b433f5 No.10201
The Roman Party (SPQR)'We are the Roman Party, and we stand for a strong and united Rome, a fair, just, and enlightened government, and an equal and reasoned polity for all!"[I learned] from my brother Severus, to love my kin, and to love truth, and to love justice… and from him I received the idea of a polity in which there is the same law for all, a polity administered with regard to equal rights and equal freedom of speech, and the idea of a kingly government which respects most of all the freedom of the governed; I learned from him also consistency and undeviating steadiness in my regard for philosophy; and a disposition to do good, and to give to others readily, and to cherish good hopes…"
- Marcus Aurelius,
Meditations, Chapter 1
Our home board is
>>>/roma/Current /sen/ators include Caesar and myself. For inclusion in SPQR, please ask and be willing to answer our questions regarding your politics so we might ascertain whether or not you are properly fit to represent the people and culture of Rome.
Our platform:
- We are pro-democracy in the form of the senate and a philosopher-king. Our leaders should be held to the highest of standards and should put the well-being of their people first and foremost, above all, especially their own popularity or ego. Governments should be both honest and solid enough to have an eternal, ironclad defense of the rights, laws, and peace of the people, against those elements which would pervert those laws and destroy those rights, but government must be honest before it can be strong.
- A solid and reasonable military coupled with a society based on reason and philosophy, to create an efficient infrastructure for an understanding society, for a whole and healthy culture, a new
Pax Romana for the modern age which so sorely needs it.
- We are against all forms of conspiracy and duplicity, in governance, economics, and the like; we are anti-secrecy except in matters which are of absolute necessity for the state itself.
- We stand in favor of public decency and expect citizens to hold themselves to certain reasonable standards. We are also in favor of healthy expression even of that which may be considered taboo, but only in its proper context, and not in places where it serves no purpose save for shock value.
- We are in favor of a mixed economy which is modified as needed to ensure that the economy is stable and as fair as possible. Not so much economic freedom as to allow for monopolies or borderline-traitorous multinationals, nor banks which play dice with money, but not so little economic freedom as to prevent good ideas from flourishing and being successful and accessible for the common man. We are against economic policies which lead to corporate welfare while the average citizen starves, and especially manipulation of currency so as to produce mass inflation. A rich stock market means nothing if the people cannot find means to put their skills to use for the common good, but jobs mean little if there is no freedom to research and develop and innovate for the good of mankind.
- We are in favor of a return of heroic ideals and the restoration of the human spirit of inquiry, discovery, creativity, research, industry, and above all, reason, philosophy, and beneficence, all of which has been responsible for mankind's greatest achievements. We as stoics, taoists, men and women of Rome and inheritors of the same reasoning faculty which guided our forefathers owe it to ourselves if to no one else to make use of these gifts while we are alive.
- Equality in the eyes of the law. No special treatment for nobles who break the law of the land. No special treatment for special interest groups hoping for provisions just for them unless those provisions are necessary and reasonably justified; we are neither social reactionaries nor radicals.
- We support the restoration of a monoculture in which this will flourish, not at the expense of other cultures, but for the success of our own. Let me be clear that this is cultural and not racial. It has nothing to do with inherent traits and everything to do with what a man makes of himself and his place in society.
We are the Senate and People of Rome, and we shall unite once more under the Tyrian standard! a2a07d No.10212
Ave Caesar!
bb9260 No.10217
>>10201Roma strong! Remove enslave barbarians! d6fc02 No.10220
Welcome back senator Aurelius.
I hope to be working with you in the near future.
The sons of Rome need you in threir struggle.
b433f5 No.10264
>>10212>>10217>>10220It is good to be back. Though we may have our social differences with regards to certain levels of tolerance (ex. Hadrian's taste, legality of
hetairai, basically Greece's version of Geishas, legal use of psychoactive substances like psychedelics so long as they are tools in a spiritual discipline, etc. Basically non-degenerate degeneracy.) certainly we can strive towards a revival of productive culture once more together. I consider the restoration of honesty and the human spirit to supercede any egotistical desires of mine. May our common ground flourish.
b433f5 No.10265
>>10217Cornelius, I'm afraid we may not have met before. Would you be interested in joining?
