No.17
The Star Destroyer. Great SCI-fi ship, or greatest sci-fi ship?
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No.19
Just look at this thing
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No.120
Such a waste.
No.123
No.136
No.137
>>120Speaking of a waste.
No.140
>>138>>137Like a knife cutting butter.
Isn't it beautiful?
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No.438
Great design.
Too bad the only thing you see it do in the movies and EU is get its ass kicked.
No.452
No.512
>>452>all these tiny little Imperators>not one GRORIOUS EMPIRE level BattlecruiserFOR
SHAME
No.514
>>512I've never seen that thing before.
Is it from a game?
No.515
Greatest faggot
No.517
>>514it was originally just some hi res models a guy made as a fan, but that canonized them with the Guide to Warfare.
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Ansel_Hsiao No.532
>>517I don't see how the Empire was meant to have lost if they had stuff like that.
No.533
I like the Eclipse in some pictures.
I saw a good one on Deviant Art but I can't find it now. Someone tried to use it as a fake Episode VII leak.
No.534
No.535
Thoughts on Rebels making it that Star Destroyers fly close to a planet's surface?
No.537
>>535I don't see why not, I mean, we've seen a massive ship enter/fall over Coruscant in episode III and, if anything it would serve damn well as an intimidation tactic. Just imagine seeing that massive metal hulk flying over your planet, covering everything in shadows.
No.538
>>537It was the prequels that introduced the idea. In the original trilogy you only ever seen them in space, that might have been due to technical limitations though.
No.544
>>532it's not easy to hide the location of something like that, so guerrilla operations could easily avoid them.
No.552
>>17>Capable of laying waste to entire worlds (provided those worlds did not have planetary shields), the Imperial-class became infamous as the prime enforcer of Imperial ruleThe EU claims this but I don't buy it at all.
Star Destroyers don't even seem that strong from the movies and when you see them in Rebels when they get close to the surface it would take them decades to "lay waste" to an entire planet.
No.553
>>552can destroy worlds
can be easily defeated by ion cannons and blowing up their testicles
No.555
>>552Depends.
Does "destroy worlds" mean melt the surface, or just seriously fuck up every major population center? Because their cannons (plus the orbital positioning) would make it trivial to systematically raze a defenseless world in short order, even if the destroyer was working alone.
No.556
>>555If a single Star Destroyer can wreck a planet what use is the Death Star?
>>553Ion Cannons are another thing, what would happen if they were used against a Death Star?
No.557
No.558
>>556It can fuck up population centers, but that's not as impressive as"you will never live here again"
No.1879
Not sure about this updated version.
No.1880
>>1879Initial impression is that it's shit. Will need to view it at more angles to know for sure.
No.1881
>>17Star Wars has the greatest sci-fi ships. No contest.
Except for that piece of shit Surronian cruiser from the Clone Wars. Adding Flying Saucers to Star Wars. Freaking fucks.
No.1886
>>1879The man sure has a thing for cyan lights
No.1890
what do y'all think about dead star destroyers?
No.1891
>>1890seeing that first crashed Star Destroyer sent shivers down my spine.
No.1893
>>1891yeah, that's about when I started grinning like an idiot
No.1894
>>137Now THATS a capital ship.
No.1899
>>1890One on the left looks like a Super Star Destroyer.
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No.1906
>>1904Wonder if they'll explain how Star Destroyers were crashing into a desert planet.
Be lame if they were just there.
No.1927
No.2286
>>556The Death Star can brobably crack planetary shields.
And it's also (in theory) completely impossible to defend against.
And it's also scary as fuck.
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Tarkin_Doctrine No.2294
>>538Does the neck on the Rebels Star Destroyer bother anyone like it does me?
>>534Old fucking picture…like one I used back in early 2000s
Executor was retconed to 19 kilometers by the story group and this figure hasn't been disputed since new canon came about.
>>1904I came in here to say this:
I'm excited by the prospect that we have in canon now that there was more then one Executor-class
I AM HYPE
No.2362
>>2294>Does the neck on the Rebels Star Destroyer bother anyone like it does me?They do a lot of exaggerations in the designs.
