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 No.10291

How do you feel knowing this handsome son of a bitch killed your starfu?

 No.10300

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 No.10303

She never even got to become a ghost….


 No.10321

lumiya > mara jade


 No.10338

Never liked Mara Jade anyway.


 No.10358

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>>10303

Didn't she appear before Ben once as a force spirit in Legacy of the Force?

>>10321

Pretty good taste.

>>10338

You miserable cur.


 No.10364

Is Leon in Star Wars?


 No.10379

>>10364

…whatever


 No.10390

>>10291

Not really. It felt kind of fitting that she died that way. Better letting her get old and fat like Leia.


 No.10399

>>10358

fuck if I know, I thought she left her body behind. EU got pretty muddled towards the end


 No.10565

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>>10291

You got it the wrong way round, buddy.


 No.10572

>>10399

I love the old EU (while the new one is utter shit) but I honestly started losing track of things around 2010 mostly due to those shitty mandalorian stories. The lore was good what with its own language and culture shit but the stories were pretty shit. Karen Traviss was a hack, but she sure knew how to do some good lore building.

>>10565

My nigga


 No.10587

>>10572

So, you're saying Traviss is the George Lucas of the EU?


 No.10589

Caedus>Kylo Ren


 No.10590

>>10589

>darth edge vs darth tantrum

honestly neither is better than the other since they're the same exact character

- child of han

- kills someone important and part of the skywalker family

- was initially trained to be a jedi but then found an ancient evil and became edgelord mcdarkness

- defeated by a woman (we all know rey will beat ren)


 No.10597

>>10572

I dropped out of the EU during the Vong war. Dragged on too much and I lost interest.


 No.10598

>>10590

Caedus didn't turn darkside because he was a vader fanboy. He turned darkside for a greater cause and united the galaxy against a single threat. Himself.


 No.10631

>>10590

But Jacen was a full fledged knight, while Severus Solo was an apprentice. And Jacen got years if characterization, showing his change, while this Kilogram guy was popped out of nowhere.

>>10598

Actually his flowwalk stuff made him think that he was doing the right thing, unlike Vader, which he considered selfish, flawed. He rejected Darth Vader`s motivations, to end up going down the same path.


 No.10633

>>10631

Wasn't vader thinking he was doing the right thing? I forget if Anakin's ghost showed up for him or if it was the junkie skywalker


 No.10635

>>10633

Anakin was all about "muh wife, muh baby" He was being selfish. Caedus was "muh peace muh galaxy".

Anakin selfish desires was greatly described at the novelization of RSOT. When he and Palpy where at opera and Frank started his silly games about what you desire, Corellia and speeders.


 No.10637

>>10635

ah

why did Caedus care so much about the galaxy? Where did he get his messiah complex from?


 No.10656

>>10637

The experiences with the Vong war? Them visions? Something like that, don't remember actually.

But Caedus fall was built around sacrifice of the self for others, while Anakin was the sacrifice of the others toward the self. In the end Anakin was closer to the Sith philosophy than Jacen it seems.


 No.10886

>>10656

I actually respected Jacen a lot for his philosophy of self-sacrifice. He at least worked towards what he viewed was best and just. Arguably he was the most moral character when viewed through the lense that the Galaxy was natually chaotic and needed order


 No.10915

>>10637

Haven't read for years so might be a bit iffy about this, but here goes.

Basically put Jacen gets a crisis of conscience sometime after the Vong War, as a result of increasingly vague understanding of reality and morality due to his vongsense and mindfuckery by Vergere. Something something not understanding the force enough something something need to broaden horizons. A lot of jedi do a lot of soul searching during that war. So he goes off on a quest to learn alternative force theologies, kinda like a space Leonard Cohen going to space scientology meetups and space taoist temples.

The side effect of this quest is that Jacen gets an increasingly ambiguous view of morality and the force, having learned from as varied groups as the dark witches of Dathomir to the morally ambiguous Jensaari, to the cult of the Theran Listeners and the crazy old Fallanassi. Note that Jacen had basically saved the galaxy from the Yuuzan Vong and the Vong from the galaxy, and at this point STILL considered himself a student. The guy had a pretty big hard on for still being insignificant and weak, which ended up having the same effect as if he had been overly power hungry and ambitious, to seek more and more knowledge and skill. I think he also learned from the Kel Dor force cult, can't remember their name but they specialised in electricity or something. He increasingly became focused on these teachings in the hopes of being able to save the galaxy (which really was the only life he knew) such that the Fallanassi were suspicious of him and felt he had a darkness within him (their order was around balance, they would contentedly watch the galaxy burn if it was what was meant to be while Solo just HAD to save everybody).

Then the swarm war comes, and things get more and more morally ambiguous. Solo starts taking more and more aggressive action and seizing more and more power to help him get into places where his talents can help.

