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The synthwave is cool


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"Create in me a pure heart, O my God, and renew a tranquil conscience within me, O my Hope! Through the spirit of power confirm Thou me in Thy Cause, O my Best-Beloved, and by the light of Thy glory reveal unto me Thy path, O Thou the Goal of my desire! Through the power of Thy transcendent might lift me up unto the heaven of Thy holiness, O Source of my being, and by the breezes of Thine eternity gladden me, O Thou Who art my God! Let Thine everlasting melodies breathe tranquillity on me, O my Companion, and let the riches of Thine ancient countenance deliver me from all except Thee, O my Master, and let the tidings of the revelation of Thine incorruptible Essence bring me joy, O Thou Who art the most manifest of the manifest and the most hidden of the hidden!"


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Ain't nobody stoppin' my shine

They try to break me try to take me out

But I got Jesus on my side

Felt so bad I thought I would die

But ain't no power stronger than the one

That came and laid down his life

And I got mountains to climb

But the enemy can't stop me

'Cause there's a calling on my life

So, when I'm crying, don't last too long

'Cause he's gon' step in and make it alright

Won't He do it?

He said He would

Fight your battles for you

They gon' wonder how you sleep at night

Won't He do it?

Ah yes, He will

Anybody tell you something different

You know that's a lie

You gon' look back and be so amazed

How it turned out

It's only His grace

Won't He do it?

He said He would

So, I trust Him at all times

I'm about to lose it again

I'm about to let them know where I'm from

Don't take me there again

I just call on Jesus, my friend

Get me back in line one more time

'Cause he's always listening

Ain't nobody perfect, everybody's hurting

I need your whisper Lord, save me from my weaknesses

'Cause you're always on time

Come and get your breakthrough

'Cause I'm gonna get mine

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Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.

Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.

Give us this day our daily bread.

And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.

And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.

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I agree, there are inconsistencies with the wrting styles as well. Repeated verses, new titles, etc. regardless, its worth the read. UR The blues is hilarious, I strongly recommend it.



>But for you plebs, I ask. How can we have free will if praying is supposed to be effective?

this is a great question and it has a great answer. God is all powerful and knows everything. God created everything. since God created everything, God controls everything. since God controls everything, there is no such thing as free will. God created free will, but since God created free will, God controls it, so there is no free will but of course this is a special paradox created by God. since God created paradoxes, God also controls paradoxes. God controls all, in true reality and in fake reality. It doesn't have to make sense to our imperfect human minds. since God knows everything and is all knowing and all powerful, God is responsible for all the thoughts that enter your mind. God knows all the thoughts you ever had, all the thoughts you ever could have had, all the thoughts you might ever have, all the thoughts you will never have, and all the thoughts you will have. because of this, technically speaking, prayer is obsolete and isn't necessary. that being said, God who is all powerful and all knowing, doesn't actually need anything because God is infinite and beyond infinite, true completeness. God is perfection, and God is simultaneously perfection without being a dead end of staleness. God is always improving and becoming more and greater and more than infinite, even though God is already perfect. God is perfection, and continues to become even better constantly. because of this God doesn't actually need anything. however, things like prayer do make God happy. God likes it when you pray even though God already knows what you are going to pray. it's just a nice thing on our part, a small effort as if to say that we are doing this nice little thing for God because we know it pleases God. I hope this answers your question.

if you have other questions it's possible that they are already answered in my thread. (which is related to your post) so I politely link my thread hopefully without disrupting this one.

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In this glad hour of worship, I draw aside from toil and care, and lift my heart unto Thee for light and strength, for faith and courage.

In the stress and turmoil of daily striving, I yield only too often to selfish ease and mean ambitions. I become so entangled in the things of earth that I lose the sense of life’s simplicity and nobility.

Fortify my spirit, enlighten my reason, and elevate my aims and desires, that I may devote all my powers of body and mind to Thy service.

Thou hast implanted within me the yearning for the unseen and the infinite; instil Thou also within me fresh zeal and purpose, when my soul faints and my vision grows dim. O that my ideals would pervade all my thought and labors, that I might never lose sight of Thy supreme realities!

I bow in reverence before Thee, Strength of my heart, my never-failing Light. Amen.


Hark Israel: The Lord our God, the lord is one.

