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Why Race Matters and Why ‘the Races’ Don’t, or, On Racial Idealism

“Under close scrutiny, the division into races according to the colour of skin turns out to be quite the crudest and most obvious method, since there are noticeably inheritable characteristic racial differences among people of identically coloured skins.” – Alfred Rosenberg

Race in National Socialism means quality, not ethnicity.

Unquestioning acceptance of status quo ”racial” divisions is the greatest obstacle to true understanding about race. Happily splitting the human species into three “colors”, or three “continents”, Western civilization has produced a conveniently ignorant picture of what it calls ”the races” (actually ethnic clusters), self-identification along which has created more problems than it has ever solved. Ongoing present-day genetic research, which has shown the isolability of alleles such that a given heritable trait can be carried independently of other heritable traits, and therefore can vary under selective pressure independently of other heritable traits, is confirming what should quite frankly be common sense based on real-life experience, namely that there are good people and bad people of all ethnic backgrounds. Yet in recent times with the rise of ZC (or, Zionist Correct, meaning, a general attitude accepting the validity of tribalism, which Zionism is the chief example of) thinking, these serious results have been ignored by ethnocentrists in favour of drawing attention solely to ethnic differences along the old status quo lines. We can stay in the mess of racial identity with all the division and strife necessarily embedded into this way of thinking, or we can wash away the remnants of a bygone era and pursue racial idealism.

The common anti-ethnocentric claim takes the form: ”Race is a social construct.” Ethnocentrists, misinterpreting this as a claim that all humans are identical, respond by supplying extensive anthropometric differences between “the races” (while staying suspiciously silent about anthropometric differences within each of “the races”). This can be attributed to poor formulation of the claim, which we propose should instead take the form: “The races are a social construct.” Nobody believes that all humans are identical; if they really were identical it would be impossible to tell them apart! What anti-ethnocentrists, including Aryanists, believe is that the socially important heritable differences are not necessarily the ones sorted along ethnic lines.

What race is this?

Of all groups claiming to oppose Jewish power, White Nationalists* (who also go by other names such as Pro-Whites, White Advocates, White Separatists, White Identitarians, Anti-Anti-Whites (yes, really) etc.) are the most counterproductive. Their very presence taints the heroic image of anti-Zionist activism in the eyes of non-racist newcomers, perverts its purpose in the eyes of racist newcomers, and impedes every effort for unifying all non-Jews against Jewish domination. Clear-thinking anti-Zionists correctly identified WNs long ago as useful idiots led by Zionist agents to forment interethnic tension. As Aryanists, we moreover emphasize how WNs themselves are remarkably ' 'similar' ' to present-day Israelis in their way of thinking. Either way, they have no place within any serious anti-Zionist movement, but should be considered part of the enemy in the broader anti-tribalist movement that we have proposed, for by their obsession with ethnicity they have already rejected our motto of UNITY THROUGH NOBILITY.

* Obviously WNs are not nationalists in any serious sense, as their allegiance is not to any country but to the international “white” diaspora. What WNs mean by their use of the term is that they want countries where only “white” people are allowed to live.

WNs in Aryanist terminology are referred to as "Gentiles" (a list of Aryanist terminology will be posted later in this thread). We recognize the superficially similar /sen/ party "NSDAP" as a Gentile political party as an inept misrepresentation of National Socialism and a desecration of the Swastika. We would welcome the dissolution of the "NSDAP" and the absorption of any Aryan members into the NSAP with votes previously used to back the party going to us. We refuse to use the "Nazi" flag, repudiate the usage of "Nazi" as an incorrect term and a future section will cover the specifics. A new flag will be created to properly represent Aryanism.

Popular racist books (notice anything about the authors?)

