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File: a52ad1fd815cf2c⋯.mp4 (7.9 MB, 480x360, 4:3, Comissioning the Enterpris….mp4)

c5964d No.818

How does that make you feel?

33d752 No.821

Yeah, about that… the "this engine" part really takes the ring out of it. Maybe if this were a story about engineering it would make sense but barring that I can't really blame them.

It's a little sad. At this rate, Cochrane will never be quoted again. He'll be retconned along with blood-wine, porthos, and the entire ferengi race.

rip startrek 1996-2005


c5964d No.822

File: 765f22039a667f9⋯.png (711.02 KB, 959x719, 959:719, Picture-196.png)

>>821

>He'll be retconned along with blood-wine, porthos, and the entire ferengi race.

Chances are the writers don't even know who ol' Zef is. At the current moment in STD's time, he's busy wondering how to keep from going bananas on his own and completely missing every hint the Companion sends his way. He should be safe on his little planet with his alien cloud/spinster hybrid wife.


64e027 No.879

File: e51cde8da3cf25d⋯.jpg (51.33 KB, 600x600, 1:1, 1284288541226.jpg)

>>818

>How does that make you feel?


c21674 No.882

How does it make you feel Jonathan Archer's command is an blatant act of (((nepotism))) as symbolism for his father's work on the engine design, but now Discovery considers him one of the top five most decorated captains in Starfleet history up to 2256.


c5964d No.888

File: 48a7d417c29953e⋯.gif (2.9 MB, 200x170, 20:17, startrekjemhadaaruhuh.gif)

>>879

>Yoda


c5964d No.889

File: 5da7e4301146654⋯.jpg (21.51 KB, 560x429, 560:429, ren stimpy vs gas.jpg)

>>882

>Jonathan Archer's command is an blatant act of (((nepotism))) as symbolism for his father's work on the engine design, but now Discovery considers him one of the top five most decorated captains in Starfleet history up to 2256.

Yes, it's nepotism, a little, but Archer was probably already on the shortlist of candidates. He applied himself like a sumbitch to be ready for when the Vulcans finally said "Oh, well, I suppose we can let them try warp 4." Talking with a hallucinogen-deranged Trip in episode 3 reveals that Starfleet training is very rigorous, including resisting mind-altering substances…although apparently Trip failed that one.

I think Archer was probably their version of astronaut Chris Hadfield; he knew what he wanted to be at an early age and started working towards it.


c21674 No.890

>>889

>Starfleet training is very rigorous, including resisting mind-altering substances

>let's give all the recruits LSD field course

where do i sign up?


c5964d No.899

File: 42faee75976bb6a⋯.png (210.23 KB, 409x287, 409:287, Screenshot_1.png)

File: b04ba128c123725⋯.jpg (58.74 KB, 160x168, 20:21, CptRobertApril.jpg)

File: 6bcd9a50cc7a766⋯.png (108.04 KB, 376x297, 376:297, decker.png)

>>882

>but now Discovery considers him one of the top five most decorated captains in Starfleet history up to 2256.

Look at these names. These fucks are holding tight to continuity in some areas, completely disregarding them in others. Make up your minds!

Everyone knows Archer. Georgiou, and Pike at this point.

April (represented in some pics by Gene Roddenberry) was the first captain of the Enterprise NCC-1701. So he's currently in charge of this era's Enterprise which means, at some point, we can watch THAT get desecrated as well.

Commodore Matt Decker was the poor bastard who went all Cap'n Ahab when his ship and crew were destroyed by the alien doomsday machine. His son was Willard Decker, the guy who had a fetish for bald chicks.


c5964d No.900

File: f8b319fd793b559⋯.jpg (24.63 KB, 320x240, 4:3, 320x240.jpg)

>>899

Shit. Forgot Matt.


c5964d No.904

>>899

>April (represented in some pics by Gene Roddenberry) was the first captain of the Enterprise NCC-1701. So he's currently in charge of this era's Enterprise which means, at some point, we can watch THAT get desecrated as well.

Actually, upon further thought, it's probably Pike in command of the Enterprise at this point.


