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9a236e No.13006

Looking to pool resources to make a fool proof, painless, and peaceful exit from this world to the next. North Americas, Serious inquiries, lets get this shit done, theres gotta be something better after this shit, and if not, It wouldn't matter if we sticked around, the abyss consumes all.

328df3 No.13008

It's been tried before, people gave up after unwanted third parties got involved

http://pastebin.com/9XExhxVq

Shame, it would have made for a great last road trip


c9ee16 No.13009

>>13008

This is the main issue with suicide pacts or "Will someone kill me?" pacts.


4e07a1 No.13035

>>13008

>>13009

What is the main issue? What "third parties"? I don't understand.


ab1538 No.13043

>>13035

Trolls, suspected feds. In case you don't realize, a large portion of this board is made up of people who want a front row seat to the zoo. This is was fractured the plan. Most of those people in that log are still alive anyway.


a1c639 No.13046

File: 1450685762396.jpg (229.19 KB, 2034x1133, 2034:1133, image.jpg)

Anyone in Oregon?


8e0b6b No.13047

If you want I can kill you for free, you choose the method, I force you to carry it out. You'll have to pay my trip though.


9810df No.13051

Anyone in the Chicagoland area want to die with me?


dc17b9 No.13052

>>13051

Do you live in the city?


9a236e No.13056

How can you even get in contact with someone on this board without being compromised?


9a236e No.13057

I mean, I don't understand why there are "third partys" so hellbent on prevention of suicide, I honestly believe suicide isn't a slippery slope, its a progress in human rights. It's the key to prevent a specific type of individuals from suppression, being trapped in a world they either can't contribute to or flat out don't want to be a part of. I understand the pro-life view but its no excuse to bombard someone into a way of thinking that just isn't apart of their intrinsic being.


9810df No.13060

>>13052

No, southwest suburbs.


000000 No.13076

>>13057

C.f. >>11757

Fwiw, I hate "Don't do it"ers myself, and I suspect it's why "Don't do it" is in rule 2 of /suicide/. This board would have descended into a "Muh feefees" or "I just tried to kill mysulf agen /suicide/, pls comphort me ;-;" board without it.

To actually answer you question, can you imagine what society would look like if people started to kill themselves over unsightly policies? The ruling class would be in serious danger if their sheep could just leave the farm. Thus the prohibitions. Thus the reason why you'll go to Hell if you're religious. Thus the "neighborhood watch" contingent of asshole "Don't do it"ers. Thus the reason why you'll get a Baker's Act if you even think about it and you'll be forced to become a medicated zombie and take psychotropic drugs that kill your prefrontal cortex.

So, no, you can't be free, you can't escape from the farm. If you are even thinking about trying this, we will do something even worse than killing you: keeping you alive but unable to think anymore, and then having the audacity of giving you the bill for the operation!

Fucking third parties, man.


4e07a1 No.13094

>>13076

>you'll get a Baker's Act if you even think about it

>you'll be forced to become a medicated zombie

>take psychotropic drugs that kill your prefrontal cortex

Is this true? If so it's terrifying, especially that last part. Could you expand on this or provide a source?


c9ee16 No.13112

>>13094

>take psychotropic drugs that kill your prefrontal cortex

This is the most important bit, so I'll start here. Here are some sources I have (I think I have another file full of more if you want them), I'm not sure how many still work or are still relevant:

Actual journal articles:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10445651

http://bjp.rcpsych.org/content/195/3/211.full

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2989833/

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1820592/

Other secondary sources:

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2011/04/06/frightening-story-behind-the-drug-companies-creation-of-medical-lobotomies.aspx

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/obsessively-yours/201001/five-reasons-not-take-ssris

http://www.healthsentinel.com/joomla/index.php?view=article&catid=6%3Aother-sources&id=413%3Atrial-finds-that-prozac-may-stunt-childrens-growth&format=pdf&option=com_content&Itemid=7

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-peter-breggin/children-antipsychotics_b_1771152.html

http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1178-powerful-psychiatric-drugs-shorten-lifespan-by-decades/

http://www.webmd.com/depression/news/20041111/antidepressants-may-affect-bone-growth

http://saveyourself.ca/articles/reality-checks/anti-depressants.php

http://www.mindfreedom.org/kb/psychiatric-drugs/antipsychotics/neuroleptic-brain-damage

http://www.emaxhealth.com/1020/antipsychotic-drugs-cause-brain-volume-loss-detected-mri

http://www.emaxhealth.com/1020/new-antipsychotic-drugs-costly-lack-evidence-effectiveness

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2013/may/12/medicine-dsm5-row-does-mental-illness-exist

http://truthman30.wordpress.com/2010/08/16/ssris-emotional-blunting/

http://www.drmicozzi.com/antidepressant-drug-shuts-down-brain-connectivity-within-three-hours

