/starwars/ - Star Wars

>>9216

Nobody took that guy seriously… not even the writers as they had other cast members make fun of how ridiculously lame his voice sounded when he wore the mask.

I really don't have the problem with Kylo that's spreading around and it's abundantly clear that anything remotely dark is automatically edgy to the parrot gallery. What did piss me off, and sours me on the prospects of the sequels, is that he's been training as a duelist since childhood and the tumblrina desert wench automatically becomes an expert swordsman without any practice or reference.

It's unforgivable. Luke had to go through two movies before he could stand on equal footing with Vader. There's no credibility with this new antagonist/protagonist paring.

>>9232

JJ Abrams can't do good villains for life

>>9235

>implying he can do anything right except be a dirty kike

>>9232

in tumblrina's defense she's skilled with that pole, just like finn had saber training as well.

that's about it tbh fam

>>9271

>implying that being skilled at working the pole makes you skilled at handling swords/sabers.

No, srlzy. Besides, she knocked out some weak looking aliens that looked smaller than her. For all we know those could have been alien females.

>>9273

>He was cool, perhaps a bit too edgy at times though. Like when he just would randomly destroy shit when he got mad.

You know what happened when he started destroying stuff with his Light Sword? The audience LAUGHED. Sitting there and watching the movie I couldn't fathom why at first since it made him seem a bratty child that had a tantrum – but then I realized… the audience were laughing because it made Kylo appear a retarded child. They were laughing BECAUSE the scenes were bad – not because he was cool.

And yes – about that – you know when Vader felt people failed? You know what he did? He killed them.

But Kylo he has a tantrum and destroys stuff. Watching that first scene where he lights up his Light Sword in front of the Imperial officer I figures he would chop the guy in half but nope. And the Officer looked scared? Really? In such a scene, wouldn't you just lose all respect for the guy as a viable threat? If he doesn't kill people that fail him but starts screaming and raving instead – then you just want to slap him right? Five across the eyes!

>The fact that he killed Han Solo in cold blood for no particular reason, really makes him nonredeemable in my eyes at this point.

Actually I could care less about Kylo as a character. He isn't a proper villain, he's not a character I hate because he killed his father – he is a poorly written character that is hateable as character. Not the kind of hate you have for a villain – but a hate you have for a character that is a scrappy given to much glory.

Kylo isn't the son that killed his father. Kylo is the crappy new character that killed the based best character in Star Wars in a shitty SJW remake of New Hope.

>>9274

>Rey is shaping up to be a mary sue

Yupp. But she isn't the only one – that female Yoda (Maz Kanata) is also a Mary Sue of sorts.

Lets see Mary Sue stuff about Rey:

1. Can fight and beat up three aliens without any training.

2. Knows and is able to use the force after one day – much better than Luke was able to after training under Yoda and years of training before that.

3. She is able to fight against Luke's apprentice – and beat him. Worse – according to the info about Kylo we are told that he killed all of Luke's other apprentices… so he is supposed to b really strong?

4. She is a super good mechanic that can solve stuff easily. Maybe this is a Jedi trait since Anakin was able to build C3P0 and a pod – and Luke built his own Light Saber? Still, if this was her only ability it would have been okay – but since it isn't…

5. She is an excellent shot.

6. She is a super pilot with ships she haven't ever flown before – because da force.

7. She has lived her whole life on a planet where it is "eat or be eaten" – yet when she is offered 60 rations of food for a droid she has only just met – and even though she know she can starve to death – she still doesn't sell the droid. lel

8. She has a destiny and finds Luke's old Light Saber.

9. When Han Solo dies we only see Leia stagger a little and Chewie get angry and shoot Kyly in the balls. Then all focus is on Rey crying… because apparently her crying (even though she just met Han Solo) is something the fans will find interesting? The people that REALLY knew Han and loved him aren't really given any such scenes.

10. When Han Solo dies Leia hugs Rey and not Chewier – wtf?

11. She is handed the task to go find Luke – even though they have just met her less than one day ago?

12. She is taking charge of the Millennium Falcon? ORLY??

ect ect ect

Maz Kanata's and why she is a Mary Sue of sorts:

1. Female Yoda. She is supposedly wise and know stuff.

2. She can't channel the force, but she is actually more special because even though she can't channel the force, she has overcome this lacking and can feel it and know it even though she isn't a Jedi.