The strategic significance of WNs in the psychopolitical war is evident from the history of Jewish involvement in White Nationalism and neo-Nazism. From direct Jewish leadership (such as Frank Cohen ‘Collins’ of the National Socialist Party of America), to close collaboration between WNs and Jews (such as Jared Taylor and the many Jewish speakers and writers for American Renaissance), we should consider how racial identity is promoted by Jews to turn its adherents into convenient weapons for their ends. Almsost all genuine anti-Zionists have had this experience: every time we try to start a serious discussion about Zionism, WNs hijack it and turn it into a rant about the need to stop “black” men from having sex with “white” women and other racist nonsense, so that almost all the discussion time that could have been spent on positive planning ends up being spent on kicking the WNs back out. Hence many anti-Zionists today agree that in an alternate universe where WNs never existed, we would have in all likelihood already defeated Jewish power by now.

That some WNs speak out against Jews does not mean they understand what is going on, because their description of Jewish goals is incorrect. Typically, they believe that the Jewish goal is to exterminate all so-called “white” people. It never crosses their mind that white-skinned Jews depend daily on the existence of white-skinned non-Jews to camouflage their own presence. If all white-skinned non-Jews were removed from the picture, Jews would instantly become so conspicuous in their positions of control that they would no longer be able to infiltrate society. While different anti-Zionists have different speculations about Zionist strategy, only WNs are idiotic enough to suggest with a straight face that the Jewish goal is to blow their own cover.

On the other hand, Jews have good reason to encourage WNs to believe that this is the Jewish goal, as the WNs who spread this notion (whose absurdity is obvious to everyone except themselves) thus destroy by association the credibility of even serious critics of Jewish behaviour.

Worse, Aryanists have been required at every turn to distinguish ourselves from WNs due to the latter’s spurious occasional adoption of the term “Aryan”. WNs advocate a tribalist double-standard of in-group altruism and out-group indifference - an attitude that cuts directly against the grain of Aryan universal compassion. This not only ensures that WN draws no noble individuals, but moreover results in a semantic nightmare where the least noble individuals – the ones likely to be drawn to WN – refer to themselves as “Aryans”. If Jews are trying to bury the true meaning of the term “Aryan”, this is certainly a cunning way to do so.

As a matter of fact, since “white” is the name of a Gentile tribe, the notion of a “white Aryan” is as oxymoronic as the notion of a “Jewish Aryan”. No self-respecting Aryan would ever want to associate with “whiteness”, a racist concept created by the British Empire and other colonial powers for the purpose of segregating the colonists from the colonized populations (in the same way that the concept of Jewishness was created to keep Jews distinct from non-Jews wherever Jews have lived among non-Jews), whereas National Socialist Germany morally sided with the colonized populations around the world, as it perceived Weimar-era Germany as a de facto colony of France under the Treaty of Versailles (hence official NSDAP statements such as: “German-Chinese friendship stemmed in good part from the hard struggle of both for independence”), and supported folkish integration as the superior alternative. In Hitler’s words, “The misery of the nations has not been relieved but has increased. The deepest roots of this misery, however, lie in the division of the world into conquerors and conquered.” Indeed it was in order to distance Germany from the crimes of the colonial powers that NSDAP publications generally avoided referring to any of the people of Germany as ”white”, preferring the romantic and open-ended term “Aryan” to refer to non-Jewish Germans in general. When Hitler did use the term “white”, it was with a negative connotation directed at the colonial powers, for example: “The white races did, of course, give some things to the natives, and they were the worst gifts that they could possibly have made, those plagues of our own modern world – materialism, fanaticism, alcoholism and syphilis. For the rest, since these peoples possessed qualities of their own which were superior to anything we could offer them, they have remained essentially unchanged.” It was on this account that National Socialist Germany was so highly regarded among non-Western countries of the time.

Of course, nobody born today should be blamed for colonial-era crimes. That is, except those who choose to perpetuate and self-identify with colonial-era concepts such as “whiteness”.