שמע ישראל יהוה אלהינו יהוה אחד


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Ecclesiasticism is at once and forever incompatible with that living faith, growing spirit, and firsthand experience of the faith-comrades of Jesus in the brotherhood of man in the spiritual association of the kingdom of heaven.

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Until the human race progresses to the level of a higher and more general recognition of the realities of spiritual experience, large numbers of men and women will continue to show a personal preference for those religions of authority which require only intellectual assent, in contrast to the religion of the spirit, which entails active participation of mind and soul in the faith adventure of grappling with the rigorous realities of progressive human experience.

155:5.9 The acceptance of the traditional religions of authority presents the easy way out for man’s urge to seek satisfaction for the longings of his spiritual nature. The settled, crystallized, and established religions of authority afford a ready refuge to which the distracted and distraught soul of man may flee when harassed by fear and tormented by uncertainty. Such a religion requires of its devotees, as the price to be paid for its satisfactions and assurances, only a passive and purely intellectual assent.

155:5.10 And for a long time there will live on earth those timid, fearful, and hesitant individuals who will prefer thus to secure their religious consolations, even though, in so casting their lot with the religions of authority, they compromise the sovereignty of personality, debase the dignity of self-respect, and utterly surrender the right to participate in that most thrilling and inspiring of all possible human experiences: the personal quest for truth, the exhilaration of facing the perils of intellectual discovery, the determination to explore the realities of personal religious experience, the supreme satisfaction of experiencing the personal triumph of the actual realization of the victory of spiritual faith over intellectual doubt as it is honestly won in the supreme adventure of all human existence—man seeking God, for himself and as himself, and finding him.

155:5.11 The religion of the spirit means effort, struggle, conflict, faith, determination, love, loyalty, and progress. The religion of the mind—the theology of authority—requires little or none of these exertions from its formal believers. Tradition is a safe refuge and an easy path for those fearful and halfhearted souls who instinPost too long. Click here to view the full text.


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100:5.1 The world is filled with lost souls, not lost in the theologic sense but lost in the directional meaning, wandering about in confusion among the isms and cults of a frustrated philosophic era. Too few have learned how to install a philosophy of living in the place of religious authority. (The symbols of socialized religion are not to be despised as channels of growth, albeit the river bed is not the river.)


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99:6.1 Sectarianism is a disease of institutional religion, and dogmatism is an enslavement of the spiritual nature. It is far better to have a religion without a church than a church without religion.


170:5.7 The church, as a social outgrowth of the kingdom, would have been wholly natural and even desirable. The evil of the church was not its existence, but rather that it almost completely supplanted the Jesus concept of the kingdom. Paul's institutionalized church became a virtual substitute for the kingdom of heaven which Jesus had proclaimed.

170:5.8 But doubt not, this same kingdom of heaven which the Master taught exists within the heart of the believer, will yet be proclaimed to this Christian church, even as to all other religions, races, and nations on earth—even to every individual.

170:5.9 The kingdom of Jesus' teaching, the spiritual ideal of individual righteousness and the concept of man's divine fellowship with God, became gradually submerged into the mystic conception of the person of Jesus as the Redeemer-Creator and spiritual head of a socialized religious community. In this way a formal and institutional church became the substitute for the individually spirit-led brotherhood of the kingdom.

170:5.10 The church was an inevitable and useful social result of Jesus' life and teachings; the tragedy consisted in the fact that this social reaction to the teachings of the kingdom so fully displaced the spiritual concept of the real kingdom as Jesus taught and lived it.

170:5.11 The kingdom, to the Jews, was the Israelite community; to the gentiles it became the Christian church. To Jesus the kingdom was the sum of those individuals who had confessed their faith in the fatherhood of God, thereby declaring their wholehearted dedication to the doing of the will of God, thus becoming members of the spiritual brotherhood of man.

170:5.12 The Master fully realized that certain social results would appear in the world as a consequence of the spread of the gospel of the kingdom; but he intended that all such desirable social manifestations should appear as unconscious and inevitable outgrowths, or natural fruits, of this inner personal experience of individual believers, this purely spiritual fellowship and communion with the divine spirit which indwells and activates all such believers.

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195:9.3 The teachings of Jesus, even though greatly modified, survived the mystery cults of their birthtime, the ignorance and superstition of the dark ages, and are even now slowly triumphing over the materialism, mechanism, and secularism of the twentieth century. And such times of great testing and threatened defeat are always times of great revelation.