3. She owns a huge place and is the boss there.

4. She is a legendary space pirate according to the extra info – because space pirates aren't evil? So not only was she a Yoda, she was a Han Solo esq and a Jabba the Hutt as well?

5. She is a kugger that refers to a 200+ year old Wookie as if he was just a young teenage boy. She is pretty creepy.

6. Han Solo is shown to be wary of her yet look up to her? Wtf?

ect ect ect

Not much maybe? But understand that she was only in the movie for less than 20 minutes.

>>9281

true it doesn't necessarily make her skilled, but there is similarity and she's obviously not an idiot to figure out how a lightsaber works, even if it's just the stuff of legends by this point.

>>9282

Your list for Rey is solid, but I disagree on some.

>1. Can fight and beat up three aliens without any training.

To be fair, since she grew up in such a tough place she probably learned a thing or two

>7. She has lived her whole life on a planet where it is "eat or be eaten" – yet when she is offered 60 rations of food for a droid she has only just met – and even though she know she can starve to death – she still doesn't sell the droid. lel

She's the daughter of Luke Skywalker and the main character, I think this can be excused

You hit the nail on the head with

>9. When Han Solo dies we only see Leia stagger a little and Chewie get angry and shoot Kyly in the balls. Then all focus is on Rey crying… because apparently her crying (even though she just met Han Solo) is something the fans will find interesting? The people that REALLY knew Han and loved him aren't really given any such scenes.

I hated how there was no breathing time for his death even after the starkiller base blew up. For fuck's sake, isn't that something that EVERYONE should care more about? Why didn't we get some sort of quiet moment, like Leia and Chewie making a makeshift grave and crying?

>>9216

>being beat by some girl who had never held a lightsaber.

He got shot by Chewie. During their lightsaber duel he was bleeding midichlorians everywhere.

Also she's Revan.

>>9216

I liked that they went with Feat as his strength it made him interesting as a Sith. In his defense he wasn't trying to kill Rey and Chewie already shot him before hand.

>>9216

>>9232

>>9232

Dude how do people not get that the only reason Kylo lost the duel was he was not only borderline mortally wounded (he was shot in the side with Chewies blaster which has enough force to take down 5 storm troopers in one explosion and this nigga took a direct shot to his abdominal area) Rey is fit, capable and has latent Jedi powers. No one complained when Gohan fucked up Napa as a toddler, people are just mad because she's a girl, like honestly no one would say shit if It was Luke's son. Besides literally all of that Kylo just murdered his father and was extremely emotionally compromised.

>>9336

Also Kylo wanted to train her and wasn't trying to kill her, ofc he feels a connection to her as well, they are cousins after all.

>>9336

> Kylo just murdered his father and was extremely emotionally compromised.

you have no idea how the dark side works do you?

>>9339

To be fair, neither did anyone working on this film.

>>9336

>Be Kylo

>Able to literally stop blaster bolts with force powers and great reflexes.

>Took out tons of other jedi when he turned dark side.

>Not burnt to crisp and a shadow of former self like vader

>Skywalker genes

>Dedicated enough to have run through his father and passing his "test" so no longer emotionally conflicted

>Suddenly! Chewie can get a shot off and wound him cos reasons

>Still pushes Finn's shit in during fight cos every time finn has a lightsaber it's to have fodder for bait and switch scenes for the trailers.

>Goes up against the chosen sue.

>gets destroyed because "oh right! I has the force"

come off it. The second half of this movie was when the cancer reached critical mass.

>>9271

>woman

>skilled with grabbing a pole

Seems about right to me.

>>9339

I really do though, hate and anger give siths power but it also breaks concentration giving Rey an opening. By your logic anakin should have defeated obi at the end of episode 3.

>>9216

I'm pretty sure Rey is Luke daughter/Kylo Ren cousin

She must have a huge amount of force

>>9313

> Why didn't we get some sort of quiet moment, like Leia and Chewie making a makeshift grave and crying?

Because Abrams only knows to create super-fast-paced movies

>feeling anything positive towards Lord Rehash Bitch Boy

fuck off marketer.

>>9353

Having a tactical advantage

(the high ground)

isn't a break in concentration retard.

