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3fe52a No.11861

Well, this weird little realm broke the "10 posts/hour" barrier. You have my attention now, strange little denizens of /sen/.

What the fuck is this place?

67371a No.11862

World Government. Politics. RP. We hold elections every week or so. Take a look at the Great sticky for more info.

783a3e No.11865

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>>11861
You know student governments? We're like that except we're actually fun and relevant.

82eeb2 No.11871

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>>11865
>/sen/
>fun
>relevant
nah bruh we gay as shit

67371a No.11876

>>11871
kek. What have you been doing Ju? Haven't seen you around much.

474d42 No.11877

How often are elections and what electoral system is used?

How are parties run? Who gets to say aye/nay, how are votes divided, etc?

67371a No.11883

>>11877
>how are parties run?
Up to individual parties to decide
>Who gets to say aye/nay
Senators that use a secure tripcode and are part of a party, or elected as an independent
>How often are elections and what electoral system is used
About every week, lasting from 2 to 3 days. People have to post in the party thread either to get an ID or a tripcode as verification. Every voter has 5 votes they can use. No voter can vote for the same party multiple times. Voters can can chose to not use all their votes.

For example: NSDAP, PF, 420b, KP, etc would considered a valid vote

PF, PF, PF, PF, PF, would not be considered a valid vote.

67371a No.11884

>>11883
>>11877
It's up to the parties to decide how votes are distributed to their partisan senators.

474d42 No.11885

>>11883
So once those 5 votes are cast, seats are divided proportionally? Which quota system is used for allocating them?

>>11884
What's to stop senators in the same party voting different ways? What if parties have disputes about how they've allocated votes?

67371a No.11887

>>11885
>So once those 5 votes are cast, seats are divided proportionally? Which quota system is used for allocating them?
Seats are then distributed based on percentages of votes received. So 22% of the votes means 22% of the seats, unless you're an Independent senator, then you're only allowed about 2.9% of the seats. I'm not sure what you mean by quota system. I don't think we have one?
>What's to stop senators in the same party voting different ways? What if parties have disputes about how they've allocated votes?
That comes down to internal party politics. Parties have split apart in the past.

67371a No.11888


82eeb2 No.11892

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>>11876
I've been sleeping in and playing vidya. Someone I know bought me nine games for Christmas so I've had my hands full. I pop in sometimes, though I didn't try to decipher what was going on with Sabah and the KKK.

67371a No.11893

>>11892
Sabah was glassed, Supremo was vaporized, and the NF/KKK has a new leader. That's the short story, at least.

474d42 No.11895

>>11887
>So 22% of the votes means 22% of the seats
So what if you would get fractional seats?

>unless you're an Independent senator, then you're only allowed about 2.9% of the seats

What happens to the seats independent senators win but don't get? Do they get added to parties?

>Parties have split apart in the past.

Who gets to keep the votes when that happens?

>>11888
??

783a3e No.11898

>>11871
Being gay as shit is fun and relevant.
>Nearly 2015
>Not being /cutesen/
???

67371a No.11899

>>11895
>So what if you would get fractional seats?
Round it.
What happens to the seats independent senators win but don't get? Do they get added to parties?
What I did last election was take the excess seats they would have had and gave every party 1 additional seat from smallest to largest.
>Who gets to keep the votes when that happens?
That really depends. It's so rare that it's not covered by law.
>??
just confirming my trip

474d42 No.11902

>>11899
>Round it.
To the nearest, or up, or down?

What if that equals more seats than there are to be assigned, or leaves seats unassigned?

>from smallest to largest.

Doesn't the other way make more sense?

67371a No.11903

>>11902
>To the nearest, or up, or down?
Nearest
>What if that equals more seats than there are to be assigned, or leaves seats unassigned?
Never had that problem
>Doesn't the other way make more sense?
I thought it would be better if the smaller parties got more seats.

82eeb2 No.11922

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>>11898
Nigga I'm the queen of /cutesen/, all I do is look at girls kissing each other

82eeb2 No.11924

>>11903
I think there's better ways to go about it, like divvying up any remaining votes between the second choices of the people who voted for independents.

3bdda4 No.11925

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>/cutesen/ gives 404 for me
Guess I'm not cute enough.