WNs often retort that non-Western states have also practiced colonialism in the past, yet are not condemned for doing so. This is a lie. States throughout history have practiced imperialism (ie. expansion of territorial domain), but not colonialism. The ancient empires (including Rome) integrated the conquered peoples as citizens. The Western colonial empires, in contrast, were historically unique in their practice of segregating the conquered people as “non-whites”, and thus subjects but not citizens. (Similarly, Western slavery was indeed more despicable than other chattel institutions (including Roman) throughout history because it alone exhibited willingness to do to “non-whites” what it had already recognized was wrong for “whites”, in contrast to other institutions who did not display this double-standard.) Had but any of the post-Renaissance colonial empires been willing to follow the Roman model instead of the Western model, they would surely have escaped condemnation. As they did not, it is perfectly justified for us to condemn them while sparing Rome and other integrationist empires (including, incidentally, the Third Reich). Even as National Socialist Germany was about to fall, Hitler had this to say of colonialism: “I feel much more sympathetically inclined to the lowliest Hindu than to any of these arrogant islanders. Later on, the Germans will be pleased that they did not make any contribution to the survival of an out-dated state of affairs for which the world of the future would have found it hard to forgive them.”

WN is nothing more than a Gentile rendition of Talmudism, where instead of the Chosen People being “Jewish people”, it is “white people”. This is explicit among believers of Christian Identity, whose central claims are that “whites”, not Jews, are the true Israelites of the Tanakh (the tribe ordered by Yahweh to plunder every rival tribe they came across), and that “non-whites” have no souls. It is implicit among all those who will blame so-called “non-white people” as a whole for any injury of a “white” individual by a “non-white” individual, yet at the same time refuse to hold either “white people” as a whole or even the intellectual abstraction of “whiteness” accountable for the much greater violence perpetrated throughout the colonial era by the colonizing forces upon the colonized populations.

Hence follows every WN double-standard, from the hypocrisy of insisting that formerly “white” lands be returned to “whites” while formerly “non-white” lands need not be returned to “non-whites” (the same as the stance of Israel towards Palestine), to the paradox of demanding both freedom of association and criminalization of interethnic marriage, to say nothing of their cowardly use of the terms “anti-White”, “White Guilt” and “White Genocide” identical to Jewish use of the terms “anti-Semite”, “Blood Libel” and “Holocaust” to avoid dealing with criticism. (More recently, they have even started accusing us of “White Genocide Denial“. Where have we heard this one before?!)

Now that we have sufficiently separated ourselves from the Gentile, "Neo-Nazi", "Nazi" and "white nationalist" labels that National Socialism is often misapplied to, we can proceed to build ourselves as a party.

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Why the Races Don’t Matter

We do not claim, as do the blank slate egalitarians, that everybody is the same. Instead, we consider it self-evident that everybody is different, that no two individuals (with the possible exception of identical twins) are the same, whether within “the races” or between them. Dismissal of “the races” is not denial of heritable biodiversity, but recognition that classification of heritable biodiversity can be done in so many informative ways that focus on one classificational dimension to the exclusion of all others is intellectually dysfunctional (or, more likely, intellecually dishonest). The problem is not noticing patterns, the problem is noticing some patterns but not others. What Jews and Gentiles call “racial awareness” or “race realism”, we call racial tunnel vision.

So-called “race realists” tell us that a DNA test will allow the tester to determine with up to 80% accuracy which of “the races” a person belongs to, as if this justified prejudging people based on their ethnic background. But the same DNA test could tell us with 100% accuracy which blood type a person belongs to, yet we do not prejudge people according to their blood type, and we would not take seriously anyone who advocated “blood type realism”.

Distribution of Blood Types: http://anthro.palomar.edu/vary/vary_3.htm

A big deal is made by the same so-called “race realists” of studies that show ”the races” vary in average IQ test scores, yet it is statistical regularity that when a realistic data set is divided along any marker-based criterion, the resulting subsets are unlikely to have exactly equal averages. If, for example, we regrouped IQ test data by somatotype (endomorph, mesomorph, ectomorph), we would find different average IQ for each somatotype, as documented by William Herbert Sheldon (and indeed hypothesized since Plato, Pythagoras and even earlier). Yet there are no “somatotype realists” making blogs that list crimes committed by mesomorphs only (and ignore crimes committed by non-mesomorphs) and then ringing alarm bells about the horrors of “mesomorph-on-endomorph crime” (even though mesomorphs are in fact the most criminality-prone somatotype (see picture), or “Endomorph Advocates” calling those who reproduce outside of their somatotype “metabolism traitors” and talking about “undeclared war” being waged against endomorphs, nor would we take them seriously even if they existed. Anyone able to see the ridiculousness of such notions has no excuse not to see the same ridiculousness of so-called “race realism”.

http://www.livescience.com/5056-wide-faced-men-aggressive.html

So does it now become a good idea to negatively prejudge everyone born in the green areas and warn people to be on their guard whenever they see someone on the street with a wide face?

