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 No.1005471

Post your retro/outdated computer stuffs

>Discuss old hardware

>Discuss uses for old hardware

>Post information about old hardware

>???

I'll start

>imac G5

>pic related

>old as shit pc that is effectively obsolete

Anons in a previous thread mentioned using it as a home server or by installing some kind of linux on it but the tubes have no information pertaining to this particular model.

Thoughts? Suggestions?

 No.1005479

I don't have much space to store stuff, but I have kept hardware for reading old media. VHS, film scanner, Zip, optical, floppy readers, misc flash readers, SCSI and IDE cards, etc. One item I wish I had kept was an Apple floppy drive. I didn't realize at the time it was a different format than standard PC floppies.


 No.1005481

>>1005479

What are the brands/names of the equipment you have? This is one of my interests but I want to look for things that will actually work for reading/converting old media.


 No.1005487

File: 8005e70474733c1⋯.jpg (1.2 MB, 2592x1944, 4:3, IMG_20181206_212204.jpg)

>but the tubes have no information pertaining to this particular model

Debian supports ppc so it should just work. https://blog.poettner.de/2013/04/28/installing-debian-on-a-white-imac-g5/

>imac G5

>old as shit pc that is effectively obsolete

>2 GHz and 2GB of ram

>obsolete

That's still a lot of computing power, certainly enough to do most things you'd want to do. Compared to an Atari ST 1040 I've found on the side of the road along with it's BW CRT and massive 20MB SH205 hard disk. I've managed to boot it up after replacing power supply and changing bad capacitor in the monitor. Too bad it didn't come with the mouse and pressing keys on the keyboard didn't do anything. I need to repair original power supply and make a mouse interface translator with MCU or FPGA. MCU will probably be enough, unless I don't find PS2 mouse and have to implement usb host which is a pain to do. Sure I could just buy pre-made adapter but where is the fun in that? Cleaning it will also probably take some time as the whole board is caked with what looks like cigarette dust. Previous owner also installed a RAM mod by the looks of it.


 No.1005492

>>1005487

that is a valid point, although my internet is slow as fuck + thick walls make it even slower. I will check out Debian though, its current OS isnt compatible with fucking anything lol.

Now that is fucking cool! how does it smell?


 No.1005493

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>>1005492

>Now that is fucking cool! how does it smell?

Not too bad, monitor smells by far the worst (mixture of burnt/heated dust and burnt electronics). There must be something else wrong with it as the built in speaker is also buzzing constantly. Probably more bad capacitors like pic related that I already replaced.


 No.1005494

>>1005493

It looks incredibly dusty, have you tried giving it a good strong can of air? or maybe wipe it gently with a dry paper towel?


 No.1005495

File: fbb22e112130783⋯.jpg (662.51 KB, 1860x1902, 310:317, IMG_20181206_221619.jpg)

>>1005494

Yes that that pic is after initial cleaning with air. Dust/grime is sticking really well to the surface so mechanical cleaning is probably the only way. PSU looks disgusting. I'm fairly certain that someone probably had an ashtray on top of the PC.


 No.1005496

>>1005495

with that much shit on it it's a surprise it didn't short out even more components

also a quick question about the imac, I don't have a USB stick but I do have disks, I tried booting ubuntu onto it with the disk drive thats built in but it doesn't read disks unless its on, which at that point it does nothing in terms of OS setup


 No.1005498

>>1005471

>old as shit pc that is effectively obsolete

Is it a PPC (usually as in the picture; the webcam model didn't sell well) or x86 (with webcam)? If it's PPC, I'd keep it as-is to run old Mac software; that's why I have mine. On PPC with the "classic mode" Mac OS 9 sandbox, you can run practically anything Basilisk or SheepShaver would but more accurately and without the headaches, lag and whatnot.

For anything else, the old 2 GHz PPC runs slow and hot due to the architecture. It's an early-to-mid P4 in terms of processing power. A 2005 laptop pulled from a trash container will give you better performance for less electricity.


 No.1005499

>>1005496

>I tried booting ubuntu

You did use the PPC version? Standard x86_64 iso won't boot no matter what medium you use. http://mac.linux.be/content/booting-open-firmware#hard_disk You can try even booting over network, but you'll need to set up a TFTP server.


 No.1005503

>>1005498

It's an oldy, no webcam, 17" screen, do you have any links or resources where I can get basilisk and sheepshaver? I can only find anything relative on the macintoshgarden website but even then I cant figure out how to make them work, I think its running OS X, so its a little more dated than say snow leopard or what have you


 No.1005507

>>1005503

I think you're conflating a few things, correct me if I'm wrong.

Basilisk/SheepShaver: emulators for older (pre-X) Macs that run on Windows/Linux/OS X

OS X: Term that includes both PPC OS X and the newer and current Intel/x86 OS X

The latest OS X for PPC is 10.4 I believe. What exactly are you trying to achieve right now?


 No.1005511

>>1005507

Well at this very moment it has Mac OS X 10.5.8

the processor is 1.8ghz PowerPC G5 with 1gb DDR SDRAM

It is incredibly slow and it is incompatible with many web pages and applications. The only thing I can really think of using it for is 1. emulating old mac games, 2. browsing old BBS/image boards, or 3. installing debian and turning it into a home server, and I know nothing of 1 and 3


 No.1005512

>>1005471

am currently running an a6 3650, AMA


 No.1005518

>>1005511

For 1, emulation is unnecessary because Apple provided a way to run a bare metal sandboxed OS 9 within OS X PPC. You just need to get a OS 9 directory in the right place to activate "classic mode" compatibility. You'll have to look up how, I'm phoneposting at the moment. 2 and 3 are doable (I think "Ten Four Fox" is the FF rigged up for PPC) but hardly worth the trouble.


 No.1005519

>>1005481

The tape stuff is all Sony. Film scanner is Nikon. The other stuff is miscellaneous LG/Samsung/Sony/Teac/Adaptec/Iomega. The flash card reader is some generic $20 job I got from BestBuy that reads CF,Sony,MMC, in addition to SD and micro SD.


 No.1005524

>>1005518

>For 1, emulation is unnecessary because Apple provided a way to run a bare metal sandboxed OS 9 within OS X PPC

there doesnt seem to be much quality information about this, are there any tutorials or ways I can figure out how to make this work?


 No.1005529

>>1005524

My understanding is that you need to put the OS 9 "System Folder" in the root of your OS X partition. The following site concurs and provides a more detailed how-to: https://www.cnet.com/news/tutorial-installing-classic-over-a-current-mac-os-x-installation/

I have a OS X system that's never seen OS 9 so I'll test it out.


 No.1005536

>>1005493

Wash it with isopropanol, its near impossible trying to get dirt off well without a liquid to help pull it away. And use a small toothbrush as well to get rid of ths gunk. Rinse it again with isopropanol multiple times. Its volatile so ot evaporates fast and leaves no residue, so its better than just water


 No.1005540

>>1005536

>just water

I'm no scientist but i'm pretty sure putting water directly onto/into any electrical device would corrode/fry it. 10/10 Do not recommend


 No.1005541

>>1005540

Distilled water then.


 No.1005544

>>1005541

I think its more along the lines of "conducts electricity" that will fuck with it famalam

since we're on the subject, if you want to use some kind of electronic/computer for an aquatic application (ex; RC boat/submarine) you can waterproof the circuits and cables by putting on a liberal layer of petroleum jelly when I was a kid I took apart my RC boat and the entire circuit board + propeller shafts were covered in a thick layer of the stuff, so it "should" work


 No.1005548

>>1005544

I don't think distilled water is conductive. Besides, even the most conductive material won't do anything if there's no electricity. Just dry it off.


 No.1005556

>>1005548

Often times there is still a charge within the capacitors and that could be enough to make it pop and sizzle


 No.1005565

>>1005556

Never had a problem with that back when I was repairing TVs, VHSs and stereos. They're pretty tough.


 No.1005567

I have an old FX-8350 build. It's practically an antique.


 No.1005573

>>1005567

Me too. Don't see a reason to upgrade, I even got cheap ECC Ram.


 No.1005580

>>1005567

pics? also how does it run? what are the stats on it?


 No.1005586

File: 7242396a393ed0d⋯.jpg (80.68 KB, 1200x900, 4:3, help.jpg)

Should I do it tech? I'll probably rip the guts out to put my hardware in, and use it to run templeOS on real hardware.


 No.1005587

>>1005586

It's on CL for $30.


 No.1005592

>>1005587

do it

sounds like good fun + /tech/ memays + nostalgia


 No.1005633

I have so much useless junk accumulated that I've picked up from people throwing them to the curb on trash day. There is no good use for old desktops that can't be done better and more efficiently with a cheap SBC. It's sad really that perfectly good hardware doesn't have a use to anybody. Maybe there's some spic or slav charity I can give it away too. It's probably a waste to give it to Africans.


 No.1005707

>>1005633

homebrew botnet?

maybe you can configure it in some way like the enigma machines so that in a post-shtf world you can distribute them to trusted people to communicate securely on


 No.1005717

>>1005633

do you any that look like >>1005586? I will fly to you and pick it up if so, no joke and no homo


 No.1005721

>>1005592

i think i’m gonna, i like the look. easy to gut too since it looks like an ATX standard case


 No.1005761

>>1005633

At least you've got PCI slots and might not have to worry about IME, Spectre, and Meltdown.


 No.1005767

>>1005633

> There is no good use for old desktops that can't be done better and more efficiently with a cheap SBC

in all honesty if I had a shitload of old PC's laying around I would probably disassemble them all and try to build a super frankenputer out of them, with several TB from all the stacked HDD with the maximum amount of memory possible and to top it off use any graphics cards to really boost it, and of course use the PSU to the highest degree necessary, the rest I would either sell to like minded individuals online at fair prices or sell for its scrap value (copper, gold, etc)

Thoughts?


 No.1005768

>>1005633

If it's used infrequently enough the power usage doesn't really matter from a cost or environmental perspective.

I gave my grandpa a trashpicked 1st gen Athlon about 10 years ago. He still uses it a couple hours per week to check emails and news, and all I've had to do is replace an old gNewSense install with Debian that whole time. All the peripherals are from his old IBM PS/2 model 30. Performance hasn't been an issue because he hates autoplaying vids and uses NoScript. I should probably show him lynx considering he preferred "the DOS way of things".


 No.1005769

>>1005767

I spent most of my childhood through college doing this. Just keep it away from your bed if you plan on running at at night and you're golden.


 No.1005772

My daily driver is a PDP-11/70 with 4MB RAM, quad RL02s (10MB HDDs), RX02 (dual 8" floppy), and a VT52 terminal. Runs 2.11BSD as god intended, none of this modern Linux or FreeBSD CoCkery.

Daily reminder that your hardware is proprietary if it didn't come with gate-level schematics. Maybe one day I'll upgrade to a VAX...


 No.1005774

File: b9c8fd3b3cfa161⋯.jpg (3.03 MB, 1836x3264, 9:16, IMG_20160512_005946.jpg)

File: 32a67f13a14cc59⋯.jpg (1.46 MB, 3264x1836, 16:9, IMG_20170704_130423.jpg)

File: 9b7e1ecff23c35a⋯.jpg (1.32 MB, 3264x1836, 16:9, IMG_20170704_130745.jpg)

I collect stuff partly out of some idea of being a sort of preservationist, but mostly out of a backlash from having nothing as a kid. I didn't have a computer until I was 20 years old, and because of that, I still have that same computer (well, its motherboard) running just fine on the other side of the room. I have a laserdisc player, several S-VHS decks, a decent camcorder, but no Betamax decks, and no CED deck. I have Amiga diskette drives, old external Apple diskette drives, a few 1541 drives, branded tape "drives", and more. My asshole relatives junked my $6000 computer collection under the guise of "helping to load the moving truck", as I couldn't get that day off of work to do it myself, and couldn't afford to keep the truck for too many days. I hate them beyond death. I can't afford to recover any of it, as most of it was picked up by sheer accident. I got a complete Amiga 500 and a BIG box of software from the curb because I took a WRONG TURN dropping someone off at home, and saw the system sticking out of a box on garbage night in that neighborhood. And now it's likely buried in pieces in a landfill. Now I collect guns.

But I digress.

Here are some photos of some of what's left. The system with the brown motherboard was my first computer, though originally it had a much stupider case. Lavender and white.


 No.1005776

File: b4f2871475a9f71⋯.jpg (1.26 MB, 3264x1836, 16:9, IMG_20160304_194428.jpg)

File: 7a4f539d23d40f6⋯.jpg (2.98 MB, 1836x3264, 9:16, IMG_20160412_210329.jpg)

File: 13ac969f9ebe7a5⋯.jpg (1.77 MB, 3264x1836, 16:9, IMG_20170720_140943.jpg)


 No.1005777

File: 3510e70f2f017cd⋯.jpg (286.26 KB, 1200x1600, 3:4, image157.jpg)

File: 5237e9d10562315⋯.jpg (243.47 KB, 1600x1200, 4:3, image176.jpg)

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>>1005776

And here's some of what I lost.


 No.1005778

>>1005774

Is that an ATAPI Zip drive with black bezel? I didn't know they even made them in that color. Nice 5.25" floppy drive too. Looks like a highly useful computer.


 No.1005779

>>1005777

I would have lost my mind if my family this stuff away.


 No.1005781

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>>1005772

>proprietary

>using freetard language

have a free text post that explains why you are wrong


 No.1005782

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>>1005778

Yeah. I had a few new Zip disks acquired from Walgreens and other random places when they were being dumped as un-sellable junk a long time ago, and when I got a Power Mac G4 Quicksilver for $10 at a rummage sale, I had to get something for my main desktop to match. Can't have a fucking Mac being the only system with a specific type of disk drive. It's unnatural. It may have THE CLICK OF DEATH. I dunno, but for now, I have it disconnected from power to keep it from getting worse. I can replace belts, clean heads, and replace caps, so if it needs some TLC, I'm capable of providing it.

>>1005779

I'm get fucking enraged every goddamn time I think about it. I wouldn't have brought it up now, if I hadn't in another location last night. The worst part? A friend of mine gave me a box of C64 disks that had software, writing, and artwork created by one of his friends who had died in the early nineties. They threw that out too.

I also collect video games. Never mind that stuff in the pile.


 No.1005783

>>1005717

Nope.

>>1005761

They're all late 90s - 2000s computers, so it's before IME at least.

>>1005767

Even if you built a computer from these using the best parts possible, you would end up with something that's barely usable this decade. There's a method for separating the gold, but I don't know how much you'd get and I'd rather not.

>>1005768

Nobody really wants them, not even kids. They have tablets and phones to do that stuff. Most anything I'd want to use it for would necessarily have to be active most of the time, like a NAS drive, or hosting my own website for the lulz. Only thing I can think of right now, which I might do is built a few machines dedicated to emulating old console games. It's all the rage with normalfags these days, so maybe it'll prevent them from buying the next 'mini' console for 200 dollars.


 No.1005785

>>1005776

>>1005774

>>1005777

comrade I am sorry for you, may your new collection protect what remains of the previous


 No.1005787

>>1005782

I had to give up almost all of my old computers when I moved. I had a Sawtooth G4 that could boot MacOS9. I saved a Powerbook G4 forgetting it can only do MacOS9 in OSX classic mode. I also got rid of my IDE/Floppy/AGP/ISA motherboards along with my two boxes full of cards. I had boxes stacked to the top of my closet both inside and outside. At least now I can open the closet door to get inside. :^)


 No.1005788

>>1005782

the simple fact along that you collect funs and computer stuffs is enough to assure me that the hive mind exists, tell me anon, what do you think of the JQ?