001e8b No.905

>tfw when you are reminded how close this otherwise-derided show still was to Trek


c5964d No.908

>>905

Watching it for the first time since the early 00s. I'm ashamed how much work they put into it that I completely failed to notice the first time around. They deserves a longer run.


33d752 No.909

>>908

I really don't know why this show gets such a bad rap. I would take ENT over VOY any day of the week. Better acting, better casting, better writing. It's no DS9 but damn if it doesn't do its job (most of the time). So, perhaps more like:

>tfw voyager got double the seasons enterprise did


c3d33f No.917

>>909

VOY took any wind in the sails for ENT out; only hope was for a strong first season or two and that didn't happen.


c5964d No.923

>>909

>I really don't know why this show gets such a bad rap.

Speaking only for myself, I was grumpy about it being a prequel. I wanted to go forward into the future, not back. Now that it's all over and done, I can appreciate all the work they did. I feel bad for not giving it more attention.

I remember a piece on some entertainment show where they had a soundbite from the actor who played Trip. He was in uniform, on set, and obviously devastated and a little angry. He kept his spaghetti in and managed to diplomatically say that he thought they deserved a little more time to turn it around.


ce0bc6 No.1022

>>909

I seriously think the theme tune had quite a bit to do with it. First impressions are everything.

The sequel to Life on Mars, Ashes to Ashes, was regarded as the inferior retarded second cousin until midway through series 2, solely because they decided to make the first episode the comedy episode, for some insane reason.


4538e8 No.1024

>>923

That's fucking adorable, it's always heartwarming to hear when the actor's got a bit of passion for the show. You can tell when they do and don't, too.

>>1022

>the theme tune

I had a really negative instant reaction to that, too, but I wasn't gonna let it keep me from watching. After a season in I couldn't stop myself from singing along. I'm not exactly proud but I'm not ashamed, either.


61b263 No.1031

>>1024

>You can tell when they do and don't, too.

Absolutely. Right now, I'm pretty sure STD Micki's actor absolutely hates the job.

>>1022

>I seriously think the theme tune had quite a bit to do with it. First impressions are everything.

I came to love it, but I know it was widely panned by other fans. I think it was the fact that the last 4 versions were instrumentals that fit the theme of the show, and everyone was expecting that, again.

Star Trek and ST:TNG themes were very much "We will boldly go!" DS9's theme sounded like "We're still standing, motherfuckers!" And Voyager's was "We're alone and we miss home!" Listen to them if you don't believe me. The composers were spot on.


148a42 No.1364

>>923

I hated that it was a prequel too. I definatly don't think that it helped with the first season being the weakest and having the most continuity fuckery episodes. I don't think it was five episodes in before the Ferenghi showed up and I dropped it entirely.

I only recently watched it in the entirity earlier this year and after that first season it really does start to pick up and become a pretty good show. Someone earlier said it was better than Voyager and I'd agree with that wholeheartedly.


61b263 No.1365

File: 5fd75c24c549162⋯.mp4 (301.41 KB, 320x240, 4:3, startrek Q 'Don't Provoke ….mp4)

>>1364

So would I. With the exception of the Doctor, I never really cottoned to the crew of Voyager. I didn't give shit one about Paris, Kim, Janeway, Torres, Seven, Chakotay, Kess, or Tuvok. I did occasionally enjoy Neelix, but he always found ways to get up my nose. Adding Echeb to the crew as "Borg Wesley" didn't help. Even Q was a bit neutered when dealing with Janeway.


4538e8 No.1371

>>1365

I liked Janeway and Seven sometimes, when the writers didn't just put them on autopilot, but I totally feel you there. They lacked any spark of humanity. The writing was halfassed and the actors didn't exactly pick up the slack, by and large. I couldn't connect with any of those facsimiles of people and find the show unwatchable as a result. Why watch voyager when there's fifteen collective seasons of TNG and DS9?


61b263 No.1373

>>1371

And Paris and Kim's friendship could grate at times. Especially when Harry was killed and Tom just picked right up with parallel Harry.


350be2 No.1375

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>>1373

Paris and Kim felt like what would happen if robots tried to write human TV. Imitating human behaviour, not quite nailing it. Like Tommy Wiseau's The Room, except instead of being written by an acrual alien it's just an incompetent human writing staff.