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c9ee16 No.13113

>>13112

Some more sources:

http://www.realitysandwich.com/psychiatry_almost_drove_me_crazy_0

http://www.palgrave-journals.com/sth/journal/v8/n4/full/sth200911a.html

http://psychrights.org/Stories/AboveTheLawWrightz.pdf

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/10/health/10psyche.html?pagewanted=1&_r=0&ei=5087&em&en=0a108e3c1451fe32&ex=1178942400

http://www.encognitive.com/node/1185

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2156340/Anti-depressants-merely-addiction--doctors-patients.html

http://www.examiner.com/article/psychiatry-should-be-made-illegal

http://www.livescience.com/34496-psychiatric-manual-stirs-controversy.html

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn23487-psychiatry-divided-as-mental-health-bible-denounced.html

http://www.naturalnews.com/028280_psychiatric_industry_disease_mongering.html

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704188104575083700227601116.html?mod=WSJ_hpp_sections_lifestyle

http://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/200910/what-is-normal

http://ask.metafilter.com/196446/Will-these-little-blue-pills-steal-all-my-words

http://www.livescience.com/34496-psychiatric-manual-stirs-controversy.html

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/feeling-relating-existing/201204/deconstructing-psychiatrys-ever-expanding-bible

http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/molecules-to-medicine/2013/05/24/anti-psychiatry-prejudice-a-response-to-dr-lieberman/

http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/mind-guest-blog/2013/05/20/dsm-5-caught-between-mental-illness-stigma-and-anti-psychiatry-prejudice/

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/19/health/policy/19fda.html

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2515898/

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/19/health/policy/19fda.html?_r=0

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/theory-knowledge/201212/is-psychiatry-the-science-lies

http://www.netdoctor.co.uk/depression/medicines/cipramil.html

http://www.radicalpsychology.org/vol7-1/weitz2008.html

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/mad-in-america/201102/disability-in-the-age-prozac

http://www.bio.net/bionet/mm/neur-sci/2000-February/043307.html

http://breggin.com/

http://gaia-health.com/gaia-blog/2012-05-05/how-psychiatry-holds-onto-its-victims-creation-of-a-no-win-situation/

http://bjp.rcpsych.org/content/176/5/405.full

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c9ee16 No.13114

>>13113

Continuing…

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/charting-the-depths/201007/the-serotonin-theory-depression-is-collapsing

http://www.ohchr.org/EN/UDHR/Documents/60UDHR/detention_infonote_4.pdf

http://www.un.org/disabilities/default.asp?id=199

http://www.nimh.nih.gov/news/science-news/2011/perinatal-antidepressant-stunts-brain-development-in-rats.shtml

http://www.primarypsychiatry.com/aspx/articledetail.aspx?articleid=549

http://www.nytimes.com/books/first/g/glenmullen-prozac.html

http://phobias.about.com/u/ua/medication/ssridiscontinuationua.01.html

http://www.goodtherapy.org/blog/prozac-adolescents-brain-cell-growth-071912

http://jannel.se/prozac.childrenEU.pdf

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/3963019.stm

http://chriskresser.com/the-dark-side-of-antidepressants

http://www.fda.gov/downloads/Drugs/DrugSafety/ucm088999.pdf

http://www.jimstonefreelance.com/testimony1.html

http://edition.cnn.com/2011/HEALTH/07/04/antidepressant.pregnancy.autism.risk/index.html

http://shared.web.emory.edu/whsc/news/releases/2011/04/antidepressants-linked-to-thicker-arteries.html

http://www.network54.com/Forum/281849/message/1183990339/If+SSRI+axon+injury+is+permanent....law+courts+will+be+interesting+in+25+years

https://www.madinamerica.com/2012/02/60-minutes-the-ssris-and-the-dirty-little-secret-2/

http://www.paxilprogress.org/forums/showthread.php?t=60740

http://www.newswithviews.com/Ellison/shane25.htm

http://forums.prohealth.com/forums/index.php?threads/ssris-effecting-a-chemical-lobotomy.76475/

http://truthman30.wordpress.com/2010/08/16/ssris-emotional-blunting/

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1242502/Hooked-happy-pills-Internal-bleeding-Strokes-Birth-defects-The-long-term-effects-antidepressants-terrifying.html

http://harvardmagazine.com/2000/05/the-downsides-of-prozac-html

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0028390883900758

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6606137

http://bjp.rcpsych.org/content/195/3/211.full.pdf

http://www.crazymeds.us/CrazyTalk/index.php?/topic/11264-s-s-r-i-s-and-emotional-apathy/

http://www.paxilprogress.org/forums/showthread.php?t=28506

http://www.biopsychiatry.com/prozac-cocaine.htm

http://www.ahrp.org/infomail/03/08/22.php

http://www.paxilprogress.org/forums/showthread.php?t=30245

http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/3528-anhedonia-ssri-induced-anhedoniaapathy/

http://www.experienceproject.com/stories/Have-Been-Permanently-Destroyed-By-Antidepressants/1539033