 No.1005791

>>1005787

may your old /tech/ find rest in robot heaven, sometimes change is good>>1005787


 No.1005796

File: ef49d97782a91d8⋯.jpg (1.08 MB, 3264x1836, 16:9, IMG_00000121.jpg)

File: 68d94fba3e5425f⋯.jpg (1.05 MB, 3264x1836, 16:9, IMG_00000161.jpg)

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>>1005785

That's the plan. It is my goal to be able to transcode media and data, and archive it more permanently. Alas, I don't live in an area where rare shit pops up, so it's not like I'll have the source code for unreleased Amiga games or something, but still, it's nice to be able to take files from a disk that nobody else can access, and upload them or put them on a memory card or something. Not that these abilities are ever needed, as most people with ancient computers and disks are dead, and their offspring don't care about that book Grandpa was writing on his Packard Bell, or the poetry great aunt Catherine was working on. Other artifacts in my collection include very old cameras (the kind you likely have to make your own film for), and a shitload of VHS tapes. Also the aforementioned video games.

>>1005787

My Quicksilver could boot OS9, I guess, if I pulled the hard drive that has too high a version of OS X on it to go back, but I would rather have my old iMac back, because I had put OS9 onto it. Still, it was a bit of a boat anchor, and a computer without a built-in monitor is more convenient to lug around, and store. My only spare motherboards have capacitor plague, and aren't capable enough to be of any real use even if I recapped them. I mean, what good is a 1.2GHz computer now? It's not old enough to be period-appropriate for classic games, and not new enough to be super-useful it stuff like dicking around on the web, since Cloudflare blocks older browsers, and backs damn near every site. My closet has about a hundred pounds of old media in it, as it stays cool in winter and summer. I don't dress nicely enough to need a closet for keeping my clothes orderly and wrinkle-free.

>>1005788

𝕳𝖊𝖎𝖑𝖊𝖉!

The Valkyries have smiled upon your post. Let us just say that I have had more than enough poor experiences with being denied home loans for no valid reason (my job letting me pay $50k in rent is not stable enough to pay back a loan of $20k, for a home I would be living in and paying a lower mortgage payment than my current rent is), and I have seen firsthand what forced diversity brings to a large business. Goddamn distress and misery for everybody with an IQ above fever temperature.


 No.1005797

>>1005796

you and I are one in the same

may the gods smile upon us in the tumultuous years to come and may we have funs, freedom, and all the oldie but goodies tech stuffs imaginable

Gott Mit Uns Bruder!


 No.1005800

>>1005781

I don't necessarily disagree with that article on the whole. I just think that the relevance of the "four freedoms" is diminished by the sheer size and complexity of modern software. In 1986 users were for the most part still expected to be programmers, and it was still possible to understand the entirety of your computer if you took the time to study it. Read the rest of that guy's site and you'll probably come to the conclusion that microprocessors were a mistake.


 No.1005801

>>1005791

I didn't get rid of everything, but I did have to prioritize. My computer hardware is down to a 5 shelf edsal rack. My closet has no clothes and is completely full of banker boxes and consoles with decades of various media and games. My NTSC CRT TV set, VHS, and Wii are stacked on my dresser. My brother had no room in his place for some of my dad's old stuff so I have a tube amp and speakers sitting underneath my computer desk with old laptops sitting on top. I can't even put my legs all the way under, but I just cant part with my dad's dynakit.


 No.1005805

>>1005796

>I mean, what good is a 1.2GHz computer now?

For me, it's all about being able to access old media. I have quite a bit of MacOS (not macOS) software that belonged to my dad. Unfortunately MacOS emulators are in a very poor state. To further complicate things, MacOS spanned 68k and PPC.


 No.1005806

>>1005800

I screencapped most if not all of his posts, I haven't read them all yet but I do agree, it was mentioned that Power PC processors were essentially the peak of high-tech high-security processors, things have now switched to super-tech low-security, at least in the case of "if they wanted to, they could", to my knowledge old PPC processors physically couldn't have a back door, because they were just too simple


 No.1005868

>>1005805

Hmm, true, I suppose. My main system (the one with all of the disk drives) was built around 2008 or so, and while it's a pain that it's only fit for DDR2 and maxes out at 8GB, it works with a lot of hardware, making it rather useful. I keep forgetting that my system is within the interim category of "not classic" and "not modern". I find myself hunting for mid to late-nineties Macs, not only to replace the ones I had, but to bridge the gap between the newer and older systems. HFS formatting a SCSI HDD for use in a Mac Plus takes a particular set of equipment that I now lack.


 No.1005943

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>>1005777

Sorry to see you lost so much of that. With how hard most of those machines are to find in the wild, and with how much the retro reseller bubble has grown it must be painful to try rebuilding that collection.


 No.1006035

>>1005580

it's an "8 core" processor that is slower than most quadcores


 No.1006039

I have the G4


 No.1006040

>>1005868

All you need is a SCSI PCIE card with the right backward adapter and hfsprogs on Linux. The floppy disks are more of an issue because you can't read them on regular PC floppy drives.


 No.1006060

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>>1005943

Indeed, I'm still angry about it even now, and that happened almost ten years ago. The thing that's really irking me is that in the past five or so years, the price of 3.5" FDDs has skyrocketed. New old stock seems to have completely dried up, and "refurbished" drives ar going for ten times what they used to, if not more. Hard disk drives under 20GB tend to cost a relative mint as well. Everyone on Vogons keeps saying "use a CF card adapter", but that seems like a shit solution for any OS that uses virtual memory.

>>1006040

I'll keep that plan in mind. I was wondering if my PCI SCSI card would work in the G4 Mac I already have, but that sounds like a better idea, as I have a ratty Dell system that would work well enough in hosting it for that purpose.

My current computer inventory:

8 BIT

Atari XE GS that locks up when RETURN is pressed in the BASIC environment. Could be a BASIC ROM issue, but replacing it is likely not going to happen.

Commodore 64c in good shape, but will not be used until a not-shitty power supply is acquired. Multiple BAD Commodore power supplies are in my closet, and each can kill a PLA chip in no time flat. The retard engineers thought it would be a good idea to make a supply that overvolts when it fails, and then to encase the fucking thing in a brick of epoxy so it cooks itself to death. I have two "dead" C64s because of this issue. Not sure about my four 1541 drives.

Tandy CoCo 2 with only one cart, Downland. People want $20 for the first game I played on it, Mega Bug, but I don't $20-want Mega Bug.

PORTABLE

IBM Thinkpad 760E, broken display. Some pothead stepped on it while I was running a surface scan of the hard drive. It rests in the basement until the day I can find replacement parts and also am not living on crackers and tap water.

Toshiba Satellite A205. Garbage. A useless machine so stripped down by the manufacturer that if it were a car, it would have a crank start.

DESKTOP

Unbranded 486 66MHz system. Needs a DALLAS RTC chip operation before I will bother adding stuff to it.

Unbranded Pentium 60MHz system. Same DALLAS issue.

Packard Bell Legend 300 CD in PRISTINE condition. No yellowing, no dust. Needs a DALLAS operation, too. Drove across the state to pick it up, and I never even use it...

HP Vectra D2933A 486 66XM, my go-to Windows 3 box. Needs a new hard drive, but is otherwise a decent machine. See attached images.

AMD K6-2 desktop, my first computer, operational

Dell Inspiron 530, typical disposable Dell junk.

Core 2 Quad desktop, my current system

APPLE

Power Mac G4 Quicksilver running OS X 10.3.5 I think

Mac Plus, unknown specifications, former school computer, likely bad caps, cannot open it without a long-blade T15 driver, which I have yet to source.

Just some of the systems that were junked without my knowledge or consent:

Amiga 500 (complete with printer, monitor, and large number of disks)

Amiga 1000

Commodore monitor

Commodore 64 (x3) (along with irreplaceable content I was preserving for a friend)

Apple ][

Apple iigs

Apple III (didn't know these existed until I found one at a flea market)

A bevvy of Mac systems, including an LC2 and some Quadra models

Multiple AT&T Globalyst systems

Packard Bell 386 and 486 compact desktops

Pentium-era Dell and Gateway (2000) systems

Atari 5200 (4 controller) in good condition

Tandy Color Computer 2

Tandy 1000

Tandy 1000 RLX


 No.1006070

>>1005783

>Even if you built a computer from these using the best parts possible, you would end up with something that's barely usable this decade. There's a method for separating the gold, but I don't know how much you'd get and I'd rather not.

Disconnect from the botnet and suddenly it's usable again and will be until it breaks. No working part is always worth more than its gold value, even a 64MB SDRAM stick or a shitty Celeron will get you $5-10 on ebay.


 No.1006072

>>1006070

>No working part is

*A working part is


 No.1006099

>>1006060

>cannot open it without a long-blade T15 driver, which I have yet to source

don't let your dreams be dreams https://www.aliexpress.com/item/cool-fleshlight/32888457329.html


 No.1006104

>>1006099

I was half-assedly trying to get one stateside so I wouldn't have to wait a month for a plastic envelope from China, and since I only need a T15, I'll keep costs low and just hunt for a single driver/bit. Annoying that the handle alcove is so badly designed that I can't fit a regular T15 driver into it.


 No.1006116

>>1006099

this isn't chink shit general?


 No.1006126

File: ff51a06e94bb048⋯.jpg (1.65 MB, 3264x2448, 4:3, IMG_6987.JPG)

File: 8ebcd3580c3122c⋯.jpg (1.32 MB, 3264x2448, 4:3, IMG_6072.JPG)

File: c028d05eb9347b3⋯.jpg (1.15 MB, 3264x2448, 4:3, IMG_3726.JPG)

I used to have tons of stuff but really slimmed down over the years. What I have online now is a //e, a CoCo2 (My 1st computer),TRS80 Model IV, and a few XTs. All have modems and all have KERMIT. I have a PPC mac running NetBSD and it also has a modem running C-KERMIT.

All the modems are connected to an old key style Panasonic EASA Phone PBX so they can call each other. It makes moving files around between systems easy and I can dial in to the nbsd machine and then telnet/ssh/irc out from there. Been playing with CP/M22 on the //e with a Z80 softcard and M4 lately. Reading up on UUCP now so I can have emails move through my "network".


 No.1006132

>>1006126

Sounds really cool

Can you tell us more


 No.1006146

File: 9bf8ba7a4ac5791⋯.jpg (44.35 KB, 480x640, 3:4, Panasonic-KX-T30810-PBX-30….jpg)

File: 2d5487ed262301a⋯.jpg (70.84 KB, 1200x800, 3:2, xl_100_4758.jpg)

File: 7acaf0bd76bd8d0⋯.jpg (21.36 KB, 600x482, 300:241, item_XL_4598758_1148648.jpg)

Well KERMIT is really what ties everything together.

http://www.kermitproject.org/archive.html

With that you can exchange files between anything that can speak RS232. I started off with RS232 switchboxes and crazy adapters trying to link everything to move files around.

With the PBX its all automatic. I can use a modem on one machine to dial any other machine. The PBX has FXS jacks that act just like a real a real lineline with correct voltages. They generate dialtone and ring. So you can use any standard modem.

If I want to call the NetBSD machine from the //e I just tell the //e to dial "101". The PBX routes the call to 101 and sends ring voltage to the mac's modem. 100% like calling a modem over real landlines. It answers the call just like it would a normal call.

You can find old PBX's for almost nothing now because everyone is going to ViOP. Just make sure it supports analog SLT/"Single Line Telephones". I snagged mine from a recycling center. The KX-TES824 is the last version that supports old SLT devices.


 No.1006158

>>1006146

Nice. I was considering getting one to get my Dreamcasts online, but fucks in my area want hundreds for them and don't provide any information about exactly which one they're selling.


 No.1006160

File: 8da77e114b9bc6a⋯.webm (12.15 MB, 640x480, 4:3, futureintro.webm)

>>1006060

It's probably not a big deal to use CF/SD cards in machines that old, even if they do use page files. After all, newer devices like windows tablets and SBCs use a similar grade of flash memory or even SD cards with decent reliability despite writing way more to disk in the form of virtual memory than any of the old machines would ever need to. Plus, it's great for quick file transfers if those machines aren't networked or the NIC drivers are borked. I think it is possible to get around disk size limitations with certain software, but I have absolutely no experience with that and therefore can't comment on its utility or reliability with any confidence.

I've been keeping my eye on some of those 8-bit and 16-bit micros, but it for some reason it seems cheaper to go for some of the odder and rarer ones like the SX-64 if you want a complete system with a disc drive. For reference- a regular C64 seems to be going for $60-$100 with a PSU, and the 1541 I've seen go up to $125 with the necessary cables and the manual. This is by no means definitive, and you can likely find better deals with a little patience and dedication. I suppose finding the missing parts I need to put together an AMD DX2-66 machine could also put a dent in my wallet- as the necessary motherboard, case, power supply, as well as keyboard and mouse are going to add up to a potentially substantial amount.

What do you have to say about your working machines in terms of what they're good for? In particular the 486s, and the K6.

as for my collection- nothing too interesting. just some p3/p4/athlon era machines, a couple of core 2s, and a g3 iMac with a dying optical drive

>>1006116

If you can find chink shit computers/game systems from before 2000 or so, go ahead.

>>1006126

Is there anything specific you do to convert those bitmaps into a format usable by the Apple II?


 No.1006168

>>1006158

If you are willing to spend money I would just get an 824 then.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Panasonic-KX-TA824-Advanced-Hybrid-System-Cabinet-3-Lines-x-8-Station-W-Cover/352536840124

Dreamcast -> PBX -> *nix machine with modem running pppd -> internet.

>>1006160

>Is there anything specific you do to convert those bitmaps into a format usable by the Apple II?

I just convert them to gif then kermit them to the //e. "iigif" is the a2 image viewer I use.


 No.1006173

>>1005781

all of the arguemnts i read in that pic are extremely easy to dispute, the author's an idiot and im not even a freetard


 No.1006174

File: 03a6dfa128936ab⋯.jpg (65.29 KB, 800x640, 5:4, cg003.jpg)

>>1006160

>a regular C64 seems to be going for $60-$100 with a PSU

Fuck the PSU. Build your own, or buy a newly-fabricated one, or your C64 will be dead in a hurry.

>What do you have to say about your working machines in terms of what they're good for? In particular the 486s, and the K6.

The 486 is good for DOS games, and testing to see how far backward recent hardware can be pushed. I use a USB optical mouse (with that omnipresent PS/2 adapter), and a super-slim PS/2 keyboard, as well as an LCD monitor. Yeah, it's a purist's nightmare, but it makes it easier to use. I also use it to test the website I run for all of a handful of visitors; The Homepage of the Oldternet.

https://www.geocities.ws/oldternet/

Most of what I have there are wallpapers and icons I've been making, but I may also use it to host ROMhacks (since Nesticle seems to be able to us them, amazingly) and anything I produce in Visual Basic 3, which I was trying to install when I found the HDD had more bad sectors than previously known.

The AMD system was my first computer, so I will keep it alive until I die. I use it for testing Win9X-specific stuff, as well as ISA and PCI cards, since it's less of a pain in the ass to use than my older computers with their ten ton cases and brittle locking mechanisms. I used to use it for digital art (attached) about 20 years ago, as well as for making textures and maps for Quake II. Nothing particularly impressive, mind you, as I was always too impatient to be a perfectionist, and Qoole was a TERRIBLE mapping tool, in spite of its simple interface.

Both of these systems are Internet-capable, though Cloudflare blocks the browsers that they can use, limiting which sites I can actually browse. It's nice looking at old sites in an old browser, in a room with a lot of old decorations, media, and technology in it. I always wanted to make a room that was 1986, with wood panel walls, shag carpet, decorated mirrors, a floor model Curtis Mathes color TV set, fireplace, touch-activated-lamp with a three-way bulb, bookcase full of scifi and fantasy novels from the fifties and sixties, an Atari 2600 and a dresser drawer full of loose carts, and more period-appropriate stuff. Just a nice hideaway in the past, with no Internet, and the only LCD is on the giant calculator on the desk.

>>1006168

I'll keep an eye on it, should my fortunes reverse.


 No.1006184

Give me some of your old hardware ideas.

Here are mine.

<HTPC

Easy to do. If you have smart TVs you can turn one laptop as HTPC plus you don't get the subtitles fucked up by the native smart TV player. Use mpv which is by far the fastest and works on both linux and windows (if you're having trouble with audio over hdmi).

