No.8835
Would Vader be able to defeat Obi Wan at his prime?
No.8836
possible, obi-wan would put up a hell of a fight though.
No.8856
We're talking about like Vader during what?
When he wasn't in the suit?
The problem is non-suit Vader was arrogant as fuck still.
No.8859
>>8856
Suit Vader vs. ROTS Obi Wan
No.8875
>>8859
Obi-Wan wins by a landslide
No.8911
>>8859
>Suit Vader
>Prime
That being said, prime Vader couldn't take on prime Kenobi; he "won" the duel in Episode IV against an old man who probably hadn't seen a good lightsaber fight in a while.
No.8943
Three questions:
Does Obi Wan have the high ground?
Is the circle complete?
Is Vader the master?
No.8944
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>>8943
was getting caught part of anyone's plan?
No.8954
No, Vader is basically a zombie
No.8983
>>8911
Obi-Wan wasn't that old.
No.9036
>>8835
I think the results speak for themselves.
He was a good friend, your father.
No.9042
a better battle would be luke skywalker vs obi wan tbh
No.9045
>>9042
Prequel Obi Wan?
I'm pretty sure even a youngling could kick Luke's shit in.
Dude had at most a couple days of Jedi training.
No.11428
Obi-Wan was a master of multiple lightsaber combat forms, in his prime versus suit darth vader? He'd literally kick Vader's shit in. After years of being in that suit and fighting bare minimum in saber vs saber combat he was able to be taken down by his son who only had a few years of Jedi training, granted Luke was taught by Yoda and ghost Obi-Wan. Lightsaber forms take years of practice to only become decent in.
Side note is Luke only won the fight with vader because he gave I NV to the dark side of tforce while Vader was heavily conflicted between light and dark and was basicly having a force augmented mid-life crisis.
No.11429
If Vader had never needed the suit, how would Luke vs Vader have gone?
No.11432
No.11566
>>11432
Until being shot unexpectedly, Grevious whooped prime Obi-Wan's ass
So him
No.11569
>>11566
>Grevious whooped prime Obi-Wan's ass
Obiwan cut of 2 of his hands and Grevious ran away
No.11625
>>8835
Nope! He lost half of his tap with the Force after getting flamed up the first time around, Order 66 era Obi would rape him at any time post suit.
Hell his kid fucked his shit up just with Strong Style + Force Rage, not even into Form use.
>>11432
50/50. If Vader can throw shit around like ESB he has a good chance, otherwise Grevious is more agile than Vader and also Vader isn't a defensive combat master like Obi is/was.
No.11626
>>11432
Grievous, If he can close the gap.Vader may throw shit around/use the force, but if Grievous can actually engage in a saber fight, Vader's suit wouldn't let him block all Grievous' blows, he just hits too fucking fast. The ROTS novelization says that he strikes something ridiculous like 20 times a second between all four arms, not to mention the fact that Grievous' has been known to fight dirty. Obi-Wan only held his own because he's a defense master. Vader's just not fast enough to counter all that.
No.11632
>>11566
>>11432
>>11569
>>11625
>>11626
you guys are all assuming that vader would let grievous use all four arms
he'd pull an obi-wan and cut most, if not all of them off because he's that good, and most likely he would use the force to hold grievous in place and then just stab him through his heart or brain.
No.11635
>>11632
If this was pre-lava Anakin we are talking about here, I would agree with you.
However he's too damn slow in his suit to get to those limbs. He'd need to out-cheat him and that's kinda hard when you are concentrating on four blades at once while also sucking through a proverbial straw.
At least this is the realistic result; in actuality Vader would win or at least draw (see Boba Fett) because of plot protection.
No.11638
>>11635
that's what i meant
vader would out-cheat grievous by just straight up cutting his hands off, holding him with the force and then plunging his saber through his heart or brain.
if we want to get crazy on this, obi-wan only won because of a cheap shot as well, it really seems that in a straight-on saber fight, grievous would be just as op as he was in genndy wars.
No.11648
Vader was literally a shit fighter he could barely move. He only intimidated people in the Empire because he could choke them from across the holoprojection.
No.11649
>>11432
Crushed chest crippled Greivous or Prime jedi murdermode Greivous?
No.11672
>>11638
Obi wining was not a cheap shot. He basically told Vader that jumping at him would be tactically retarded and that he shouldn't do it. However he did it anyway.
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
No.11686
>>11672
ah, but the rots video game depicts an alternate ending where anakin clears the jump and kills obi-wan.
so really it was poor judgment on anakin's behalf and obi-wan getting the cheap shot in.
No.11695
>>11686
>alternate ending vs G-canon
No.11696
Alright, who wins this one: Suit Vader or Mace Dindu?
No.11725
Since this is the who would win thread, how about Dooku vs. Darth Maul?
No.11741
Actually… yes. Vader was a waay better figther than Anakin.
Also Vader learned to use all in a fight. If we use those DBZ power level ratings… he was 80% of Frank. More than enough to defeat OB1.
Vader didn't won against Luke because he wasn't fighting to win, actually.
No.11762
No.11775
>>8835
He'd get curb stomped.
Anakin became a weakling when he got put in the suit according to Lucas.
note those comics like Vader Down where he can beat hundreds of soldiers don't count.
No.11831
Could Vader have theoretically had a cyborg body similar to Grievous instead of the suit? If so, how powerful would he be, if he still had some access to the Force?
No.11836
>>11831
probably
when dooku staged grievous' shuttle explosion, he gave grievous' cyborg body the blood of sifo-dyas, but the transfusion didn't quite work out.
however, if vader still had his own blood, i'm sure he would be able to use the force just as well as he did in the suit, cuz y'know he had mechanical limbs.
No.11909
>>11775
>Vader Down doesn't count
>except it does
>it almost counts extra
Disney nuked EU 1.0 under the premise all this new shit can be 100% as canon as the movies. So Vader killing all those people in Vader Down is just as canon as him killing Sheev at endor