/sen/ - The Senate

Repost of Objections to the Popular Front broad party

As a separate Marxist party, it is important to establish why we exist as a separate organisation rather than unite with the Popular Front comrades.

The Popular Front is not the revolutionary organisation advocated for by Lenin. It is not a Marxist organisation, nor is it explicitly revolutionary.

We reject the inclusion of middle class politics and anarchism into revolutionary organisation, one simply has to look at the numerous times the anarchists have betrayed the revolution to understand why.

Furthermore, we consider their 'What do we stand for?' point of 'Opposition to Authoritarianism and Fascism in all forms" a great issue. Not only is this a weak, apolitical objection to fascism (Which of course, we directly oppose) but seems to object to authority and conflate authority with fascism. Such a policy makes little sense. I would advise the Popular Front comrades to read Engels' essay 'On Authority' (https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1872/10/authority.htm)

The Popular Front also supports 'just revolution'. What this means is unknown, as this has never been clarified. The inclusion of all self-identifying socialists, anarchists and Marxists perhaps seems to have muddled their politics. It would be suggested that there be some clarification around this idea along with the other very broad points outlined in their 'What do we stand for?'.

The Revolutionary Marxist Party believes that only an explicitly Marxist organisation basing itself of the principles set by Vladimir Lenin can bring about the worker's revolution. This includes the development of party cadre, which seems to have also been lost on the Popular Front comrades.

Regardless, we are open to discussion and debate with the Popular Front. We are also open to political alliances and unity discussions should they wish to address our points.

At least you're not the cultural marxist New Left kind that is so intent in destroying civilization within the frame work of capitalism.
Your economics might not work, and your sociology outdated.
But you recognize authority, in some ways hierarchy, and you're not that much deluded with marxist psychoanalytics that has made the past generations of the late 20th and early 21st centuries degenerate.
Marxism and consumerism is a deadly mix of poison.

>>10449
Very smart of you.

>>10431


marxists have stabbed the anarchists in the back more times than you can count, take your revisionist history back to /pol/

>>10449

basicly someone, somewhere is doing something with their body you disapprove of, and you feel the need to boss that person around because your dick is too small.

Next your going to blame consumerism on marxism, or even any form of socialism, which is hillarious in irony.

We are anti-capitalist, and therefor anti-consumerism, because capitalism is needed for consumerism.

Stop using red scare shit to voice your disapproval of capitalism.

You guys should come to #/sen/ on rizon so we can talk.

420b would like to form a parliamentary coalition with the RMP. The UCFP, currently chaired by the PF, has aligned too closely with right-wing elements such as anti-semites and monarchists for our membership with them to continue.

>>10480
>implying
Just because TTH is an observer doesn't mean we align ourselves with anti-semites and monarchists. Stop being so salty.

>>10481
This isn't the place for such a discussion.

>>10465
>>10466
>>10467
srs bsns

>>10466
>>10467
I'm not much of a puritan, unlike you marxists and your social justice.
It is evident that our postliberal society is marxist infected.
Today's marxists have embraced capitalism, he may say he's anti-capitalist, and anti-consumerist, yet he wears shirts with Che Gueverra's face on it and keeps Che Gueverra merchandise around his apartment.

>>10500
So people a hundred years ago could buy shirts and call themselves Marxists, but people today can't?

>>10465
>implying i'm from /pol/

>>10480
I'm sorry, but we'd have to refuse your offer. I don't see how allowing TTH as an observer counts as right-wing alignment, at least at this point in time. However, I look forward to developing a mutually beneficial relationship with your left-wing organisation in the future.

>>10500
[citation needed]

Marxists are not idealists who think that capitalism can be abolished through lifestyle politics. In other words, we're not going to become monks and live in a forest commune (Abandoning capitalism, in a sense) because it's not going to get anything done.

Comrade, can I join?

>>10543
Welcome aboard, comrade!

>>10500
There's no way to avoid buying things in Capitalism. Capitalism is an all encompassing economic system.

It's why we all internalize its ideology, we can't escape it.

>>10526
A Marxist organisation should not side with anti-semites and eugenicists over leftists.

Can I join?

>>10551
Fucking die already!!!

you guys should have this as your anthem

>>10562
>not Hell March 2

step it up, man

>>10551
Welcome aboard!

>>10636
Forgot the trip.

>>10642

I'm afraid real revolutionaries support Palestine and anti-Zionism. You guys aren't real into that immigration thing, are you? Even when it involves people who originally lived in the area.

>>10686
Of course I am Goy. Flood Europe with the negroid and asiatic hordes! Heil Marx!

>>10752
He meant Palestinians destroying Judea, I hope your evil nation will be destroyed by immigration, suck it!

>>10834
Oh silly goy, we Jews are too smart to be tricked by our own creations.

>>10841
>>10834
>>10829
>>10752
>>10686
>>10642
>IFP
>party designed for literally no other purpose than to intentionally act like the 4/pol/ stereotype of Israeli Jews
>people actually taking the things IFP says as serious
>elected senators actually responding seriously
>[bait taking intensifies]
/sen/, I am disappoint

>>10842
It's not like there hasn't been joke/troll parties before. No one is "taking the b8.", we're just playing along with the joke.

Hey Leninator, when will you be back in leftypol chat?