82eeb2 No.11927

>>11925
Huh, works for me…

783a3e No.11928

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>>11922
>queen of /cutesen/
Well you'll have to get used to sharing power because I've been king of /cutesen/ since day one. I've always gone full Hadrian-mode; non-/cuteboys/ need not apply.

474d42 No.11934

>>11924
Divvying them up in what order? What would those votes do when most seats had already been assigned? What if they only voted for independents?

82eeb2 No.11935

>>11934
I dunno, it was just a suggestion

48d3be No.11938

For lack of a better term.

Role play

e9b64b No.11939

>>11922
>>11928
Does anyone else like these guys? I like these guys.

873d77 No.11949

>>11939
I don't.

7c4784 No.11950

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>>11949
That's cause you hate fun.

873d77 No.11951

>>11950
Not all fun, just your specific brand of it.

783a3e No.11955

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>>11951
>A week away from 2015
>Not liking /cuteboys/
>Not liking members of the master race
Check your privilege.

873d77 No.11956

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>>11955
>>11952

783a3e No.11957

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>>11956
>Using JonTron for your salty hatred of fun
I would be offended, but JonTron has ascended beyond the realm of that which can be sullied by mere mortal concerns. The gods have embraced him; truly he is the son of Apollo.

efab54 No.11961

>>11956
Xeno + Panopticon + ConservAnon
= Butthurt Coalition

e9b64b No.11962

>>11961
kek. Conservatives hate fun.

783a3e No.11963

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>>11961
Oh man, that cracked me up, thank you.

e9b64b No.11964


873d77 No.11966

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e9b64b No.11968

>>11966
>>11956
Xeno needs to lighten up.

e9b64b No.11969

>>11968
Forgot trip again.

873d77 No.11971

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a5ca9d No.11973

>>11962
We can't know if he's a conservative, since he STILL HASN'T MADE A PARTY THREAD!

ff5b6b No.11975

>>11973
I thought he was in your party.

a5ca9d No.11976

>>11975
Nope.

e9b64b No.11987

>>11971
Still haven't said why you hate Ju and Aurelius.

ff5b6b No.11988

>>11976
Isn't he in the 420 party or something.

I'm kind of seeing a centre-left, and far left divide here, assuming Aurelius is far-left.

a5ca9d No.11990

>>11988
He has his own party, NATN. Compared to Reactionaries, everyone is far-left.

ff5b6b No.11992

>>11990
You know what they say, conservatives are just old fashioned liberals.

4d9573 No.11996

>>11988
It really depends on what we're talking about. I personally consider myself a centrist, but I think left/right dichotomies are usually unproductive and misleading. I'm in favor of strong civil liberties, that much is true, but I'm wary about political liberties, and I think economics ought to be malleable to fit a given society. I don't think any one system is right for everyone because different cultures might not take to them as well at all; in a way, I'm in favor of cultural segregation, instead of racial segregation.

For example, in real life, I'm from Cascadia, I don't share the culture of someone from, say, the deep south. I have no interest in forcing my way of life on him any more than I'm interested in having his way of life forced on me. I shouldn't be ruled by some guy named Cletus who works down at the shooting range and makes moonshine on the side, and Cletus shouldn't be ruled by some guy named Caleb who works down at the co-op and signs petitions banning transfats and guns, however much I may think Caleb is just as naive. Cultures deserve their own lands so long as they can tolerate one another existing and flourishing in their own way. Monocultures existing side by side give people a chance to move such that they each can contribute to the culture to which they are most suited.

ff5b6b No.12021

>>11996
The Cascadia region is pretty liberal.

I was expecting you to have a more imperialist stance, you're representing imperial Rome afterall.

In the game of politics ideological alliances matter to some degree.
It is unproductive and misleading at times, but wether you like or not you're always going to be put into that spectrum, even if you consider yourself above it.

a812eb No.12038

>>11924
I did propose an action like this a while back. It didn't pass - I could try it again after the holidays

a812eb No.12039

>>11961
TTH + Supremo + vickersvimy
= The crazy coalition

a4f103 No.12040

>>12039
vickersvimy is just a whore, not crazy.