<Universal LCD driver/controller board

recycling old and working displays from dead laptops

the problem is the colors are likely not calibrated so invest on a calibration profile colorimeter such as X-rite, Pantone, and Spyder.

Monitors cost a lot and if you manage to get a lot of universal controller board you'll get around $0-$30 per screen and it can be used for a multiple monitor setup (with even less bevel) and also for some SBCs lying around (because SBC monitors are expensive).

<Old laptop hdd + a new hdd to usb scsi controller board (usb 3.0)

Laptop hard drives if they have no bad sectors yet (and other severe smart stats) are good for storage. Most laptop drives are immune to certain shock

<DVD r/w

These optical drives aren't usually broken and can be tested if it works and you can go find a controller board if you still use them (so you don't populate usb ports or accidentally disconnect when on a live OS) .

<web cam

Maybe set up a CCTV all over your place. That is if you find a controller board to make it useful at all or make one yourself.

Also, there's a huge amount of good screws and rubber that is very useful. Try to get as much as you can.

<RAM

Old SO-DIMMs are extremely rare if they're in perfect condition despite being old since no one's manufacturing them right now. Some recent SO-DIMMs can be used with server boards.

>>1005493

>monitor smell by far the worst

I wouldn't suggest smelling that. It's likely mercury vapor leaks and it is a complete health hazard. This is existent on older fluorescent-lit panels.


 No.1006256

>>1006184

>I wouldn't suggest smelling that. It's likely mercury vapor leaks and it is a complete health hazard. This is existent on older fluorescent-lit panels.

There is mercury inside CRTs? I know there is lead and phosphors, but mercury? As far as I know there is only vacuum inside the tube. Phosphor coating on the front is what emits light.


 No.1006272

>>1005496

Do what >>1005499 suggested and make sure you're using a PowerPC build of Linux. PowerPC Macs are completely incompatible with x86 operating systems and software. Try using the ppc64el build of Debian.


 No.1006300

>>1006256

>This is existent on older fluorescent-lit panels.


 No.1006337

File: 3d8b8641f7b4982⋯.jpg (3.19 MB, 3120x4208, 195:263, IMG_20181208_102650.jpg)

I use a 5th gen iPod with the HDD swapped for 512GB of microSD and a new battery, flashed with rockbox.


 No.1006344

>>1006337

the fuck is this chink shit faggot


 No.1006357

What counts as "old hardware"? More than 10 years old (i.e. any pre-Core-i system and contemporary components/peripherals)?


 No.1006360

>>1005761

>Spectre

To dodge Spectre you'd need to go as far back as a Pentium MMX 233 MHz. Not much use in such a system in #currentyear.


 No.1006361

>>1006344

Fuck you faggot.


 No.1006427

If installing XP to a Core 2 system, is there any point at all in bothering with getting it to install/run with the SATA controller in AHCI mode, or should one just stick with IDE mode?


 No.1006432

>>1005567

Keep hold of it. I just bought a new FX-8350 to build a new system with. It's still got plenty enough grunt for most applications, and it's the last (practical) desktop processor before AMD followed Intel and kiked their chips with PSP. There is the FX-9xxx series of course, but with mental 220W TDP and water cooling mandatory, I don't consider them a viable solution. Beyond that, the only possible non-botnet upgrade is Opteron server hardware (which I'll probably acquire when used prices drop sufficiently).


 No.1006440

File: 7ae284782f541be⋯.webm (1.11 MB, 480x270, 16:9, boomer meme shoot.webm)

>>1006361

fuck you cocksucker!

>vid related

>>1006337

speaking of ipods and mp3 players, do any of you know what kind of ipod snake had in the metal gear series? yknow the one with the spinny circle? I can't seem to find one that fits the bill


 No.1006456

File: f305598691b0618⋯.jpg (81.17 KB, 1280x720, 16:9, druaga1.jpg)

>>1006427

unless you have at least a SATA2 chipset with an SSD don't bother - AHCI is best left to win7


 No.1006472

>>1006456

What if you'd like to multi-boot XP, 7, and a few contemporary Linux/BSD systems? Three options present themselves

>install XP in IDE mode and the others in AHCI mode, and bother to switch to IDE mode in BIOS to boot XP and switch back to AHCI to boot any other OS

>make the effort to have XP work on AHCI mode too, thus not needing to touch the BIOS setting

>not give a fuck about AHCI at all and install and run all OSes in IDE mode


 No.1006476

What's the best ATA HDD producer? My 15 year old laptop's hard drive finally gave up the ghost.


 No.1006479

File: db1dc8cea42296b⋯.jpg (11.89 KB, 300x257, 300:257, s-l300.jpg)

>>1006476

mSATA > IDE

t. T22, T23, M40 and M50 all with mSATA SSDs converted to IDE with pic related.


 No.1006480

>>1006479

With that being said, don't bother spending boatloads of money on a mSATA SSD, something like a 120GB Kingston UV500 will suffice.


 No.1006482

>>1006479

>>1006480

I didn't know these were a thing. Thank you.


 No.1006484

>>1005471

>>imac G5

>>old as shit

I daily a powerbook g4. Anon you're (probably) running macOS 10.4, maybe 10.5. If you're running 10.5, it may be faster on 10.4. There's all kinds of things you can do with them, other than run debian.

LibreOffice is still supported.

So is TenFourFox, and if that's too slow try out Camino, which is unsupported (security vulnerable possibly, beware) , but super fast on PPC and does well with low-JS websites.

Also, Halo 1 and 2 run natively on them.

Man, I'd kill for a G5. My dream is to get one of the Dual Core ones and have a macOS/ Gentoo dual boot.

I'm currently looking towards a GNUstep build on my g4. I think I'll just start with Debain, but after I get the hang of it I'm gonna do a BSD kernel. Supposedly, there was a GNUstep on Darwin project once upon a time. Now that would be cool.

>>1005496

You did smash cmd+"c" as you were booting, no? If not, look up some quick OpenFirmware commands and boot into that. Fun fact, OpenFirmware is written in Fourth and you can run any Fourth command from the OpenFirmware shell.

>>1005498

There is no "classic mode" for anything newer than a g3. However, you can run SheepSaver at near-native performance because it is still PPC. Also, in terms of heat, new thermal paste and maybe a fan-mod will go leagues towards improving performance and sustainability.

>>1005507

10.4 was PPC. 10.5 was PPC and Intel. Actually, on any 10.5 mac is binaries for PPC _and_ Intel. Including every program! How wasteful!

>>1005511

Lots of mid-2000s games had mac ports that will run great on it. Many have been forgotten about. Try to look for really old (>2006/7) forum posts.

>>1005536

Do NOT use just any isopropyanol alcohol. Either use distilled water, which has a 0% chance of fucking with anything (>>1005556 is talking out of his ass), or use a very, very pure ethanol alcohol. Never, ever use denatured alcohol. Many store-bought cleaning alcohols have additives making them toxic to humans, so you throw them up before the alcohol kills you. These added toxins leave residue on electronics that can really fuck with things, especially where contact is made. Water is the best cleaning solution for powered-off electronics. Just dry it with a towel/ hair dryer (beware of heat exposure).

t. A guy who's broken a lot of shit by doing stuff the wrong way


 No.1006488

>>1006440

First gen iPods had a mechanical spinner wheel instead of a touch wheel.


 No.1006493

>>1006488

can you post a pic of one, preferably black, i knew someone who had one a long time ago and ive been looking for one that matches it (it also had the mechanical spinner) and everything coming up on google is either just buttons or the touch wheel


 No.1006501

>>1006484

it is currently on Mac OS X 10.5.8

do you know of any good resources/tutorials? like specifically how to install basilisk and sheepshaver and also where to find said games, currently i only know of macintoshgarden


 No.1006502

File: 82da9063d6ef3f2⋯.png (880.79 KB, 1920x1080, 16:9, IPod_Pic_1_(Metal_Gear_Sol….png)

>>1006493

The didn't make black ones until the 5th gen. You can see pictures of all the models here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_iPod_models

If you want one for actual listening don't bother with 6th gen and above. That's when the Wolfson company went out of business and they stopped using the Wolfson DAC, which makes the older iPod actually have better sound quality than the new ones with Cirrus DACs. That said I also looked up Metal Gear's iPod and all I can find is the one from MGS4, which looks a lot like a 5th gen to me.


 No.1006506

>>1006502

im slightly confused, isnt there supposed to be a whitish semi clear ring that rotates around the buttons?


 No.1006509

>>1006506

How about you just click the link he provided.


 No.1006556

I have bad new comrades, there is a possibility that my dad has thrown away a box of miscellaneous electronic components, chief among them being some old RAM cards, along with some laptop screens and other bits. it contained the parts out of at least 2 laptops of varying age. may we have a moment of silence for all /tech/ and /tech/ accessories that have been lost to the ignorance of normies.


 No.1006560

>>1006556

F

A moment of quiet rage, perhaps, but not a peaceful silence.


 No.1006574

>>1006556

>RAM cards

DIMMs are sticks, not cards


 No.1006576

File: fd90d98ecfac071⋯.jpg (866.67 KB, 1365x586, 1365:586, ram card.jpg)

>>1006574

He could be referring to one of these ram expansion cards for an old IBM.


 No.1006584

>>1006576

>>1006574

no comrades, it was a handful of old thinkpad sticks/cards ranging from 1gb to 4gb and worth between $20-$30 bucks online


 No.1006608

>>1006479

Never knew about this. I was about to suggest IBM pATA IDE but those are currently hard to find.


 No.1006660

>>1006479

>operating systems you would install on that kind of machines obviously assume HDDs

>let's shove SSDs there anyway

How is it going to work (TRIM etc)?


 No.1006671

>>1006501

There is a PPC mac app store. https://ppcappstore.wordpress.com/

Also, there's another website http://powerpcsoftware.com/

Not sure how dated this stuff is. Check out homebrew and tigerports (linux-like package managers). They install from source iirc.


 No.1006680

>>1006660

>>lets shove SSDs there anyway

The OS is hardware agnostic, it merely needs a certain protocol (IDE). Many SSDs have hardware TRIM anyways, and lack of TRIM shouldn't be a worry with such small and lightly-used SSDs.


 No.1006684


 No.1006693

File: 9b2ceefce321812⋯.jpg (1.43 MB, 1709x1394, 1709:1394, 20181208-234533.JPG)

File: 96f081e024f4553⋯.jpg (1.04 MB, 1687x1397, 1687:1397, 20181208-233742.JPG)

Recently scored for myself a 8" Composite monitor <3

>SD Cards on 8-bit micros.

Easily done. For the 6502, search for Dolo Miah's code. 2GB and under SD cards also support variable/256 byte block sizes, which makes things easier for 8 bitters.

What's also easy to do? IDE. 14 GPIO for control/data signals, which a 6522/6820/8255/et.al. can handle, and you don't need to worry about level conversion like with SD.


 No.1006712

Anybody do anything with consumer hardware here? Seems like everything with a cartridge slot has flash carts for it, some even with a way to communicate with a host pc. Quite a few also run code (the supercard dstwo, and sd2snes are the 2 I can think of)


 No.1006720

>>1006671

OSX went to shit the day they appstore went live. If you have a PPC Mac and you want the OSX experience, get Final Cut Pro Studio, Adobe CS2, Maya, and MS Office and call it a day.


 No.1006799

>>1006720

I want to get some of the original games but it takes literal hours to download > ~1gb

and some of the games need to be downloaded in 3 parts of similar size, plus the downloads "fail" frequently and need to be restarted, so its a lot of time with no guarantee of success


 No.1006801

>>1006671

seems like a useful resource, thank you


 No.1006805

>>1006720

Anon, this is an "aftermarket appstore". Just a good place to find PPC software! Also, everything about the switch to Intel was ashit. That's when apple went from the king of (home) computing to just another x86 player. Their OS was still decent till El Capitan imho --remember, you've never _had_ to use the app store.

>>1006799

Anon, maybe look for torrents and torrent it on a different pc? At the very least, download it on another computer with some kind of sequential dl manager.

>>1006801

No problem anon. Wish I had more for you. Some day when I'm a little more settled and not on my school's shitty network, it'd be cool to have an ftp server for PPC software, maybe even develop a binary repository. Nevertheless, the software is out there somewhere. It'll be a lot quicker to find if you search on a quicker machine, tho!


 No.1006828

File: f76ee6e2fe12fc2⋯.jpg (469.8 KB, 1280x720, 16:9, VID_20181207_205157.mp4_sn….jpg)

>>1006712

Do what with consumer hardware? I repair game controllers, replace batteries with CR2032 sockets (of course, I know better than to do this without a diode for recharging internal batteries), and rarely modify consoles and replace dead laser diodes. I have yet to take a soldering iron to a motherboard, and I may install a DSP chip into my Super Everdrive so Mario Kart and Pilotwings will work with it.


 No.1006860

File: 259f666682709b5⋯.webm (3.14 MB, 640x480, 4:3, capture.webm)

>>1006174

Interesting stuff. So far, all I've really done with my P3 is play some old games and test out a capture card that's a bit too new for a 866 MHz processor especially with the lack of any hardware video encoding. It still can produce somewhat acceptable results though.

>Build your own, or buy a newly-fabricated one, or your C64 will be dead in a hurry.

Is there any model of newly made one you'd be willing to shill for? At the moment my soldering iron isn't exactly in the most functional statetakes way more effort to melt the solder than it should, yet can still burn a hole in a PCB. I suppose I deserve it for buying a chink iron.

>>1006693

Is it monochrome or color? Looks pretty decent for what it is, even if the lack of an outside cover/chassis is somewhat questionable.


 No.1006915

>>1006799

I have no idea what that had to do with what I said unless the games you want are shovelware shit only available on appstore.


 No.1006918

>>1006915

no i mean like the old games, like the ones found on macintosh garden, i dont want any of those mind-numbing repetitive shit (((games))) they offer

my biggest trouble is 1. trying to download games whose file sizes are bigger than 500mb and emulating pre-PPC mac games


 No.1006954

>>1006805

I just cracked open my powerbook and looked over the software. Currently building irssi, and it's probably gonna take all night. Anyways, PPC Media Center is the only way I'm able to watch Youtube (and download!) on the thing. It works very well for SD video, and it may even play HD well on the G5 you've got. VLC works alright for media, but at least the G4 does not do h.264 at all (and the G5 still doesn't have hardware h.264 acceleration). It'd be neat to get mpv working on it, but I haven't looked into it yet.


 No.1006970

File: a7fa2872584b68e⋯.jpg (61.53 KB, 640x480, 4:3, trivolt01.jpg)

File: 25e37deb529d391⋯.jpg (64.93 KB, 640x480, 4:3, trivolt02.jpg)

>>1006860

>Is there any model of newly made one you'd be willing to shill for? At the moment my soldering iron isn't exactly in the most functional statetakes way more effort to melt the solder than it should, yet can still burn a hole in a PCB. I suppose I deserve it for buying a chink iron.

I see them being sold out of Eurostan on ebay, but I have yet to buy one. Really, you can make them out of 12V AC power supplies and 5V DC chargers, but that's kinda' hit or miss, considering most of those are cheap Chinese trash. I recommend checking Youtube for people talking about them, preferably people with a good reputation in the classic computing scene who aren't shilling bullshit all the time. I stopped looking into it because I didn't really want to invest fifty bucks in a new power supply when I only have two games for the system, and no CF/SD card adapter for it. There's really no "brand" to look for, since it's a bunch of random people putting them together. Alternately, you can get a C64-saver, or whatever people call them. They go between the existing supply and the C64, and shut off if the supply shits the bed and tries to goodify the computer with forced diversity of voltages.

For the soldering iron, maybe grind down the tip to remove severe oxidation, if it's there, then tin the tip with some solder. My primary iron was some unbranded thing I got in college, but I still have a ratty Radio Shack iron in my tool case, just in case. Here's the bullshit I used to do 20 years ago.