>>9273

>Vader had style, he wasn't dark for darkness sake, he was dark because it gave him a strategic and tactical advantage.

Eh, Vader started off being dark because he thought it would help him save his wife, but he fast betrayed her because the spell of the Dark Side caused him to love the promise of power more and turned his fear into full blown paranoia. People were complaining that he was an edgy teen in ep. III for similar reasons to why they're calling Kylo Ren angsty in VII. Perhaps when the media encompassing Ren grows to a similar length people will reconsider.

>His appearance gave him a fear factor that he employed frequently. He also, you know, NEEDED that suit to survive, unlike this autistic wannabe.

But Kylo's using the suit for that same fear factor, and it looks like it works on the First Order crowd.

>Also the fact that he killed Han Solo (His own father) in cold blood for no particular reason apart from he was triggered, really makes him nonredeemable in my eyes at this point.

It's more than him being triggered, though. Pretty obvious from that whole scene with Hux and Snoke that it was about proving the point to himself that he could go beyond that line and… well, become "nonredeemable."

>>9274

Hell yeah, somebody else gets it! The Dark Side feeds on fear and other negative emotions. Even if he's not a Sith, it's totally consistent with the last near 40 years of lore.

>I could understand Finn holding him off until him and Rey escape, but Rey is shaping up to be a mary sue

She really is. It's even more hilarious since we heard all of this noise about a black main character being a hero and the credible character flaws he has are all just there so that the white cis-scum grrl can be even more perfect and awesome when she saves the poor nigger.

>>9339

All of the supplementary stuff about Kylo makes a big deal of him being "conflicted" and "a contradiction." He's trying to purge himself of the light side, which is sort of why he killed his own dad to begin with.

It stands to reason that if he had even a moment of regret or doubt that would weaken his connection with the Dark Side, wouldn't it?

>>9282

>She is a kugger that refers to a 200+ year old Wookie as if he was just a young teenage boy. She is pretty creepy.

Well, she's almost 1,000 years old herself. It's no her being a cougar; it's underscoring how ancient she is that a 200+ year-old wookie is still just a kid from her point of view.

>>9387

>Vader was feared but also RESPECTED by the Imperial military, particularly the troops

That's true, he didn't respect most Imperial Officers generally although there were a few exceptions. If he encountered people who were honest and spoke their mind he had a tendency to show great admiration for them and even promoted them. Example is Daine Jir who found flaw in one of Vader's decisions, Vader promoted him on the spot instead of killing him.

>>9216

> rather than being beat by some girl who had never held a lightsaber.

..after getting hit by Chewies anger bowcaster of one shot kills, he did fine. They did not push it well enough, though.

If there is something to whine about..

>interracialism

>First order is NAZIs who have cross and are represented by white people

>New Republic had their entire fleet in Coruscant/not-Coruscant

>NR was a separate entity from 'the resistance'

>Rebellion fetish (no wonder they love sin so much..)

>>9345

If he had lost majority of his blood during the chase- Rey was running from him most of their fight, I'd accept the outcome. It still feels off, but I can reason it to be the solution which makes sense.

>>9411

It's just not internally consistent with what we'd seen. First Kylo is a complete badass freezing bolts in the air with impunity cos powerful force telekinesis and reflexes, then he conveniently loses that power cos "plot" requires it.

Then at first the bowcaster is like a fucking heavy duty weapon that kills via AOE splash damage (lol) then it just injures Kylo… ya know, JUST enough for him to be able to kick the shit out of the bait n switch character Finn why? cos "haha you thought he would be a jedi cos lightsaber. Fuck you".

And baity mc switch, Finn vs Kylo? he lasted just long enough for Rey the "Mara Sue" to pull more of this ridiculous "force savant" nonsense and beat Kylo and of course she's scars his face so that he's going to be more edgy looking in the next film.

Then after that inevitable and hollow victory that was rushed and filled with plot conveniences, Snoke mentions Kylo's training is incomplete, because now that they've raised the sue so quickly so fast and established everyone is shit compared to her, they needed to try and mitigate that.