The tunnel-visioned ZCs who tout crime disparity between “the races” as an argument for segregation between “the races” would never advocate segregation between the genders on the same grounds, let alone as a higher priority, despite the fact that crime disparity between the genders far exceeds that between “the races”. Indeed, every time you come across a rabid racist who cites crime disparity to blame an entire ethnic group, the best retort is to compare him with a rabid feminist who cites crime disparity to blame all men. If the feminist contention sounds absurd (as it should to any rational mind), remember that it has stronger statistical backing than the racist contention.

And I am still waiting for someone to demand separate schools for right-handed children only, so that they do not have to be stuck in the same classroom as left-handed children whose brains work demonstrably differently. While we are at it, why not talk about the achievement gap between tall people and short people? Why not study people with a certain food allergy as a distinct group to see if they have a higher rate of bankruptcy? What about the income gap between people who can roll their tongues and people who cannot? What about the difference in life expectancy of double-jointed people compared to non-double-jointed people?

What? People with free earlobes have moved next door to people with attached earlobes? Oh no! There must be an Attached Earlobe Genocide going on! Anti-racist must be a code word for anti-Attached-Earlobes! (This is equivalent to the kind of disruptive, time-wasting noise that we as serious anti-Zionists have to put up with on a regular basis as we try to discuss serious topics.)

The tunnel-visioners have been trained to respond to accusations of racism by retorting: “It’s not racist if it’s true!”, but out of all the possible statements (true or false) about genetically rooted human variation, they choose to exclusively promote statements that make certain ethnic groups look bad while allowing all the other statements to go unmentioned (“tunnel-reporting”), which indicates an agenda on their part to denigrate tribal outgroups in order to gain recruits for their own tribe – that’s the racism we are accusing them of!

The point is that if one goes looking for differences between any two categories, one is likely to find them. The real question we should be asking, therefore, is why Zionist government organizations insist on releasing official statistics classified according to “the races” but never release the same statistics classified according to blood type or somatotype or any of the hundreds of other parameters of genetically rooted human variation that could have been used just as informatively. Is it not obvious that they are actually programming us to think in terms of “the races”, and only in terms of “the races”, despite their public claims to the contrary?

(By the way, what the hell is a (Zionist government term) ”visible minority”? Why are people who are over 2 metres tall, or freckled people, or people with a Widow’s Peak, not counted as visible minorities?)

The truth is that the predominance of ”the races” over other classifications is due solely to political utility for post-Renaissance Western civilization. Primarily to justify colonialism, the British Empire introduced a hierarchical concept of ”the three races” (“Caucasoid”, “Mongoloid”, “Negroid” - which are really just modernized versions of the Tanakh’s Japheth, Shem and Ham respectively), a classification continued by post-independence America in policies relating to slavery and other issues, and consequently embedded into modern thought. Social and reproductive segregation along such lines caused separate cultures along these same lines to develop even in a single society, making the classification a self-fulfilling prophecy, much as the designers intended, which in turn made it easy for themselves (and their descendants) to believe in it as if it were fundamental truth.

Racist cartoon, promoted by Zionist agents to Gentiles

This ”three races” classification was considered coarse even by pre-WWII academia, which preferred a strict anthropometric classification that returned a much larger number of races. The hypocrisy is that many ZCs/BSs today who emphasize the importance of sorting people according to “the three races” are the same ones most likely to turn around and dismiss these more detailed classifications as unimportant. This is perfectly understandable when we examine their psychology. As racial identitarians (who themselves tend to be sub-average individuals) seek vicarious elevation of status by group association, they must promptly discontinue this exercise before it has a chance to lead to unflattering results. Racial identity is vanity, nothing more.