195:9.4 Religion does need new leaders, spiritual men and women who will dare to depend solely on Jesus and his incomparable teachings. If Christianity persists in neglecting its spiritual mission while it continues to busy itself with social and material problems, the spiritual renaissance must await the coming of these new teachers of Jesus' religion who will be exclusively devoted to the spiritual regeneration of men. And then will these spirit-born souls quickly supply the leadership and inspiration requisite for the social, moral, economic, and political reorganization of the world.

195:9.5 The modern age will refuse to accept a religion which is inconsistent with facts and out of harmony with its highest conceptions of truth, beauty, and goodness. The hour is striking for a rediscovery of the true and original foundations of present-day distorted and compromised Christianity—the real life and teachings of Jesus.

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Seems "scribes" harassed Jesus but wrote such out as they "posted" on their net of the day: small minds. The "media" of the day may even have written in the creation of a "church" in an attempt to intercept the power of and in, Faith, Jesus was attempting to teach. But then …..



The gospel of the kingdom is founded on the personal religious experience of the Jesus of Galilee; Christianity is founded almost exclusively on the personal religious experience of the Apostle Paul. Almost the whole of the New Testament is devoted, not to the portrayal of the significant and inspiring religious life of Jesus, but to a discussion of Paul's religious experience and to a portrayal of his personal religious convictions. The only notable exceptions to this statement, aside from certain parts of Matthew, Mark, and Luke, are the Book of Hebrews and the Epistle of James. Even Peter, in his writing, only once reverted to the personal religious life of his Master. The New Testament is a superb Christian document, but it is only meagerly Jesusonian.


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I gave up on the "traditional" approach after reading "The Gospel According To Jesus Christ" then went back ans studied the first four, and excluded all of the Old Testament as well as all of the books following John in the new testament. When you "study" Christ's "words" (attributed to him), a "character comes to life with a recognizable "tone" and identity. Most of "his words", and intent, have survived. Old testament is mainly Jewish History, while books following John are "scattered". Only in SOME of the Gnostic texts to I find what I call a whimper of "The Shepherd's Voice".


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Just as Jesus left peace along the trail somewhere, I leave Christianity and instead am prepared to "attack" the church as an obvious foreign "entry" of words at "..the rock upon which my church will be built". This "concept" of "church" is in disagreement with Jesus instruction on prayer: non theatrical and to the point. Only in "do this in remembrance" can we hint of "church". "The Church" was nothing but a power grab to control how "the words of Jesus" were to be interpreted… in favor of the church. See


in early development where I attempt to show what I believe Jesus said in referring to "go to Him that sent me." It is in very rough form and difficult to read/follow. Through "the life force" as in "I am", God is within each of us unless we ignore, and mask out that "foreign direction we often sense.



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Have you accepted Ahura Mazda as the true creator of all mankind? Or are you a Liar?
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That's not asha. You can "officially" become Zoroastrian. They even organized a free ceremony "Kushti" for me. Iran is definitely far away and expensive, specially if you're in the Americas (It was about 20 hours long for me) but if you really want "Zoroastrian" to be written on your paper, it's totally doable. I do believe American Mobeds also accept conversion. If you don't want to travel to Iran.



Some historians even believe Zoroastrianism "inspired" Judaism.


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May the light of the lord guide us all to the way of the asha



So you traveled to Iran to become a Zoroastrian?

Please tell me more, like what led you to do that, what it was like, etc.

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Did religion come before or after written language was invented?

What is the "proto-religion"? Is it the honor of the dead?

Do animals have religion?

Propaganda and all that aside. What do you believe is the oldest religion still in use today? The Indians say it is Hinduism, but that's dubious because the actual concept of hinudisn as an organized religion did not come until after its revival from when India was recovering from Muslim conques. Hinduism is just the conglomeration of many personal deities and local gods.

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religion existed before text. "unga bungo" *points at sky* "UNGO BUNNNNOOGOGOGO"

totally happened. no sarcasm.



101:0.1.RELIGION, as a human experience, ranges from the primitive fear slavery of the evolving savage up to the sublime and magnificent faith liberty of those civilized mortals who are superbly conscious of sonship with the eternal God.

101:0.2.Religion is the ancestor of the advanced ethics and morals of progressive social evolution. But religion, as such, is not merely a moral movement, albeit the outward and social manifestations of religion are mightily influenced by the ethical and moral momentum of human society. Always is religion the inspiration of man's evolving nature, but it is not the secret of that evolution.