This is the guy who was responsible for killing a ton of jedi apprentices before that, but now that he's facing "Mara Sue", now he needs a power up. Does this not seem? forced? to you? (pardon the pun)

I just find everything to do with this stuff inconsistent. Maybe they'll explain it that she's inherited a super form of force power, an aura that makes everyone around her super shit and incompetent. :^)

Let's be honest, that would make about as much sense as the shit we've seen so far! lol.

He's supposed to be 2edgy4u, he's an angsty kid obsessed with living up to grandaddy Vader's legacy that's why he's ganking his style. But that's mostly what it is, all style no substance. He obviously has a lot of raw potential just no training. The bit about him training under Luke doesn't mean shit. I can guarantee you its gonna show a flashback in the next one about that training and it's gonna be Yoda-style mumbo jumbo that is actually really helpful if you fucking listen but doesn't do shit for Kylo because he's an impatient brat who just wants to throw things with his mind and chop people up with laser swords- i.e. He wants the payoff without the work to get there.

>>9416

Now if only he was Rey, he'd only have to close his eyes, think about the force and suddenly he'd be able to do everything required at the time :P

Joking aside: I get the criticisms of kylo, I do. But he's HARDLY the biggest issue of the film IMHO. The elephant in the room is the Mary Sue. It's just undeniably apparent AFAIC.

>>9282

>1. Female Yoda. She is supposedly wise and know stuff.

She is 1,000 years old, she is going to know stuff.

>2. She can't channel the force, but she is actually more special because even though she can't channel the force, she has overcome this lacking and can feel it and know it even though she isn't a Jedi.

Force sensitives exist. They can't use force powers but they can sense the force.

>3. She owns a huge place and is the boss there.

She's 1,000 years old and owns a smuggler bar. That's nothing special.

>4. She is a legendary space pirate according to the extra info – because space pirates aren't evil? So not only was she a Yoda, she was a Han Solo esq and a Jabba the Hutt as well?

Nothing wrong with this. Han solo is a legendary smuggler. He's going to know the type of people he needs to talk to.

>5. She is a kugger that refers to a 200+ year old Wookie as if he was just a young teenage boy. She is pretty creepy.

er… okay?

>6. Han Solo is shown to be wary of her yet look up to her? Wtf?

She's a space pirate dude. Han is not going to fuck with a legendary space pirate for no good reason. He told people not to fuck with her and he doesn't do so himself because he doesn't want trouble.

>>9274

>I just find everything to do with this stuff inconsistent. Maybe they'll explain it that she's inherited a super form of force power, an aura that makes everyone around her super shit and incompetent. :^)

You may be closer to the point than you believe. I can only assume that the 'awakening' meant a great one- perhaps Luke or force ghosts gave help to her. I hope it's not a 'chosen one' thing… Especially since Anakin and Luke got defeated despite the fact.

>>9229

so I wasn't the only one that thought his voice was faggy? Like, I heard it in the trailers, and I was like… "really? that's what you're going with?"

>>9352

>dickbutt

Where do you think you are?

>>9459

Google by which I mean ixquick "nerf force awakens"

>>9216

his sperg rages he gets when he hears bad news are not that believable, i liked darth vaders calmness instead of the random spergness of kylo ren. also how the girl turns so powerfull is weird, could've at least given her some training

>>9563

>Oh she's a great one alright, a great fucking bland, mary sue one. (and that's in a series with borderline mary sues)

They still have 2(+) movies, directors and EU to change the blandness. They may even do a Korra on her powerlevel. I doubt that, but…

>>9313

where is it implied that luke is her father? i saw the movie but i think i missed that point

>>9410

the speach on that icy planet reminded me of some kind of nazi rally, i thought it looked cool, the guns suck, they look like painted nerf guns.

besides, lando was a pretty heroic guy from the OT

That scene was good. The one that tried to be funny after it was not. Talking about that one with Poe.

>>9626

Jesus christ

Meh, Kylo just annoyed me. Acted like a petulant child half the time, and the rest of the time he was just…precocious. He acted like "Look at me! I'm just like my grandfather!". He didn't feel at all threatening, not even on the level of someone like Maul or Tyranus. He was even less credible than someone like, say, Executor Sedriss.

>>9232

I can't wait for the bore-fest that will be Episode VIII. Oh boy I wonder if pussy Kylo Ren will do anything to Space Jesus Rey!

>>9459

Have you ever seen blood? Protip: when blood dries, it's brown.