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 No.10485

Okay, I've been thinking about how best to improve The Force Awakens while still only minimally tweaking the actual plot, and I want to know what you fags think.

First let me address the elephant in the room that I'm not going to change- Rey's perceived "Mary Sue" nature. I find it annoying at times but not unbearable. Some of her traits have decent enough justifications, like her mechanic skillz- of course she's going to know her way around a space-wrench when her day job on Jakku is taking spaceships apart for scrap. Her flying is much harder to accept but that's just one strike. Then the big one, her force aptitude, could still be explained in a number of acceptable ways- she's Luke's daughter, she's a jedi yougling who had her memory altered, she was possessed by the force ghost of Obi-wan Kenobi, whatever. They can still salvage that. They could've (and should've) toned her down a good bit but ultimately she's not any less believable than a backwoods farmboy piloting a military fighter for the first time single-handedly destroying a cutting-edge space station with one shot.

My biggest issue, then, is not with Rey but with the First Order. They're Imperial knock-offs, posers on a galactic scale. And as a concept I actually like that. They could go some fun places with that. But it doesn't make sense for them with their resources to have a superweapon like that.The empire built the death star but with virtually infinite money; I'm expected to believe these fags built something a thousand times better on a shoestring budget? There's an easy way around that, of course- they found it. Darth Snookie doesn't real, he's just the holocron of an ancient sith master. Or maybe he is real he's just really old, or found some ancient sith textbook or something. He tells the First Order about this long-forgotten sith superweapon that they fix up and adopt.

Second is Phasma's betrayal and the fact that Starkiller base was so lightly defended, so let's kill two birds with one stone there. Instead of just a planetary shield, there's also a gravity well to keep ships from entering from hyperspace. The plan is for Han Solo to get past the gravity well flying the Millennium Falcon, because if there's one situation where a SW character is allowed to be Mary Sue as fuck, it's Han Solo flying the Millennium Falcon. There he and Finn capture Phasma as in canon, but instead of the shield she deactivates the gravity well, and only because she knows doing so would trigger a fleet-wide alarm. The Resistance sends both fighters and capital ships, the plan being for the fighters (X-wings AND Y-wings, because you don't send just dogfighters on a fucking bombing mission) to pass through the shield (which blocks capital ships and orbital bombardment but not the small fighters) and destroy the shield generator, so the capital ships could blast the fuck out of the thermal oscillator from space. But because of Phasma's alert, the First Order navy is waiting when they arrive. Epic space battle ensues.

A few fighters still get through and the attack on the shield generator goes mostly the same as the thermal oscillator in canon, but Poe is re-routed to lead the assault on the First Order flagship to break the navy's ranks long enough for the Resistance capital ships to bomb the actual thermal oscillator once the shield is down. That way he gets his own glory for that while Han and Chewie bomb the shield generator from the inside.

All that happens, Resistance wins yadda yadda but the First Order puts up one hell of a fight.

Thoughts?

 No.10491

not bad

here's my thoughts on things

rey - my theory is that she was a padawan at luke's academy, and received some training, possibly even learning to do shit like mind tricks and use the force to grab objects. when kylo ren came and fucked shit up, luke stashed her on jakku, wiped her memory and was somehow able to cripple her connection to the force. also, for your tidbit on luke, he was already a decent pilot by the time episode 4 came (specifically able to target small objects) around and had training from obi-wan (along with his ghost providing insight during the battle). so yeah it's a lot more believable when we see him accomplish something (blocking the training remote's shots) as opposed to rey literally just starts using the force to fuck around. also, with the flying bit - it isn't explained in the film but instead in a book that rey found a flight simulator and would dick around with it from time to time. imo when she was eating her food and put on the helmet (this is what it was supposed to imply, the name on the helmet is RAE fyi, that was the pilot it belonged to), the scene should have shown her getting on the simulator as well, with a sort of high score list of her with each spot increasing.

like you said, the first order is really empire wannabes. as for the starkiller, i assume they've spent more of their resources on that over the 30 years than troops or ships (hence why there are only the ep 4 tie fighters and like 3 variations of stormtroopers at most). it took the empire almost the full 20 years to build the death star, makes sense that it would take the first order just a little longer to convert a planet. snoke being a holocron is dumb as fuck, he's space voldemort/gollum and is meant to be an old human who became physically deformed from using the dark side of the force so much.

i got nothing on phasma, she had no purpose in the movie and i can't see any way to salvage her. at the very least a confirmation of death or something (even though she is confirmed to be alive and a bigger antagonist for episode 8).

as for the resistance, again it isn't explained in the movie (apparently it's a deleted scene), but the republic really isn't big on supporting the resistance, so leia is only able to gather what she can for financial support, hence the resistance only having a small x-wing fleet. there are no capital ships, cut that out.


 No.10498

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>have Poe join Finn and Rey for the majority of the movie. He stays with finn after the crash. That way our new trio actually seems like a trio and not "Rey and Finn. And the afterthought."

>Han actually teaches Rey about the Falcon before she starts Mcguyvering it

>Kylo keeps his helmet on

>after the trooper lets rey go, theres a scene to suggest he wasn't really mind tricked, he was just tired as fuck and was sick of dealing with this shit and ran with what she was trying to pull.

>the fight at the end has luke show up, take his old saber and beat the shit out of kylo. Still a deus ex machina but not nearly as bad as what we have now

I'd say replace TR-80R with Phasma, but the meme magic is already too strong with him. It is sad that those five things I suggested really would've made this a much better movie. And every change would be to soften the blow that was MaRey Sue.


 No.10506

I think Phasma could be redeemed if she ended up turning traitor like Finn. If she had her own doubts about the First Order it would explain why she gave in to them so easily on the shield and why she didn't call him out for a duel during the attack.

Personally I would have preferred a big fleet-on-fleet action for the end battle, but I can see they needed a fixed location for Han and Kylo's encounter.

Another thing I wanted addressed is the economy of Jakku. People are trading in scavenged parts for food rations, ok. But if they're so poor they can barely eat how can she afford to run a bigass land speeder?


 No.11418

>>10498

>>after the trooper lets rey go, theres a scene to suggest he wasn't really mind tricked, he was just tired as fuck and was sick of dealing with this shit and ran with what she was trying to pull

Terrible idea, pull something like in ANH where they let her go.


 No.11448

>>10506

2 traitors is too much. Phasma should have done a better job, maybe actually leading the attack and chasing the falcon in her own personal ship




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