0f20fa No.10266
Embedding error.
You think there are any groups like this in Italy?
d6fc02 No.10269
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>>10264In regards to our societal differences it doesn't seem that it would hinder any long lasting friendship between our two parties.
Now that has been said.
I have made a coalition of parties to right, and I would like to ask if you could join our fight against leftist degeneracy and its corrosive materialism.
>>10266There are many italo-roman neopagan groups in italy, and across latin europe.
6f1f16 No.10326
>>10201I want a party that will let me work hard and crush adversity.
I want personal freedom, yet solidarity with my brothers.
I want Freedom.
I do not want a ruler who is fit simply because he was born.
What say you SPQR?
b433f5 No.10343
>>10326"The eyes of mighty Caesar are upon you. He admires your accomplishments and bestows upon you the exceptional gift of his mark."
You speak with a patrician's mind. Caesar will have his own questions for you when he gets back but as far as I'm concerned, you're in. Caesar should be back soon but until he does, assume you're a party member, I'll be taking over Caesar's duties while he's away.
>>10269>In regards to our societal differences it doesn't seem that it would hinder any long lasting friendship between our two parties.I am pleased to hear it!
>Now that has been said.I have made a coalition of parties to right, and I would like to ask if you could join our fight against leftist degeneracy and its corrosive materialism.
It is a generous offer, and I appreciate it. However, for the time being, while the senate is in the midst of reconstruction, I would like to hold off on merging the party with coalitions. I have my own reservations regarding the very notions of right and left, and the Roman Party is pretty moderate/centrist, but moreover, I'd rather not rush to join SPQR with coalitions before there's been time for the dust to settle. It's nothing personal. I hope this isn't a deal-breaker for good relations between our parties.
bb9260 No.10356
>>10265>MMXIV>Not being a part of centrist , pro-democracy/republic party that attempts to simultaneously optimize freedom and stabilityRoma beckons for me , Marcus.
b433f5 No.10358
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>>10356It beckons to us all, Cornelius. If no one else will heed the call, we will simply strain to hear it. Beyond left and right dichotomies and the false choice between 'degenerate' freedom and 'repressive' responsibility, reason and benevolence beckon. Glad to have you with us.
d6fc02 No.10365
>>10343I understand.
Your members protested even before you can respond to my message.
They don't seem to be keen in joining a right wing coalition.
I assure you we are not like the right wing socialist like the National Socialist and Fascists.
We value liberty, tradition, and hierarchy.
Your members seem to squirm at words like tradition and hierarchy, quickly labeling us as evil and totalitarian.
But tradition is what you seem to do well, carrying on the fire of Rome, if not ideologically, but aesthetically.
I hope that our two parties have a productive alliance.
b433f5 No.10369
>>10365>One of your members protested even before you can even respond.Hmm? Where are you seeing that? I admit, I never considered myself or SPQR to be right-wing in any meaningful sense, but at this point I feel like I'm repeating myself. I'm glad to hear you value liberty and tradition, the Roman Party values both as well. Hierarchy I can get behind but only so long as it is based on true merit; the five good emperors (Nerva, Trajan, Hadrian, Antoninus Pius and Marcus Aurelius), for example, were all the adoptive sons of the emperors before them; they were essentially chosen and then trained to govern based on wisdom above all else, above their ego and above the siren song of base pleasures that certain rulers fell into (ex. Marcus Aurelius' own son Commodus who was too fond of killing in the arena to rule anything properly, Elegabalus the bratty and hormonal prostitute, and of course Caligula, who needs no explanation). So I'm not against natural hierarchies and choosing successors wisely to secure proper rule, but I take some issue with the notion of hereditary rule, especially considering the mistakes of incest which are sometimes made when 'royal blood' is valued too highly. A king rules by right of his wisdom and justice and near-faultless character; his blood means little if he cannot rule.
