/swc/ - shittywebcomics

http://shittywebcomics.tumblr.com/post/113968422484/so-if-there-is-going-to-be-a-gamergate-for

http://shittywebcomics.tumblr.com/post/113969492159/http-8ch-net-swc-res-289-html-the-second-step

Here's the beginning.

Remind me to update these with a tag when it gets decided.

Another important part of the goal: END CAPE COMICS. Stop reading and buying superhero comics. They're shit, and they're taking away attention from good creative comics.

NO MORE GIMMICKS, NO MORE TIE INS, NO MORE CASH GRABS

Let DC and Marvel rot. End the monopoly of the big two.

It's time for a new era in comics. An era where anything is possible, INCLUDING offensive content.

Oh my precious hashtag.

Anyway I want to point this out and loud:

I believe that if comics are truly unlimited by content, people will want to read them.

>>293
I fully agree with this, underground comix was what helped kill the original comics code, and this new "invisible comics code" can only be killed the same way: making subversive shit.

People are already doing it but they're doing it through webcomics and the internet.

In a way, there doesn't need to be a movement. There already is one, and it's so fractured and isolated and anonymous that no SJW can touch it.

I think if a specific company were made, in a way it would absorb a lot of attacks, but it would also make a big loud statement that there are many comics people that are tired of superhero comics, and people that are tired of SJW authoritarians trying to censor comics.

It's also kind of a business move. Try to absorb an anti-censorship movement into a business. If a company were to be made from this, anyway. But that would be the hardest part, because there would need to be comics to publish by doing this. It was a natural movement by weird people who loved comics, back in the underground days. Now it's something that's kinda more expensive, and oppressive censorship could never cover the webcomics and internet scene anyway. The freedom does already exist.

Still, people are tired of cape shit. It's time for a movement around that. I want a movement that demands better comics. Anti-gimmicks and anti-corporate comics marketing bullshit.

Also this movement needs SOME COOZE I mean uh uh!!!!!!!

We need to make "accepting women in comics" as a thing as well. But we should be able to do that without acting like "there's tons of women trying to get in but they can't!" Just accept there are less women, but don't avoid hiring them. I think there's tons of great female artists that deserve to be making comics. It's even possible that some of the big two don't want to hire as many broads (although that seems disproven by their actual employment).

The movement needs to strongly stand behind letting ANYONE work on comics without discrimination of anything except talent and/or skill.

#comicfreedom

So far I think this is the best choice for hashtag. Will wait and see.

Another statement: let people read the comics they want to.

If someone wants to read SJW pandering cape shit, let them. We don't want to remove their comics from them, if that's what they want.

The point is to let it be stated that we're tired of the cape shit and want something else.

I think this overwrites one of the other statements.

We're not trying to kill Marvel or DC. We're voicing that we're done with them and want something new. We're through with cape comics.

Will need tag later http://shittywebcomics.tumblr.com/post/113974270304/heres-the-problem-with-trying-to-work-on-this

http://shittywebcomics.tumblr.com/post/113998674674/here-is-the-problem-with-trying-to-start-a

One more post for the pile but I think this kind of ends the association with /co/, not going to ask them for any advice on this subject, they don't know what they're doing.

I think we'll have to stake this one out on our own.

Statement of goals: http://shittywebcomics.tumblr.com/post/114005227999/shittywebcomics-so-if-there-is-going-to-be-a

Other people's ideas for names:

http://shittywebcomics.tumblr.com/post/113971739934/hipstersfuckoffandfindanewhobby

MORE SHIT TO ADD FOR THE COMICLIBERTY MASTERPOST

http://shittywebcomics.tumblr.com/post/114097214344/do-you-happen-to-know-the-sales-figures-of-fem

Look up the Siegel and Shuster ripoff.

Bill Finger being ripped off.

Alan Moore being ripped off.

Jack Kirby being ripped off.

The issue 2 dropoff.

"Put a gorilla on the cover" sales bump of the 50s or whatever the fuck.

GIMMICKS AND SCAMS should be a main thrust of the masterpost.