“Every miserable fool who has nothing at all of which he can be proud, adopts as a last resource pride in the nation to which he belongs; he is ready and happy to defend all its faults and follies tooth and nail, thus reimbursing himself for his own inferiority.” – Arthur Schopenhauer

Meanwhile, the Zionist agenda to cause interethnic hostility is best served precisely by this deliberately coarse racial identity classification, both so that statistics can be manipulated conveniently, and so that people can easily be fed with the required stereotypes (something that would be much harder with a classification scheme involving hundreds of anthropometric categories). This is why Zionist government organizations do not tell us about the Dinarid unemployment rate or the Phalid divorce rate: because this would not help them start fights between non-Jews nearly as well as the coarser classification.

Why Race Matters

“The decisive problem which alone remained was thus: What was the method by which one was to find these men who as successors of the former creators of the body of our people and therefore as their heirs could today maintain their work? Here there was but one possibility: one could not from the race infer the capacity but one had to infer from the capacity the racial fitness for the task.” – Adolf Hitler

But the point is not merely to switch to self-identification based on a more honest or more detailed system of classification, because in so doing we remain passive to past evolutionary circumstance. Any kind of static racial identity promotes acceptance of the defects in whatever racial identity one has decided to belong to (and corresponding attachment towards the cultural expressions of these defects). While a racial identitarian may talk vaguely about racial improvement, he will never allow himself to feel revulsion towards his identity and the evils this identity has caused since its inception, and thus he shuts himself off from the only kind of improvement that is actually meaningful, namely redemption, limiting himself instead to digging a dangerous hole ever deeper and calling it “progress”. In short, racism is most dangerous not by its intolerance towards the out-group, but by its tolerance towards the in-group.

“For our improvement we need a mirror.” – Arthur Schopenhauer

The positive response – the National Socialist response – is to take control and redefine race as a product of our control. We agree that culture is significantly a product of genetics. The difference is that we despise the cultures that the ethnopreservationists support - cultures of arrogance, slavery, industrialization, finance, fuel machines, cruelty to animals, exploitation of the environment and almost every other evil imaginable. Their aim is to preserve their cultures, and thus by logic the gene pools that produced them. Our aim is to start fresh. Authentic National Socialism was never about comparing one gene pool with another, but about recognizing and promoting the high-quality elements from any number of gene pools for the sake of a new, idealistic beginning (hence Hitler speaking of “two Germanys” and “two Japans“).

The simplest way to understand racial idealism is to think of a race as a genetic folk. If a folk is a people that work towards a common purpose, then a race is a people with a biological – and therefore heritable – tendency to work towards a common purpose. Indeed any folk that reproduces with sufficiently strong selective pressure concordant with its purpose will, given enough time (which can be drastically shortened by appropriate state initiatives), become such a race. And the larger the starting gene pool, the higher the resulting racial quality is likely to be, simply because we have more possible genetic combinations from which to make our quality selection in the first place.

Spartans were a product of racial idealism in this sense, bred in a society that selected against physical weakness and emotional sensitivity, and thus racially distinct from (though ethnically similar to) their fellow Greeks despite a common starting stock. African-American slaves were also a product of racial idealism for useful slave traits, which made them racially distinct from (though ethnically similar to) the various populations of West Africa from which they had originated. Anglo-Australians were once a product of racial idealism for criminal traits, which made them racially distinct from (though ethnically similar to) the Anglos of the British Isles. Jews too can be considered a product of racial idealism in this sense, though their selection process is much more complex, being steered by how Judaism has directed Jews to interact, always with Jewish tribal interests in mind, both with other Jews and with non-Jews.

From the above examples, it is evident that the term “racial idealism” on its own nowhere implies that the ideal itself is automatically a good one. A key mission of Aryanism is to advocate - come the time when a racial ideal must be chosen - an archetype based on ethical quality rather than mere pragmatic competence, a choice of UNITY THROUGH NOBILITY. But to even reach the stage where we as a world are ready to discuss what archetype to pursue, racial idealism must first entirely replace racial identity as the standard perspective.

When you can think of Grace Colbert not as a “black” girl or a “white” girl or a “multiethnic” girl but as The Cheerios Girl, you are beginning to understand racial idealism.