I don't really like the fat TIE fighters.
No.2404
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>>17>>17>what is an Executor-class Star Destroyer? No.2406
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No.2412
>>1879I feel like the prow is meant for ramming, now
No.2415
>>2412… "sir! the ship is lost! All power to the aft shields!"
"No! Set course for the New Republic flagship, all power to the engines, and activate the hyperdrive!"
What followed was a two lightyear stretched explosion of two giant battleships that collided at hyperspeed.
No.2416
>>2415good god I have an erection
No.2418
>>2415At night on some planets you can see a new constellation in the sky that spells "You Rebel Scum!"
No.2419
>>1879Looks like a sex aid on the front almost.
No.2423
>>2418and that's how the milky way was made!
>>2419whatever kind of sex you have sounds like it needs a construction permit
No.2864
Wonder if this beauty is canon anymore?
No.2899
>>2864
Mentioned in the Tarkin Book
No.2900
>>2864
Victory Class?
gotta wonder how they justify putting the bridge in such a vulnerable location.
No.2902
>>2900
Guns guns and more guns. Quite a lot of firepower for it's size.
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Although not really a Star Destroyer, this baby is responsible for enabling Imperials to track down Rebel Scum!
No.2907
>>2900
I thought the bridge was always located in that area on any class of Star Destroyer?
No.2921
>>2907
Protrudes more on the Victory.
Also that forward observation station sticking out.
No.2922
Take a look at the Emperor's throne room on the Death Star 2.
You'd think it would be in the center instead of external.
No.2939
>>2922
I understand from a storytelling reason why you'd have the emperor's throne room in it's own unique structure on the surface of the DS, but it makes no sense logically. Unless his tower also doubled as an escape rocket in case the station was about to explode. That's really the only rational reason there would be for it.
No.2941
>>2939
>>2922
I recall it was protected by several layers of capital ship strength shield generators, nothing was getting through that shit.
No.2944
>>2941
So was the Executor, and that didn't save it.
No.2967
>>2944
>Ignores fact Executor was getting hit by a fuckload of Mon Calamari Sushi bars, other Rebel Warships and ungodly Proton Torpedo spam by Starfighters.
It's shields only collapsed due to the Rebels literally throwing everything they had at it. Even then, the ship only went down due to sheer luck when a ballsy SOB rammed the bridge, causing the ship to go out of control during a combat maneuver. Otherwise it's implied that even with the loss of the bridge the ship would have remained in combat.
>tl;dr Rebel Plot Armour Strikes Back.
No.2975
>>2967
>>2944
That was also a single projected to cover the entire ship, imaging multiple shields of the same strength concentrated to cover just that tower.
No.2983
>>2967
The battle scene is not well communicated on screen. We never actually see the SSD really doing anything.
No.3054
I know it's just a movie (and done for certain reasons), but the Rebels really should have lost the battle of Endor.
No.3055
>>3054
The Emperor goofed, acted like a dumbass making villain speeches instead of focusing on the battle.
No.3056
Wish there was a better scan of this.
No.3059
>>3055
Not even just that, it's the fact that an elite legion of Stormtroopers with armored assistance got defeated by koalas and a ragtag group of guerrilas. The fact that a ragtag fleet took on multiple Star Destroyers and an SSD and still somehow won. The fact that even without Palpatine's battle meditation, there was still that Grand Admiral force user doing the same. The fact there were no turbolasers on the surface of the Death Star II. THE FACT THAT THE INTERCEPTORS CHASING THE MILLENNIUM FALCON NEVER FIRED A SHOT AND CHOSE SIMPLY TO CHASE IT.
No.3060
>>3059
>movies
The way the new canon seem to be angling it the Empire was never really that powerful and building the Death Star was a desperation move to keep control of the galaxy.
No.3066
You have to wonder, why would there even be Capital ships when Ion Cannons can take them out with two hits?
Why wouldn't every fight be between lightspeed capable fighters?
No.3068
>>3059
Apparently as soon as the Executor got destroyed, nevermind the Death Star II the Imperials all chickened out.