61b263 No.1376

File: ba8590371e3c7b2⋯.mp4 (3.45 MB, 640x360, 16:9, The Disaster Artist Teaser….mp4)

>>1375

I want to see vid related, but I don't want to give Rogan and Franco theater-sheckels.


61b263 No.1377

>>1376

>>1375

By the way, does anyone REALLY, REALLY want to see what Tommy Wiseau could do with a science fiction movie? Or is it just me?


61b263 No.1378

File: 51a71deab2e22d2⋯.mp4 (6.1 MB, 640x360, 16:9, Star Wars with Tommy Wisea….mp4)

Can't stop watching Tommy Wiseau. Won't stop watching Tommy Wiseau.


df876d No.1480

File: 1f5f615886b68b6⋯.jpg (39.56 KB, 400x212, 100:53, manchuckhestonaghast.jpg)

>Watching STE again while doing some laundry

>Archer's been going through the Vulcan database, again

>"Let's go here," he says, smiling

>Less than ten minutes of episode time, later, he and T'Pol are tied back-to-back in chairs while rebels against the Vulcan-run puppet government smack them around

>"Again?" I think

>Suddenly realize that the Prime Directive came about directly from Archer and his crew's impatience and inability to spend a few days observing each planet's political climate and social mores before showing up and throwing gasoline on the fire

>Realize the writers probably did this deliberately at the time to show just how important the Prime Directive actually is

>mfw I remember hating this show for not being Star Trekkish enough without realizing they actually knew what they were doing


fff595 No.1489

>>1480

>mfw I remember hating this show for not being Star Trekkish enough without realizing they actually knew what they were doing

I consider you half right, but not completely. It was obvious that the writers wanted to explain how and why these things came about. Stories about inexperienced humans first attempts to explore the galaxy is a great way to explain why they had to create the prime directive to protect themselves, but also protect others from them (humans) meddling.

The problem with most episodes, is the writers tendency of using a sludge hammer for every nail. You know that horror trope where the only reason people get killed is because their stupid? That's basically applies here for everything, including away missions to uninhabited planets. I'm not asking for the prime directive here, just some basic common sense in a society more advance than are own. You can still create a sorta moral code for these people to follow, but just make demonstrably flawed, or at least precipitately flawed compared to the prime directive. Maybe when contacting a space age society, have a regulation to start contact by using radiowaves, sending beeps in prime numbers. It not only fulfils my requirement of a flawed system(in terms of star trek.) but is something we already search for when looking for life, along with being usable in the episode of the show we're talking about.

This of course is not to forget about how they writers wanted to explain every unimportant loose end. You remember that episode where La`forge (is that how you spell his name?) got a virus from a assignment before enterprise that starts turning him and his original team into a different species? Fairly sure STE had a episode on that (Or the very least, had a episode with something like it.) You know how DS9 did a anniversary episode where they time travel to trouble with tribles? They see Klingon of the original show and the crew goes "Those are klingons?" followed by "Did it happen this way or that way… Oh i know, retroactive virus!?" and worf just says "it's a long story.". STE decided to take that question, and make i believe a 2 part episode, explaining why STO klingon look different from TNG klingon. WE DON'T CARE! at least i don't.

As i said, sledge hammers for nails.


df876d No.1504

>>1489

>sending beeps in prime numbers

It's interesting, and definitely worth implementing, but what happens when you get a society just on the cusp of warp that hasn't produced an individual who says "Hey, have you guys ever really looked at the number 7?" You'd need to add some things from the other sciences, as well.

>WE DON'T CARE! at least i don't.

I cared. And it was good. Worf's embarrassment in the DS9 show matched the scenario perfectly.

>"By Kahless, we'll show those humans a thing or two now that we've stolen their secret weapon!"

>"What's happening?!"

>"My FOREHEAD!"