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1290402/Lives-destroyed-happy-pills-As-use-antidepressants-DOUBLES-decade-experts-say-thousands-given-dangerous-drugs-dont-need.html

http://www.crazyboards.org/forums/index.php/topic/37475-drugs-that-make-you-feel-emotions-not-blun-them/

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c9ee16 No.13115

>>13114

O.k., I was going to go on for quite a while, but I'm starting to get "Too many links detected" errors. You get the idea. The short story is: I have more.

>you'll get a Baker's Act if you even think about it

>you'll be forced to become a medicated zombie

This depends on the jurisdication, of course, as the Baker's Act is Florida law, but there are plenty of states that copy Florida (see your local jurisdication). More generally, look up involuntary commitment laws (here is a good start: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Involuntary_commitment another keyword to look up is "involuntary hold" or "5150")

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9a236e No.13128

Things worse than death are subject to what you believe. Being stuck in a world you don't want to be in, a world that doesn't chime with your core, can be pretty much worse than death. It's easy to say it's just whining, and everyone has bad days or whatever. However, once you've experienced the monotonous wall that blocks your life from progressing in a way you want, you'd want the option without interferance. Especially when alot of the world has labels and text book solutions that don't translate to freedom.


9a236e No.13129

I just want to see people understand this isn't a perminate solution for a temporary problem, not for everyone, for some its a perminate solution to a perminate problem. You can't discount personal paradigm because you think the secular view is better.


c9ee16 No.13146

>>13135

Yeah, God forbid someone think about escaping the farm.


f64a3e No.13149

>>13146

Absolutely forbid that. Forbid every single one of your depraved thoughts of self-harm and forbid every one of the actions that follows or could potentially follow.


000000 No.13156

File: 1451291865426.jpeg (3.92 KB, 193x293, 193:293, benetar.jpeg)

>>13151

>Absolutely nothing is worse than death because death is absolutely nothing and nothing includes zero 'life you want, muh happiness'.

I repeat an ancient argument:

>Now if you suppose that there is no consciousness, but a sleep like the sleep of him who is undisturbed even by dreams, death will be an unspeakable gain. For if a person were to select the night in which his sleep was undisturbed even by dreams, and were to compare with this the other days and nights of his life, and then were to tell us how many days and nights he had passed in the course of his life better and more pleasantly than this one, I think that any man, I will not say a private man, but even the great king will not find many such days or nights, when compared with the others. Now if death be of such a nature, I say that to die is gain; for eternity is then only a single night.

> I will absolutely never join the ranks of you pathetic faggots, certainly not for freedom.

You say this, and yet you are acting as such an auspicious foil that you only serve to prove the points that others have merely mused upon before this point.

>A nanosecond of amusement amid a lifetime of eternal torment is preferable to cessation of existence.

I would disagree, c.f. pic related.

>you are clearly unable to properly discern its use.

You claim you are for freedom, and yet do not grant the greatest one. The only thing I can discern from this statement is an incredible amount of hubris.


cd30a0 No.13168

>>13115

I greatly appreciate the links, but I'd really like to hear your personal perspective. It sounds like you know a lot about this and if you're willing to talk more I'd love to hear it.


000000 No.13169

>>13157

>I don't claim that at all

>>13151

>Freedom is a tool, not a goal. If you're using that tool to further yourself toward fucking nothingness

As to the actual substance of your argument (namely, the attempt at pointing to a performative contradiction), this would only be true during the course of the debate itself, but say nothing regarding it outside that point in time, should say such a debate entail the conclusion that suicide is the correct option and at which point it would then be carried out. This is a point born out by the critiques of not only Habermas, but with regards to suicide has already been mentioned by Camus as well.

To show the point of this argument:

>The only reason you are able to disagree is that you're here and able to speak to me. The moment you kill yourself you lose the ability to disagree. If you pursue your pathetic excuse of a life decision, you cement my position as your superior forever.

> I want to see you faggots in chains.

The only reason you are able to have this discussion is that I'm not bound. The moment you do so you lose the ability to discuss this. If you pursue your pathetic excuse of an argument, you cement my position as your superior forever.


000000 No.13176

>>13172

>There is no debate.

It's nice to see your admission that you have nothing credible to add, only empty statements of your position and your willingness to enslave.




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