Some stuff happened after dark nest crisis but eventually Solo sits down and talks with a Sith Lady called Lumiya, who openly offered to teach him sith techniques that he could used in a manner detached from the dark side of the force in an attempt to bring peace. Solo saves this sith lady from another jedi, who Lumiya then agrees to allow her to take Lumiya into custody, Solo has a vision of what happens in that timeline (ends with him killing Luke Skywalker, lots of fucked up shit happening) so he kills Dinn and kills her for THE GREATER GOOD.

Things basically go downhill from there, but to the end Jacen is doing things for the sake of the greater good. His story is basically one of selfish selflessness, that he did terrible things for the sake of a stable galaxy (his own selfish desire).

Oh, he also got to mindfuck tahiri by making her addicted to visions of his little brother. Also, his twin bond returned right before he died, letting him warn Tenel Ka, and he let himself be struck down, refusing to kill his sister in revenge for his fatal wounds at her hands.

I missed a lot for the sake of brevity and probably got a few details wrong, but that is a very rough explanation of his messiah complex and how he fell.


 No.10916

>>10915

we lost all this in exchange for a vader fanboy


 No.10917

>>10916

Note that those were only the crib notes. There was a lot I skipped, such as the whole Tenel Ka Djo/Jacen Solo/ Allana Solo Djo dynamic that served as the human side of Jacen's fall, the details of the twin bond, Jacen's mindfucks surround his brother and Vergere being a fucking spook, Ben Skywalker as Jacen's apprentice and so on.

Jacen might have been handled by some very shit writers, but he was a genuinely interesting take on a fall compared to most others. Add to that the fact that he was genuinely intimidating in that while most jedi were level 1-10 clerics or monks and most sith were level 1-10 beserkers or warlocks Jason was trotting around as a max level wizard who rule lawyered the core book while still managing to be a flawed enough character to not go into mary sue territory and you have an interesting character.

Oh, and the whole reason that Jacen was struck down was that he lowered his guard to war Tenel Ka through the force, even knowing that doing so would give Jaina the opening to kill him. The fucker wasn't killed by his own hubris like most sith in the EU, he sacrificed himself (which was the core of his philosophy all along, sacrificing his name and heritage for the sake of peace) to protect those he loved. Unlike Vader for example who sacrificed others to try and protect those he loved, and only found redemption in that final self sacrifice.

A somewhat popular discussion by some older Star Wars EU fans (as in, off the online communities and in some old mailing groups) is if Jacen's entire run as Darth Caedus is that of a redeemed sith lord. His character is entirely built around forsaking himself, condemning himself to be a monster for the sake of others, which is often how sith in the universe redeem themselves if they die well.


 No.10935

>>10917

Yeah he was a 10/10 villain in my book. I was actually hoping he would win in the final book. It was sad he lost


 No.10953

>finished re-reading Legacy of the Force again

>Realise it's not even an alternate universe

>It's just fucking gone


 No.10956

>>10953

what's funny is almost all of the books in that series that weren't written by karen traviss were top 10 sellers on the ny times' list

shows what a hack she is


 No.10958

>>10956

Oh with hers I had to skip one because fucking NOTHING happened (Sequel to bloodlines whatever it was, where it's Han and Leia discovering that gasp the rebels are being rebels) and her other read like fucking fan fiction for sucking Mando'a dick


 No.10965

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Reminder that Jacen lost to the high ground.


 No.10976

>>10958

>read like fucking fan fiction for sucking Mando'a dick

yeah that's kt for you


 No.11093

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>>10958

>>10965

>Jaina training with Boba Fett on how take down/kill force users

>a guy whose father was unceremoniously beheaded by Mace Dindu

>only one jedi killed on the big screen (Coleman Trebor)

>was a kid when the jedi where wiped out

>not with Luke, the guy who faced the Order of the Sith Lords at their peak and survived

>the guy who faced Wankatine and survived

>no, let's take lessons from the guy who was eaten by a giant sand vagina

Sigh.


 No.11111

>>11093

to be fair Boba took on Vader and put up a decent fight.


 No.11117

>>11111

nice quints

almost nobody knows of that comic.


 No.11143

>>11111

He managed to survive against Vader. Not killing jedi as jedi hunter or something, just surviving against a sith. There is a whole world of difference between those 2 things.


 No.11194

>>11093

This is what pissed me off, well part of it, and the fact that at the END of the saga it's Boba Fett who saves the day (for fuck sake…He's cool but he's not fucking Vegeta.)

Also Jacen goes from cold calculating badass in one novel to whiney teen when she writes him. I start being all "Jacen has to be the fucking best Sith" and then I'll read her take on him and it's almost Kylo Ren tier but not as funny/good.

This novel should have been Jaina and Ben training under Luke or fuck you know what? I'd take force ghost Anakin Skywalker or Mara Jade popping up and training them or even fucking Quinlan Vos or K'Kruhk!


 No.11271

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

Invincible fanfilm. Thoughts?


 No.11326

>>11271

I won't be able to watch it at the moment but the comments make it out to be pretty good, it's on my radar.


 No.11449

>>11326

S'really good


 No.11454

>>11271

is that selena gomez?




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