4b4f68 No.1506

The companion cured his radiation sickness and rejuvenated his youth.


df876d No.1511

>>1506

I know you're talking about Cochrane, but to whom are you replying? Or are you?


df876d No.1518

File: 68818175c518634⋯.jpg (16.82 KB, 320x320, 1:1, startrek barclay muh.jpg)

File: 07d468f72bf0cd0⋯.jpg (13.69 KB, 576x432, 4:3, startrek tupac.jpg)

>mfw I finally… finally… realized that "Faith of the Heart" isn't just some random "I will conquer all!" song, but rather was written specifically with Archer in mind.

"No they're not going to hold me down, no more,

"No they're not going to change my mind"

"They" are the Vulcans. I can't believe I never twigged to that.

Disclaimer: A lot of what I'm going to share is probably new to no one but me, so you can skip it. But, just in case…

The problem with this show, for me, has always been that showing the beginning of something can be interesting, but sometimes it just seems like a slap in the face to fans until they're able to view the whole, which we couldn't do in the pre-Netflix days where we would have to wait weeks or months for every episode.

For instance, one thing that always broke my almonds was the naked contempt and hostility of the Vulcans during every micrometer of the NX-01's voyage. What the hell was wrong with the writers? Didn't they know that Vulcan and Earth were friends who saw each other as different but equal?

Now I can see that Earth was, in the Vulcans' eyes, the equivalent of Canada giving India that nuclear reactor: the power of the gods in the hands of a pack of retarded monkeys that can't even into proper defecation and sanitation, let alone the power of the atom. Earth was a planet that somehow managed to figure out Warp 1 before it managed to figure out that no good deed goes unpunished, cosmically speaking.

So the Vulcans of Enterprise tried to teach Earth to take it slow, but did it in such an autistic and arrogant way that it made Earth push back, like a toddler stuck in a crib that figures out how to climb out and start playing with the Diaper Genie™.

By Spock's time, Earth had managed to win a grudging amount of freedom and respect, although casual speciesism on both sides was far from uncommon.

By the time of the movies, the Vulcans had come to realize that Humanity had actually outdone them on certain levels, and realized that they were the Yin to their Yang. They were stronger together than separate.

By TNG and Voyager, both sides had grown together, and if they didn't always see eye-to-eye, they respected each other's opinions and beliefs, and were the races one thought of above all other when one heard "the Federation." The Vulcans still found the open displays of emotion to be irritating as hell, but had come to realize there probably wasn't anyway to change the humans, so logic dictated learning to live with it. Tuvok held Janeway in high esteem, even if she did tend to baffle the shit out him most of the time.

By old Spock's time, things had progressed to true friendship between the races, with the Vulcans actually loosening up, slightly. There was probably more human-vulcan mixing as well.

In the far-flung future of the series, I wouldn't be surprised if the two eventually birthed a third race not dissimilar to Romulans, except with community instead of domination as their goal.


fff595 No.1633

>>1504

this reply is late, but here it is.

<sending beeps in prime numbers

>It's interesting, and definitely worth implementing, but what happens when you get a society just on the cusp of warp that hasn't produced an individual who says "Hey, have you guys ever really looked at the number 7?" You'd need to add some things from the other sciences, as well.

Then communication has failed, either move on; use the next communication method; or come up with a new way.

Prime numbers are just one of the simplest ways to figuring out if something is artificial or naturally occurring. There currently is no known way of figuring out prime numbers with a formula except brute forcing it.

>I cared. And it was good. Worf's embarrassment in the DS9 show matched the scenario perfectly.

Maybe i should rewatch it. I always found it flawed for trying to explain everything and not having the tact for it.


df876d No.1639

>>1633

>Then communication has failed, either move on; use the next communication method; or come up with a new way.

It might get pretty lonely out there if no one pics up. By the thousandth planet, you'd be reduced to landing and drawing stick figures while the natives hoot "Yes, we understand it's a seven; what about it?" into the universal translator.


d40598 No.1640

>>1639

>It might get pretty lonely out there if no one pics up

Oh well. It might get lonely if you can't kirk the local but less evolve female population because of a (一)directive but that stops Picard.

>By the thousandth planet, you'd be reduced to landing and drawing stick figures while the natives hoot "Yes, we understand it's a seven; what about it?" into the universal translator.

Alright? The objective is the to give a reason for the prime directive, without having people act stupid.




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