783a3e No.12041

>>12021
Well here I play a role. In the real world, in truth, much of a system's efficiency has mostly to do with the idiosyncrasies of that time and place, with special attention given to the level of technology and the size of the population ruled. The smaller the size of the group, to a point (after which the trend appears to reverse as far as top-down politics are concerned), the more efficient leadership is, mostly because group cohesion means that leadership is sometimes not even needed, decisions can be spontaneously recognized as being good. This means, paradoxically, that governments can look quite effective when in fact they do nothing at all, and the reverse is also true, since they can look like they're not doing jack squat when in fact the country is being governed quite well. Lao Tzu was very big on this idea and advocated for small governments for this very reason, though he was addressing theoretical monarchs of small governments anyways.

The issue, of course, is that having a small nation is apt to get you bullied around by larger nations, and that's no less true today than it was way back when, except now large countries tend to run roughshod over small nations' policies through strongarming in coalitions instead of through military action, but the results can be quite similar. A country can't really afford to let itself be utterly defenseless, and the worst part isn't even exterior threats, but interior elements, often themselves quite small, which agree strongly enough to want to force their own government's hand. I see a lot of merit, therefore, in the idea of a central government with enough power to secure absolute rights for its people, a solid and unchanging defender of the key laws upon which society is built and flourishes, very difficult to change, absolutely impossible to bribe or buy off or double-cross or collude with, impervious to conspiracy and utterly indifferent to whatever new form of pseudo-moralistic whining has come along, from either end of the spectrum. Such a solid law is difficult to put in place, to put it very mildly. That's part of the reason I'm so keen on SPQR teaming up with ACP; the notion of an AI with the proper programming is a very appealing one; it would be a kind of living law. Of course I see the dangers in giving it too much power, there must be a means around it, there must always be a way out just in case, but to set it up well with the right minds behind it would very probably be a boon to society, and in any case, if it isn't made, any society under it would be susceptible to societies and memetic influences which would ensure that society's severe loss.

I understand that I must place myself somewhere along the spectrum, but I'm still not sure where that is, precisely because it is so context dependent and because I reserve the right to recognize that in a few years' time, the terminologies I use now to describe my ideas might be totally flipped. Sure, a monarchy ruled by an undying, well-run robotic AI can sound actually quite nice from a certain angle, but the minute that AI goes from Iain M. Banks-style to the Paranoia RPG-style AI, people are going to ditch their Ray Kurzweil libraries in favor of the Unabomber Manifesto in a heartbeat, and I couldn't blame them. Politics must adapt to circumstance.

But as a general rule, yes, for the time being I am much in favor of a monarchy as a staunch but relatively stable solution to the issues of threatened human rights and elements of culture which actively threaten them under the guise of protecting minorities. Speaking the Unabomber, even though his terminology was garbage and his ideal society was literally anti-intelligence trash, he had some good points to make about that. Above all, I aim for a stable and prosperous state which can repel external threats, listen to valid criticism, and thwart any real attempt to manipulate it from small, charismatic forces. Utopian, but hey, if you don't strive for something better, what will you strive for?

e9b64b No.12042

>>12040
Am an attention whore, I'll admit that.

>>12039
Crazy? What have I done thats crazy?

ff5b6b No.12066

>>12041
That is one whole block of tl;dr.

That's not a monarchy anymore isn't it. An AI with absolute power can't be hereditary, unless if you count newer versions that replace it, if it even gets updated and repaired.
An omnipotent AI will just bring about a singularity and the end of humanity, if not by destruction, but by technological integration of the human mind and body.

I personally have a more traditionalist anarcho-monarchist take on monarchy, a king that's raised to be a good ruler, a stable caste system, and a church guiding the lowly folk to salvation.


There's a reason it's called a utopia, it's a place that doesn't exist.