If you call for racial identity, you will get interethnic tension. If you call for racial segregation, you will get interethnic violence. The Zionists know this; that is why they are increasingly pushing racial identity into current reactionary politics. Our Aryanist reponse is: if you call for racial idealism, you will get interethnic unity. As such, all who continue to keep the discussion stuck in racial identity instead of helping us shift it towards racial idealism can be safely counted among our enemies.

Belief in the importance of race to society is one of the founding principles of authentic National Socialism. But the race in which we believe is qualitative race, not ethnic race. We seek racial type in the pure sense: we care about the heritable trait, not about where or when the heritable trait evolved. We want a society of people genetically superior in nobility, in honour, in empathy, in kindness, in health and in beauty – in short, a society of Aryans. It does not matter at all what colour they are or in which part of the world their ancestors lived. Indeed, a serious, unbiased discussion about quality cannot begin until all ethnocentrism is removed from the table.

“Race is a social construct” now takes on a new meaning altogether: that we have it in our power to construct the race of the future.

“In the scientific sense there is no such thing as race. But you … cannot get your breeding successfully achieved without the conception of race. And I as a politician need a conception which enables the order which has hitherto existed on historic bases to be abolished and an entirely new anti-historic order enforced and given an intellectual basis … For this purpose the conception of race serves me well … With the conception of race, National Socialism will carry the revolution abroad and re-cast the world.” – Adolf Hitler

I will post more if noble, Aryan members of /sen/, /pol/ or any other related boards express interest or/and would like to attain membership. Membership will require a name and tripcode for identification purposes.

>>12277
>How can i keep my Hakka Tribe bloodline free from degeneracy? Assuming Maoist and Mongols attacked our economy and society. We have our own Volk religion, our own language, our own flag, our own pure untouchable culture and our own government system.
According to myth, not one but two great floods occurred in prehistoric China. The first great flood wiped out everyone except Nuwa and her brother Fuxi, who repopulated the region all by themselves and ruled over their Gentile clan, the Fuxishi, teaching them Paleolithic skills such as hunting, fishing and trapping, as well as instituting marriage, patriarchy, ritual sacrifices and other practices considered ‘civilized’ by Gentile standards. The Aryan narrative, on the other hand, begins with the arrival of a different clan, the sun-worshipping Shennongshi, long after the Fuxishi were already established. Their leader Shennong spent his entire life travelling the land, teaching farming and associated Neolithic crafts to every primitive population he came across and, with varying success, persuading them to abandon the hunting lifestyle.

Archaeologically, Neolithic farm sites in China were initially discovered around the Yellow Valley, but increasingly older sites have been subsequently unearthed further south around the Yangtze Valley. Moreover, it has been recently confirmed that rice cultivation originated not even in the Yangtze Valley, but still further south in the Pearl Valley. From here it actually spread first into the adjacent Red Valley prior to moving north, hence Neolithic farm sites in Vietnam predating their counterparts in north China. This is consistent with the mythical association of the Shennongshi with the land south of the Yangtze, and in particular of Kinh Duong Vuong (meaning “Sun King of the Waterway”), who taught rice farming to indigenous populations in Vietnam (leading to Phung Nguyen culture), being described as a great-great-grandson of Than Nong (cognate with Shennong), in comparison to whom Shennong’s descendants did not reach the Yellow Valley until many more generations later.

As a Hakka in Hong Kong, you are gifted with being in the mythical heartland of the Sinosphere's Aryan progenitor. It is very likely you have Aryan blood memory as a result, as evident by your curiosity in this thread. In terms of your individual bloodline, as long as you and your partner are people who behave honestly, have integrity, use little to no makeup and haven't had cosmetic surgery (in a true National Socialist state, these things, except in the case of a life-altering injury, would be outlawed) and is ethically self-consistent it is likely you will prevent your bloodline from falling into spiritual ignobility, regardless of physical beauty. What we ourselves look like does not matter, but what type we consider to be beautiful reflects our idealism, and therefore matters a lot. Regardless, a future post will cover the physical markings of Aryan beauty.