#comicliberty

Fight against corruption in the comics industry, and the censorship of social justice.

Our "Vivian James" seems like an easy choice: Laily. I'm going to try to get a Tenk pic of her sort of busting some chains covering her tits, OR MAYBE A CENSOR BAR, with a pencil and brush in one hand, as if to uncensor herself to be free to be objectified, just to hard troll SJWs that much more. 8)

Social justice not wanting to make their own comics, but to force other people to make comics for them.

Also need a mention that people who complain about superhero comics but still buy superhero comics need to finally put their money where their mouth is and stop buying superhero comics completely, and buy other good shit instead.

>>307
>and the censorship of social justice.

Reword this, makes it sound like fighting against social justice being censored.

Maybe "social justice censorship"? Or "social justice attempts to censor"? Has to be clear and concise.

INCLUDE "VARIANT COVERS" as part of the ripoff gimmicks the big two pull.

Oh yeah, work in a reference to "cultural mendacity" haha. 8)

Also need some reference to the fact that "not being a liberal does not make one a conservative."

MAKE SURE TO MENTION EDITORIAL MANDATES.

IMPORTANT THING ABOUT THE CENSORSHIP SIDE: "comic liberty" is a direct reference to the Charlie Hebdo shootings and the Jyllands Posten as well as all the attempted censorship, bald face acknowledge that it's social justice and muslims that are responsible for most of the censorship today.

Our official stance is that it is wrong to censor art to spare the feelings of any ethnicity or gender or religion. No argument about it, no wishy washy shit, just it's plain fucking wrong.

It's time to call censorship for what it really is. Social justice will use evasive language and excuses and semantic arguments to pretend that their censorship isn't censorship. We're here to say that we've had enough of their lies.

On comic creators ownership and rights:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creator_ownership

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Gerber#Battle_for_Howard_the_Duck

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marv_Wolfman#Marvel_lawsuit

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marvelman#Ownership_battle

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watchmen#Ownership_disputes

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stan_Lee_Media#Lawsuits

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Kirby#Copyright_dispute

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superman#Copyright_issues

On censorship regarding islam:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jyllands-Posten_Muhammad_cartoons_controversy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Hebdo_shooting

The suspicious silence of social justice, only broken to condemn the cartoonists, instead of the murderers.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/2007/08/28/washington-post-other-newspapers-wont-run-opus-cartoon-mocking-radical-islam/

CBLDF about censorship, mostly going into the comics code, and more recently into manga:
http://cbldf.org/resources/history-of-comics-censorship/

Look up some links about the variant covers being pulled (Spidergirl and Batgirl, anything else I can think of)

Continuing on censorship:

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/books/news/dc-comics-pulls-batgirl-variant-cover-featuring-the-joker-after-online-protests-10114408.html

Social justice/feminism supporting censorship:

http://www.themarysue.com/marvel-spider-woman-variant-butt/

Could do a whole entire separate blog about the difference between American puritanical behavior and Europe. Make sure to at least mention that difference with the Spider-woman cover.

At least one sentence about Holy Terror and its example of "soft censorship," where people wanted it gone just because of the material it broached, but they couldn't because they had no say.

That's kind of a different issue, because the book still wasn't very good anyway, and on top of that it wasn't censored, and several reviewers didn't want it censored so much as they didn't like it.

Complaining about art is for plebs. Writing trumps art.

Going to start throwing together ideas for the post itself now.

#comicliberty

It's time to take a stand against corruption and censorship in comics.

WE ARE AGAINST:

Corruption in the comics industry.

Cheap marketing gimmicks and ploys to sell boring comics.

Censorship and social justice. Social justice is a political ideology that involves censoring art that some people find offensive.

WE ARE FOR:

Free speech. We take an extremist stance on free speech. We feel that if someone finds a comic offensive, their only right is to not buy or read that comic.

Building this piece by piece so far so I might end up posting this a shitload of times.

For the record it's two equals signs in front and in back of a line to make it red text. It seems to be 2 to 3 apostrophes to make italics or bold and let me try that

#comicliberty

It's time to take a stand against corruption and censorship in comics.