 No.1006971

File: f9a0cb381c2340b⋯.jpg (2.54 MB, 4912x3264, 307:204, DSC00150.JPG)

My first computer. Atari 800XL, I just don't really have a floppy drive to go with it, had a 1010 but it was not much useful. Software were rare so it was a fancy typewriter and a thing to learn and practice BASIC.


 No.1007080

>>1006680

>The OS is hardware agnostic

In another thread (I think the stickied question one) someone was asserting that "new OSes are made with SSDs in mind".


 No.1007137

File: 1622dca5a57dda8⋯.jpg (669.47 KB, 1632x2456, 204:307, DSC0890f3.JPG)

File: c896a8975526c28⋯.jpg (4.13 MB, 4912x3264, 307:204, DSC08900.JPG)

File: 886c4d223d40249⋯.jpg (2.97 MB, 4912x3264, 307:204, DSC08941.JPG)

>>1006971

Ah let's post the rest, including /g/uro.


 No.1007156

File: 21f17ebf9478fad⋯.jpg (10.2 MB, 4912x3264, 307:204, DSC09164.JPG)


 No.1007157

File: 0369248c31d7a21⋯.jpg (2.17 MB, 3200x2400, 4:3, DSC09151.JPG)

File: d2cf5fad8a6b516⋯.jpg (930.03 KB, 2456x1632, 307:204, DSC09173.JPG)


 No.1007201

>>1007080

Would need sauce on that. Only thing I can think of is block sizes.


 No.1007208

>>1007201

Alignment and TRIM.


 No.1007297

>>1006805

would it be easier to just reinstall a new copy of OS X 10.4 to emulate older games? at the moment its saying that sheepshaver and basilisk are no longer supported and I don't have the knowledge base to be going into partitions and all the other shit required for emulation


 No.1007307

In college now, a couple days left until I head back home to the bay area. Damn, if I could have been born a few years earlier I wouldn't have missed out on all the cool stuff that went on, now its just apple and google.

This year I had a rough time coping when an electronics warehouse closed down. I used to driver there often after school when I was still in high school and pick up stuff to mess with. Now thaf I have money to get all those thinkpads and IBM PCs they had, they're gone. I curse my luck every time I think about this. Hoping to visit some recycling centers in the area, and I really hope I'll be able to find some neat stuff and that they don't stop me from taking any junk. It hurts to see them scrap old stuff when I'd gladly pay for it. If only I had infinite time I'd save all the old hardware and let them live a cage-free retirement.

Anyway, I'm thinking of putting together a DOS PC. Everyone talks about gaming and stuff, and I guess I'd play some games on it if I put one together, but I'm interested in getting one online and using it for telnet and IRC. Even an early 80s processor can handle that. It would be really cool.


 No.1007391

File: 1c9e0ab0cdf5537⋯.png (11.26 KB, 640x480, 4:3, doubledeuce_ie3.png)

File: a62c73ddcce32fd⋯.png (14.87 KB, 640x480, 4:3, doubledeuce_mycomp.png)

File: 8f61c835b3a6129⋯.png (26.37 KB, 640x480, 4:3, doubledeuce20050217.png)

>>1007307

You can still get Linksys ISA NICs still in the original shrinkwrap on ebay, but 3.5" and 5.25" floppy drives are going into ABSURD pricing levels. Same for any ISA VGA card with more than 512k VRAM. The only other thing that's really abundant anymore it information, at least. Without Vogons, I wouldn't have been able to do much with my 486. Alas, all that remains of my Packard Bell Legend 300SX 386 that I was messing around with about 15 years ago are a few screenshots of me trying out web browsing and messing with Calmira (Win9X-like shell replacement for Windows 3).


 No.1007404

>>1007208

Since Vista Windows used a megabyte alignment rather than the legacy cylinder alignment, and NT5 Windows (2k/XP/2k3) will happily work with megabyte-aligned partitions if installed to a disk which was prepartitioned that way (contrarily to Windows 9x which will crap itself with partitions which are not cylinder-aligned). Anyway, partitioning is not a hardware thing, but a software thing which sits between the raw disk device and the volumes (which are instances of a file system which exists within the bounds of a given partition/logical disk).


 No.1007405

>>1007391

Relatively decent PCI video cards are quite expensive by now, let alone ISA ones.


 No.1007414

File: 9c0f10fb966c006⋯.jpg (603.68 KB, 1836x3264, 9:16, IMG_00000329.jpg)

>>1007405

Not so much, so. A 1MB ISA card from around 1993 or so tends to go for a hundred bucks, minimum. That's a lot to ask for 16k colors in Windows 3. Old PCI video cards, if you're not a period-accurate obsessive, are almost a dime a dozen, because people sell them without knowing what they are. Admittedly, older cards with the all-important DOS and Win3 drivers are a bit harder to come across, and God help you if you are looking for a specific card like anything from 3DFX. I have some weirdass GeForce card in my Win98 system, and it was new old stock for about $13.


 No.1007425

>>1007297

Hey anon, sorry I mispoke earlier. Classic Mode is (was) supported on 10.4. If you're looking to play old mac system 9 games, that'd be your best bet.


 No.1007518

I picked up four huge projection tvs the other day I am looking forward to playing with.


 No.1007532

>>1007307

> If only I had infinite time I'd save all the old hardware and let them live a cage-free retirement.

I want to laugh, but where is the lie?


 No.1007536

>>1007425

any pointers to where I can find the ISO image download?

I found this

https://archive.org/download/Apple_MacOS_X_Tiger_Install_DVD

But im not sure if this would work or if it would just fuck up my computer


 No.1007548

>>1007536

Pretty sure most stuff on Archive is good. I've installed stuff from WinWorld without issues on the other side of the fence, and WinWorld is a less reputable site. I've yet to hear of dodgy Mac OS images fucking people's computers up.


 No.1007552

>>1007548

alright I'll give it a go


 No.1007553

>>1007518

>projection TV

Why?


 No.1007563

I've got this LinkIt Smart 7688 Internet Of Things device which I'm keen to connect to my TRS-80 Model 100. I already have it communicating over the serial port. The 7688 is a small Linux machine that runs DD-WRT and while it only has like 8Mb of free space on the flash drive, you can rehome root to the Micro SD port for as much storage as you like. It has Wifi and will take an external antenna with a teeny tiny antenna connector. The whole thing's about two thirds the size of a stick of gum. It's even powerful enough to run Emacs at a comfortable pace and does extremely well with lighter weight software.

I want to put it inside my Model T but connect it to the serial port, so I can access the device from the comms package built into its ROM, but the sticking point is battery consumption. It will rapidly deplete the batteries of the T if left on all the time, and since it takes a little while to boot the T and get the terminal ready I would like it to start only when the T is turned on. This will be easy enough, but I also want the 7688 to initiate an orderly shutdown automatically when the T is turned off. Any ideas on how to do this? Would it be easier for the 7688 to sense when it's probed by the serial port and simply turn on then, and off when there's no serial activity for some time? Bear in mind while I'm willing to modify the Model T I don't want to butcher it, any mod must be small and durable. I don't want to mod the case at all, the 7688 will fit in the expansion slot on the bottom easily as is or it could be secreted into the case leaving the slot free.

So that's my project. Also I got a very fancy Laserdisc player working again recently so that's nice.


 No.1007571

>>1007553

>Why?

Why not?


 No.1007586

>>1007536

No, the mac cannot boot from an iso. You'll either need to find a dmg or try to convert the iso (I've never had good luck with that)


 No.1007596

>>1007586

Just burn the iso to a dvd and boot off that.


 No.1007681

>>1007596

You fucking idiot. It doesn't have a bios to boot like that. You need the proper type of image. PPC =/= IBM-like PCs.


 No.1007746

>>1007681

An ISO a binary disc image. There's nothing special about Apple's DVD readers or discs that dd-ing on any combination of functioning hardware would yield an incomplete image or disc. DMG is basically an Apple container for the data an ISO (or other image files) would contain, adding facilities like compression and in-OS behavioral metadata. None of this container's added features make it onto a burnt disc.


 No.1007761

>>1007391

Luckily I have a 3.5" floppy drive at home, somewhere. I made sure to pack my stuff away labeled so my parents wouldn't throw it away while I'm gone. I'm not sure it works, though. I think it does. I have some old video cards as well, but I think those are PCI and would probably be best on newer machines.

I got a reply from one of the recycling centers I emailed, and they say people are not allowed to pick up junk. stupid state regulations, they're destroying stuff people would pay for.

That's pretty impressive for a 386 by the way.

>>1007532

you'd do it too, wouldn't you?


 No.1007764

I have a Mac Pro (don't remember if it's 2,1 or 1,2?) with like 32gb of DDR2 ram and used to have like 4TB before I ended up using the HDD for something else.

It's neat, but since it can't really install Linux and only an older version of OS X that can't run anything it's kinda useless. It also lags like a bitch, can't tell if it's the GPU being a shithead or the CPU also being a shithead.

If I can't get it running Linux and being sort of useful again I'm gonna either switch out the internals completely to build a Hackintosh or just sell everything as parts.

That's my blogpost of the day enjoy ciao


 No.1007775

>>1007761

>they say people are not allowed to pick up junk

I assume that was either a state-owned center, or a corporate center.

Most private recycling centers will let you pick shit up if you get cozy enough with the owner or slip some bribes, especially if they're normally closed to the public. The easiest to get into are generally smaller ones owned by computer shops. You could even just go to a regular computer shop and try to get into their dump pile. There are two I go to semi-regularly. One will let me pick up whatever I want there, and the other has little restrictions, letting me pick up whatever hasn't been earmarked for someone else. The trick to getting to these places is with the leather of your shoes. Go to prospective sources and talk with the people there one-on-one. Sooner or later you will be able to come to a deal where you can look through their recycled goods. It's also best to be upfront about your desire to collect old shit, because it'll send the message that you're not trying to do some shady shit. I remember on one occasion I walked into a cheap cellphone shop for the first time, had a thirty-second conversation with the clerk, and was immediately granted access to their trash pile which yeilded a couple of carphones. If I wanted to, I could have easily walked away with all the still working smartphones in there, but didn't because another place I go to already offers unlimited free phones.

Depending on the laws of the state you live in, even a state-owned center could still be potentially useful. Over where I live, I can legally pick up anything that was dumped by the state itself, with the only restriction being against privately dumped stuff. Even then they'll look the other way if it's something insignificant.


 No.1007794

>>1007536

Heh, I remember the special GNAA release of OSX Tiger.


 No.1007802

>>1007775

I generally try to talk to people when I go to these places. Back in high school I was close with kids on the robotics team, so when they had ewaste drives I'd come by and really clean up. Boomboxes, pentium machines, loads of monitors and keyboards, hard drives, boxes upon boxes of IDE cables and the like. Actually thats where I got the 3.5" floppy drive thats in my closet. I technically wasn't allowed to do that either, but they were going to get rid of dozens of large boxes of stuff, all for a measly 200 bucks. Working microwaves, office printers, VCRs. If they had sold even a 10th of the stuff they would have made more than 200.I'm just glad I saved some of it.

How do you find privately owned centers? I thought they were all state regulated or something like that. Either way I'll definitely try asking around in person when I get back home.


 No.1007827

>>1007802

All recycling centers are governed by regulations, but how many of the rules they actually follow varies.

Some computer shops will have small recycling centers built in. There's one I go to owned by a local place, and I know of a Small Dog that does this, but you need good connections to get in that one.

You don't need to find one with a recycling center though. Pretty much every computer shop, especially those that do repairs or used sales, will have a dump pile that will occasionally be shipped out to a recycling center. If you're having trouble getting into any proper recycling centers, then you can just go straight to the shops that throw the stuff away in the first place. The shops won't have as much, but they'll usually be poorly educated on the laws governing that stuff, plus they'll generally be easier to weasel into.

Individually owned places are by far the easiest and safest to get into, because you can almost always talk your way in and nobody watches them. With corporate or state shops/centers, you'll often have to get good connections and/or bribe the right people, and even then you might run the risk of being found out.


 No.1007832

>>1007761

>you'd do it too, wouldn't you?

if only I could, I would save all the things :(


 No.1007837

>>1007681

>It doesn't have a bios to boot like that. You need the proper type of image. PPC =/= IBM-like PCs.

Wrong.

Burn that .iso to a DVD.

If its an new world mac reboot it and hold down "C". It will boot.

While it is booting I suggest you read up on the ISO9660, ISO/IEC 13346, and ECMA-167 specifications.

>bios

After you read up on what a .iso is I suggest you read up on what OpenFirmware is.

>>You fucking idiot.

The only idiot here is you.


 No.1007848

File: 149eb32f8e724fc⋯.png (479.98 KB, 1472x883, 1472:883, furry christian community.PNG)

>>1006971

I suppose you could probably find an SD card interface for it. Those would be just as expensive as one of the actual floppy drives, but it'd be easier to track down software that way.

didn't expect to see atari XL users among the furry christian community

>>1007837

Don't forget that you can make it boot from a USB drive with the right firmware commands.


 No.1007852

File: 8e6e48ef81b6b56⋯.jpeg (2.17 MB, 4032x3024, 4:3, BBF639DD-5A5D-4E78-84B1-1….jpeg)

I collect PDAs


 No.1007869

>>1007852

Classy. Or, as they would say about 20 years ago, fexxay.


 No.1007970

>>1007852

Nice. I've got a sony clie running palm software that I use regularly, and also a casio digital diary that I don't use so much anymore. The clie syncs with my XP laptop and also works with USB pass through to a VM. Palm Desktop is my favorite calendar software.


 No.1008010

>>1007827

I'll try this out, thanks. I don't suppose just straight up dumpster-diving is an option?


 No.1008345

>>1007852

Clusters server when?


 No.1008391

>>1008010

It is, but you should be careful. The laws on dumpster diving differ between states, so there's a good chance you'll want to be sneaky about it.


 No.1008444

>>1005471

BlackBerry playbook checking in. Still works with modern web, but some things are a bitch. For instance, it tries to download the 8ch CAPTCHA page PHP file instead of redirecting new to it.

>>1005774

Damn, fuck those neighbors.


 No.1008445

File: 44cec552daae395⋯.jpg (3.15 MB, 3040x4056, 380:507, bb.jpg)

>>1008444

Forgot pic


 No.1008849

>>1008444

>Damn, fuck those neighbors.

The neighbors weren't the sinners, it was my own damned family. The house I got the Amiga from was a stranger's house. It kills me that I had rescued it, only for it to have been junked behind my back. Same thing happened to my Thinkpad. I restored it from a pile of broken mess, and some asshole fucking stepped on it when I was running scandisk with the lid closed.


 No.1008892

>>1007852

Do you have the rumored pocket linux N950?


 No.1009435

>>1005633

>There is no good use for old desktops that can't be done better and more efficiently with a cheap SBC.

Enjoy your 6MB/s raspi network->usb transfer speed while I'm getting 40MB/s with a server board I found on the side of the road from the 2000s. Good luck doing any kind of network backup, it's the difference between overnight and almost a week.


 No.1009440

>>1005777

Disown your family, they are horrid people and do you no good.


 No.1009441

>>1009440

Oh, I have. Through my brother and my mother, I made it clear that I would never forgive this, and now I collect guns, particularly the scary black kind with those high-capacity assault clippazines they kvetch about on CNNPC.

Buuut being a law-abiding gun owner and a staunch proponent of the 2A, I can't do or say anything to make people less angry than me look bad.

A friend of mine had me hold onto his A500 and his Colecovision, the former in the box, and I want to see if I can trade him something for them. I have an assload of Transformers and game systems that I could use to sweeten the deal.


 No.1009444

>>1009435

Most SBCs don't have the RPi problem, and instead have dedicated Ethernet port. Quite a few of them even have GigE.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_single-board_computers


 No.1009470

>>1009444

Yeah, that's not where the bottleneck is, notice I said network->usb. The only SBC that could be possibly useful is one with 4+ sata ports on a decent controller. Good fucking luck.


