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 No.2510

Just wondering what sci thinks of this

 No.2512

Well now I'm wondering how you might apply the scientific method to privilege.


 No.2514

science is based on questioning.


 No.2521

>>2510

>social science is still science

Nope. See Richard Feynman and the cargo cult of science.


 No.2530

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Related by only what OP said.

What do you guys think about this?


 No.2533

>>2512

G*Mi*M = Privilege

Where:

G = Gender level. Male = 1000; Female = 500; Transnigger-japanese-turtle = 2. etc. See Sarkixian (2000) for complete list.

Mi = Mental illness. PTSD = 1000; HJIK = 1100 etc.

M = Melanin level. Self explanatory


 No.2543

I wish trash disciplines like Women's Studies would just be in their own university. They are literally parasites on the prestige of institutions built by STEMlords working for centuries to create actual science.

>getting access to brilliant students who only came to that school because they want the shiny STEM degree and probably don't even want to take the compulsory SJW class

>getting salaries from money paid by same students who only wanted the STEM education

>being supported by money university takes out of grants brought in by STEM profs

>benefitting from endowments which came from donations made due to the STEM achievements of the university

If SJWs want to have their own pretend science, fine, we can't stop 'em. But they should get their own grants, attract their own students, build their own careers and create their own reputations.

Art and music schools already do it, it works out great for everyone. What a clusterfuck would it be if you went to MIT for EEng and had to take mandatory Singing classes? What if you were Prof of EEng and MIT took part of your grant and paid same singing instructor, who then spent all her time giving speeches about how singing is just as valid as EEng?

Universities are just job training at this point anyway. Just break them up into separate disciplines and be done with it.


 No.2548

>>2543

We could probably have 2-3 year bachelors programs if we didn't have to have all the fluff.


 No.2550

>>2548

The "fluff" is important. It shapes how you understand and think about science.

t. postmodernity


 No.2555

>>2550

>think about science

Too bad 99% of undergrads will never become scientists and will not want or need to think about science during their entire lives in corporate America.


 No.2564

>>2550

>understand and think about science

That's a given considering that many STEM autists probably have thought out the implications of our knowledge or how we acquire our knowledge.


 No.2570

>>2548

Or we could have the current 4 year ones actually be worth a damn again.


 No.2572

>>2510

The difference is that there is no evidence that gender studies academics actually know anything.

Chemists can actually predict and explain the behaviour of compounds, make compounds, design chemical processes.

Gender Studies professors can, in contrast: Whine about stuff.


 No.2589

>>2510

The easiest refutation of this is prediction: chemists are able to PREDICT outcomes from their models. Feminist models DON"T PREDICT OUTCOMES.

>>2530

I'm on the fence about this. I skimmed the intro, so this is just a first impression: math as an art. Yes, but… children need to be able to DO MATH to be productive adults. They need to be able to balance a budget. They need to be able to determine how much their groceries will cost.


 No.2591

>>2510

The problem with social science is it actually doesn't have a single foundation, that I'm aware of.

Natural Sciences are required to describe reality. Social science has the problem of describing a man-made thing.

That's not completely unheard of, of course, for example Computer science exhaustively studies something man-made.

But still computer science ultimately boils down to solid facts and whether something is or is not possible.

As far as I know you can't say the same thing about social science, there is nothing fundamental.

If you boil a social issue down to something fundamental what you are left with is almost always a question of morals and ethics, which is subjective.

At best I think "social science" could be an umbrella term describing studies of various "social systems" which are themselves defined based on rigid and clearly defined "social axioms" that allow people to derive results. Different systems may yield contradictory results, but are internally consistent.

THEN I would take it seriously as a science. But we don't have that do we? We just have people calling something a "science" based on an ill defined system that will inevitably lead to contradictions.


 No.2592

>>2589

I think it is true that one needs an understanding of the fundamentals of mathematics to appreciate it, but it doesn't need to be 7 years of worksheets and pointless tests. The author points out shortly after the introduction that Literature classes are able to teach vocabulary while studying great works. Primary and secondary math courses are the equivalent of courses entirely about vocabulary.


 No.2639

>>2591

>Computer science exhaustively studies something man-made.

