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4719cb No.562

From what I gather the god of the Abrahamic religions expects us to believe and follow him or receive eternal suffering. So why doesn't he just show himself? Considering he's omnipotent and all he could easily teleport himself in some recognizable form and be like "Hey I'm God follow me or burn in hell". What gives Abrahamics of /rel?

6d2ba3 No.563

>>562

>Considering he's omnipotent and all he could easily teleport himself in some recognizable form and be like "Hey I'm God follow me or burn in hell"

That would be a vulgar display of power. It would make faith pointless, and it would be no fun at all.


95561a No.566

God reveals Himself to us in much more profound and spiritual ways. For example, if we pray to Him, we feel his presence. Not only this, but man have a natural inclination to believe in God even though he cannot be seen or touched. Most believers in Jesus know this, but they have a hard time explaining it. They often say they simply believe, but cannot explain why. So this is how God approaches us.

Now, to question this means of knowledge is a very "eurocentric" thing to do. Because all other cultures permit using this as a way to come to know God. Only modern atheists have tried to dispute this.

But the reason why he doesn't physically reveal Himself is because it wouldn't prove the situation on earth as it exists now. We would no longer have atheists, but misotheists all hating and blaspheming God.


7b6321 No.575

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Step up to a man's fedora.


2bca40 No.590

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>>563

That makes no sense, God should only care about our free choice to love him, not our freedom to believe he exists. After all, how can we make a reasoned and informed choice about whom to love if we can't even figure out who exists?

This also totally fails to explain the misery-inducing flaws in the very design of nature itself, or the suffering of animals, and is entirely invalidated by compatibilist free will. But even if you come up with another excuse to explain away the flaws in nature's design and yet another for the suffering of animals, and illogically adopt a libertarian view of free will, you are still stuck in a quagmire of absurdity. For every argument entails that convincing evidence deprives us of free will. But there are a great many things for which we have convincing evidence. Are we to destroy that evidence, avoid it, so as to stay free? Don't you want convincing evidence before committing yourself to something? To assume we don't, to assume it is ever a good thing to believe a claim on unconvincing evidence, is to take a position on method that is wholly unlivable and inherently absurd, inverting all rationality, and divorcing faith from reason. It would mean that teachers, scientists, lawyers, are routinely committing unspeakable crimes against humanity, depriving everyone of their free will by providing convincing evidence to believe their claims.

There can be no merit in a belief that is held for bad reasons, in a loyalty that is given on uncertain knowledge of to whom you are pledging it, in a trust that is placed in something wholly unproven. And there can be no evil in telling a man what he needs to know to save himself and be happy, and proving to him, like Mr. Scrooge, that it is true. If you believe a man is obliged to prove a claim to you before believing it, then you cannot believe it is in any way wrong for a god to do so. If you believe it is a good thing for a preacher, an apologist, a missionary to give me more evidence and better reasons to believe, then you cannot believe it wrong for a god to do so. Otherwise, missionaries must be villains, and apologetics a wanton violation of man's free will. These are absurd conclusions. Therefore, this defense is absurd.


f3c753 No.592

>>562

>So why doesn't he just show himself?

He did and His name is Jesus.


fff5a4 No.596

>>592

>He did and His name is JOHN CENA


65bff3 No.625

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>>592

a thousand times this




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