I understand the concerns of my fellow members with regards to the notion of the Roman Party entering into a right-wing coalition; like them, I want to see Rome's power going to a voice for Rome's centrist policies, and I admit that I have always valued the civil liberties of the common man to be one of the highest priorities of the state, so I an understand that it might make others nervous to think of going back if genuine progress has indeed been made, but I think the best way around all of this is for us to see the coalition in action, making wise decisions and supporting Roman ideals. Rest assured that your support is appreciated and will not be in vain, and on whatever issues we have common ground on, you may consider the Roman Party your staunch allies. We may be centrist and moderate but we are resolute in our support of our freedoms and our culture both at once; one does not flourish without the other.
bb9260 No.10374
>>10358Excellent, see you in the Curia Julia.
d6fc02 No.10381
>>10326>>10369Yes, I have heard of the mad Emperors of ancient rome, and I understand your skepticism of hereditary monarchy. That's what happens when the monarch is above rule of law.
We may have differing meanings of Roman ideals, to us Roman ideals mean family, virility, piety, aristocracy, discipline, and martial valour.
But despite our difference we will still support you.
b433f5 No.10393
>>10381>Roman ideals mean family, virility, piety, aristocracy, discipline, and martial valour.Roman ideals mean all of that and more, it's true. My main point was not that it isn't Roman to value some over others, only that their value is judged based on their merits. If someone from the dregs of society makes a better king than someone born to a noble family, then by virtue of his wisdom, his potential, and most of all by his efforts for the state and for the improvement of his character, I would consider him nobler than someone with lands and a title who lounges and lazes and does little of value for anyone. That's the only point I'm trying to make, that merit is nobler than blood, although it would behoove any caesar to pay attention to potential future rulers early such that they may by education take potential and mold it into experience and wisdom and the continuation of right governance.
c21976 No.10402
Wanna join Coalition of Autonomous Right-wing Groups?
b433f5 No.10414
>>10402See my response to this offer here:
>>10343 b433f5 No.10492
Caesar ought to show up today since it's the last day of registration. If not, we might have to wait until the next election cycle, but we'll see how many votes we get.
Cornelius Sulla and Cornelius of Aegyptus, for the time being I'm going to be dividing votes up three ways with myself or Caesar if he comes back taking up any remainders. This isn't out of spite; if we get votes that can be split three ways equally, which is my hope, that's what we'll do, but if a Roman Party member votes out of line with the rest of the party on a consistent and serious enough basis such that they no longer represent Rome, we'll have to have a discussion about that senator's presence within the Roman Party and whether or not SPQR will continue to grant them votes and a voice in the senate. With currently only 3 or 4 members, I don't think we're large enough to have to warrant internal votes on this yet. If I'm doing a poor job of ruling or if you disagree with a decision of mine, you ought to let me know. I won't be upset, it's a ruler's place to be held to high standards and this is no exception, though as patricians it would be wise for us to all hold ourselves to that standard.
That brings me to the question of coalitions. Currently we've had invitations to join the Coalition of Autonomous Right-Wing Groups, a coalition of rightist parties whose purpose seems mostly to prevent leftist policies from passing in the senate, but there's also a United Coalition of Free Parties, which seems mostly concerned with civil liberties. As for the members of these coalitions, we've recently made strong allies with the Advancement Coalition Party so that the reason and enlightenment of Rome might reach the stars, Iain M. Banks Culture-style. Popular Front is a part of the UCFP but it doesn't appear particularly concerned with economics. Cardinal Primo has presented the Reactionary Phalanx as being a friend of Rome on several key cultural/aesthetic points and will not oppose us with regards to our mixed social policies, and I believe him. I think we'll stay on good terms with RxPx on these points. That being said, the ACP agrees with practically all of our key points so long as the concept of a philosopher-king can apply to an artificial intelligence, which seems perfectly agreeable to me.
