/suicide/ - Suicide Tips & Tricks

>>10914

Neat.

How would you do it though? Surely you are not 100% alone, there must be some moralfag parent/ neighbor/ friend/ sister/ landlord who will notice it and report you, then you are locked up forever. You'd need to be completely isolated and make sure nobody would check on you.

Some religions let you do it with their blessing which is kind of impressive.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prayopavesa

I did three days, but I stayed somewhat active. On the third day, I stopped feeling hunger at all, but it was difficult to do anything. I only started eating again because people wouldn't leave me the fuck alone.

Ive done about a week before. After a couple of days I just stopped thinking about it. Even when family would offer food, it wasnt hard at all to decline.

I dont remember WHY I started eating again.

Im gonna try again. Im gonna give myself a final meal and give it a shot.

Bullshit!

Starving to death is painful as fuck. they say "until her organs failed" as if that was a fast and painless exit. When your organs fail the pain is horrible. Specially the kidneys and liver. Those filter the toxins out of your system and when they stop working your body gets slowly poisoned by it's own waste. That comes accompanied by lots of pain and thirst.

>>10914

>Starvation is Not Painful, Experts Say

Your experts are full of shit. I suffer from cyclic vomiting syndrome; I vomit for 7-9 days at a time every 10 minutes or so with constant intense nausea. When the episode is over my whole body hurts. Not horrible pain, but the way you hurt the day after you go to the gym for the first time.

>>11011

How is your vomiting syndrome similar to starving? They are two distinct things.

>>11022

>you can digest food when you're vomiting every 10 minutes

you sure are bright

>>11063

>vomiting every 10 minutes

>exactly the same as not eating

you sure are bright

>>11011

Vomiting is an intense physical experience that will leave anyone feeling like shit. I don't think it's really comparable to starvation, it's a separate distinct thing which happens to include starvation as a side-effect.

I'm already a very, very poor eater. This seems easy as hell to be honest.

>>11133

>easy as hell

>implying hell is easy

>>11136

>implying it's not

I can't imagine burning for eternity to be that hard. I could get used to it.

Is it recommended to not be drinking during this time, too? Is death by dehydration and death by starvation significantly different?

Id like to be drinking coffee during this time so I dont appear to be any more tired or sluggish than usual to throw the few people in my life off what Im doing.

Im sure not drinking water will make me die a lot faster, but would it be apparent? Uncomfortable?

I think you'd have to both stop eating and drinking…

Search for "Voluntary Stopping of Eating and Drinking" or VSED.

This is what "the" euthanasia movement suggests elderly people to do,

but this is done mostly because elderly don't have much choice in how they die, because they could be immobile, or locked up.

>>11140 was a response to >>11139

>>11140

Ah.Well then.

Guess Im gonna have to act the part. No biggie, been doing that for most of my life.

>>11142

I don't know if it's a good way to die, but here and there i read it is, sometimes you find the opposite.

Do more research, and if you like, share your findings.

>>10914

Wouldnt you get cramps everyday because of no minerals and shit?

>>10914

>>11008

>>11011

>>11139

>>11144

Here are some of the opinions about whether or not starving / dehydrating to death is painful or not. Also included the duration of how long you have to do it… most drank minimal amounts of water.

http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2012/sep/07/right-to-die-mother-nicklinson

>'It was a good death, the kind most people would choose'

>for the previous six days had had no food and almost no water. She had chosen to die of thirst.

https://www.compassionandchoices.org/tag/voluntary-stopping-of-eating-and-drinking/

>“Stopping eating and drinking is peaceful and painless and people throughout the country don’t avail themselves of it,” said Barbara Coombs Lee, president of Compassion & Choices

>Ten days after he began the fast, Armond Rudolph died. Dorothy Rudolph died the following day.

http://www.nationalreview.com/human-exceptionalism/380983/facts-about-voluntary-stop-eating-and-drinking-wesley-j-smith

>I’ve read that VSED is painless. How can that be true when the symptoms of dehydration are so gruesome?

>Many advocates of VSED say it is painless, however their claim is based on the requirement that individuals receive medical supervision including pain and symptom control as they dehydrate to death… Without powerful sedatives and other palliative measures (and, sometimes even with such measures), dehydration deaths have been described as horrific.

http://dying.about.com/od/ethicsandchoices/a/VCED.htm

>Do Persons Who Choose to Stop Eating Suffer?

>Overwhelming evidence says no. The same study in the New England Journal of Medicine found that an overwhelming 94% of nurses reported these patients' deaths as peaceful. The cessation of eating and drinking is a normal part of the dying process that typically occurs days to weeks before death.