Not necessarily. You could say that all CS is just a branch of math, and the fact that we happen to be able to build Turing-compatible machines ourselves does not change the fact that CS deals with the behaviors of abstract mathematical constructs (which is really true of all science).

Also, we have a lot of "sciences" like medical science (I dunno if you count other men as man-made), engineering science, business/management science and so on. These all focus on man-made things as much as social science, but are far less cancerous and can be very scientific and objective. I hesitate to say political science, since it always seemed like bullshit, but it seems like it's not really more SJW subverted than economics. There are definitely some legit polsci theories, for instance mathematical analysis of voting systems.

You can come up with a lot of fundamentals for social science, especially if you include economics in social science. But even otherwise, in Psychology and Sociology there are a lot of basic theories (not the current SJW shit but older, apolitical stuff) that have a decent number of fundamentals. After all, all social science ultimately hinges on understanding emergent systems created by humans, and even individual humans are very complex (and in turn themselves heavily influenced by the systems they grew up in, further complicating matters). So obviously it's not an easy task, but the thing that is studied (individual humans or groups of them) is a concrete thing that exists in nature and there is nothing wrong with trying to understand it.

I think the real problem is that somehow all these cancerous Marxists, communists, feminists and SJW ended up deciding to study psychology, sociology, philosophy, history and economics. Departments became saturated with SJW, at which point you were allowed to engage in any old faggotry so long as it was SJW-aligned, and even legitimate work was attacked if it was counter to SJW ideology.

I have no idea why they chose the social sciences specifically, but I think it could have easily been another cluster of fields. They could have all decided to obsess over chemistry instead, and today we would have glorious positivist psychology and sociology actually improving societal organization, while chemistry never progressed past WW1 level stuff because the SJWs shit it up to the point where no useful research gets done and all they do is bitch about which element is more privileged and whether we should abolish the cis-isomer scum and increase trans-fat representation in our livers.

Maybe it's because Marx framed his work as an analysis of history, or maybe it's because women are better at fussing over feelings and gossip which made psychology and sociology attractive to them (obviously just being a wishy washy gossip queen isn't enough to be a good psychologist, but it can be an advantage). Either way, it's not the field's fault: You could have a bunch of decent, non-faggoty men working in psych or soc and doing perfectly non-cancerous research that expands human understanding and benefits society. Indeed, this was what happened in the early days of these fields, before the faggots, legbeards, cucks and the like flooded in and took over.


 No.2640

>>2639

Also, I'll add: The real problem with social science isn't that their science is somehow "wrong". Nothing that comes out of the scientific method should be wrong or bad, just by the nature of that which we call the scientific method.

But most social science today produces no science. It is prescriptive, not descriptive: In other words, it is a whole field full of people trying to tell everyone what to do. None of it is rooted in science or evidence, but literally in feelings (eg. "we should have affirmative action because I feel bad for all those poor dumb blacks not getting into Harvard" as opposed to something like "we have tried every possible white/black ratio, and found that scientific output is highest when X% of scientists are women, therefore gender quotas should be implemented accordingly if maximum scientific output is desired" which is much more rational, assuming evidence supported it). Even when they seem descriptive, it's actually prescription disguised as description (glass ceiling, rape on campus, muh white privilege, etc) - data gathered by someone with a political stake a priori in having it support a certain view is tainted from the start.

In serious sciences, we call this a conflict of interest, and treat it seriously. For instance, even if a study says smoking doesn't cause cancer, it's foolish to trust it if the author works for Acme Tobacco Products Co. Why don't you ever see in social science "CoI: This study which claims women are discriminated against in science is a woman in science, and would personally benefit from programs created to counter this alleged discrimination." or "CoI: This study that claims wealthy people are more evil but the author is a card-carrying communist and would benefit from creating hostility towards the upper classes and encouraging support for CPUSA."? Because if we did, 99% of social science papers would be exposed as untrustworthy trash, and many of these partisan ideologues posing as scientists (in fact, Lysenkoism in USSR is a perfect example of what biology would look like if it was as SJW as sociology) would have to look for a new job.