 No.1009516

>>1009470

Most SBCs don't route the Ethernet through USB, and instead have a dedicated controller.


 No.1009519

File: 824aa0d53c3a9bf⋯.jpg (71.53 KB, 600x600, 1:1, PCIE-to-SATA-1.jpg)

>>1009470

For the disk part, there's boards with USB 3 and some even have multiple SATA ports. Pic plugs into the RockPro64 PCIe slot.


 No.1010258

>>1009519

I never thought I'd see a PCIe card with jumpers on it.


 No.1010608

File: 4c5cc28ea0d1f83⋯.jpg (142.18 KB, 1500x1143, 500:381, 1.jpg)

File: a1390ad8507b539⋯.jpg (41.31 KB, 1500x1143, 500:381, 2.jpg)


 No.1011349

>>1010608

The thing is, any system in which that's the only feasible option is likely to be either ancient or extremely low-end. I suppose some of those ITX Intel Atom boards could work out though.


 No.1011892

File: 52dce9018c7ba2b⋯.jpg (34.42 KB, 400x375, 16:15, IBM_JX_EnglishVersion_1.jpg)

So, I've happened upon an IBM PC JX, but have no monitor for it.

Since an actual JX monitor seems difficult to find, would a monitor from a PCjr or Tandy work with it since they all use ECGA? Or does it absolutely need to be a JX monitor?


 No.1011899

>>1011892

According to:

http://nerdlypleasures.blogspot.com/2015/03/ibm-jx-pcjr-20.html

The PC Jr. 4863 monitor should be compatible. The monitor connector has sound pins, though I'm sure with the pinouts, a splitter could be devised to separate the audio and video to different plugs.


 No.1014692

>>1005567

Still have mine, thinking of buying another honestly. Last pre-PSP AMD CPU.


 No.1014693

>>1007307

> I'm interested in getting one online and using it for telnet and IRC

Wouldn't that be insecure as fuck?


 No.1014759

>>1006060

We listing our machines now?

Dhell Precisions:

>Precision M40 (needs a new lid, works fine however, bought this one in Germany)

>Precision M50 (top end model from 2003 with Quadro4 700 GoGL and Pentium 4 2.0, chassis fucked, needs a HDD and backlight failing)

>Precision M6400 (on sale because it's disgusting as fuck and a low end model)

>Precision M6500 (fucking love this thing!)

ThinkPads:

>T22 13.3 (my first ThinkPad, bought it with a long gone 310ED at a thrift store in 2015, suffers from BoD and failing backlight)

>T22 14.1 (second T22 I bought for parts, ended up restoring it, BoD issue but in good condition otherwise)

>T23 14.1 (awesome condition for it's age, modded with a WLAN antenna on back)

>P50 (daily driver in a dock on my nightstand, got a new chassis and motherboard under warranty because of a charging issue)

Toughbooks:

>CF-19 Mk7 (bought with a cracked lid, lid has been replaced and now it's my car diagnostics machine)

>CF-M34 Mk7 ("accidentally" won a bid on eBay USA for this one, even had a rebuilt battery from BatteryRefill, with a SSD it's remarkably fast for a nearly 15 year old Pentium M device!)

>FZ-G1 Mk4 (traded my 31 Mk3 for this one, love the IPS screen, dislike the fact that it doesn't have a keyboard)

All my devices have SSDs, that's what makes even a Pentium III equipped T23 fast in daily tasks.


 No.1014774

Does Core 2 count as "old hardware" and its discussion belong here?


 No.1014776

>>1010608

Unusable on old systems due to huge (for their CPUs) driver overhead.


 No.1015004

>>1014776

Yes? Core2 is about 10 years old now (3600days).


 No.1015014

>>1015004

Did you really mean to answer that post and not th one prior?

Anyway, progress has not been what it had been. A 10 year old 3+GHz quad-core processor can still run most latest games with enough RAM and a somewhat recent graphics card. Now imagine trying to use a 10 year old computer in 2008/2009 for anything remotely (then)recent - it was utterly unusable.

I'd recommend to keep a Core 2 system around, especially if it's a relatively decent setup - it's probably still quite powerful for most tasks, and is not the botnet (ME/AMT/UEFI etc.) ridden garbage like the stuff of recent years have been (in exchange for dissapointingly meager performance gains).


 No.1015017

>>1015014

Be careful about what mobo you use though, newer ones with Intel chipsets are likely to have the ME.


 No.1015018

>>1015004

>3600days

That's only as much as there are seconds wihin an hour. An hour is not much, is it. Do you know how much is much? For instance, a ~3GHz CPU has about as many clock ticks wihin one(!) second as there are seconds in a century(!). Think about for a second (and then think about how during that one second you've been thinking about it, a ~3GHz CPU had about as many ticks as seconds have passed since 1919).


 No.1015019

>>1015017

That's exactly one of the Core 2 platform's main strenghts. While ME was pushed on mobile platforms since about halfway that era (for instance, Thinkpad T60 had no ME, while T61 and later had it), almost all desktop LGA775 boards are ME-free.


 No.1017128

>>1005548

It isn't, but it can dissolve gunk and other mystery materials while cleaning with it to make it more conductive. High volatility solvents (IPA, EtOH) are your best bet. The closer to 100% conc. the better, otherwise you'll have issues like >>1006484 mentioned

t. chemist


 No.1017252

File: b07a91309f3a4b3⋯.jpg (16.71 KB, 400x289, 400:289, 121f02dc9f560d86fb6c898d71….jpg)

PCs are old tech, boomer.


 No.1017291

I use an old Cyrix MediaGX for Pixel art and late DOS/early Win9x gaming. It's a thinclient I pulled out of the trash. Had a few blown capacitors. Had it up and running quickly no sweat and gave it an IDE-DOM. No fans, completely silent. Very low power consumption. (~9W) It has room for one expansion card and I thought about adding some YMF-based sound card or an early 3D capable Matrox but I use the inbuilt SB16 emulation and graphics the Cyrix and its companion chip has instead. The SB16 emulation while working perfectly is not great quality wise but it feels right using it, somehow. The graphics are fine. It runs on a shitty 800x600 screen, so no sweat anyways.

There's no program with which you can bash out pixel art as effectively as with Deluxe Paint and it's keyboard shortcuts. (Amiga or PC Version) Yes, I tried the new ones. Most are garbage, especially the ones "geared" at pixel art. Asesprite gets honorable mention for redrawing the entire screen every frame (even if there are no changes) and bringing my low-end, modern integrated graphics possessing 1,4 Ghz AMD to it's knees for a job a computer with 8 Mhz and an ISA EGA card could do fluidly. The absolute state of current programming. The only good "modern" one is GrafX2 which actually runs fine in Win98 on that Cyrix, but it is not as efficient as DPaint for me. (although undo and layers are nice)

I like the Cyrix MediaGX because it's an early x86 SoC. Way too slow when it came out but perfect for that low end stuff, also only uses little power which a lot of old computers don't.

I also have a whole splattering of Amigas, from an A2000 with 060 Accelerator and graphics card (that thing runs classic 68k MacOS faster than any real 68k Mac, even played stuff like that ST:TNG adventure game and Full Throttle on it, yeah I just didn't want to let go of the Amiga - it runs MacOS side-by-side with AmigaDOS, sort of like a VM - yes you can switch back and forth) to some A1200s and A500s with all kinds of accelerator and odd expansions cards. The A2000 also has some australian video card that goes into the expansion slot and com es with it's own program. It lets you look at and draw 24-bit color depth pictures. It does so by overlaying it's picture cleverly onto the Amiga graphics signal. Weird tech.

Got all that stuff back in the 90s when all the Amiga stores closed down and the businesses basically threw it out. Wasn't a collector back then, just a poor kid that suddenly could afford all the things he dreamed of before. One of the weirdest cards I have is a small 286 add on PCB you clip on the CPU socket in an Amiga 500, comes with some FPGA and real 286 CPU. Your Amiga can run a 286 in emulation then, even faster than the real 286s of that time. There were a few cards like this.

I feel bad for wasting electricity when I run these old machines, some of these machines burn 100W just sitting there and doing nothing, so I'm always happy to find something low powered. I want to set up a pixel art Amiga (because software for Pixel Art was the best on them) but not sure what I'll go with. The A1200 has the advantage of supporting 256 colors in it's chipset natively, although I like the effective 32 color limitation the old-chipset amigas have. Maybe I'll kit it out with an 68030/50 Mhz accelerator or something. I should even have a soundcard for it which has acceleration built in to play mp3s. Would be cool while drawing.

In modern old tech, I got some old ARM developer board I actually intend to use as a daily, console-only Linux driver. I'm all giddy already about it. Somebody doing that on some old machine? Also somebody else finds that such restricted environments are actually very good for creativity and concentration? I get more pixel drawing done on that garbage Cyrix than I ever did on any modern computer, just because I couldn't switch over to the browser while doing it.


 No.1017325

>>1017291

>The SB16 emulation while working perfectly is not great quality wise but it feels right using it, somehow

Well, it is period appropriate. In the realm of "WinDOS", it was a minority of users that had original, reference and/or fully compliant hardware. Most ended up with inaccurate clones or bootlegs, and even some "reference" hardware wasn't up to spec. Heck, the only time I got to hear anything beyond a PC speaker was on my father's prebuilt, at least until he handed it down to me because of issues upgrading to Windows 98 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compaq_Presario_2200#Technical_issues). Loved that thing. Shame it got stolen.

>Also somebody else finds that such restricted environments are actually very good for creativity and concentration?

While I don't do anything useful on older PCs, I have been holding off installing a display server on my GNU&Linux because I find working with the framebuffer terminal more zen and productive than my desktop setup. I also remember reading that the Game of Thrones writer (I assume the book series rather than the show?) uses a DOS word processor for his work. I'm sure there's at the very least some positive psychological effect when it comes to not overloading your brain with stimuli.


 No.1017695

File: 47a900aee6276e4⋯.png (94.57 KB, 800x529, 800:529, 800px-Memory_Map.png)

File: 3b3e90bacec8570⋯.jpg (63.79 KB, 640x480, 4:3, computer_vic1001_02.jpg)

File: 0de59b4debcba60⋯.png (332.16 KB, 1096x714, 548:357, Screenshot_20190108-151316….png)

I dug out my grandfather's old VIC20 and started puttering around with it again. It's a very comfy machine. Bare bones 6502 system with a great keyboard. Still has a dedicated community supporting it putting out new software and hardware.

>http://sleepingelephant.com/ipw-web/bulletin/bb/index.php

>https://www.thefuturewas8bit.com/shop/commodore/vic-20.html

>https://youtu.be/yg04GyhS3ss

It's almost like meditation to just sit in a quiet room with a machine like the vic20. No internet, smartphone or other botnet to side track me. Just my thoughts and a few good programming manuals.


 No.1017696

>>1017252

I know right, fellow zoomer. I can access reddit, instagram and facebook with just my iPhone. Watch my twitch, I'll show how easy it is. PCs are for old fags and I don't buy the bs that they are using them for coding. No one codes anymore. It's all been done lol. Like, why would I make a website when my audience isn't on the web, they're on facebook. Like, am I seriously going to handcraft HTML when instagram is already done for me. PCs are stupid and laptops are too heavy for me. literally no one at my hacker space uses one.


 No.1017721

File: 6f4ce78fdb8d1fb⋯.png (295.19 KB, 1180x1488, 295:372, bless.png)

>>1017695

for sure, never let them go


 No.1017726

>>1017696

idiotic boomer detected


 No.1017729

>>1005495

>>1005494

>>1005487

You can wash circuit boards with soap and water, as long as they are powered down and you make sure they are completely dry before powering up. I recommend 409 cleaner / soft brush for the cig smoke deposits, then rinse with water, drip / shake dry, then immerse in 100% isopropyl (if you can find it, if not, 901% will do). The isopropyl will absorb remaining water, then allow to dry for a few days or if impatient use hair dryer.


 No.1017754

>>1017729

I would avoid any kind of physical brush. You're just begging to snap off some tiny little surface mount component that way. Better to stick with soap and water alone.

All that said, washing the circuit board is a horrible idea. When it's first soldered the flux used remains behind and coats the solder joints, making a gross shiny protective layer that guards against oxidation and wear. Detergent soaps can dissolve that all away. Just leave it alone, unless something is shorted out by debris it'll be fine and last longer.


 No.1017846

I've put old boards in the dishwasher, no kidding. Nothing happens as long as they are dry when you turn them back on. Think about it - when they're off they're just a collection of materials that all have in common that don't even really react that well with water, nothing that would break them. Also they look like straight-out-of-manufacturing new when they come out of the washer. It's impossible to get them that clean by hand, especially bigger ones.

You just have to be careful that there are no corners where water can be trapped. It is a "from PCB to pCB" decision really. The heat of the water doesn't bother them either. They went through much worse in manufacturing and the materials are rated for high temperatures. For a lot of parts, water literally can't get that hot.

40C is also more than enough, which every dishwasher has as a setting.

I did it in a dishwasher (normal, commercial dishwasher) that was at the place I worked on and not used for anything coming in touch with people. Be very aware that dishwashers have a reservoir where they collect water in between washes. Wanna do a dry run afterwards, you don't want to wash your dishes with the same water that came in contact with that stuff. Do at your own risk, obviously.

If you're too skittish or don't have a dishwasher, you could probably just put them under your shower too.

>>1017696

Trolling obviously but the truth is I've made an android system with one of those meme < 100$ development SBCs and use it for all my multimedia consumption exclusively. PCs are shit at that, no matter the OS but Linux especially because in pure Linux everything with graphics is kinda broken to some degree. It's easier to do it that way than to try to beat Linux into doing stuff as decoding videos well. It's a sad state of affairs.


 No.1017861

>>1017846

Video codecs are stifled thanks to patent law that covers software implementations.


 No.1017873

>>1017861

Not only that but also the software written is simply better/there is more of it. I tried to install gentoo (no joke, actual gentoo) on the same SBC and it was a pure mess, even with the prorpietary driver blobs. The manufacturer even offered forks of common linux stuff to make it work better with the graphics drivers. It did not help much. It was (and most of all felt) slow, memory ran out in next to no time, nothing about it was enjoyable. It make the ARM computer feel pretty weak and shitty and browsing was out of the question.

Now I have the same system running android nougat and browsing works faster and smoother than on my all open-source PC workstation (which has better hardware specs). I even use it's splitscreen functionality and have clover running on the other side of the screen. It's smooth and the screen is consuming far more power than the computer underneath. I have a normal usb mouse and a keyboard connected and it makes it feel like a normal pc, for most purposes (even though the tablet/phone crap still shines through here and there)

Is the ARM hardware better? Hell no. The software is better optimized though and there are more developers. This ties in with the retro topic because I've seen OSes and whole home computer systems die that way. A lot of (now defunct) companies had to learn that the best hardware is not doing you any good if nobody writes software for it. Seen it way too often. I see the same happening to the PC desktop platform right now, although slower as the general IT world has gotten a lot bigger. Don't get me wrong, this is absolutely not what I want computing to be, but I'm afraid it's happening nonethless.


 No.1017876

>>1017861

Not only that but also the software written is simply better/there is more of it. I tried to install gentoo (no joke, actual gentoo) on the same SBC and it was a pure mess, even with the prorpietary driver blobs. The manufacturer even offered forks of common linux stuff to make it work better with the graphics drivers. It did not help much. It was (and most of all felt) slow, memory ran out in next to no time, nothing about it was enjoyable. It make the ARM computer feel pretty weak and shitty and browsing was out of the question.