WE ARE AGAINST:

Corruption in the comics industry. (Here's where all the artists that got ripped off goes, and name Marvel and DC)

Cheap marketing gimmicks and ploys to sell boring comics. There is no problem with Thor being female or Captain America being black. The problem comes from the fact that you know they won't stay that way, because those changes were only made to force a bump in comics sales. The comics industry knows that a #1 always sells at a larger amount, however they also know that the sales drop off by at least half by issue #2, and then halved again at #3. So the big comics companies focus on starting at #1 and with some marketing gimmick as often as they can to force that bump. They do this instead of simply making the best comics they can.

Censorship and social justice. Social justice is a political ideology that involves censoring art that some people find offensive.

WE ARE FOR:

Free speech. We take an extremist stance on free speech. We feel that if someone finds a comic offensive, their only right is to not buy or read that comic.

Creators rights and royalties.

Better comics. (compare American comics and the respect they have with Europe and Japan here)

The right for others to create comics that we don't like. If a comics company truly wants to make bland gimmicky comics, that should always be within their right, as well as our right to demand better comics that are based on content and not attempts to sucker boosts in comic sales with "clickbait" tactics.

Inclusive hiring and creation in comics companies.

(That formatting worked, but I'll add it later.)

#comicliberty

It's time to take a stand against corruption and censorship in comics.

WE ARE AGAINST:

Corruption in the comics industry. From Jack Kirby, Alan Moore, Siegel and Shuster, Steve Ditko, hell even Stan Lee; Marvel and DC have been ripping off their own creators for decades, going all the way back to the dawn of superheroes. These nauseating practices need to be stood against, and buyers of Marvel and DC comics should never be allowed to forget that they're helping to support these corrupt practices every time the buy a comic from "the big two."

Cheap marketing gimmicks and ploys to sell boring comics. From "putting a gorilla on the cover" in the 50s and 60s, to body swapping and retcon nonsense today, Marvel and DC have been fighting out who can whore their product better. They create occasional bumps in sales of issue #1, with massive dropoffs in #2, and reboot to #1 again as often as possible.

Censorship and social justice. Social justice is a political ideology that involves censoring art that some people find offensive. Censorship can come from any direction, but today it comes from a rationalization that social justice is going to "end sexism and racism" by removing any artistic content that portrays it. They falsely claim that portraying rape creates a culture where rape is acceptable, ignoring objective statistics that rape and violent crime have been in a freefall since the 1990s, and are currently at a 20 year low, possibly because of the existence of violent games and art.

At the same time, proponents of social justice refuse to take any stand against the real murders and violence that resulted from the Jyllands Posten Mohammed cartoons, or of course Charlie Hebdo. Instead, social justice overwhelmingly sided with the murderers, and against the cartoonists. This is a disgusting practice and proves the corruptness of the social justice ideology. They are against free speech and free expression just as much as the islamic terrorist murderers. It's time to take a stand against these people, and tell them loudly that they have no place deciding what we want to read. They'll call us racist and sexist for "allowing" racism and sexism in comics, but that is nothing but name calling by people who are not serious in their political beliefs.

WE ARE FOR:

Free speech. We take an extremist stance on free speech. We feel that if someone finds a comic offensive, their only right is to not buy or read that comic. If they don't like it, they can ignore it, and nothing more. This includes hate speech. There is no free speech without hate speech. If you take away any part of free speech, you have no free speech at all. We say this without the rationalization that "free speech must have consequences." While all speech has consequences, this is more often than not simply an excuse for censorship.

Creators rights and royalties. No creator or artist should ever have to sue a company just to get their drawings back or to be paid royalties on characters they created. This is a disgusting and intensely corrupt greedy practice by the comics companies, especially Marvel and DC comics, and everyone who buys comics from Marvel and DC needs to have this hammered into their head.