85:0.1 PRIMITIVE RELIGION HAD a biologic origin, a natural evolutionary development, aside from moral associations and apart from all spiritual influences. The higher animals have fears but no illusions, hence no religion. Man creates his primitive religions out of his fears and by means of his illusions.

85:0.2 In the evolution of the human species, worship in its primitive manifestations appears long before the mind of man is capable of formulating the more complex concepts of life now and in the hereafter which deserve to be called religion. Early religion was wholly intellectual in nature and was entirely predicated on associational circumstances. The objects of worship were altogether suggestive; they consisted of the things of nature which were close at hand, or which loomed large in the commonplace experience of the simple-minded primitive Urantians.

85:0.3 When religion once evolved beyond nature worship, it acquired roots of spirit origin but was nevertheless always conditioned by the social environment. As nature worship developed, man's concepts envisioned a division of labor in the supermortal world; there were nature spirits for lakes, trees, waterfalls, rain, and hundreds of other ordinary terrestrial phenomena.

85:0.4 At one time or another mortal man has worshiped everything on the face of the earth, including himself. He has also worshiped about everything imaginable in the sky and beneath the surface of the earth. Primitive man feared all manifestations of power; he worshiped every natural phenomenon he could not comprehend. The observation of powerful natural forces, such as storms, floods, earthquakes, landslides, volcanoes, fire, heat, and cold, greatly impressed the expanding mind of man. The inexplicable things of life are still termed "acts of God" and "mysterious dispensations of Providence."


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Religion probably had its start around the camp fire in response to questions from the children…about the sky. I.e., "Grandma: why does the sun go down at night and rise in the morning?" The result were mythical explanations without basis. Such was the power of a "God" which man invented in his own mind.



1. Chance: Good Luck and Bad Luck

86:1.1.Aside from the natural worship urge, early evolutionary religion had its roots of origin in the human experiences of chance—so-called luck, commonplace happenings. Primitive man was a food hunter. The results of hunting must ever vary, and this gives certain origin to those experiences which man interprets as good luck and bad luck. Mischance was a great factor in the lives of men and women who lived constantly on the ragged edge of a precarious and harassed existence.

86:1.2.The limited intellectual horizon of the savage so concentrates the attention upon chance that luck becomes a constant factor in his life. Primitive Urantians struggled for existence, not for a standard of living; they lived lives of peril in which chance played an important role. The constant dread of unknown and unseen calamity hung over these savages as a cloud of despair which effectively eclipsed every pleasure; they lived in constant dread of doing something that would bring bad luck. Superstitious savages always feared a run of good luck; they viewed such good fortune as a certain harbinger of calamity.

86:1.3.This ever-present dread of bad luck was paralyzing. Why work hard and reap bad luck—nothing for something—when one might drift along and encounter good luck—something for nothing? Unthinking men forget good luck—take it for granted—but they painfully remember bad luck.

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Daily Hukamnama From Sri Darbar Sahib, Amritsar

This thread displays the Daily Hukamnama from Sri Darbar Sahib, Amritsar

The word hukam means, decree, order, command, or sanction.

Guru Nanak wrote:

” Hukam manae sirdaar dar deebaanee-ai ||

One who respects the Hukam of the Lord’s Command is honored and respected in the Court of the Lord.” SGGS||142

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O mind, you have no faith, and you have not embraced love for the Celestial Lord. You do not enjoy the sublime taste of the Shabad — what Praises of the Lord will you stubborn-mindedly sing? O Nanak, one’s coming into the world is approved, if, as Gurmukh, he merges into the True Lord. || 1 || THIRD MEHL: The fool does not understand his own self; he annoys others with his speech. His underlying nature does not leave him; separated from the Lord, he is beaten. He has not changed and reformed himself in Fear of the True Guru, so that he might merge in the lap of God. Night and day, his doubts never stop; without the Word of the Shabad, he suffers in pain. Sexual desire, anger and greed are very powerful within; he passes his life constantly entangled in worldly affairs. His feet, hands, eyes and ears are exhausted; his days are numbered, and death is approaching. The True Name does not seem sweet to him — the Name by which the nine treasures are obtained. But if he remains dead while yet alive, then by so dying, he truly lives; thus, he attains liberation. But if he is not blessed with such pre-destined karma, then without this karma, what can he obtain? Meditate on the Word of the Guru’s Shabad, you fool; through the Shabad, you shall obtain salvation and wisdom. O Nanak, he alone finds the True Guru, who eradicates self-conceit from within. || 2 || PAUREE: One whose consciousness is filled with my Lord and Master — why should he feel anxious about anything? The Lord is the Giver of peace, the Lord of all things; why would we turn our faces away from His meditation, for a moment, even for an instant? One who meditates on the Lord obtains all pleasures and comforts; let’s go, each and every day, to sit in the Society of the Saints. All the pain, hunger and disease of the Lord’s servant are eradicated; the bonds of all the humble beings are torn away. By the Lord’s Grace, one becomes the Lord’s devotee; beholding the face of the Lord’s humble devotee, the whole world is saved and carried across. || 4 ||




