/suicide/ - Suicide Tips & Tricks

>>11507

>millions

doubt it tbh.

Look at guns in america. They are widespread and so easily availiable. Anybody can fire up armslist, find a seller and buy a gun in a mcdonalds parking lot 30 minutes later.

Not to mention the fatality rate and requiring very little preparation.

Yet there are only 19000 gun suicides in a country of 318 million. It's fucking nothing in an absolute sense.

>>11509

Thus I doubt millions or even hundreds of thousands would die if an extremely easy and reliable method of suicide was widely availiable to the populace.

>>11507

This is an interesting question, but I think the true sea change would be the necessary change in attitudes regarding suicide from "oh no, you don't actually want to commit suicide, you're just 'diseased'" to "Hey bra, I hear this is gonna be your last day alive, cool." Which, although literally evolutionarily impossible to occur, form an interesting thought experiment.

The question here becomes not simply how many would choose to die, but how social and political institutions would change if suicide were made simple. Governments get ridiculously upset when the rich decide to expatriate. Imagine the distress when it can't shit on its poor anymore out of fear that they might not have anyone to shit on anymore. Imagine how the bs child support + alimony system might quickly change more to the favor of men if they suddenly started a rash of suicides in that group. You can't rule over a group that would easily lose their life rather than their liberty. It is this fact alone that makes me rather secure in the notion that powerful cultural and political incentives against suicide are necessary for the established ruling class to maintain control.

>>11515

The denegration of suicide is a leading indicator of tyranny in a society.

>>11509

See, I think the way to make it so everyone would choose to die is to make it so they don't have to do it themselves. Religion is great at telling people that they'll suffer for eternity if they choose to off THEMSELVES. However, if someone else does it then they're fine. So that will get rid of the fear.

http://fee.org/freeman/titles-of-ignobility-suicide-as-secession

My country allows medical assistance to suicide.

Aren't I a lucky bastard

>>11519

That's just the Catholics and the more vocal people. There are actually quite a few religious folk who believe that suicide is like any other sin—forgiven from the get-go. Christian Universalism is a good example of a group that believes this, specifically in something called "universal reconciliation."

There's literally no reason to be afraid outside of biological reasons.

>>11591

Religion is for people who have a shitty life, and they use it as their only escape. To give them a purpose. If they have an easy way to reach their God faster without fucking anything up (like through suicide) then it'd happen with a drastic amount.

I speak of this from a Christian standpoint myself. I'm heavily Christian, and one of the main reasons I don't want to kill myself is because of the fear that I will be sent to Hell.

>>11592

>I speak of this from a Christian standpoint myself. I'm heavily Christian

You're not a Christian simply because you call yourself one. For someone who claims to be such, you certainly have no trouble belittling and generalizing the Christian population. That's pure delusion on your part.

The fact that you fear Hell is a strong indicator that you lack faith in God and His Son. Ask for absolution and you will receive it. Jesus did not suffer pain and die on the cross so that only select people would be forgiven—you have a clean slate if you accept it. This is where the competition really heats up, between the misdirected perspective of Hell and the idea of universal reconciliation. If you trust in Christ, you need not fear. Even if you fear, it won't last forever.

If Hell waits for any man with a troubled heart, then that will be a very interesting thing to gain insight on when you make it to the other side. That's one heavy question with an equally heavy answer.

>>11593

I'm Christian because I believe Jesus Christ died for my sins. I don't agree with a lot of things the Christian population do as a whole, and I'm not a saint. I have faith in God and that's all there is to it. Your last sentence is very much why I don't kill myself. I'm not delusional as you said, because I know for a fact that there is no sure way to know what is on the other side. My faith isn't solid, and I'm not the best Christian, so I know that there is no way to prove as a matter of fact that when I die I'll go somewhere, and if I do then that place will be Heaven. I can't say that as a matter-of-fact. That uncertainty keeps me alive unfortunately. The only way I'll be able to end up killing myself is if I just say "Fuck it, I don't care where I go. Any place is better than this." and forget Hell even exists. I'm a pussy when it comes to uncertainty.

>>11594

>I'm a pussy when it comes to uncertainty.

Don't be. You're not alone in this desire or this life. Even if it is the smallest of consolations, know that you aren't alone. I'm feeling jolts pretty frequently now that I've decided to carry out my attempt this week. I'm scared of failing, scared of the consequences of failing, and I'm uncertain about the other side as well.

But I let it go. I force myself to be calm, I force myself to be brave. The moment I back down from this is the instant I sacrifice my greatest opportunity. It's the same for you and everyone else in our predicament.

Don't be afraid of Hell. I'd trade places with you there in a heartbeat, and not just for my own ego. If your fear eclipses mine, then that'd be the right thing to do. It'd be the right thing from the start. And even if that isn't an option, then you wouldn't be alone even in Hell. I'd be there with you, along with everyone else who felt as we do.

I know in my heart without a doubt that we will be forgiven for everything. It's not an excuse to do what we want to do, what we believe in—it's a reason to have hope in a truly hopeless world. Just have faith and never let go of your love.

I *will* see you on the other side, that's a promise.

>>11597

I'm glad you can waste your remaining seconds on such a non-factor as myself. I'm glad you got up enough strength to go through with it, and yet sad that you have to. I wish you luck in your attempt, and also I hope to see you on the other side as well.

>>11600

Love you brother!

>>11603

Love you too. :)

OP here, I'm blasting off tonight! I wish you all the best and I'll see you on the other side when the time comes!

>>11637

Good travels, friend. May your journey be swift.