Better comics. The respect and the pay that comics creators in Japan and Europe receive is more like a movie star over there. That's because the creators own their creations, and their publishers give them their rights and their due. In America, Marvel and DC, and the companies they bought up or swallowed whole, spent as much time cheating creators out of every cent they could. The result is that in Japan and Europe, comics are created by people who love making their stories, and in America the "biggest" comics are made by small companies that are owned by mega conglomerates and exist to create inferior anemic tie ins to toy lines or movie franchises.

The right for others to create comics that we don't like. If a comics company truly wants to make bland gimmicky comics, that should always be within their right, as well as our right to demand better comics that are based on content and not attempts to sucker boosts in comic sales with "clickbait" tactics. I personally don't like superhero comics, but many do, and they should be able to have all the superhero comics they want. They should have better superhero comics though, and I think that better comics should be demanded, but I also agree that it should not be my decision. If the free market is truly deciding, then let it.

(says body is too long, gonna write this in a notepad)

Will need to split the "for" and "against" into separate posts.

#comicliberty

It's time to take a stand against corruption and censorship in comics.

WE ARE AGAINST:

Corruption in the comics industry. From Jack Kirby, Alan Moore, Siegel and Shuster, Steve Ditko, even Stan Lee; for nearly a century the big comics companies, including Marvel and DC, have been ripping off their own creators. These practices should be fought, and buyers of Marvel and DC comics should never be allowed to forget that they're helping to support these corrupt practices every time the buy a comic from "the big two."

Cheap marketing gimmicks and ploys to sell boring comics. From "putting a gorilla on the cover" in the 50s and 60s, to the rampant and meaningless killing off and reviving of superheroes, the Death and Return of Superman, body swapping and retcon nonsense today, reboots for issue #1 sales bumps; again it’s primarily Marvel and DC who have been fighting out who can whore their product better. Not every gimmick or event has resulted in a bad comic, but mostly their purpose is to bump sales than to make a good story. If comics are going to be respected, we have to demand better.

Censorship and social justice. Social justice is a political ideology that demands the privilege to censor art that some people find offensive, in a way recreating an invisible form of the original comics code. Censorship can come from any direction, previously in the form of the Comics Code Authority, but today it comes from a rationalization that social justice is going to "protect people from sexism and racism" by removing any artistic content that portrays it.

Proponents of social justice refuse to speak out against the real murders and violence that resulted from the Jyllands Posten Mohammed cartoons, or of course the mass murders at the offices of the French magazine Charlie Hebdo. Instead, social justice overwhelmingly sided with the murderers, and against the cartoonists. We find the condemning of the cartoonists to be disgusting and cowardly, and it proves that the social justice ideology is corrupt and against free expression just as much as the Islamic terrorist murderers are. We're taking a stand against those that would censor through social justice or terrorist murders, to tell them that they have no place deciding what entertainment we can choose to have.

WE ARE FOR:

Free speech. We take an extremist stance on free speech. We feel that if someone finds a comic offensive, their only right is to not buy or read that comic. This includes the protection of hate speech. There is no free speech without hate speech. If you take away any part of free speech, you have no free speech at all. While all speech has consequences, forcing consequences for unpopular speech is more often than not an excuse for censorship.

Creators rights and royalties. No creator or artist should ever have to sue a company just to get their drawings back or to be paid royalties on characters they created.

Better comics. Comics creators in Japan and Europe have the respect of famous musicians or movie stars, and they get paid well for their creations. The result is that in Japan and Europe, comics are created by people who love making comics, and in America comics are mostly seen as made for children, or cheap cash-in products to sell to grown-ups with bad taste.

Stories unlimited by content. Kids comics, superhero comics, or comics that are disgusting and offensive. All of it should have the right to exist, and no comic or creator should ever be punished for the opinion voiced by a fictional character. To punish a creator for such a thing would be censorship.

Diversity in comics and freedom of portrayal. We have nothing against this practice and welcome it. We put our money where our mouth is when it comes to diversity, instead of social justice and its empty lip service by people who don't create comics, or the big comics companies that seem only interested in token hires for creators. As some of us do create comics, we actually do want to be able to write about whatever ethnicity or gender we want, and without holding back on their portrayal or content, and without social justice saying that you can only portray certain ethnicities in certain ways.