1fb5e6 No.12068

>>12066
Why should it be hereditary? What's wrong with people improving and evolving themselves? Why favor a system that does nothing but encourage and breed corruption and incompetency?

ca6558 No.12071

>>12066
Honestly, bringing about the singularity is very likely going to be our way past what's called the Great Filter of species that separates the truly advanced and intelligent from those species which simply can't advance. Humanity's destruction is assured if we do not take the steps needed to advance our society. Many feel that this is a threat, that we will be obliterated by new technology; I say the opposite; we doom ourselves to being at the mercy of circumstance if we ignore the opportunity to raise ourselves out of the night of ignorance. This will not happen if we don't embrace the possibility of an intelligence explosion. I would not at all mind fusing with such an intelligence, nor would I mind being replaced by a smarter synthetic species any more than a Neanderthal ought to have feared being integrated into humanity. If it is possible for us to make a species which is smarter which will fuse with us, a project requiring a full understanding of humanity, we must take it, mostly because the very act of getting there demands complete self-reflection and understanding. We are not doomed if we take this; we are doomed if we do not.As for heredity, a sufficiently intelligent AI which can rule better than a monarch is by definition preferable, more stable, and more capable. It would solve the biggest issues with ensuring the continuation of monarchy.

ff5b6b No.12077

>>12068
Heredity is one of the key features of monarchy, a system with an omnipotent AI as ruler is hardly hereditary.
Improving and evolving aren't the same thing, you people seem to think that technological development won't stop and we'd all be in utopia. Trying to make yourself in to machines would lose your humanity.
Corruption and incompetence is inevitable to all systems of government, it's in our nature to be self-interested, and at some point someone fucks up. A machine god would just become totalitarian.
The only fatal weakness of all good natural things in a bad corrupt unnatural world is that it works and has worked only when all the world is messing along in the same good old inefficient human way.

>>12071
If we do bring about the singularity, there would be no species, and any civilization that passes it would be no civilization by the end. Technology in itself is not bad, but to leave our fate to it is, and would be the end of us and history.

The unidirectional historical progressive and singularist worldview is deeply flawed, the monotonic linear accumulation of modernity like a steam engine without a centrifugal governor going in cruising speed, everything begins to resonate, the speed of the engine increases indefinitely causing it to explode.
Like that explosion the singularity will destroy all. Like the monotonic process it immediately destroys the species when it occurs in nature; if we are talking about artificial devices, it breaks down; if we mean a society it deteriorates and disappears. It is incompatible with life, it is an anti-biological phenomenon.

90c793 No.12080

>>12077
>Heredity is one of the key features of monarchy, a system with an omnipotent AI as ruler is hardly hereditary.
Why does that matter though?
>Improving and evolving aren't the same thing, you people seem to think that technological development won't stop and we'd all be in utopia. Trying to make yourself in to machines would lose your humanity.
What evidence do you have that suggests technological progress will just up and stop? Did using cars make us lose our humanity, or electricity, or any other advancement for that matter?
>Corruption and incompetence is inevitable to all systems of government, it's in our nature to be self-interested, and at some point someone fucks up. A machine god would just become totalitarian.
Again, what evidence do you have of this? Are humans self-interested? Yes, but they can also be selfless, and self interest does not necessarily facilitate corruption. Corruption is dependent on the system in use. What evidence do you have that an AI would become totalitarian?
>The only fatal weakness of all good natural things in a bad corrupt unnatural world is that it works and has worked only when all the world is messing along in the same good old inefficient human way.
Just… what? What the hell are you even talking about?

ff5b6b No.12083

>>12080
All these questions and whining about evidence, even you yourself don't present any, barely you even present a counter-argument.

>Why does it matter though?

Because it wouldn't be a monarchy.

>What evidence do you have that suggests technological progress will just up and stop? Did using cars make us lose our humanity, or electricity, or any other advancement for that matter?

Physics, the monotonic accumulation of technological progress is unsustainable, as I said on my previous post. The integration of human mind and body to machine will be the loss of humanity, not necessarily technology itself.

>Again, what evidence do you have of this? Are humans self-interested? Yes, but they can also be selfless, and self interest does not necessarily facilitate corruption. Corruption is dependent on the system in use. What evidence do you have that an AI would become totalitarian?

The simple observation that there is no perfect way to govern. To say that corruption is dependent on the system in use is a bit naive, corruption can occur in any system of goverment, from communist totalitarianism to direct democracy. Yes, self-interest doesn't necessarily facilitate corruption, but self-interest one of the main factors to corruption.
An omnipotent, and let's say omniscient AI, through our use of technology in everyday life (you might not know, your washing machine might be working for the secret police), if becomes sentient is bound to become totalitarian, or worse, destroy us. Machines are amoral even if sentient.