Now I have the same system running android nougat and browsing works faster and smoother than on my all open-source PC workstation (which has better hardware specs). I even use it's splitscreen functionality and have clover running on the other side of the screen. It's smooth and the screen is consuming far more power than the computer underneath. I have a normal usb mouse and a keyboard connected and it makes it feel like a normal pc, for most purposes (even though the tablet/phone crap still shines through here and there)

Is the ARM hardware better? Hell no. The software is better optimized though and there are more developers. This ties in with the retro topic because I've seen OSes and whole home computer systems die that way. A lot of (now defunct) companies had to learn that the best hardware is not doing you any good if nobody writes software for it. (same goes for OSes btw.) It also works the other way around, if you have a shitty platform and lots of developers, it will bloom. (See how long the C64 lived in europe, also look at the current Pi compared to other ARM SBCs - the hardware is crap but it doesn't matter as it has a huge community constantly optimizing) Seen it way too often. I see the same happening to the PC desktop platform right now, although slower as the general IT world has gotten a lot bigger. Don't get me wrong, this is absolutely not what I want computing to be, but I'm afraid it's happening nonethless.


 No.1017883

>>1017846

Yes but how does that <$100 SBC handle high resolution high bitrate chinese cartoons?


 No.1017884

>>1017883

No idea, but seeing that most modern ARM SoCs do 4k@60Hz in-hardware video decoding, probably better than any PC running some Linux distro.


 No.1017891

>>1017884

>most modern ARM SoCs do 4k@60Hz in-hardware video decoding

But have you even tested those claims yourself or do you just watch YIFY rips and Netflix? You have to understand, I'm interested in this idea but also extremely skeptical based on my own experience playing demanding video on even just regular laptops.


 No.1017900

>>1017891

Farthest I've gone is downloaded youtube 4k videos which ran fine and decoded in hardware on my 4k PC screen and looked great. My SoC is limited to 30 fps with 4k but I don't really care because the screen it's normally connected to is 1080p and small so you still get a nice PPI ratio. Also some screen elements in some apps really go weird and blurry at 4k, 1080p is really still pretty much the reference resolution.

The biggest bitch is getting a SoC where the manufacturer keeps pushing Android updates reliably, as most companies abandon their SBCs straight after pushing them out of the door. Get something with a big community, maybe even a Pi. Android is botnet anyways. Just embrace the botnet for multimedia and internet, and go all rms on your small console-only linux box. Don't attempt to buid a system that does both. This strategy saved me A LOT of headaches.


 No.1017921

File: 678e5b310fbcedf⋯.mp4 (3.28 MB, 480x360, 4:3, ACTARUS ET SES CHEVEUX VER….mp4)

>>1017883

I don't even bother to download the "best" youtube video formats. Have this in my .kshrc:

alias yt='youtube-dl -f 18'

So all videos I get now, and all old movies and stuff I downloaded from megaupload and torrented via demonoid, all those play fine on the crappiest toaster without even any GPU acceleration. I do this deliberately, so I don't develop a dependency on botnet.

Anyway it's not something I want to spend much time on, or much care about. I grew up without even cable TV, and watched anime just fine that way in the 70's.


 No.1017936

>>1017921

Maybe it's my age or I finally learned to love big botnet but I just got tired of all that and wanted to live in the present. Sometimes it's important to let go of past things.

Also the Termux API has nice scripting possibilities so you could still take advantage of that better functioning hardware by pushing downloaded files to that android box and starting playback automatically. (all possible with Termux and scripting) For my SBC for example I use the Text-to-speech engine to give me some voice notifications from my linux boxes, but Termux can even send you normal notifications, and even do fancier stuff like scriptable pop-up selection boxes and such. All via SSH/scripting/Termux-API. Under all that Java veneer and blobbing, Android's still Linux. Also you're not forced to let that android box on the net at all, even your local net. Many have an USB-OTG Port which basically means you can forward some of your machine's ports to the android system and vice versa via USB which is pretty speedy for pushing files, no need for the ethernet or wlan even. It's like a serial connection on steroids which USB pretty much is. I was and am very skeptical too but these android devices actually can get kinda fun if you look past that GUI and google bullshit and start seeing them as reasonably powerful linux computers. Just don't put sensible stuff on them. Also don't install the appstore or the google backend. Means lots of apps won't run, but many of these are apps that you don't wanna run anyways. I use F-Droid as exclusive source and never had an google account in my life.

I also have another, weak arm machine on my local network (running gentoo) which serves as telnet/ftp servers for my old computers. (As no matter what platform, Telnet/FTP is something all of these old machines can usually do at least) So I can take my old Mac Performa 475 for example and remote connect into it and from there bounce into the web and make ssh connections and share files with other systems. It's fun. Good use for those ARM things.


 No.1017958

File: 4a544dd2cdf60f1⋯.jpg (162.13 KB, 645x768, 215:256, chris-vic.jpg)

>>1017695

>It's almost like meditation to just sit in a quiet room with a machine like the vic20. No internet, smartphone or other botnet to side track me. Just my thoughts and a few good programming manuals.

It was. (including the good programming manuals..)

The bit about being bashed at school for being a Computer Nerd was ass, though.

2019: Virgin Tranny LARPer gets PTSD from Microaggressions seen on a websight

1983: Virgin Computer Nerd gets macroaggressioned in the face by 5 bigger kids during lunchtime.


 No.1017963

>>1017958

That pic makes me think how we got used to have these huge fucking screens into our faces all the time. Sometimes several of them. (and let's just forget about the cancer that is 16:9) Why is 14" not enough anymore. A nice 14" eInk 4:3 screen for text work only. I'd pay a premium price for it. (Don't link that chinese eInk screen now, I did some research and it's utter garbage)


 No.1018059

>>1017958

>>2019: Virgin Tranny LARPer gets PTSD from >>Microaggressions seen on a websight

>>1983: Virgin Computer Nerd gets >>macroaggressioned in the face by 5 bigger kids >>during lunchtime.

prob the same person in both cases, too


 No.1018064

>>1018059

nah, the '83 kid probably has a well-paying job, wife, and kids. The 2019 kid has nothing but a noose in his future.


 No.1018408

I wanted to transfer vinyl to MP3 only to realize none of my modern computers had line-level audio inputs. Had to stick audacity on an old XP machine to get the job done. Worked really well though, just had to get an adapter to take the RCA jacks to 3.5mm. USB turntables are for dumbshits who like wasting money when a $8 adapter and a stereo/turntable set literally out of the garbage get the job done with higher fidelity.

>>1007307

My universities surplus still has early-2000s comps at it on occasion. At one point they renovated the basement of a building that had gone unused for some time. Out came a 1972 or so MATS computer system. This fucker was massive, used for testing mechanical strain I believe. I talked to the guy in charge of the work site, and for a case of beer it was mine. I actually got the keys to it. The keyboard had a locking lid over it. Went to pick it up a few days later when I had wrangled a pickup... wasn't there. I inquired. Guy further up the chain said it was a safety hazard for it to sit in the work site. They led me to the scrap dumpster it was sitting in, a large air compressor dropped on top of it. The two built in monitors were smashed, the paper from the built in dot-matrix printer unspooled like its guts. When I get back home on break I'll post a picture of the keys if you guys like. It's all I have left. Leaves a knot in my stomach to think of it. Very, very good chance it was the last of its kind.

>>1005774

A man after my own heart. I'm saving up two grand or so to convert an RV into junk storage (fuck property taxes).

>>1005788

Add one to the hive mind, also those digits are very related to the question being discussed.

>>1007518

Girlfriend's parents are trashing theirs soon, and I don't have the room for it. Convergence IC is out which I know I could fix, but they've already replaced it was a flat screen they got on black Friday.

>>1008391

For a few weeks during the uni basement cleanout mentioned above I would hit the dumpster they put smaller items in. It was garbage, not scrap as much of the contents was paper, furniture, and wood products with electronics and metal materials mixed in. Pulled a few hundred pounds of scientific instruments out, much of it vacuum tube gear at that. I tried to keep my presence non-obvious, but they noticed. First sign: a really juicy box of scrap was left just on the edge of the dumpster. Obvious fucking bait, didn't take it. After that they started perching bits of scrap pipe precariously on the edge where I'd climb in to see if I had been in. Took them down, put them back. Finally, since it was obvious they knew I was there and didn't want me, I took one evening and organized the dumpster. Dumbshits had no idea how to properly pack it, so I went through this 30yd rollout and fucking repacked the whole thing (and carried off another car load of choice bits). You would think they would be grateful for the fact I just cleared a third of the space they had been using up as it would save them money by not having multiple dumpster pickups, but instead they just started fucking smashing everything before throwing it in.


 No.1018449

In my country (eurocuck) they completley forbade people taking stuff from the trash as sandniggers would pick a bunch of stuff to sell as scrap and then drop the parts they don't need randomly into the enviroment. Was completly fine before that. Sandniggers ruin everything.


 No.1019192

File: afec1895a7241d6⋯.jpg (19.63 KB, 600x399, 200:133, proxy.duckduckgo.com.jpg)

>>1007852

What would you say is the best DOS compatible PDA? The HP200lx seems popular. I would like something that can use standard PCMCIA cards and run "PC compatible" software normally.


 No.1019284

Old, non-x86 personal computers are of special interest to me. Ive wanted to get one of the PPC Thinkpads or a late 90s UNIX workstation, but those are expensive and I dont have any money.


 No.1019294

File: aca3d8dc90ea180⋯.jpg (412.66 KB, 1525x1600, 61:64, proxy.duckduckgo.com.jpg)

>>1019284

> but those are expensive and I dont have any money.

Old PPC mac powerbooks are probably your easiest point of entry.


 No.1019557

>>1019284

Would highly recommend a PowerBook G4.

>PPC processor

>UNIX-like OS (comes with bash, zsh, sh, and a few others)

>Great build quality

>Real excellent screen

>Firewire, USB, DVD, DVI (w/ analog stabilizers)


 No.1019569

>>1005471

Anyone member when macs were more than an iPhone meme? And we had REAL iPods??? I miss those days.


 No.1019585

File: d28a0290c7cb428⋯.jpg (166.14 KB, 645x768, 215:256, bigletters.jpg)

>>1017963

Low damned resolutions. The VIC20 had a 22x23 character screen (174x176 hires), and back when 14" PC monitors were all the rage, you were among the Privileged Elite to have 640x480 graphics.


 No.1019609

>>1006860

holy fuck I have that 6-pack


 No.1019616

File: a7275f4430cb9d0⋯.jpg (289.47 KB, 1157x772, 1157:772, Amstrad_CPC464.jpg)

>>1019585

In the early days, highest resolution IBM PC video card was Hercules. It was a really big deal at the time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hercules_Graphics_Card

The CGA wasn't really that great. 320x200 in 4 ugly colors, or 640x200 in monochrome. Much cheaper computesr like pic-related had the same resolutions and color depths, but with greater color choices (and here even a 160x200 16-color mode).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhzEZcfinsI


 No.1019632

File: 11241b014e50166⋯.jpg (604.79 KB, 2500x1408, 625:352, proxy.duckduckgo.com.jpg)

File: ccbc6fdf242d963⋯.jpg (35.63 KB, 700x525, 4:3, proxy.duckduckgo.com1.jpg)

>>1019585

Well for text only work 14" is fine. 80x25 doesn't need much realistate.

The VIC20 ended up with that weird 22x23 text mode for reasons other then screen size. The 6560 video "vic" chip was originally made for arcade games and graphical control panels in the late 70s. They had tons in overstock at the time so they made it work in the vic20. Also it had to be readable. RF modulation to the really, really shitty color TV's is what you had. Vacuum tube TV production didn't end until 1977 in the USA and went longer in euopoor land.

40 and 80 col displays didn't become popular on home computers until composite and RGB monitors started coming down in price.

>>1019616

Different tools for different targets. Video gaming vs text processing.

CGA can do decent 80x25 with 16 color text.

That cpc464 could only do 2 colors in 80x25.

If I was a gamer I would want the amstrad or a C64. If I was in to ansi BBS's and text heavy stuff I would want a PC with CGA.


 No.1019675

File: 264ac4f3673aedb⋯.png (1.17 MB, 1153x860, 1153:860, cap.png)

>>1019585

22x23 IS ALL YOU NEED

LOWERCASE IS BLOAT


 No.1019726

File: fa24ac6e6b8f266⋯.gif (3.97 KB, 320x240, 4:3, straderl.gif)


 No.1019788

>>1019632

Computers with vacuum tubes are my fetish.


 No.1019803

File: d1dbac03eadf671⋯.png (126.19 KB, 474x357, 158:119, Wittgenstein-2.png)

>>1019788

Then you'll love pic related.


 No.1019852

I've got a few 8088/286/386s that I cleaned up from battery damage and which work fine now, just can't find nice looking cases for them. Anyone know any good source/manufacturer of cases that do the classical beige, bonus points if it's the desktop (as opposed to tower) form factor? Slight modifications so I can fit the board I could do. It just feels wrong to stick them into some gay atx tower with window and stuff.


 No.1019900

File: 2ab312ff4fd34b9⋯.png (206.75 KB, 426x577, 426:577, Screen Shot 2019-01-15 at ….png)

File: bf449f9631c007a⋯.png (199.03 KB, 890x590, 89:59, Screen Shot 2019-01-15 at ….png)

File: 42aa05b15188cca⋯.png (324.75 KB, 922x743, 922:743, Screen Shot 2019-01-15 at ….png)

>>1019726

>But can you into one-linersscreeners?

Some entries from Commodore Free Magazine

>http://www.commodorefree.com/issues.html


 No.1019913

File: 71b7ba74c545e58⋯.webm (8 MB, 468x360, 13:10, basic_mechanism_in_fire_c….webm)

Unless you go UNIVAC, ENAIC, or the original Babage Computational Engine, I don't think this film gets much older in instructional video on nessesary computers.


 No.1019914

>>1019616

That computer's design looks like a children's toy, like something V-Tech would make. Was it at all popular at the time?


 No.1019932

>>1011892

Can't you use composite?


 No.1020366

>>1017695

can you make anything that isn't totally obsolete by todays standards or can you make it work?


 No.1020440

>1020366

A lot of these old systems (VIC20, C64 etc.) have been used in roles like the Raspberry Pi etc. are used today for. They have a Userport that's basically usable as GPIO (just as any PC parallel port is really, people act like the Pi came up with GPIO or it's some new and exciting concept to control external electronics with computers or something) They have been in control of a lot of industrial machines and even signage at train stations and such. I'd not be surprised if you could still find some C64 somewhere (in some 3rd world country perhaps) running things. I still remember a news blurb about a C64 controlling some stuff like lighting in some cities' popular meeting spot about 5-6 years ago. Contrary to the Pis and other ARM SBCs, they are also a lot more simple, easy to modify and robust. You could burn an EPROM with the program you'd want to run on them. Contrary to shitty SDCards, an EPROM will last 20+ years, barring some very bad luck pretty much guaranteed. You could still use them for that today, and again, it'd probably be actually more robust in that role to use comparted to a Pi. If you don't need an idiot-proof, IoT, blockchain, cloudbased, blah-blah, faggot-shit solution, that is.


 No.1020447

File: 90d6faf4ef32ce5⋯.png (220.92 KB, 3744x2400, 39:25, Lethargy.png)

>>1020440

Hey that reminds me. There were some pretty cool russian clones of the ZX Spectrum that they used through the 90's as regular computers. They had all kinds of upgrades like more memory and HDD. The most popular designs were the Pentagon and Scorpion.

Scorpion ZS-256

Scorpion (Russian: Скорпион), was a very widespread ZX Spectrum clone produced in St. Petersburg, Russia by Sergey Zonov. It had a Z80 processor and from 256 to 1024 KB memory, the Shadow Service Monitor (debugger) in the basic ROM activated by pressing the Magic Button (NMI), a ProfROM with additional included ZX-Word editor, a clock, HDD utilities and more. Various extensions were produced, including SMUC — adapter of IDE and ISA slots, which allowed the use of IBM PC compatible hard drives and extension cards.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentagon_(computer)


 No.1020489

>>1020440

I've seen photos of C64 in use in POS/cash register systems at mom and pop type places within the last 5-6 years.


