of feudalistic class-heirarchical structure that capitalism had never expunged of fully, especially in Eastern Europe and the Altaicosphere. So to infer that they were dysgenic simply because of their proletarian backgrounds is less as clear-cut as in a meritocratic society like the West is (or tries to be).

The reason I don't doubt their racial qualities to be superior to that of the Scottish side of my family is that, upon coming to the West, from near nothing, they had managed to ascend the socioeconomic ladder (breaking one's situation is a high-g trait), while the Scottish side of my family were ever-dysgenically down-breeding to the extent of inter-generational poverty, getting worse with each one (g-depression, likely from a mixture of downbreeding and interbreeding; my paternal grandmother from the Shetlands probably salvaged that to a degree, because marrying down due to 'sympathy' for inferior males seems to be a peculiarly common trait in my family lineage :/). The Clans were a highly eugenic and selective close-assortment group, so I'm probably looking at a divergence between Celtid and Picto-Brythonic tribes on that side myself with only recent Sub-Nordic/Celto-Nordic drift.

I lack the resources for genealogical testing (or if I don't at a stretch, say, then I lack the desire to surrender a fraction of my living standard for something of no immediate benefit to me), so there would be a dearth of data there. I imagine population finder and marker results would be entirely consistent with the oral etiology of my heritage.

>>692
>>693
what exactly is the difference betweenthe picts and the clans? I have no idea

>>693
About intermarriage between those of different classes and social status, the great kick-in-the-shin on my mother's side was of course, the commie revolution and the general breakdown of aristocracy following the first world war.
Many on various sides of her family (Russian, German and Dutch) were very well-to-do. I have one great great great great great grandfather who not only went to university with Beethoven, but was of a higher social standing than him at the time.
My dad's mum came from what I guess you could call an aspirational lower-middle class butcher's family. Her father was the oldest of 5 children, orphaned when he was 11, so he had a hard life. My gran wanted to marry a lowly dock-worker, but he put his foot down and said no, so she married my grandfather who was an RAF engineer who re-trained as a Barber.

Whilst both my parents could be described as being from a middle class background purely based on income, culturally speaking my dad had much more of a lower-class rural upbringing whilst my mum likes to imagine she still has it in her to be all fancy and posh and would consider herself more towards the upper-end of middle class.


>>699
You can't really speak of comparing the Picts (an ethnolinguistic group) to Clans (a social structure pertaining to a given period of time).

However, you can compare the Picts (who were Brythonic, that is having been settled in Great Britain and speaking a language akin to Welsh), and the Gaels (who came from Ireland in the late dark ages and brought a Goidelic - gaelic tongue).

You couldn't really say that the tribal social structure of the Picts was juxtaposed to the clan structure of the Gaels, that's a false assumption. Prior to the middle ages, the Gaels were tribal as well. However, having subjugated the Picts, introducing the Gaelic language and also Christianity, the ruling elite in Scotlad were Gaelic, so that when the Clan system came about, the families which became the centre of clans were often of Gaelic origin.

Let me explain in more detail the differences between tribe and clan.

In the time of the tribes, surnames/patrinomes weren't really a thing, and whilst descent from a great leader would have been noted, it didn't necessarily need to be directly patrilineal. One tribal leader wasn't necessarily the son of the previous tribal leader, and they would have to have proved their merit to gain the confidence of their tribe to be considered the leader.

The Clan system came about due to nepotism. A great leader would make conditions rosy for their son to take rule after them, and to note their continued descent from one great leader to the next, these ruling families began to use patrinomes (and they did so many centuries before surnames became commonplace for everyone).
Now the problem with Europe's ruling elite is that they inbreed a lot, and that's not healthy.
The Clan system's solution to this was to have an "extended family" of non-related people who had sworn allegiance to the ruling family. They could inter-marry with the ruling family, thus maintaining genetic variance, but only those who had direct patrilineage from the ruling family could claim to be legitimate heirs to the clan and thus potential leaders of it.

Surnames became common for everybody around the 1700's, maybe as late as the 1800's, but to put this in historical context, the English and their traitorous allies were royally fucking up the Clan system, dissolving clans, proscribing surnames and claiming traditional Clan land for themselves. Since the keeping of patrinomes for the maintenence of the Clan system no longer bore relevance, all of the lower members of the clans didn't really have much to consider when they too began taking surnames, and so just went for the surname of the clan they had been allied to.

Hopefully that explains things to you.

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BTW Autphag, you sound an interesting mix.

Mind posting a face pic or directing me to one?