As to the Völkisch "degeneracy", Hong Kong is in a very interesting geopolitical position. The current problems lie with the economic dependence on the mainland, massive overpopulation (however, the mass of diverse genetics this provides is a silver lining to this) general materialism (which is not a fault of Hong Kong itself; it is the result of Zionist schemes hatched far away from the eyes of their culture at the time) and the Umbrella revolution's goals, while justified, involve supplementing the current status quo with Universal Suffrage, something that will obviously lead to more degradation of the Völk. The NSAP supports and defends the independence of Hong Kong and sympathizes with any secession movement seeking liberation and wishing to cultivate a noble Aryan Völk; Scotland, Catalonia, Venice, Kashmir, etc. etc..

Generally speaking, a "smaller is better" approach to nation building is the most Aryan. If Hong Kong were to undergo a purge of its ignoble elements it would represent this par excellence.

>>12278
>, the British Empire introduced a hierarchical concept of ”the three races” (“Caucasoid”, “Mongoloid”, “Negroid”)

This is the ideal and total system, we need to return to it immediately.

I look forward to crushing you.

>>12291
Mongols never held onto that territory for as long as the British did, nor did the Mongols try and bring education, civilization and economic trade with the nations they conquered.

The British did.

>>12292
>Nobody ever conquered Russia in winter
The Mongols did.

>Nobody ever came back from sending troops into China
The Mongols did.

>Nobody ever managed to hold a multiconfessional multicultural empire
The Mongol did, while having more religious and cultural differences than any country at any time.

>Nobody ever managed to integrate large groups of conquered populations in their army in a short amount of time
The Mongols did easily. They even integrated the Franks!

>Hurr durr, Mongol Empire didn't last
It did for more than a century, and led to countries that were more administratively and militarily efficient that the countries that were formerly conquered there ever were:
- The Timurids who led to the Mughal Empire
- The Golden Horde who subjugated the Russians for centuries
- The Ming dynasty who were the most powerful Chinese dynasty before the Qing
- Stronger Mongol khanates who managed to last until the end of the 19th century.

>>12293
Mongols had no navy to speak of and no offshore colonies on the other side of the world

Britain did.

Mongols BTFO

>>12297

Britain never sent men to the moon.

The US did.

Brits BTFO

>>12286
Ideal for barbarians, yes.

>>12290
Bring it

>>12328
Thank you.

I felt we were under represented and would be a nice addition to the /sen/ate. I have seen your thread and believe it is an accurate representation of Christianity as a militant, spiritually ascetic army with a clear hierarchy that essentially mimics the structure that we would like to attain, though the "rights" you speak of would more accurately be translated as "duties", I believe the concept is the same. The NSAP has a favorable view of Christianity in this form and would seek cooperation and coalition with LEGIO in the future for the attainment of mutual goals.


>>12329
What is "CARG"?

>>12336
Well put.

I would gladly enjoin the NSAP to the Conservative Coalition.

>>12342
Out of the question, I can't even find any information related to your party.

>>12348
See: >>12352

>>12353
Pictured: NSAP (left), "NSDAP" (right)

>>12360
>Whatever the difference between you two, but we can't have two National Socialist parties at the same time, two active ones at least.
This is true.

>Senator Burk I'm sure that Mr. Maitreya made the NSAP because of the inactivity of the NSDAP and he felt that the National Socialists were underrepresented in the Senate in your absence, so he has taken it upon himself to take on the mantle of National Socialism due to your party's inactivity.
This is also true.

>Mr. Matreiya, I hope that my support of your two parties merging won't hinder our cooperation.
It will not.

>>12362
>The NSDAP will not merge with these newcomers if it means being subjugated to them.
I present a cooperative solution: both parties are deleted, a succinct NatSoc party is developed, as you are the veteran /sen/ator (and thus have more experience) you are given command of all votes of the party per the Führerprinzip. I, personally, would only remain in the party as long as your voting/etc. adheres to the ideology.

Does this sound satisfactory?

>>12354
>Out of the question, I can't even find any information related to your party.
>>12375
"I look forward to crushing you." Was the only thing I have ever said to them, Xeno.

As former senator, co owner, and eventually owner of the NSDAP, I commend this party and wish it like, despite /sen/'s obvious corruption.