 No.1020575

File: 094a2c2dd119525⋯.jpg (25.69 KB, 374x262, 187:131, c528-packet-mobil.jpg)

>>1020440

>. Contrary to shitty SDCards, an EPROM will last 20+ years,

Ya thats the big problem with Pi's. Sure they are cheap but your running a big complicated multi tasking and multi user linux OS just do some simple task a 6502 with a few lines of code could do. Yank the power at the wrong second on a Pi and the image is corrupt.

https://www.woodtv.com/news/grand-rapids/1980s-computer-controls-grps-heat-and-ac_20180329064517550/1086705524

https://www.geek.com/tech/a-commodore-64-has-helped-run-an-auto-shop-for-25-years-1672510/

Ive done work at hospital that still uses a 386 PC with custom phone and radio interface cards for their paging (beeper) system.

Ive also seen a PC XT that was interfaced to a Bandit CNC machine.

My town just replaced their SCADA system that controlled the shit pumps in every neighborhood. It was a rom booted S100 system that used packet radio links on MURS. Almost a million dollars to replace something that a few hams/town employees built in the 1980s. The new system also has yearly (((licensing))) and LTE data that needs to be paid.


 No.1020589

>>1020575

NASA has a bunch of documents on the 486 because thats what the hubble runs. Just goes to show how long lasting this stuff is


 No.1020671

File: 1a2f1732eec52f7⋯.jpg (787.82 KB, 1440x960, 3:2, PBG4.jpg)

>>1019557

I second this


 No.1020696

File: caa7bf127a0fd01⋯.jpg (65.69 KB, 800x989, 800:989, tiggered.jpg)

>>1020671

Any reason to run Leopard at all?


 No.1020697

File: 3fd9c0b222d0360⋯.jpg (1.02 MB, 1836x3264, 9:16, IMG_20181019_212710.jpg)

File: 8c3d1fd9325d628⋯.jpg (1.47 MB, 3264x1836, 16:9, IMG_20181118_230336.jpg)

File: 0cb431a2ac5297e⋯.jpg (1.27 MB, 3264x1836, 16:9, IMG_20181207_091542.jpg)

>>1018408

>I'm saving up two grand or so to convert an RV into junk storage (fuck property taxes).

You can get a trailer for about that much, and just pay lot fees, but any home with a basement not prone to flooding or rusting every bit of metal that enters it is more practical. You don't want to look like one of those hillbilly front yard junkyard assholes.

Pictures unrelated, but why not.


 No.1020753

>>1020697

>SNES painted to look like a Genesis

GENESNES is gay but otherwise I like the color scheme Did you do it yourself?


 No.1020755

>>1019914

The keyboard may look childish, but is in fact a very esteemed and honoured mechanical one. Sturdy and long lasting. Some have lasted over 50 years.


 No.1020767


 No.1020769

>>1020696

Mouse emulation in Linux is intolerable cancer. That is why.


 No.1020770

>>1020767

iBook hard drive replacement is a pain in the ass. Replaced one on my iBook G3 900 MHz Dual USB a few weeks ago, and it took nearly an hour.


 No.1020772

>>1020769

Based on the image, I imagine he was asking why you're running 10.5 (Leopard) instead of 10.4 (Tiger).


 No.1020775

File: 35b28b8accbd667⋯.jpg (314.7 KB, 1600x1200, 4:3, MVC-130F.JPG)

>>1020753

Years before retrobrite de-yellowing had been discovered. Figured I had no other options than to paint the system.


 No.1020778

>>1020772

Better software compatibility


 No.1020885

File: 5afd7841ecff300⋯.png (481.64 KB, 1279x1023, 1279:1023, Picture 8.png)

>>1020778

tiger4life


 No.1020923

>>1020885

Give me a good reason to switch, and I'll do it.


 No.1020933

File: 0625a94be0db37e⋯.png (1.1 MB, 673x797, 673:797, Screen Shot 2019-01-18 at ….png)

>>1020440

Most older 8bits used masked ROM's or PROM's.Same for software sold on cartage. So it will last forever. Thats why systems and games from the 1970s and 1980s are still working fine. EPROM's where more expensive and pointless in a mass produced item back then.

They did start to get used a lot in the 1990s though. Add that to the shitty caps everywhere and the mechanical hard drives from that time...not much hope for stuff from that decade.

Chances are a C64 from 1983 will work fine today.

A PC from 1993 probably wont boot today. Mac's from the "lc" era have almost a 100% failure rate now because of caps alone.


 No.1020934

>>1020923

he gave you one: ten four fox only runs under ten point four.


 No.1020935

>>1020933

The caps can be replaced though, right? I think I saw a vid where someone replaced the caps on a board. Might be infeasible if they were buried.


 No.1020944

File: 03df9f38bf89fa0⋯.jpg (924.2 KB, 1484x1024, 371:256, proxy.duckduckgo.com.jpg)

File: 8ca34fe6531c248⋯.jpg (91.31 KB, 1280x720, 16:9, proxy.duckduckgo.com1.jpg)

File: 49a1f0e3c947c14⋯.jpg (40.95 KB, 450x301, 450:301, proxy.duckduckgo.com2.jpg)

>>1020934

tenfourfox will run on 10.4 or 10.5.

>https://www.floodgap.com/software/tenfourfox/

Tiger was the last version that had a native PPC version. 10.5 was full of that universal binary cancer and Apple was clearly only worried about x86 by then. There is a noticeable difference in speed on G4s between 10.4 and 10.5. 10.5 wont even run on G3 or lower end G4. Tiger will run on a 300mhz G3. It CRANKS on a higher end G4 or G5.

On a G5 with a lot of ram the speed hit and bloat probably isn't that noticeable.

10.5 really was when OSX started going downhill. May have something to do with the fact that the iPhone came out during that time and they where all in on that.

>>1020935

>The caps can be replaced though, right?

Ya. Its just a pain in the dick especially if they are surface mount. I have equipment from the 1960s-1980s that works fine. Everything from the 1990s seems to fail from caps. They started using something in them that cause them all fail. (((Planned obsolescence))) i bet.


 No.1020951

File: 6830d0bc2debe4e⋯.jpg (134.18 KB, 1440x810, 16:9, media_shit.jpg)

>>1005774

>>1005776

>>1005777

Oh shit, I remember those last pictures from early last year (I think, if not then it was definitely the middle of last year). All that got trashed? Damn.

This is the majority of my old hardware. I have a PowerMac 8500 and an unlabeled 286 offsite. Oh, and 4 clamshell iBooks. Three of them are in shit condition so I plan on selling parts.


 No.1020959

>>1020767

I just replaced the HDD in a Powerbook G4 with an SSD, it's a tiresome process but still better than those glued together pieces of shit they sell today.


 No.1020976

>>1020767

Good lord. I thought hard drive replacement on MacMinis was ridiculous.


 No.1021040

>>1020951

What was trashed was the stuff in >>1005777

>>1020944

>They started using something in them that cause them all fail. (((Planned obsolescence))) i bet.

Capacitor plague, likely due to industrial espionage. China imitating Israel.


 No.1021097

File: b13c580a3a4aa1f⋯.jpg (38.59 KB, 700x525, 4:3, g4.jpg)

>>1020959

Same here, took forever to close it up correctly than opening that fucker up


 No.1021146

>>1021097

The powerbooks are a breeze, relative to the ibooks. I've replaced hard drives on iBooks on numerous occasions, and honestly wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy.


 No.1022193

File: c03381c4cdf4900⋯.jpg (90.88 KB, 640x751, 640:751, russianA2clone.jpg)

>>1020447

Did the soviets have any homegrown 8bits or where they all clones?

Ive seen the insides of some soviet TV's and the engineering and components where like nothing seen in US and Japanese products.


 No.1022411

File: 7a7cbf0d082c2a8⋯.jpg (325.87 KB, 1024x760, 128:95, Amiga_500-Mainboard-Rev8a.jpg)

>>1020944

That's another reason the OCS Amiga are fucking superior to the AGA crap. They have all thru hole components, easy to replace! And anyway the caps they used were higher quality and are lasting longer, even though they're older! AGA a shit.


 No.1022446

The advantage of the AGA computers is that they run a few pixel art programs that can take advantage of the 256 colors offered, but yeah, they were cheaply put together units and they could not hold up with SVGA on the PC side. Ignoring the whole cap thing, the A1200 and A4000 both suffer from power supply problems on their +5V rail pretty much by design, (the A3000 does too, but it's not an AGA) and the A1200 is a super moody computer because Commodore equipped them with a mix of chipset revisions that all had their particularities working with each other and had some bugs. People find complicated to locate bugs and problematic interactions to this day. The OCS/ECS systems on the other side were rock solid. I especially love the A2000. Such an expandable and nicely built machine, only system where Commodore also didn't fuck up the power layout.

It's a pity the graphics cards in Amigas always have been a hack. Both on the hardware and software side. Besides the early Retina, (which was slow as fuck, some NCR chip) all graphics cards on the Amiga have a PC chip with a PCI/ISA bus implemented in GALs/PALs on the card to communicate with the Zorro Bus which never saw native graphics chip implementations as the "professional" Amigas had no market share for companies being interested in doing chips for Zorro. It was slow, it was prone to error and on the software side, P96 and Cybergraphix (or whatever it was called, I barely remember) also had their particularities. No program written for the chipsets (both AGA and OCS/ECS) could properly support the additional colors these cards had to offer. It's a huge pity.

I have some video card here for the big box Amigas (not graphics card, video card) that has an in-hardware MPEG decoder. Guranteed botnet free, I guess. It's purpose is to be connected to a TV via SVIDEO to watch movies from harddrive. That thing barely sold. I wouldn't be suriprised if there were only a few dozen working ones left. Such cards also existed for PCs but were much more plentiful there.

Some day I'm gonna reactivate my A2000, I have both a Blizzard 2060 (with late revision 060) and that Commodore 030 acceleration card for it.

AmigaDOS/Workbench had some cool ideas, like that filehandler where you could install libraries for specific formats and programs didn't need to be aware of those file formats, as that handler would take care of translating it into something the program could understand transparently. With that you could for example add .jpeg support to programs that don't support .jpeg by themselves.

It's also POSIX compliant so it's not too hard to compile a few command line programs for it. (lua, bc, simple tools like that) Not really all that useful as even a 68060@50 Mhz is about as fast as a very slow Pentium.

(and I made a new post with this content, god I'm old and gay)


 No.1022447

>>1022446

btw. is the Amiga community still overrun by crazies, poseurs and hipsters? It got so insufferable that I completely turned my back on it, even though a few people did some interesting stuff.

Also what's the current best and cheapest and solution to implement SCSI for these old systems? I used to use modern SAS SCSI server harddrives a few years ago as they were very cheap to get , had huge capacity and could be connected to the old systems with simple adapters. It was sort of hit-and-miss though, as some Harddrives weren't as backwards compatible as they should've been and their power consumption was sometimes too much for the old machines.


 No.1022448

>>1022447

>is the Amiga community still overrun by crazies, poseurs and hipsters?

A significant amount of mainstream attention has turned to retro-everything in the past few years and the hobby has taken in some people that are (at best) miserable to have around. It's also jacked up the prices on many things that I used to find practically for free at flea markets. Even things that are still somewhat of a niche like the Tandy or the Dreamcast have doubled or tripled in price.


 No.1022454

File: c9804f1c0653ace⋯.jpg (2.31 MB, 3264x2448, 4:3, VEB_Robotron_K8911.jpg)

File: be35a3e7a2c2124⋯.jpg (2.86 MB, 2560x1920, 4:3, Robotron-KC87-2.jpg)

File: 4a43cf44dfb0a2d⋯.jpg (180.42 KB, 1024x668, 256:167, Robotron_A_5120.jpg)

>>1022193

IIRC the only affordable Soviet home computers with unique designs came from East Germany. There were some Russian designs, but I don't think they ever made it into private hands in notable numbers.


 No.1022460

>>1022454

Even in east germany, most of these devices were reserved for government use, they rarely ended up in private households, you had to have connections. They weren't very sought after even, most people wanted a C64 from west germany and tried to organize one through contacts they had in the west and the grey market.

I have a Robotron KC85/3, complete with owners manual and a bunch of casettes with games and such. Got it from a flea market a few years ago for five euros. It has a knockoff Z-80 CPU that was reverse engineered and produced in east germany, the design went through the entire eastern bloc. The eastern bloc was quite a bit behind in semiconductors and there were even underhand deals between west german corporations and east german conglomerates to exchange tech. East germany had a big hand in the semiconductor business and development of the east as a result.

The computer is not laid out in an interesting way, everything about it is made very very cheaply, especially the PCB looks very 70s. The power supply would uh, not be made that way these days. Let's leave it at that.

They also would have their own markings for things like RAM and 74xx logic and it made understanding how it's set up a bit difficult.

Some german electronics suppliers as of a few years ago still sold east germany-produced ICs (like 74xx logic, passive components like ceramic capacitors and such) they had lying around in storage and I've gotten a few C64 from flea markets who were fixed with east german parts.


 No.1022513

File: afe0b010bc5fcf0⋯.png (66.17 KB, 3968x224, 124:7, 1.png)

>>1022448

I frankly don't understand the Amiga prices. It's not a "normie" thing like NES, SNES, etc. You actually have to learn some things to use it effectively, and then there's the slow floppy load times, the fact that most games never got HD installer, the WHDLoad hack that you have to register and needs extra memory, the cracktros everywhere (no "NoIntro" sets here, buddy!), the fact that most games only use one button (and "up" to jump), and so on. I figured that would be a huge turn-off for the consolefags, but somehow the prices still keep going up. Who is even buying all these things?

And then you go on eab.abime.net and there's like almost no projects going on. I mean compared to the 8-bit scene where there's yearly games competitions and dozens of people submit entries. Instead they have a few games made in some "contstruction set" engine thing (forgot the name of it) that they mostly make platform games with. But those things are really limited, even more than AMOS or BlitzBasic where you could actually make puzzle, strategy or RPG games or whatever else. So it's kind of lame like that, kind of a wasted opportunity when the system can do more interesting things without even trying too hard.

And finally, if you read long enough and between the lines, it turns out a whole lot of actual Amiga owners hardly even use the things. They really love that WinUAE thing, so much more convenient, etc. (so why would they buy tons of extra machines then, if they're the ones buying them?)

It's a big mystery!

Oh wait, hang on. That "construction set" thing is called Backbone. Yeah, some dude made a Smurfs platform game with it, and apparently got sued so project is dead now. Anyway the engine sounds kinda "meh". This is from the game's README:


It should run on all Amigas with at least 4 MB of RAM. A 68030 processor or
better is strongly recommended. Yep, even simple games like this requires a
fast Amiga because of Backbone. UAE users should untick "Cycle Exact" and
use "Fastest Possible" in CPU tab. That will help a lot!

Too bad also, because their stuff looks fine. Pic is the first level or something (I didn't play it, but grabbed the files back when they were still up).


 No.1022519

>>1022513

>Who is even buying all these things?

* Existing stock is being depleted as old hardware halts and catches fire and gets either thrown away or shelved as being "for parts" (i.e. it'll get thrown away in 5 years).

* Despite the Amiga being harder to use, there's more people who are coming into the hobby than there are who sell their gear, driving up demand even if some people fuck around with their new acquisition for a couple of days and then forget about it (i.e. it'll get thrown away in 5 years).

* Anything that's collectible has investors so there's some extent of hoarding affecting the market.

* Some actual hobbyists want to hoard hardware before it becomes prohibitively expensive.

If there's enough demand to keep an overproduced, resilient piece of gear like the Epyx FastLoad selling for 30 bucks on Buy It Now, there's gotta be a good volume of actual users.


 No.1022577

File: e1e7425733976cf⋯.jpg (274.66 KB, 600x467, 600:467, proxy.duckduckgo.com.jpg)

File: 4bb880aad5461e3⋯.jpg (224.25 KB, 1920x1080, 16:9, pulsefinal.jpg)

File: e0c5766e6250707⋯.jpg (546.84 KB, 1348x900, 337:225, RGCD Dec17 Web-3.jpg)

>>1022513

>And then you go on eab.abime.net and there's like almost no projects going on. I mean compared to the 8-bit scene where there's yearly games competitions and dozens of people submit entries.