No.3077
>>3066
That was a fuck off huge planetary defense cannon.
No.3082
Reminder that the Imperators were never even intended to be full-size battlecruisers.
They were pocket warships, for economy of force on patrol.
Mile-long economy of force.
No.3083
>>3082
That is nonsense, the entire concept behind the "Star Destroyer" name was having a warship with enough firepower to lay waste to an entire populated star system on its own.
No.3088
>>3083
>populated system
only in the sense of "one spaceport and a shitload of farmers"
It's a (relatively) cheap and diminutive ship, mass-producable to provide scalable force at any location in the galaxy. It's hardly designed to go gun-to-gun with no support in a real battle, that's why they would patrol in groups.
For REAL fights, the Empire had battlecruisers, but since they'd cock-slapped anyone who dared resist them, they didn't have much cause to employ them. A battlecruiser isn't fast enough in terms of response time to chase guerrillas, a nimbler group of smaller destroyers was better suited to that task.
No.3089
>>3083
also, "Star Destroyer" doesn't literally mean "Destroyer of Stars"
it's a goddamn class, the destroyer, that goes in between stars.
like a star cruiser is a cruiser. in the stars.
No.3090
>>3088
>>3089
>It's a (relatively) cheap and diminutive ship, mass-producable to provide scalable force at any location in the galaxy. It's hardly designed to go gun-to-gun with no support in a real battle, that's why they would patrol in groups.
I really don't understand where you are getting this idea. The Star Destroyers were mass produced, but that doesn't make them cheap or diminutive. They are far bigger than anything the Republic or CIS had at their disposal during the Clone Wars, and blew everything the Rebellion had out of the water as well. While the Mon Calamari Cruisers had stronger shields, they were largely out gunned by Star Destroyers.
>it's a goddamn class, the destroyer, that goes in between stars.
Yet it doesn't fit the mission profile of a destroyer whatsoever, slapping the destroyer classification on it just because of the name Star Destroyer is one of the more asinine things some EU authors have done. It has heavy armor and shields, a large number of big guns, high endurance, and a large hanger that holds around 100 starfighters. If you were going to classify it as anything using modern naval terms, it would be a heavy cruiser/carrier combination.
No.3092
>>3090
>>3089
>Splits up the words Star and Destroyer
>Believes that it isn't a literal translation when it is.
Star Destroyer are what Star Wars calls Battleships/Battle Carriers. It should be said and treated as one word. Granted that Star Wars plays lose with classifications of warships, but the iconic Imperial Star Destroyer has always been seen as a Battleship class of warship.
>Star Wars thinks Cruisers are smaller and less powerful than Destroyers, wut?
Mon Calamari Sushi Bars are probably the only Large Capital Ship with anywhere near the correct classification.
No.3094
>>3068
I think the new canon will fill this out and explain what happened.
If Rebels is anything to go by then the Empire is horribly inept.
No.3095
>>3092
imperial
victory
super
i'm not very knowledgeable on warship classification but it seems to me they have their shit down.
No.3097
>>3092
I'd say it fits the profile of heavy cruiser a bit more than battleship, due to the ability to go on long independent deployments.
>Mon Calamari Sushi Bars are probably the only Large Capital Ship with anywhere near the correct classification.
They aren't technically warships at all, they are modified luxury star liners with huge shield generators and some weapons bolted on. They are pretty perfect for what the Rebels needed in a capital ship, something that could jump in, absorb a pounding while it did a hit and run, and then get the fuck out of there before the shields dropped.
No.3101
>>3090
My source is the Guide to Warfare, where it spells my position out.
Go read a book.
No.3102
>>3101
If it is a book that tries to call the Star Destroyer something it blatantly isn't, then it isn't a very good book.
No.3106
>>3102
>first movie
>one ISD chasing Tantive IV
>later, TWO ISD providing support for a search in a known area on a lightly populated planet
sure, I was wrong all along :^)
No.3112
>>3106
I don't understand, do you think you are being smart or something? Both of those are traditional cruiser missions, not destroyer ones. Besides, the ISD still does not fit the profile of a destroyer whatsoever.