So maybe that's the real problem with the social sciences: Conflict of Interest and politics is allowed to run wild in the field since appropriate safeguards have not been adopted by the culture, and now all legitimate research has been overshadowed by "research" that shamelessly has ulterior motives.


 No.2641

>>2640

>we have tried every possible white/black ratio, and found that scientific output is highest when X% of scientists are women

Should have said

>we have tried every possible male/female ratio, and found that scientific output is highest when X% of scientists are women


 No.2693

>>2533

>melanin level 0 (white) ergo privilege is 0

>ergo whites have no privilege

wat do?


 No.2694

>>2543

>>2548

YES THIS

>>2550

>SJW detected

go fuck yourself


 No.2700

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>>2543

Just as women's sport rightly belongs in the special olympics, so women's studies belongs with fields like astrology, palm reading, deconstruction,

literary 'theory' etc.


 No.2706

>>2693

maybe he should have specified inverse melanin level.


 No.2719

>>2706

so a negative privilege ?


 No.2723

>>2719

No where >>2533 said"G*Mi*M = Privilege"

It should be (G*Mi)/M = Privilege to be mathematically correct on describing their bullshit


 No.2727

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>>2723

You ain't tricking me into dividing by 0


 No.2728

>>2727

I had windows 8, and my desktop crashed because it divided by zero.


 No.2778

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>social science is still science

Between this and that "stop calling me not a real programmer" bullshit the other day I'm beginning to think feminists actually really do want to be scientists and programmers but simply lack the ability.


 No.2779

>>2778

Well tbh social science IS real science.

But I sincerely hope you base your social science off game theory and neuroscience.


 No.2792

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>>2779

>Well tbh social science IS real science.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

>But I sincerely hope you base your social science off game theory and neuroscience

wat?


 No.2796

>>2779

>>2792

he means the "social science" that gets taught in gender studies is mostly wishful thinking, but there are branches of psychology that are totally legit versions of social science.


 No.2799

>>2796

True. Social science doesn't have to be retarded - for instance up to the 60s most of it was fine (won't deny that there were SJW tards even back then).

It's just that in current progressive West, SJWs have completely subverted the humanities. It's similar to how some parts of open source software are completely SJW infested, but that doesn't mean OSS is worthless.

Scientific method can be applied to anything, including people. Partisan ideologues are blocking it in some domains? Too bad, but it will all come crashing down soon anyway. If marxism was a productive, sustainable ideology we wouldn't consider it so shit in the first place.


 No.2809

>>2799

Marxism has fucking nothing to do with anything. Critical theory is in fact practically the complete opposite of it.


 No.2831

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This is what social science and feminism has given the world . FFS they're not even trying to be subtle anymore


 No.3159

*OFFICIAL SOCIAL SCIENCE TIER LIST*

cognitive science > economics > sociology > political science > all

not social science: women's studies


 No.3174

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>>2809

This.

Marxism holds that the fundamental unit of societal organization, social conflict and identity is class. It has long seen identity politics as almost totally a device of class rule, see the account of deliberate efforts to frustrate the inherent identity of interest and cooperation between black slaves and poor whites in British colonial America in Zinn's Peoples History as a ready example. Anti-immigrant and anti-foreign attitudes similarly have the effect of redirecting working-class anger over poor compensation outwards towards others who are subject to the same sort of material "exploitation." Nationalism especially represents a top-down effort to alienate working classes of different geographical locations, especially in the wars Marxist thought sees as reflections of the contradictions of global capitalism. This alienation often proceeds by bestowing special benefits on certain groups as means of forestalling/averting revolution, so privilege can be said to exist in an exceedingly minor sense, as an artifact and largely unintentional side-effect of the actual oppression.

Have you ever heard an SJW talk about class? The idea that powerholders are white/male/straight/cis implies all white hetero cis males are powerholders has done an excellent job of safely redirecting the anger of historically disadvantaged groups away from class antagonisms. I'd think any Marxist worth his salt would say intersectionalist critical theory is a clear "cultural warfare" device of bourgeois class rule, fulfilling precisely the classical role of religion in society.