My question now is whether or not you as senators think it would be wise to join either of these coalitions, and if so, which ones. If we stay independent, Rome can vote as it sees fit, but if we join a coalition, if there are important issues which our entire party is very interested in one way or the other, we could talk to a coalition about it and convince multiple parties at once to support us. We'd potentially be giving our votes up to other issues in the process, though. There are pros and cons on both sides, but seeing as the two of you constitute 2/3rds of the party, I'm positing this question to both of you.
8341a3 No.10496
>>10492Your party is more then welcome to join the UCFP.
b433f5 No.10498
>>10496The offer is much appreciated. We shall consider it together as a party.
d6fc02 No.10502
>>10393I'm not against social mobility, if a person proves his worth he could join the aristocracy.
Again, with your dislike of heredetary rulership,.
A reason to prefer heredetary monarchy is, in the long run, it tends to provide more societies overall with wiser, smarter, more benevolent rulers. But this shouldn't be mistaken with the claim, that always and everywhere, a monarch wil, be smart, wise, and benevolent, rather assuming a process of selection, through selective descent of surviving monarchies those families which are best able to concentrate power, and maintain it in their bloodlines' hands, without inbreeding, will also be smarter, wiser, and more benevolent ceteris paribus. The alignment of society's and royal family's is what allows traits of intelligence, wisdom, and benevolence to become which are selected for through competition. As opposed to democratically elected representatives, who are selected increasingly for sociopathic ambition, soliptistic callous, willingness to toe the party line, and these days, political correctness.
d6fc02 No.10504
>>10502Alignment of society's and royal familiy's interests*
Hereditary*
8341a3 No.10505
>>10502>I'm not against social mobility, if a person proves his worth he could join the aristocracy.>Again, with your dislike of heredetary rulership,.>A reason to prefer heredetary monarchy is, in the long run, it tends to provide more societies overall with wiser, smarter, more benevolent rulers. But this shouldn't be mistaken with the claim, that always and everywhere, a monarch wil, be smart, wise, and benevolent, rather assuming a process of selection, through selective descent of surviving monarchies those families which are best able to concentrate power, and maintain it in their bloodlines' hands, without inbreeding, will also be smarter, wiser, and more benevolent ceteris paribus. The alignment of society's and royal family's is what allows traits of intelligence, wisdom, and benevolence to become which are selected for through competition. As opposed to democratically elected representatives, who are selected increasingly for sociopathic ambition, soliptistic callous, willingness to toe the party line, and these days, political correctness.History has shown that this is complete bunk. Those with connections are almost always put into power, not those whom might be most suited to the position.
d6fc02 No.10508
>>10505>Those with connections are almost always ut into power, not those whom might be suited to the position.The same could be said in a democracy, but in a democracy politicians tend to be stupid.
it isn't a difficult task for observation, recordings of errors by politicians are numerous.
The barrier to entry in a democratic system is quite low, giving incentives for external interests to persuade the goverment to relax its own standards as to more easily place their own people into those positions.
In such a system incompetent leaders are not easily removed, whereas in a non-democratic monarchial system they can be replaced easily without any bureacratic nonsense.
d2183f No.10566
>>10201Thank you for keeping Rome alive in my absence.
>>10326Here are my questions.
Why are both a complete Democracy and a Dictatorship not fully functional?
Why is all modern society based off of Rome?
Which outlasted the other, the Empire, or the Republic?
and finally, what do you value more, education, or power?
d2183f No.10568
>>10566These questions go for all who wish to join the party.
d2183f No.10570
>>10568also, post on /roma/ ffs.
Apologies if I sound upset, I've been dealing with a lot of shills on /pol/ without my name/trip and am now banned from it.
d2183f No.10573
>>10496I appreciate the offer, and would very much like to join a coalition labeled the coalition of free parties, but I'm afraid Rome is too at odds with the political beliefs of the popular front, though we may vote similarly on certain things from time to time. I am still unsure if we are to join the Conservative block or not.