O Enticing Lord, I cannot sleep; I sigh. I am adorned with necklaces, gowns, ornaments and make-up. I am sad, sad and depressed. When will You come home? || 1 || Pause || I seek the Sanctuary of the happy soul-brides; I place my head upon their feet. Unite me with my Beloved. When will He come to my home? || 1 || Listen, my companions: tell me how to meet Him. Eradicate all egotism, and then you shall find your Beloved Lord within the home of your heart. Then, in delight, you shall sing the songs of joy and praise. Meditate on the Lord, the embodiment of bliss. O Nanak, I came to the Lord’s Door, and then, I found my Beloved. || 2 || The Enticing Lord has revealed His form to me, and now, sleep seems sweet to me. My thirst is totally quenched, and now, I am absorbed in celestial bliss. How sweet is the story of my Husband Lord. I have found my Beloved, Enticing Lord. || Second Pause || 1 || 128 ||


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The body-bride is very beautiful; she dwells with her Husband Lord. She becomes the happy soul-bride of her True Husband Lord, contemplating the Word of the Guru’s Shabad. The Lord’s devotee is forever attuned to the Lord’s Love; her ego is burnt away from within. || 1 || Waaho! Waaho! Blessed, blessed is the Word of the Perfect Guru’s Bani. It wells up and springs forth from the Perfect Guru, and merges into Truth. || 1 || Pause || Everything is within the Lord — the continents, worlds and nether regions. The Life of the World, the Great Giver, dwells within the body; He is the Cherisher of all. The body-bride is eternally beautiful; the Gurmukh contemplates the Naam. || 2 || The Lord Himself dwells within the body; He is invisible and cannot be seen. The foolish self-willed manmukh does not understand; he goes out searching for the Lord externally. One who serves the True Guru is always at peace; the True Guru has shown me the Invisible Lord. || 3 || Within the body there are jewels and precious treasures, the over-flowing treasure of devotion. Within this body are the nine continents of the earth, its markets, cities and streets. Within this body are the nine treasures of the Naam; contemplating the Word of the Guru’s Shabad, it is obtained. || 4 || Within the body, the Lord estimates the weight; He Himself is the weigher. This mind is the jewel, the gem, the diamond; it is absolutely priceless. The Naam, the Name of the Lord, cannot be purchased at any price; the Naam is obtained by contemplating the Guru. || 5 || One who becomes Gurmukh searches this body; all others just wander around in confusion. That humble being alone obtains it, unto whom the Lord bestows it. What other clever tricks can anyone try? Within the body, the Fear of God and Love for Him abides; by Guru’s Grace, they are obtained. || 6 || Within the body, are Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva, from whom the whole world emanated. The True Lord has staged and contrived His own play; the expanse of the Universe comes and goes. The Perfect True Guru Himself has made it clear, that emancipation comes through the True Name. || 7 || That body, which serves the True Guru, is embellished by the True Lord Himself. Without the Name, the mortal finds no place of rest in the Court of the Lord; he shall be tortured by the Messenger of Death. O Nanak, true glory is bestowed, when the Lord showers His Mercy. || 8 || 2 ||



God covers the many shortcomings of His slaves. Granting His Mercy, God makes them His own. || 1 || You emancipate Your humble servant, and rescue him from the noose of the world, which is just a dream. || 1 || Pause || Even huge mountains of sin and corruption are removed in an instant by the Merciful Lord. || 2 || Sorrow, disease and the most terrible calamities are removed by meditating on the Naam, the Name of the Lord. || 3 || Bestowing His Glance of Grace, He attaches us to the hem of His robe. Grasping the Lord’s Feet, O Nanak, we enter His Sanctuary. || 4 || 22 || 28 ||