Unless you want to try and go off the modern role that the destroyer has fallen into, which are now the heaviest combat ships in general use in modern navies. But you are clearly operating under the traditional definition, and the Star Destroyer doesn't fit that whatsoever.
No.3113
>>3112
Maybe the Star Wars universe has a differing definition of destroyer
No.3114
>>3112
it matters less what the navies of earth call a destroyer, their application as a "pocket warship" is clear, I cited a fucking source, don't try to no true scotsman me
No.3117
>>3113
Everything else points to them using classifications in line with WWII navies.
>>3114
This isn't academia, Star Wars is a cluster fuck when it comes to technical details. There are probably 10 other technical manuals/guides out there that all contradict each other all over the place, because they are attempting to rationalize a fictional universe which doesn't have a very big focus on realism. You also have authors who have no idea what they are talking about, running with ideas and details which are just factually incorrect.
Also no, you are not using the term "pocket warship" correctly either. That concept came from interwar German heavy cruisers which were skirting around treaty limits and were effectively battleships in everything but name. The Empire doesn't have any naval treaties to get around, that concept has no bearing on them at all. Star Destroyers are what they are; the heaviest mainline warships in general use, built for long term independent operation in a variety of roles. Aside from having the hangar capacity of a modern super carrier, they best match the profile of a traditional heavy cruiser or battlecruiser.
No.3118
>>3117
Yeah they tend to pull whatever term out their asses and hope it sticks. Hell in some sources they call the CR-90 a Cruiser instead of a Corvette.
Overall though Star Destroyers are vessels that have enough firepower to lay waste to a star system; it is not a term to describe Destroyers necessarily (and yes this was in 2007 Starship Source book, check it up.). Which is why you get so many ships of varying size and capability called Star Destroyers. It's one big clusterfuck of terms.
No.3119
The clusterfuck that is the term "Star Destroyer" in a nutshell.
Nearly every single vessel you see in this chart (with a few obvious exceptions) are classed as Star Destroyers
>Star Wars Cites that the vessels here ranging from under 300m to over 35,000m in length are all Star Destroyers.
No.3120
>>3119
>>3118
Yeah, "warship with enough firepower to lay waste to a star system" is the only definition that could possibly make sense in universe.
No.3121
>>3117
nothing about this invalidates my point regarding their use.
as far as the empire was concerned, the ISD was the tiny little ship it could send anywhere there was trouble, because it had shitloads of them and they could work independently for limited operations
No.3122
>>3121
Except your point relies on things that are just factually incorrect. The ISD is not small by any stretch of the definition, it is bigger than almost everything used in the Clone Wars by a wide margin and the only bigger ships the Empire had were one offs or only had a few dozen examples made at most. They were ships the Empire could send anywhere because they had the firepower to fight off just about anything single handed, they shitloads of them because the Empire had the industry might of an entire Galaxy, and they could work independently for EXTENDED operations.
No.3123
>>3122
I don't think you have a good grasp of military operations. The battlecruisers are there, and they're hardly one-offs, but they're used for directed operations against entrenched enemies, or defense of strategic targets such as major population centers or shipyards. Much like Kuat deployed their cruisers.
For COIN operations, like the fight against the rebellion often was, small, mobile ships were preferable. The fact that the ISD dwarfed competition speaks more to the enemy economic situation than the philosophy employed.
No.3124
>>3123
These battlecruisers you keep going on about, where are they anywhere in the movies or the EU? Because they only show up in Dark Empire in limited numbers, instead ISDs are the ship universally used in the roles you just described everywhere else. On top of that almost all of the Empire's biggest warships are called Star Destroyers as well, including that battlecruiser. It being called a battlecruiser seems to be derived from it not having a hangar bay, thus it only has big guns to work with.
>The fact that the ISD dwarfed competition speaks more to the enemy economic situation than the philosophy employed.