>>11148

More info

http://www.tc.umn.edu/~parkx032/VDD-Q&A.html

>9. WHERE CAN I FIND MORE INFORMATION ABOUT VOLUNTARY DEATH BY DEHYDRATION?

This life-ending choice has been discussed under a number of names:

VSED—Voluntary Stopping Eating & Drinking

VFRR—Voluntary Refusal of Food & Fluid

VTD—Voluntary Terminal Dehydration

VDD—Voluntary Death by Dehydration

MDD—Merciful Death by Dehydration

STED—Stopping Eating & Drinking

SED—Stopping Eating & Drinking

PRNH—Patient Refusal of Nutrition & Hydration

MD—Medical Dehydration

TD—Terminal Dehydration

VTD—Voluntary Terminal Dehydration

Some articles the above link links to

http://www.annals.org/content/128/7/559.full

http://www.preciouslegacy.com/chap13.html

http://www.tc.umn.edu/%7Eparkx032/CY-VD-H2.html

http://www.tc.umn.edu/%7Eparkx032/CY-VDD-SG.html

http://www.tc.umn.edu/%7Eparkx032/CY-IS-VD.html

http://www.tc.umn.edu/%7Eparkx032/CY-MK-MD.html

http://www.tc.umn.edu/%7Eparkx032/CY-L-END.html

http://dying.about.com/od/ethicsandchoices/a/VCED.htm

http://www.comfortcarechoices.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=81:choosing-to-stop-eating-a-drinking-at-the-end-of-life-vsed-&catid=36:articles&Itemid=75

http://www2.dickinson.edu/endoflife/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terminal_dehydration

>As terminally ill patients approach death, their desire to consume food and fluids tends to diminish. Although it is common practice to hydrate such patients, there is some evidence that dehydration may actually be more comfortable for these patients than hydration.

>Discontinuation of hydration does not produce true thirst, although a sensation of dryness of the mouth often is reported as "thirst."

>Studies have shown that for terminally ill patients who choose to die, deaths by terminal dehydration are generally peaceful, and not associated with suffering, when supplemented with adequate pain medication.

All quotes have multiple sources, check the Wikipedia article for that

>>11139

Coffee actually dehydrates you

>>11171

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/04/health/nutrition/04real.html?_r=2&

>Caffeine may not be as powerful a diuretic as it’s often said to be.

It doesn't dehydrate you that much.

>>11149

>http://www.tc.umn.edu/~parkx032/CY-VD-H2.html

>1. A voluntary death is helpful. Voluntary death by dehydration could be a definite benefit to the one who chooses this pathway.

>1. Irrational suicide is harmful to the victim. Self-destruction does irreparable harm to the person who kills himself. That person's life is over forever.

Maybe Im getting caught up on details, but that page sure is splitting hairs selling one form of death over another.

>>11315

>Irrational suicide is harmful…

He doesn't want to get in legal trouble, so he puts that on his website.

I consider this website to be not too trustworthy, just use it as an index… albeit a bad one.

what about dehydration? That's apparently painless enough provided you have the determination to see it through, as well as some water on-hand to keep your mouth from drying out too much

>>10914

She had an incentive not to eat tho–it was really uncomfortable due to her cancer. For normalfags you're probably bound to give in to the urge to eat sooner or later. Maybe not a painful method but a difficult one.

It IS painful—those who carried this out willingly did so with appropriate pain being administered by professionals.

I have a thread on /b/. I will be trying this.

>>11624

You should wander off into the wilderness / as far away from food and water as possible. That way if your will gets weak, your situation will do the rest of the work for you.

>>11633

Yeah, the problem is that I'm feeling really empty and I just want to be comforted.

>>11643

You're not alone, anon. You've never been alone, even from the start. We're with you.

Starvation can take a long time (up to two months) so it's not for everyone, but if you have no problems with stopping eating for days it doesn't sound so bad - you'll just feel more and more weak.

I'd personally never stop drinking though. Dehydration sounds awful.

I can go days without eating and will just feel weak but not drinking gives me headaches etc.

This documentary narrates a suicide by starvation diary in case you're curious:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLdj7QTZCcc

When I go a few hours too much without food, my stomach hurts. Does it go away later?

>>11937

If you're a woman, chances are your self control is lower when it comes to eating.

If you're a guy try fasting for a weekend or a couple of days to see if you can handle it.

I perceive my self control to be higher than most people and I'm used to not eating for days, so I'm probably not the greatest reference point, but after a day I'll barely feel hungry and the hunger will only come back when I eat something.

You can also gradually taper down food consumption.

If you're used to eating a lot - especially meat and greasy food, your stomach will probably produce a lot of acid which will make things uncomfortable if you suddenly stop eating.

You can eat a bit of congee two or three times a day to coat the stomach and make things easier.