The Merciful Lord is the Savior of the Saints; their only support is to sing the Kirtan of the Lord’s Praises. One becomes immaculate and pure, by associating with the Saints, O Nanak, and taking the Protection of the Transcendent Lord. || 1 || The burning of the heart is not dispelled at all, by sandalwood paste, the moon, or the cold season. It only becomes cool, O Nanak, by chanting the Name of the Lord. || 2 || PAUREE: Through the Protection and Support of the Lord’s lotus feet, all beings are saved. Hearing of the Glory of the Lord of the Universe, the mind becomes fearless. Nothing at all is lacking, when one gathers the wealth of the Naam. The Society of the Saints is obtained, by very good deeds. Twenty-four hours a day, meditate on the Lord, and listen continually to the Lord’s Praises. || 17 ||

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What is the correct form for prayer?

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There is no right way to pray. You can pray wanking off in a tub of wax



Spontaneous prayers from the heart


If you would engage in effective praying, you should bear in mind the laws of prevailing petitions:

1. You must qualify as a potent prayer by sincerely and courageously facing the problems of universe reality. You must possess cosmic stamina.

2. You must have honestly exhausted the human capacity for human adjustment. You must have been industrious.

3. You must surrender every wish of mind and every craving of soul to the transforming embrace of spiritual growth. You must have experienced an enhancement of meanings and an elevation of values.

4. You must make a wholehearted choice of the divine will. You must obliterate the dead center of indecision.

5. You not only recognize the Father's will and choose to do it, but you have effected an unqualified consecration, and a dynamic dedication, to the actual doing of the Father's will.

6. Your prayer will be directed exclusively for divine wisdom to solve the specific human problems encountered in the Paradise ascension—the attainment of divine perfection.

7. And you must have faith—living faith.


144:2.2 “Prayer is entirely a personal and spontaneous expression of the attitude of the soul toward the spirit; prayer should be the communion of sonship and the expression of fellowship. Prayer, when indited by the spirit, leads to co-operative spiritual progress. The ideal prayer is a form of spiritual communion which leads to intelligent worship. True praying is the sincere attitude of reaching heavenward for the attainment of your ideals.

144:2.3 “Prayer is the breath of the soul and should lead you to be persistent in your attempt to ascertain the Father's will. If any one of you has a neighbor, and you go to him at midnight and say: `Friend, lend me three loaves, for a friend of mine on a journey has come to see me, and I have nothing to set before him'; and if your neighbor answers, `Trouble me not, for the door is now shut and the children and I are in bed; therefore I cannot rise and give you bread,' you will persist, explaining that your friend hungers, and that you have no food to offer him. I say to you, though your neighbor will not rise and give you bread because he is your friend, yet because of your importunity he will get up and give you as many loaves as you need. If, then, persistence will win favors even from mortal man, how much more will your persistence in the spirit win the bread of life for you from the willing hands of the Father in heaven. Again I say to you: Ask and it shall be given you; seek and you shall find; knock and it shall be opened to you. For every one who asks receives; he who seeks finds; and to him who knocks the door of salvation will be opened.

144:2.4 “Which of you who is a father, if his son asks unwisely, would hesitate to give in accordance with parental wisdom rather than in the terms of the son's faulty petition? If the child needs a loaf, will you give him a stone just because he unwisely asks for it? If your son needs a fish, will you give him a watersnake just because it may chance to come up in the net with the fish and the child foolishly asks for the serpent? If you, then, being mortal and finite, know how to answer prayer and give good and appropriate gifts to your children, how much more shall your heavenly Father give the spirit and many additional blessings to those who ask him? Men ought always to pray and not become discouraged.

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Now, let me tell you what the catalyst is - it's you! Do you believe it or not? "Kryon, I want to believe it, I want to believe it!" Good! Then why don't you show it? Many of you are going to leave here the same, but others are going to have a bigger light. This is the real issue. How married are you to the status quo and the idea that it can never change?

That's the message of Kryon. Oh, there will be more, but for now, dear ones, don't be afraid of the love of God. You are an ancient culture that exposed the one God to the planet. Now expose what the one God can do in this new energy!

Old souls all over the planet are listening to this. It's the same message for them. I say to them, that's why you're here. That's why you're here. I've seen it before. Collectively, you control the speed of this shift. A very few of you can make a great change with what you do personally with yourself right now.