WAYS TO HELP:

http://cbldf.org/
The Comic Book Legal Defense Fund exists to help creators fight for their ownership rights, usually from massive comics companies backed by the conglomerates.

Support the smaller comics companies! If you like superhero comics, they’ll probably never go away, but there's also an ocean of great original content being published. Image Comics dedicates itself to creating original intellectual properties. Fantagraphics publishes and imports hundreds of comics that would not be seen otherwise. Even on the online digital comics vendor comixology, they have an entire section dedicated to independent comics, which any creator can join and sell comics from. https://www.comixology.com/browse-submit

Make your own comics! The medium has infinite potential. Many people on the internet do make their own comics, on image boards and social media sites, from twitter to tumblr to facebook. An anonymous person making a comic for fun on the internet doesn’t have to be beholden to any audience. If you're one of those people who really thinks that "comics need more black people," then what's stopping you from making those comics? Go make them, otherwise you have no moral right to complain.

Stand up for free speech of all forms, even speech you disagree with! Even if you support this cause, you should support the right of dissent to exist, as that is free speech too. Fight the censorship, not the speech.

#comicliberty

It's time to take a stand against corruption and censorship in comics.

WE ARE AGAINST:

Corruption in the comics industry. From Jack Kirby, Alan Moore, Siegel and Shuster, Steve Ditko, even Stan Lee; for nearly a century the big comics companies, including Marvel and DC, have been ripping off their own creators. These practices should be fought, and buyers of Marvel and DC comics should never be allowed to forget that they're helping to support these corrupt practices every time the buy a comic from "the big two."

Cheap marketing gimmicks and ploys to sell boring comics. From "putting a gorilla on the cover" in the 50s and 60s, to the rampant and meaningless killing off and reviving of superheroes, the Death and Return of Superman, body swapping and retcon nonsense today, reboots for issue #1 sales bumps; again it’s primarily Marvel and DC who are guilty of this. Not every gimmick or event has resulted in a bad comic, but mostly their purpose is to bump sales than to make a good story. If comics are going to be respected, we have to demand better. Comic readers should raise their standards.

Censorship and social justice. Social justice is a political ideology that desires censorship of art that some people find offensive, recreating a more invisible form of the original Comics Code Authority. Censorship can come from any direction, previously in the form of that Comics Code, but today it comes from a rationalization that social justice is going to "protect people from sexism and racism" by removing any artistic content that portrays it.

Proponents of social justice refuse to speak out against the real murders and violence that resulted from the Jyllands Posten Mohammed cartoons, or of course the mass murders at the offices of the French magazine Charlie Hebdo. Instead, social justice overwhelmingly sided with the murderers, and against the cartoonists. We find the condemning of the cartoonists to be disgusting and cowardly, and it proves that the social justice ideology is corrupt and against free speech just as much as the Islamic terrorist murderers are. These people have no place deciding what entertainment we may have.

Editorial mandates. The outcome of a story should be decided by the writers, never the editors. Again, a problem that lies with superhero comics, and it’s another reason why superhero comics should probably be avoided as much as possible. Demand comics that can have legitimate consequences for the story, without it being the result of a marketing ploy.

WE ARE FOR:

Free speech. We take an extremist stance on free speech. We feel that if someone finds a comic offensive, their only right is to not buy or read that comic. This includes the protection of hate speech. There is no free speech without hate speech. If you take away any part of free speech, you have no free speech at all. While all speech has consequences, forcing consequences for unpopular speech is more often than not an excuse for censorship.

Creators rights and royalties. No creator or artist should ever have to sue a company just to get their drawings back or to be paid royalties on characters they created.

Better comics. Comics creators in Japan and Europe have the respect of famous musicians or movie stars, and they get paid well for their creations. The result is that in Japan and Europe, comics are created by people who love making comics, while American comics are mostly seen as made for children, or cheap cash-in products to sell to grown-ups with bad taste. This can change if we demand better.