I have decided that we are to use
>>>/roma/ as a meeting place for anything the Roman Party decides on if there is any disagreement between members.
d2183f No.10627
>>10343Perhaps we should think of creating our own coalition, like say, the Philosopher's Coalition or the Coalition of Reason?
d6fc02 No.10637
>>10573>>10627You are always welcome to join the successor to the Conservative bloc, the Coalition of Autonomous Right-wing Groups, senator.
b433f5 No.10688
>>10573At this point I'm not sure we should be joining any coalitions at all. Personally I admire the UCFP's goals with regards to civil liberties and as far as I know, that's mostly what it's about, but for now I think we should stick with our own party. We could make a centrist coalition and maybe talk to ACP and other sufficiently like-minded parties, if those arise. I've heard Ju is a fellow Taoist, so if we're going to extend the offer to others, that should be taken into consideration. Taoism and Stoicism are agreed on some major points, I'm just throwing that out there.
Also, today is voting day. Thanks to everyone voting SPQR! Now we're just counting down until barbs get BTFO.
d2183f No.10799
>>10688Careful with Taoism though, a lot of people who might claim to be Taoist might not actually be as such, because of the MODERN state of China basically being a 1984 dictatorship which seems to be misusing even it's own former spiritual beliefs, and has been known to rewrite history and censor for it's own benefit.
That said, actual Taoism and actual Confucianism is similar to Stoicism.
b433f5 No.10804
>>10799I'm a Taoist in the philosophical sense, which many Chinese Taoists rather rightly consider a bastardized Western version. My allegiance philosophically must be to wisdom rather than mere tradition, however, so the name sticks because in the West it's more useful than 'stoic,' which has taken on negative connotations which were never intended by the original stoics.
I suppose that might be offensive to legitimate Chinese Taoists but it's sincerely not intended that way. Any name will do, that just happens to be the one on hand. As for the question of its more esoteric principles, that too is subject to reason. I'm gradually growing out of it as a self-label because it's slowly becoming more of a hassle to qualify it, which defeats the point, but I still have a deep respect for it as a kind of Eastern version of stoicism, or perhaps it's the other way around. In any case, I'm beholden to reason first and foremost.
df1470 No.10831
>>10799>>10804Confucianism created Maoism, which created Chinese socialism.
I am a taoist and will tell you that confucianism is a materialistic cult that has to be destroyed. All they want is gifts of high monetary value.
d6fc02 No.10836
>>10831I doubt that confucianism created maoism.
But it did influence it in some way, since Mao like any educated chinese at the time was versed in the chinese classics.
Although there is no doubt of it's influence on modern chinesd culture.
Confucianism promotes social harmony and hierarchy, its emphasis on ritual serves as the same function as religio in Roman culture.
00edb2 No.10859
Congratulations! You are now the senates largest party.
d6fc02 No.10860
>>10859Is that the official talley?
00edb2 No.10863
>>10860read
>Unofficial ResultsThe Official results should not differ if I've done my job right. ObserverStatus may disagree with how I dealt with the excess votes for Independent senators, though.
001f28 No.10924
>>10831Confucianism isn't really Maoism, only because Maoism was more or less a direct result from Stalinism. that and Mao hated Khrushchev due to the De-Stalinisation of the Soviet bloc.
001f28 No.10927
I forgot that Confucianism would probably still exist in say Taiwan, Singapore, etc.
b433f5 No.11136
>>10859Wait, what? I was following along during the entire election and it didn't look like we were going to win, maybe it just wasn't being updated.
It is an honor to get to serve in such a capacity. I trust that all members of the Roman Party shall take it upon themselves not to abuse their power.
36/4 = 9 seats per member of the party (Caesar, Cornelius of Aegyptus, Cornelius Sulla, and myself). Truly this is a victory the likes of which Rome shall not forget nor waste away.
My apologies for any absences. I shall not waste these votes while we have them, however.