What a beautiful message this is! Doesn't it feel like it has come from the one God? With all that you know, and with all that your lineage tells you, feel it! God shines on humanity right now with a light that was never there before, because you're ready and worthy to go forward into peace.

Think of these things.

And so it is.





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Greetings, dear ones, I Am Kryon of Magnetic Service. This will be a different kind of channelling. It is not a standard message, but instead it is the presentations of three future potentials that you may indeed see. This meeting is being put on and hosted by what is called a "futurist". A futurist is one who dedicates his/her time in trying to predict coming systems in government, economics and potential inventions that might change a culture's future. This then allows humanity to prepare for things in a benevolent way when it happens. That is a futurist. So in honor of the futurist, I would like to paint a picture of three things that you might expect in your future.

One of the questions presented earlier today in the seminar was about electronics and machines and about the future of what you call "artificial intelligence". Where is it going? Is there danger to Human Beings because of it? Is humanity to go into a dark hole of its own creation because it made machines that turned against it? Is it going to do the kinds of things your science fiction movies have presented?

Here is the answer: "You don't know what you don't know." What that means is that your future is not predictable from anything you've experienced in the past. The evolution of circuitry, of artificial intelligence, of technology itself for the last 50 years will not apply to the next 50. The logic of the past presses on you to predict the future, but you can't. All of your fear of future artificial intelligence is based on your expectation that you will create machines that will have the same dysfunctional consciousness of fear, greed, hate and war called Human nature. It's really funny to consider that you are actually afraid you won't be able to control yourselves, and you will create a "thinking machine" that will have the very same broken consciousness you have. Systemic consciousness change is coming.


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Tengri, the religion of the Mongols, is a heaven worship cult. Tengri, is the supreme God, he has a creator son, named Bai-Ulgan who is second only to Tengri.

If this sounds reminiscent of Christ, it should.

Below is the universe origins


There are many variations of the creation story, Tengriists believe these to be the main two:

In the beginning Tengri created Kishi, a companion, and together they flew about above the primordial deep. Kishi, however, aspire to fly higher than his creator and in his arrogance lost the power to fly, as a result he fell into the depths of the sea. From the deep he called to Tengri to save him whereupon Tengri caused rocks and earth to rise from the waters to create the primal mound of creation and earth to stand upon, from which he caused the Cosmic Tree (the tree of life) to grow. From the branches of this tree the people of the world and lesser gods emerged. He called forth (the personification of) Evil which he then caused to be guarded by dogs and snakes. It is said that in time Tengri and the Evil One will battle for the control of creation. Yer (Earth-Spirit) and Tengri existed in harmony and complemented each other. Yer gave man a material shell, but his soul (Kut) was given at birth by Tengri, who took it back after death. Tengri determines the path of one’s soul and longevity and rewards and punishes. Khagan ascended the throne as the son of Tengri, for it was Tengri who had given Khagan to his people and it was he who punished those who turned against their ruler. A man became Khagan, and lived under Tengri’s protection only for as long as he himself lived by Tengri’s laws.

Tengri is a pure, white goose that flies constantly over an endless expanse of water, which represents time. Beneath this water, Ak Ana ("White Mother") calls out to him saying "Create". To overcome his loneliness, Tengri creates Er Kishi, who is not as pure or as white as Tengri and together they set up the world. Er Kishi becomes a demonic character and strives to mislead people and draw them into its darkness. Tengri assumes the name Tengri Ülgen and withdraws into Heaven from which he tries to provide pePost too long. Click here to view the full text.




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>A symbol used by Tengrists, representing the structure of the universe, god Tengri, the roof opening of a yurt, and a shaman's drum.

>Example Orkhon inscription reading RTL :T²NGR²I — transliteration :/teŋri/ — transcription :teñri — record with modern Turkic alphabet :the skygod or the eternal blue sky indicating the highest god — ancient mean

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Thoughts, ideas, feelings on this subject?

Even what became Satan was referred to as "the most cunning of the beats of the field".

How would this effect society of it were the common translation instead of a talking snake?



Why do racists eroticize black people so often?