 No.3175

>>3174

For one, I'm gay and every time I see "straight privilege is knowing public figures held up for admiration will almost certainly share your sexuality or be assumed to" (because the straight people in power use that power to benefit straight people just because, not because 90% of people are straight or anything) complete with "almost certainly" weasel words I want to vomit. For another, I'm aspie as fuck, and when people try telling me my social failures are due to "ableism," whereby powerholders aren't socially retarded and go miles out of their way to improve life for the non socially retarded at the expense of people like me I just shake my head.

None of the claims by intersectional critical theory pass the smell test for plausibility. They have no evidence and even less predictive capability.More broadly, look at postmodernist attacks on science in the past 10-30 yrs


 No.3176

>>3174

>Marxism holds that the fundamental unit of societal organization, social conflict and identity is class.

Which is why it attacks the family structure, as it's actually the family and it's extensions (clan) that are the core social units in most societies.


 No.3177

>>2723

I don't think that works either. Melanin level 0 isn't white, it's albino. Albinos are disabled, which means they number among the less privileged, but your formula would assign them infinite privilege.


 No.3182

i can say ionic bonding is not real, if i come up with a better theory that can not be debunked. science is based on questioning. if i cant disagree with a womens studies prosfessor and be taken seriously, even if she cant debunk whatever my opinion is, then its clearly not science.

(not that womens studies could be considered science in the first place, its clearly not.)


 No.3185

>>3182

>its clearly not

Care to elaborate? How is studying female psychology and sociology and explaining how they interact with society as a whole through history not science?

>you can't conduct an experiment!

This would mean that astronomy and astrophysics aren't science either, as you can't conduct an experiment, just make observations.


 No.3188

>>3185

But anon, astronomy isn't a science. It's basically mapmaking in space.

"you can conduct experiments" is a necessary (but not sufficient; you also need the experiments to be replicable) condition for something to be a science.


 No.3189

>>3188

How about astrophysics then?


 No.3196

>science

>social "science"

pick one


 No.3204

The problem is that academics in the humanities still think that there is absolute truth. In the sciences, we do not. Only if you think there is such a thing as a knowable Truth do you get upset when people disagree with you.

Also, the analytical methods used within the humanities are not the same as in the sciences. "Social science" is a label, a buzzword, not a definition of rigor. It is weak language, which riddles humanities research.


 No.3212

The distinction between social science and hard science is totally meaningless. Both are dominated by the academic community, which is an absolute shit community. They're all a bunch of egotistical, autistic freaks who think they know everything and that everyone else is wrong.

If you put forward a clear and correct argument for something game-changing, like the non-existence of ionic bonding, nobody would publish you and all of the so-called "experts" would dismiss you immediately as a crackpot – not because you're wrong, but because if you're right you'd make the "experts" look dumb. Your best hope is that someone discovers your work decades after your death, long after nobody cares about it anymore. It's happened before, just look at the history of plate tectonics. The current clusterfucks over things like climate change and whether tobacco causes cancer are more modern examples.

It doesn't matter what field you're in; if you want your ideas to get traction in any kind of science, hard or otherwise, your message has to be exactly what the academics want to hear. If it's not, you get ignored. That goes equally for both the non-existence of ionic bonding and the non-existence of male privilege.


 No.3231

>>3212

>for something game-changing, like the non-existence of ionic bonding, nobody would publish you and all of the so-called "experts" would dismiss you immediately as a crackpot

Naive undergrad detected.

If you found out that ionic bonds don't exist (how you would do that I don't know, since they clearly exist), and you actually did the experiments to prove it and didn't just make a timecube-tier website, nobody's gonna call you a crackpot. Even if like you say there was some vast conspiracy, you could simply not publish it, and instead build some invention that is only possible if they don't exist. Since it's so game changing, surely there's gotta be a new trick you can come up with using the new information, right?

It's really the same basic principle of disregarding non-experts. You would ask a computer scientist what's the best algorithm to do X, and you would ask a doctor what to do about your foot infection. You wouldn't go to a computer scientist and ask about the infection, that's retarded, it's not his specialty. For whatever reason, there's now a bunch of assholes in academia who think they get to decide what society should be like. Since they don't have any special qualifications to decide that, nobody should take them seriously, but the masses still perpetuate this retarded meme of "scientists are super smart and always know what's right, even if it's outside their expertise", so they believe them. It all started with autistic physicists suddenly deciding they know better than everyone that God doesn't exist, and wanting to teach philosophy and theology to actual philosopher and theologians (note that many famous physicists in 50s and before, even though they knew way more physics than a typical freshman today, had no problem believing God exists, and those that didn't believe it were fine with people who did). Atheists latched on to it because they were desperate from some official recognition, and that gave rise to the idea that scientists should be authorities on everything, even things outside their scientific area.