If they just dwarfed the Rebellion's early efforts you might have a point, but that isn't the case. They are larger and outgunned just about everything used by the CIS and Republic during the Clone Wars, as well as being larger and outgunning the Mon Calamari Cruisers. Even the later ones which were built as dedicated warships, following the formation of the New Republic.
No.3125
>>3124
even as early as 2003 the fucking vehicle guides werepointing out how the Venators were TINY FUCKING SHIPS by galactic standards
pull your head out of your ass, this isn't news
No.3126
>>3125
Seeing as the Venators didn't first appear until 2005, I'd say that is a ridiculous claim. I also don't understand why you are so hung up on using the vehicle/technical guides as an end all source, when they regularly contradict what is being portrayed on screen and in the actual EU content.
No.3131
>>3126
2002 guide made mention that dorsal towers were only used on smaller KDY ships, and that their home defense dreadnaughts were far larger, which applies to the Venator by proxy. True, I did mean to say 2002 and Acclamator, but the point still stands.
And if you're going to talk shit about my sources, how about you bring up a specific counter, rather than just saying "the EU"?
No.3138
>>3131
Well the Acclamator is a pretty small ship, its basically the equivalent of an amphibious assault ship. The claim that everything with a dorsal tower is a small ship doesn't hold up, as every up to Super Star Destroyers have dorsal towers. Do they mean that specific style of tower? If so then I would say the Venator has a different style, as it has two separate bridge towers that both perform different roles.
As for counter examples, its hard to cite any one specific thing. Your claims of the ISD not being heavy warships contradict the entire body of the EU and what is shown in the movies. Only a few authors have tried to slap the destroyer classification onto them when it doesn't fit.
No.3144
>>3138
the only exception from the movies was the Endor battle. Every other action we see them in is either somehting a smaller, more mobile ship would be ideal for (Policing Tatooine, chasing the Falcon) or in support of a larger ship (Hoth, with the Executor).
Endor had the Executor as well, but that's the one case where I'd argue larger ships should have been present.
Of course, we could handwave that as "the larger ships weren't shown on-screen" but it really comes down to those ships hadn't existed yet, in our world.
And before you try to make that an argument, remember the Tarkin Doctrine hadn't existed at the time SWVI came out either, but nobody's casting doubt on that…
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No.5538
>>5536
Did people get banned for it yet? Rockstar hate mods.
No.5540
In the movies Star Destroyers are faster than the Falcon or than the Tantive IV, how is that possible ? Aren't they supposed to be capital ships and slower than fighters or small freighters like the Falcon ?
No.5543
>>5540
In space weight is meaningless of course being a movie they don't really follow that.
No.5546
>>5540
The Falcon is fast in hyperspace, but it's still a freighter in sublight. It's souped up and tricked out, yeah, but the scene you're thinking of, the destroyers were in orbit as a good speed already, intending to do just what they did: swing around the planet and come up on the falcon's ass fast as all hell.
The blockade runner, well, maybe they just got unlucky, since outrunning imp ships is their entire business
>>5536
fuckin neato
No.5785
>>5783
not too shabby, the asymmetric design of the tower is interesting
is that a ship of some sort coming out from a hidden bay at that lip near the prow?
No.5787
>>5783
it looks neat but i can't accept it because it's just recycled content
i'd like to imagine that this first order didn't just say to themselves "how can we be perceived as a new thread but sticking to the old ways?" and not just going "fuck it, let's add some stripes"
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No.5794
One blown up planet = Greater firepower than half the star fleet.
No.5796
>>17
Anons am I wrong in wanting to make love to a Star Destroyer?
No.5803
>>5796
I've jacked off to ratbat's stuff, so if you're wrong I'm wronger
No.5866
>>5794
Was the end of ROTJ meant to be the entire Imperial fleet?
No.5867
>>5866 [executed]
not even slightly
No.5877
>>5866 [executed]
More like a small planetary defense fleet.
No.5880
>>5866
No. This makes no sense btw. Why would the destruction of the Death Star would mean the end of the Empire.
Luke didn't do anything Wedge and Lando were the one who did all the job
No.5885
>>5880
The Emperor died, leading to the entire Empire unraveling as he micromanaged every little detail of it.