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110:7.4.Subsequent to mortal fusion the Adjusters share your destiny and experience; they are you. After the fusion of the immortal morontia soul and the associated Adjuster, all of the experience and all of the values of the one eventually become the possession of the other, so that the two are actually one entity. In a certain sense, this new being is of the eternal past as well as for the eternal future. All that was once human in the surviving soul and all that is experientially divine in the Adjuster now become the actual possession of the new and ever-ascending universe personality. But on each universe level the Adjuster can endow the new creature only with those attributes which are meaningful and of value on that level. An absolute oneness with the divine Monitor, a complete exhaustion of the endowment of an Adjuster, can only be achieved in eternity subsequent to the final attainment of the Universal Father, the Father of spirits, ever the source of these divine gifts.

110:7.5.When the evolving soul and the divine Adjuster are finally and eternally fused, each gains all of the experiencible qualities of the other. This co-ordinate personality possesses all of the experiential memory of survival once held by the ancestral mortal mind and then resident in the morontia soul, and in addition thereto this potential finaliter embraces all the experiential memory of the Adjuster throughout the mortal indwellings of all time. But it will require an eternity of the future for an Adjuster ever completely to endow the personality partnership with the meanings and values which the divine Monitor carries forward from the eternity of the past.

110:7.6.But with the vast majority of Urantians the Adjuster must patiently await the arrival of death deliverance; must await the liberation of the emerging soul from the well-nigh complete domination of the energy patterns and chemical forces inherent in your material order of existence. The chief difficulty you experience in contacting with your Adjusters consists in this very inherent material nature. So few mortals are real thinkers; you do not spiritually develop and discipline your minds to the point of favorable liaison with the divine Adjusters. The ear of the human mind is almost deaf to the spiritual pleas which the Adjuster translates from the manifold messages of the universal broadcasts of love proceeding from the Father of Post too long. Click here to view the full text.


Let's do it.


Remember, the influence of a Thought Adjuster is for the most part, though not wholly, a superconscious experience.

110:5.6 In varying degrees and increasingly as you ascend the psychic circles, sometimes directly, but more often indirectly, you do communicate with your Adjusters. But it is dangerous to entertain the idea that every new concept originating in the human mind is the dictation of the Adjuster. More often, in beings of your order, that which you accept as the Adjuster’s voice is in reality the emanation of your own intellect. This is dangerous ground, and every human being must settle these problems for himself in accordance with his natural human wisdom and superhuman insight.


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0:5.5.The Universal Father is the secret of the reality of personality, the bestowal of personality, and the destiny of personality. The Eternal Son is the absolute personality, the secret of spiritual energy, morontia spirits, and perfected spirits. The Conjoint Actor is the spirit-mind personality, the source of intelligence, reason, and the universal mind. But the Isle of Paradise is nonpersonal and extraspiritual, being the essence of the universal body, the source and center of physical matter, and the absolute master pattern of universal material reality.

0:5.6.These qualities of universal reality are manifest in Urantian human experience on the following levels:

0:5.7.1. Body. The material or physical organism of man. The living electrochemical mechanism of animal nature and origin.

0:5.8.2. Mind. The thinking, perceiving, and feeling mechanism of the human organism. The total conscious and unconscious experience. The intelligence associated with the emotional life reaching upward through worship and wisdom to the spirit level.

0:5.9.3. Spirit. The divine spirit that indwells the mind of man—the Thought Adjuster. This immortal spirit is prepersonal—not a personality, though destined to become a part of the personality of the surviving mortal creature.

0:5.10.4. Soul. The soul of man is an experiential acquirement. As a mortal creature chooses to "do the will of the Father in heaven," so the indwelling spirit becomes the father of a new reality in human experience. The mortal and material mind is the mother of this same emerging reality. The substance of this new reality is neither material nor spiritual—it is morontial. This is the emerging and immortal soul which is destined to survive mortal death and begin the Paradise ascension.

0:5.11.Personality. The personality of mortal man is neither body, mind, nor spirit; neither is it the soul. Personality is the one changeless reality in an otherwise ever-changing creature experience; and it unifies all other associated factors of individuality. The personality is the unique bestowal which the Universal Father makes upon the living and associated energies of matter, mind, and spirit, and which survives with the survival of the morontial soul.

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40:5.19 As to the chances of mortal survival, let it be made forever clear: All souls of every possible phase of mortal existence will survive provided they manifest willingness to co-operate with their indwelling Adjusters and exhibit a desire to find God and to attain divine perfection, even though these desires be but the first faint flickers of the primitive comprehension of that “true light which lights every man who comes into the world.”

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