There's only a few select cups of koolaid that you have to drink in science, or at least not balk at when others offer it: Mostly realities of modern politics like anti-racism, feminism, gun control, climate change and a few other big liberal issues. It's a survival strategy more than anything: Science is publicly funded, and the public is largely in favor of these things, so you can't have the scientific establishment saying the public is a bunch of idiots and then coming back and asking them for money. It'll trigger massive protests and defunding of science, and there's already too little funding.

But all of these things you're not allowed to say are very predictable: You can skim the front page of MSNBC for things they say are bad, and you'll easily get a complete list of scientist kool aid flavors. Outside of these, nobody cares if you want to challenge dogma, on the contrary people love it because it's exciting and fun (unless you turn out to be some nonsensical retard in which case everyone will be yelling "your paper is shit and our journal club wants their 30 minutes back!"). Even on the social dogma, while a lot of scientists actually believe it, and there's even a few people who aren't even scientists, but they're allowed to roleplay as scientists because they are hardcore liberals and it looks good to support hardcore liberals, but there's also tons of scientists who realize it's bullshit. I would say at least a third and maybe up to two thirds of scientists realize modern liberalism is retarded (they may still be against things like racism, but they certainly won't support shit like BLM) but they cynically pretend otherwise because they don't want to deal with constant problems finding a job. You'll never hear them say it, because they're not stupid and realize that if word gets out they're in trouble, so unless you are really close friends and they trust you or they have nothing to lose anyway (eg. retired tenured professor) they will never admit it.

>The distinction between social science and hard science is totally meaningless.

Not at all. In social science it's considered acceptable to inject your liberalism into all the scientific material you write. In the hard sciences, you're expected to focus on the facts and save politics for your personal blog. It helps that in the hard sciences, facts rarely challenge liberal dogma (again, it's very important not to challenge it because you might lose your job or your funding).


 No.3232

>>3231

>"scientists are super smart and always know what's right, even if it's outside their expertise"

The deeper problem here is people who don't understand the difference between someone being smart and agreeing with them (because an immature person assumes they are always right themselves, so anyone who disagrees has to be doing so because of stupidity). A lot of people are like this, if you go to them and just say say a bunch of political opinions that are the same as them, they'll immediately say you're very smart, and vice versa. You can see the same thing even here on 8chan: Go to a board like /pol/ and say you don't hate Jews, there will be many anons that call you an idiot. Although at least here a few others will actually discuss it with you.

In reality, being smart has nothing to do with agreeing with people. It has to do with being good at solving problems. Just because you found a solution that hurts someone's feelings doesn't mean you're not smart (you still solved it), unless you want to make an argument like "well you should have known to keep it to yourself since you knew it would start a shitstorm". But first of all that's shitty because it violates freedom of expression, and besides it's just a very Machiavellian definition of intelligence to begin with. Anyhow, a person can be intelligent at science and unintelligent at predicting emotional responses, so it's retarded to require that all scientists be both. But unfortunately most people are retards, and This Is Why We Can't Have Nice Things.


 No.3252

>>2640

Psychology and Sociology studies are conducted and peer reviewed in a perfectly empirical way, the problem is that raw data from this research can be intrepreted in a number of different ways and is filtered through the heavy biases of SJW researchers, and those researchers themselves are subject to as much human error, failure, prejudice, and imperfection as anyone else, the fact that an imperfect human is judging and analyzing another imperfect human is the biggest inherent flaw in any psychoanalysis. In the Stanford Prison experiments the researcher did not realize how authoritarian, morally compromised, and abusive he was becoming until a colleague visited him to observe his experiments. He was only concerned with observing the deteriorating behavior of the prisoners while completely blind to how his own behavior and thoughts were deteriorating as well.




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