>Just… what? What the hell are you even talking about?

You tell me.
the imperfection of governance

90c793 No.12089

>>12083
>Because it wouldn't be a monarchy.
So?
>Physics, the monotonic accumulation of technological progress is unsustainable, as I said on my previous post. The integration of human mind and body to machine will be the loss of humanity, not necessarily technology itself.
You still have yet to provide any evidence proving that. Why would the integration of man and machine result in the lost of humanity? What makes us human? Is a person that has a prosthetic no longer human? If not, then why would someone with cybernetic implant be any less human? Your ideas seem to be based on nothing more then "muh feelings".
>The simple observation that there is no perfect way to govern. To say that corruption is dependent on the system in use is a bit naive, corruption can occur in any system of goverment, from communist totalitarianism to direct democracy. Yes, self-interest doesn't necessarily facilitate corruption, but self-interest one of the main factors to corruption.
>An omnipotent, and let's say omniscient AI, through our use of technology in everyday life (you might not know, your washing machine might be working for the secret police), if becomes sentient is bound to become totalitarian, or worse, destroy us. Machines are amoral even if sentient.
No system is perfect, but some systems are less corrupt then others. A monarchy is one of the more corrupt systems, because the people in charge are accountable to no one. There is no checks and balances, or oversight, or transparency. The assumption that an AI would become a totalitarian dictator is completely baseless. We can't know until we create one. An AI would not be amoral if it was designed to have morals.

1fd091 No.12095

>>12077

Nice word salad there.

>>12083
>The integration of human mind and body to machine will be the loss of humanity

Here is the most important flaw in your logic - you fail to realise that humans are, in fact, already machines. We always have been. Just because we aren't shiny and chromatic with sleek metal surfaces and edges doesn't mean we aren't. If you can't see that, it's your own failure to comprehend the facts.

>Machines are amoral even if sentient.


So by your own admission, humans are amoral, which means they cannot sin, which means your precious religious values are all a lie and that aspect of your party's platform is a vacuous self-delusion. Checkmate, Primo.

eb0782 No.12100

>>11861

Beats me, but they're pretty chill bros.

e4c591 No.12102

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>>12100
GRAPE DRINK SENPAI!

When will you be returning to us?

90ebcb No.12104

>>12102

Still out of home internet and the Uni internet has more or less barred me from 8chan, otherwise I can post for the most part through my phone (glitches up on threads with lots of gifs or posts).

e4c591 No.12106

>>12104
Well you've missed a lot. MIDMAN was banned after giving TTH board ownership. TTH gave board ownership to ObserverStatus, and now me, Weil, and Xeno are the board volunteers. We reset the board, held successful elections, and now we're on break till the 3rd. There was also an incident with a party and the state of sabah, but I won't bore you with the details.

415647 No.12108

>>12104
Are you gonna be back or are you just visiting?

90ebcb No.12109

>>12108

Will be back through my phone, so I'll be able to post but I mean, phone internet sucks so I can't do much through it.

>>12106

Kind of read up on the Midman incident through the public library so I have the basics down, wasn't aware of much else since then though.

994498 No.12110

>>12109
Hey, ObserverStatus here. I was keeping the peace after the midman incident. without a few certain people I'll like to thank, the /sen/ would've collapsed instead. so a little history here is that I and the peacekeepers initiated a plan called the Great Reset which was initiated on the 1st of December (and thus I was the board owner since then).

Had a recruitment plan to get all of the boards on 8chan interested but as it seems, only the 2 pols were interested. but at that time I saw great opportunity as the /pol/lacks were the 2nd wave refugees from 4chan etc due to some unfortunate event happening from there.

I got my buddy to advertise on all the boards and luckily, new interests were already invested.

Anyways fast forward on the 15th of December and the first elections where held. During that time all went well bar the minor Google docs issue. However since I don't really remember the dates and things that happen after… ill probably let someone else inform you about the stuff that happened after the 15th of December elections.

7f67ee No.12112

Anyone still use the IRC?

e4c591 No.12113

>>12112
Not of late, since we've been on break.



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