7f8be2 No.11145
>>11136Glad to see you back Marcus. We need someone to make articles for the Senate newspaper, and there's some important actions currently being voted on.
https://8chan.co/sen/res/10997.htmlhttps://8chan.co/sen/res/10871.htmlhttps://8chan.co/sen/res/10959.htmlhttps://8chan.co/sen/res/11019.html d2183f No.11164
>>11136For various reasons I say we co-emperors have somewhere between 1.5 and 2 times as many seats as the rest, as we have been at it the longest, which ever one you want.
d2183f No.11166
>>11164actually, scratch that, we each get 10 and the other 2 get 8 each.
b433f5 No.11169
>>11166That sounds fair, especially considering the Corneliuses (Cornelii?) have not shown up in some time, at least not on /sen/. I saw Cornelius of Aegyptus on /gamergate/ recently, so I know he's around, but I haven't really heard a word from him on here.
d6fc02 No.11204
Hello Senators.
As allies and former fellow coalition members, I would like to ask if your party would like to join RxPx, NF/KKK, and senator ConserAnon in the Conservative Coalition.
Merry Christmas.
b433f5 No.11206
>>11204Merry Christmas Primo! It's good to hear from you. We're still considering it. I'm just going to be blunt and state that NF/KKK so far has rubbed me the wrong way and proposed at least one extremely poor bill that failed, so that's still really iffy for me. However, it's my hope you'll still consider us allies and supporters of some of your key ideas. I should talk to Caesar about all this.
d6fc02 No.11213
>>11206Well, you could disagree with them all you want, unlike UCFP we don't work on "democratic centralism".
You're all free to pursue your own interests, but still united in common ground.
We'd be glad to see you with us side by side.
7f8be2 No.11216
>>11213>democratic centralismIn no way does the UCFP practice Democratic Centralism. Every member is free to vote their own way.
d6fc02 No.11219
>>11216>>11093
>I as secretary of UCFP, hereby vote nay, 152 votes.>Please disregard these votes.Very democratic, comrade, very centralist.
d1516f No.11615
Caesar, a word. I think we're being stymied by the disappearance of Cornelius of Aegyptus and Cornelius Sulla. I think we should split our votes 50/50 until they return, so 18 for each of us, so that we might better use this number of votes while we have it. If they return, they can have their votes back, but until then, I'm going to be voting with 18. I need to see more effort on their part, and they never answered your questions in any case.
d2183f No.11831
changin my trip as a precaution.
d2183f No.11832
>>11831this is me confirmed.
d2183f No.12014
why come you no post on
>>>/roma/?
why come you get tattoo?
d2183f No.12015
>>12014who the fuck changed the tripcode, because it's typed in the EXACT SAME WAY
d2183f No.12016
test
d2183f No.12017
>>12016guess this is my new trip even though it's typed in the exact same way.
bd6864 No.12018
>>12017I think it resets if your IP resets, which is why I use a nonsecure trip
b433f5 No.12284
A brief reminder that despite delays, SPQR is still very much alive. The attempt at DDOSing this site by lizard-worshipping barbarians has once again proven unsuccessful against the might of our Lord and Savior, fundatur Cadilum Rotus. Truly we are in his debt.
No longer is the SPQR the single most powerful party in the senate, but we are proud of our works. Not in the sense of being overly boastful, but hopeful that we may each continue to serve Rome in our own way, and contribute to its fulfillment as a people and as a culture.
To our allies, we again thank you for your continued service towards the common good of all citizens. To our enemies, know that we are no strangers to forgiveness, should you come to understand things as we do, but that we shall do as we must for the good of Rome first and foremost.
d2183f No.12349
>>12284It's a shame that for most of the time we were a majority, 8chan was being DDOS'd and/or seized for CP it didn't have.
In any case, I propose that I get 11 seats, you 10, and the other 2 get 7 each, if they still wish to vote.
f3a48c No.12451
>>12349I feel that's quite fair.