Stories unlimited by content. Kids comics, superhero comics, or comics that are disgusting and offensive. All of it should have the right to exist, and no comic or creator should ever be punished for the opinion voiced by a fictional character. To punish a creator for such a thing would be censorship.

Diversity in comics and freedom of portrayal. We support the existence of all ethnicities in characters and in creators. We put our money where our mouth is when it comes to diversity, instead of social justice and its empty lip service from non-creators, or the big comics companies that seem only interested in token hires. As some of us do create comics, we actually do want to be able to write about whatever ethnicity or gender we want, and without holding back on their portrayal or content, and without social justice saying that you can only portray certain ethnicities in certain ways. Everything should be permitted, from hagiography to stereotype to objectification to glorification to exploitation. From the mundane to the ultramundane.

WAYS TO HELP:

http://cbldf.org/
The Comic Book Legal Defense Fund exists to help creators fight for their ownership rights, usually from massive comics companies backed by the conglomerates.

Support the smaller comics companies! If you like superhero comics, they’ll probably never go away, but there's also an ocean of great original content being published. If you find yourself always complaining about superhero comics and their sleazy gimmicks, maybe it’s time you stop buying them. Image Comics dedicates itself to creating original intellectual properties. Fantagraphics publishes and imports hundreds of comics that would not be seen otherwise. Even on the online digital comics vendor comixology, they have an entire section dedicated to independent comics, which any creator can join and sell comics from. https://www.comixology.com/browse-submit

Make your own comics! The medium has infinite potential. Many people on the internet do make their own comics, on image boards and social media sites, from twitter to tumblr to facebook. An anonymous person making a comic for fun on the internet doesn’t have to be beholden to any audience. If you're one of those people who really thinks that "comics need more black people," then what's stopping you from making those comics? Go make them, otherwise you have no moral right to complain.

Stand up for free speech of all forms, even speech you disagree with! Even if you support this cause, you should support the right of dissent to exist, as that is free speech too. Fight the censorship, not the speech. Demand comics companies stop caving in to complaints. If someone doesn’t like a comic, they don’t have to buy it, and if the publisher is making a mistake then let them and don’t buy their comics.

If you see someone saying that they believe a comic book shouldn’t have certain content in it, tell them you believe in #comicliberty

put what we are for first, and what we're against afterward.

show that we are primarily about what we want to see, and what we would like to have happen.

>>335
>but the audience to get traction might be too splintered

Then fuck em. That's why the movement is ours. They had a chance to add input, instead they argued with each other about if it was even necessary.

>Plus you're here

This board is an emergency stopgap in case our tumblr is deleted, nothing more.

>I fear readers really won't get it

This was what I suspected also, but then that's why this needs to exist. That and a lot of other reasons.

I actually didn't even want to make any "gamergate of comics," and I didn't want SWC to be behind it generally, but no one else was going to do it.

It appears that /gamergate/ is dead, apparently one of the admins flipped out, gave the board to someone else.

#comicliberty

It's time to take a stand against corruption and censorship in comics.

WE ARE FOR:

Free speech above everything else. No excuses or consequences. We believe the government AND the populace should have no right to censor or punish anyone for speech that they don't like.

Better comics, instead of a market flooded with cheap insulting superhero comics, we want to support the underrated risky comics. We want comics like Heavy Metal again, or other comics unbound by societal restrictions.

Creators rights.

Diversity in comics, WITHOUT quotas. If there's going to be a demand for diversity in creators or characters, it has to be natural. Otherwise, it's worthless.

WE ARE AGAINST:

The censorship of social justice currently trying to take hold in comics and culture in general.

Corrupt practices of the comics companies, their history of ripping off artists and creatures such as Jack Kirby, Steve Ditko, or Alan Moore.

Cheap marketing gimmicks that produce mediocre comics. We've had enough of the big two and flooding the market with bad superhero comics.

GETTING INVOLVED?

At the moment, there are no plans to target advertisers as there is in gamergate. This is merely a statement of a demand for free speech. All suggestions to help fight for free speech are appreciated, but the movement has no leader, so it's up to you to stand up for liberty in speech and in comics.