No.5887
>>5885
it'd be hilarious to see the president try to account for the day-to-day operations of the entire state department
No.5890
>>5885
Huh no. No no. The Emperor couldn't be managing every detail of it since it was a GALACTIC Empire, you can't just have him manage everything.
At most he took in his own hands 5% of the most important affairs but man, you've to realize that empire was spanning at a GALACTIC scale
Impossible for one man to manage everything.
And the Empire must have had some kind of constitution that actually said who should take charge in case the Emperor died.
No.5893
>>5890
You are forgetting this is Palpatine we are talking about, the guy who meticulously orchestrated events on a galactic scale for decades just for his Empire to come into existence in the first place. He purposefully structured the Empire so he had effective control of it as possible. Him dying left a huge power vacuum that the various Moffs would tear each other apart over trying to fill it.
No.5900
>>5880
They tried to patch the glaring plot holes by saying that the cream of the Empire pretty much went up in smoke at the Battle of Endor, saying that they lost all of their competent Officers and a lot of their discipline.
However this a blatantly bullshit reason and doesn't stand up for longer than 5 seconds of scrutiny, so they came up with a barrage of reasons ranging from morale, massive insurrections and essentially Imperial Civil War as Admirals fought over who should become the next leader.
tl;dr Reasons.
No.5901
>>5900
>Imperial Civil War as Admirals fought over who should become the next leader.
now, see, THAT makes sense and it's really similar to, say, how the Mongol Empire fell
No.5904
>>5901
>mfw when we won't see Imperial Warlords duking it out in Disney's EU.
I remember when they said there were something like 15,000 active Imperial Class Star Destroyers in the Empire at it's peak, nevermind other warships. Actually now I said that, suddenly Episode VII makes some sense. Even with fracturing due to Warlords the Empire wouldn't be in a weakened state enough to be challenged properly for about 40 years.
No.5905
>>5885
Nope. Palpatine was mostly a off-hand ruler, secluded in the Imperial Palace doing his dark side shit.
>>5890
By the old EU, the senate would be the one who would choose the new emperor. Since the senate was disbanded, who knows?
No.5906
If the old RTOJ novelization could be still counted as canon.. the armada we saw in the battle of Endor was supposed to be the total forces of the Rebellion, all they had.
Actually the battle was so badly done. If they at least showed the imperial navy disbanding after the loss of the Executor and the Death Star it would make sense. After all the rebels where outnumbered, even without the Death Star and the Executor.
No.5907
>>5906
>the armada we saw in the battle of Endor was supposed to be the total forces of the Rebellion, all they had.
This was pretty much what was implied in the movie as well.
No.5908
>>5906
everyone forgets that the entire imperial chain of command was killed between the death star and the executor
No.5917
>>5908
pretty much every sector was self-governing, though, and I bet not even a significant proportion of the grand moffs were aboard at the time
No.5918
>>5917
That's kind of exactly the problem, and why the Empire fractured apart so quickly. With Sheev gone the Galactic Empire effectively devolved into 1000 micro Sector-Empires. Rather than working together to form a united front against the growing New Republic, the Moffs all started fighting for control of bigger slices of the pie.
No.9938
>>1881
Shit nigga, I remember this. Almost spoiled my appetite for the show.
No.10567
>>1906
Jakku was an Imperial weapons research facility that the Empire regrouped at after the Battle of Endor. Presumably the Rebellion came after them.
No.10582
>>5907
Actually the movie leaves a vaccum. The Death Star explodes and the rebels magically win. They skip to the celebrations on Endor and elsewhere. So, the Death Star and the Executor gone. And all the rest of the imperial fleet and the "legion" on Endor are simply gone.
Never understand why the Empire troops on ground simply gave up due one officer being surrouded by the teddy bears and the rebel group. They where fighting at the fucking backdoor. There was waay much more troops down there. They had fucking AT-ATs down there. How can one small lambda class ship carry people enough to force the garrison there into submission? That was the lamest inflitration sequence i saw in a movie.
No.10611
>>1904
wow that totally proves it and not retarted one bit