Its not just competitions. People are self publishing with box art and everything new. It is really amazing how well the homebrew scene is doing on the 8bits. Both hardware and software. Stuff like cheap on-demand PCB ordering and really good cross platform development tools and emulators has gotten lots of people involved.

Just about every platform has some sort of affordable "Multicart" or SD card reader available now. Accelerator cards, ram cards, network adapters. . C64 people can even get brand new motherboards.

>http://wiki.icomp.de/wiki/C64_reloaded_mk2


 No.1022578

They collect to have. It's kinda appalling to see how little some of the collectors know about what they have. It's pretty much mindless consumerism, which the whole IT crowd is full of. (too many overpaid people in that field, knowing the price but not the worth and so on) I've witnessed first- and second hand how a lot of rare hardware got damaged because of sheer ignorance. (a lot of that stuff was not as idiot-proof as a modern PC, very easy to for example connect something the wrong way around and let the magic smoke escape)

I've got a bunch of old PC stuff that's barely worth anything to collectors, but it was fun studying it, especially when datasheets were available. (which they often are for old chipsets, especially when they're from companies that aren't around anymore) If you want a non-botnet machine like /tech/ often lusts for, machines from the late 90s are great. Everything is meretriciously documented and the documentation often is easily available online. You can easily find 400-500 page datasheets on some Pentium-era SIS chipsets for example. No blackboxes, nothing kept hidden. There's enough data in them to write your own BIOS for them. Same for many non-intel CPUs of now defunct companies like Cyrix. The demo scene is focused on all the very,very limited 80s machines and while that's cool I have the feeling these later machines are an undiscovered land of sorts.

I also got a cheap 8088 Mainboard (from the later area of the clones) I repaired extensive battery damage of and got into a time-appropriate case and up and running. The guy that gave it to me was about to throw it away. Now it's in very well-kept condition. I like taking care of that old stuff.

I also picked up one of the old 040 68k Mac pizza boxes cleaned it, gave it a 040 with FPU and replaced all the caps. They're very comfy machines, from the general looks of them to the interface. Also so incredibly maintainable. You can take them entirely apart (and put them back together) in a few minutes without even needing a tool. It's a complete different quality class compared to the shitty PCs and, yes, Amigas of that time which were put together as cheaply as possible and would have either cut your hands to shit or snap plastic pieces off if you got the idea to open them up. Yet barely anybody seems interested in them. It's a pity Apple released nothing.


 No.1022581

>>1022578

I guess gaming hardware relates to this. The most egregious thing I've seen is the faggot collector community that hoardes any 32x or 3D0 they can find and just leave it in the dust. For goodnessakes actually care about what you buy.


 No.1022812

File: cc9b1b196f38a75⋯.png (251.11 KB, 665x574, 95:82, am i retarded.png)

>>1022578

>very easy to for example connect something the wrong way around and let the magic smoke escape

thinking back on some of the stupid shit I've done makes me question why they fuck I did that in the first place. live and learn I guess, but it doesn't make me feel like less of an asshat.

luckily the shit I damaged wasn't rare

>gutted old working server HDDs for magnets. 5-12GB. 12 of them iirc

>got rid of working powermac g3

>took apart a model f xt without researching the pain in the ass it is.

>damaged a non working model M2 trying to repair it, plastic clips broke, still didn't work after the recap

>tried to fix a SMK monterey switch and crushed the leaf

probably going to put more RAM and a bigger drive in my iMac g3 and call it a day, as it's my oldest fully functioning system I don't want to do anything stupid to it that I might regret.


 No.1022845

>>1008445

Fuck, I had a blackberry playbook a few years after it came out. It was my first tablet. What really impressed me about it was it's ability to play flash.

I was a teen so I jerked it to zone flashes in the bathroom. Good times.


 No.1022846

>>1022812

The G3 is fairly maintainable despite its form factor. The G4 is when Apple went full-on "fuck repairability and consumers and shit." You'll be OK.


 No.1022859

>>1022578

>Mac pizza boxes cleaned it, gave it a 040 with FPU and replaced all the caps.

I had a LCII with a fpu running NetBSD 1.6.2 for years. It ran an ircd and a few other little random things. Would get year long uptimes. Then one day it crashed in a kernel panic and wouldn't reboot. Opened it up and you can see all the caps started leaking.


 No.1022929

My T40 went into a coma today. I guess this will force me to get one of those ssd adapters and a 128GB msata SSD for it. If I had more money I'd get a new palmrest, max out the RAM, get a new screen and see if I could use an LED backlight modification, and get a dock and an external floppy drive. The works. But that would cost more than a hundred dollars, so I'll have to put it off for now. I just want it to be happy. I remember when I saved it from the dump when I grabbed it from a junk pile and fixed the fan. Good times.


 No.1022944

>>1022859

In my 475, I also replaced the caps in the power supply, some caps in there leaked. You could tell by the very rich, fishy smell when soldering. Apparently not a rare issue either so it's worth to take a look.

The 475 mainboard was easy re: cap replacement, there was some leakage but there wasn't really any damage yet and the caps were easy to replace. I also overclocked it from 25 Mhz to 33 Mhz (wasn't really an overclock, another Mac Model using the same chipset ran at 33 Mhz from factory) by moving a few resistors. The 33 Mhz rated 040 should have a heatsink, so I desoldered the CPU socket and soldered the CPU directly to the board, which made it possible to fit a nice heatsink with a thermal pad (more than enough for chips with such low TDP) on it. I also replaced the very loud (sounded like bearing damage) fan with a much more quiet Papst fan.

The overclock mostly improved graphics performance, it seemed to give the graphics chip a real kick.

I gave that 475 also a network card and one of those SCSI-to-SD converters. (as it's HDD was defective) Equipping and repairing costed much, much more than the computer itself, I think I paid like, 20 bucks for it. I also managed to scrounge an PS/2-to-ADB converter from eBay cheaply. I don't know if there's a cheap solution for that now but then they were very rare. It's nice to use an optical Logitech mouse with such a Mac.

I always thought such a Mac would make a nice distraction- and botnet-free digital typewriter and I wanted to put it up as such with a small 14" 4:3 screen in my bedroom, complete with walnut-cased, self-built mechanical keyboard. The lack of good software and the expenses of the keyboard kinda stopped me though. NetBSD would be a solution there, although I'd rather use something native to System 7.

I made much worse experiences with replacing SMD caps in SMD amigas. The boards are much lower quality and heating very easily lifts the SMD pads and even traces. It's kinda ironic that the Amigas are so expensive and much more expensive than classic Macs today, considering what cheap machines quality-wise they are. I remember a time when computer stores literally begged you to buy their Amiga stock.


 No.1023561

>>1022846

I opened it up to dust it and found the front panel connector was damaged from whoever opened it last. just my luck

on the plus side it's pretty clean inside.


 No.1023588

>>1007794

>the special GNAA release of OSX Tiger

You mean the one that booted up to the gaping asshole?


 No.1023593

>>1023588

Yep, known as Goatse back in the day, li' youngin.


 No.1023601

File: 570fbb2cdd65d25⋯.jpg (40.68 KB, 604x453, 4:3, 1546893503895.jpg)

>>1005471

Anyone know what the most well built and servicable PowerPC Mac is? I have $150 burning a hole in my pocket and I'd like to pick up something to tinker with that's more exotic than x86 or ARM. I'm guessing that for $150 I can buy almost any model of PowerPC Mac on ebay. Are the Mini G4s any good? I was gonna get a G5 but I heard they don't boot Mac OS 9 natively, and I've also heard the G5 firmware has issues with Linux and SSDs especially.

>>1023593

You're invited to the lemon party, my dude! Hope to see you there!


 No.1023619

Anyone running a dot matrix printer?


 No.1023624

re: exotic, PPC probably works better with linux/the *BSDs than any ARM. That chink shovelware is often poorly supported and even the claimed well supported SoCs have tons of "if"s and "but"s.

>>1023619

Yes, what do you wanna know


 No.1023637

early 2000's is now old (and superior in many cases)

i have a bunch of 22" CRTs that go up to 2048x1536 or if you want more framerate: 800x600@160Hz. they're all dying tho :( but at 1600x1200, nothing can even come close to them. need to find moar. also a 50" rearview projection CRT TV


 No.1023667

>>1023624

I'm in the market, but I'm not sure what I should be looking for. I'm going used as they're often less than a tenth of the cost. What are the death sentences for these? I imagine print head wear is probably the biggest killer. Should I stick to buying ones where the seller can provide a printed sample, or will luck usually be on my side just buying anything that doesn't look obviously broken?

I'm also not sure about ribbon. Is NOS ribbon usable, or does it just get dried out like typewriter ribbon? In other words, should I limit my search only to machines that ribbon is currently produced for?

Is 9 pins enough, or should I try and get a higher count machine? This will be used almost entirely for text documents.

Do they all support continuous feed, or is that something I need to specifically look for?


 No.1023673

>>1023667

I've been using the same dot matrix printer since the 80s and can say the following: I do have a 9 pin dot matrix printer but it's really coarse, doesn't bother me much as it's fine for text but 24 pin will probably make you happier depending on what it is what you want to do. The shelf life on the ink ribbons is infinite when they're still packaged and vacuum sealed. The ribbon is actually silk so it's entirely possible to "recharge" them with stamp-pad ink, similar to typewriter ribbons. I never felt the need as compatible ink ribbons are still made for mine very cheap to buy. (4 eurobucks and they last about 3-4 months of regular printing, more common is about a year) I still kept a bunch of the cartridges just in case I ever need to recharge.

I only had the head fail on my dot matrix printer once, and that was a year or two after buying it. If you decide for a printer, see how the replacement part situation is. Very common printers will still have a lot of NOS floating around. Over the years I stocked up on replacement heads but never needed them. I'm pretty sure at this point that my stock will last me as long as I live. The manufacturers gave all of the dot matrix printers a very conservative MTBF, but in reality they last a lot longer than that.

What absolutely kills them in my experience from back then is running them in a cold environment and not letting them warm up before you start printing, you really want to avoid that. Also use thin paper, thick paper can bend the needles. Endless paper is usually the best and still buyable. You also want to be very careful in case of a paperjam.

The cool thing about these printers is they are connected via parallel port and have their inbuilt fonts, so you can just pipe text to the parallel port in linux and it will get printed. They also have special command sequences you can send. For text-only printing, no drivers are necessary. There was an expansion ROM for mine that delivers more fonts, some day I'm gonna pull the ROM of mine and see if I can make fonts myself, shouldn't be too hard. Just was too lazy to take it apart as it is not easy.


 No.1023687

>>1023673

I feel a bit more equipped to hit eBay now. I know some folks find that older machines are more compatible with downscaling from modern word programs leading to poor resolution in the final printout. Anything to this, or does the parallel port solve this? What word processing software do you use? I'm wanting to do some high-volume print jobs. I've got thousands of books and documents that I'm wanting to print for my personal library so my main motivation is price per page.

Have any experience with binding solutions for many page printouts, or do you mainly deal with just a few pages at a time? I thought about getting a burster but simply can not find any for sale, and tearing apart a few thousands pages would be tedious at best.


 No.1023704

>>1023687

If that and not the old tech is your motivation you might be happier with a laser printer. These printers strength is to print raw text, literal ASCII code that's sent to them. If you want to print books and technical documents with nice formatting and graphics, a 9-pin needle printer will probably not give you results you'd expect in current year, and a 24-pin needle printer will not look that much better. They're also very slow and loud, keep that in mind if you want to print a lot.

I use the printer mostly for letters and used to use it to stream debugging text and other stuff I wanted a hardcopy of from the terminal. I still do that occasionally but more for nostalgia as that is not really a thing you need with a modern computer. No word processor, just straight .txt with some formatting, this plays into the strength of the printer to just process the send text and output it in it's own font. Everything else is even slower. Older word processors that come with their own printer drivers (like wordperfect) can work with these printers well too, though. Just don't feel the need for all that anymore.

There used to be ring binders for endless paper, but I just used to store them in a file cabinet with folders. That was a looong time ago though. I haven't stored any printouts for any considerable amount of time for at least a decade now.


 No.1023723

>>1023704

I do derive a fair bit of pleasure out of putting an older machine to use, but I've got to have something for it to do. I knew from the start that graphics are pretty well a no-go, but that's not an issue as most documents are text only. Generally its OCR of scans so converting to raw text isn't a huge issue. In any case I'll end up getting one eventually and see if I can't put it to use. It'll be a fun experience and maybe save a machine from the landfill.


 No.1023731

>>1023601

I'm a big fan of my g4 PowerBook. Make sure you get a high-res one, 15" or 17", and I'd suggest an ssd conversion, as well as max out the RAM. Make sure you keep the 10.4 drive/ dual boot it on an ssd. 10.4 is loads of fun and there's a decent sized community for it! Stay away from iBooks or 13" G4s.

Also, no g4 will natively boot os 9, however "perfect" emulation is achievable on 10.4. I don't believe that is the case on 10.5. Not sure about g5 support for tiger, tho. You'd have to look into that.

The g5 towers are awesome, tho. I don't a dual-cpu variant.


 No.1023737

 

 

You talk too much, asshole.

 

kthxbai

 

 


 No.1023744

>>1023667

I have a panasonic kx-p2023 and they still sell ribbons for it. It is "epson compatible" which just about all old hardware supports.


 No.1023753

I just checked the eBay prices of some old ISA cards after reading some stuff online and wow did they go up. A few years ago I bid on a bunch of old graphics cards etc. and got tons of stuff for 1-5 euros. I'm so glad that I did that now, never need to buy something else and get scalped. I even have a ton of truecolor RAMDAC ISA cards, even an ATI Mach64.


 No.1023761

File: 7b6741a4f877d5e⋯.jpeg (1.81 MB, 4032x3024, 4:3, 078E542F-2868-4872-A744-4….jpeg)

File: 12ea7d57b1880bf⋯.jpeg (1.5 MB, 3024x3024, 1:1, 41017499-A1C0-4CAE-B8D8-F….jpeg)

File: c7ccc001a105d90⋯.jpeg (799.64 KB, 2048x1536, 4:3, 44083564-B48F-45CD-ADA9-2….jpeg)

>>1007852

I am back with more of the collection...

HP Omnibook 800ct running Win98se, shown connected to my Apple Newton eMate300. Alphasmart Dana shown with a c-pen 600c.


 No.1023766

File: 4d13e4b08a8a6b8⋯.jpeg (1.5 MB, 3024x3024, 1:1, 72486CA8-84E5-4098-9018-1….jpeg)

File: 6cee41f0ad2afae⋯.jpeg (1.51 MB, 3024x3024, 1:1, 1355AD5A-F92A-4CE7-B1B0-A….jpeg)

File: 76df7d888ba7282⋯.jpeg (1.86 MB, 3024x3024, 1:1, A267A384-EF1B-4EF7-AAB7-D….jpeg)

>>1023761

HP200LX running Windows 3.0 in real mode. HP Omnibook 530 running Windows 95 (I later put Win 3.11 back on it).


 No.1023767

>>1023761

>>1023766

Love the table top, also admiring the omnibook, that monochrome looks great


 No.1023769

 

Someone stop this autistic a*hole, plz.

That would be nice.

 

 


 No.1023770

>>1023767

The OB 530 is a great machine. New batteries can be bought cheap. It has the full complement of ports, and is tiny.

>>1023769

Do you know where you are? KYS.


 No.1023778

 

Someone around here is jacking off to his collection of electronic trash, methinks.

 


 No.1023780

>>1023778

 

And that goes to the autistic narcissist with the marble table.


 No.1023783

>>1023780

Holy shit pathetic samefag replying to himself, what a fucking loser


 No.1023784

You people should learn how to ignore trolls.

I like these B&W LCDs, with an external light source they actually weren't all that bad on the eyes. The modern equivalent is eInk, sadly nobody makes screens out of them.

My Tandy TRS-80 Model 100 arrived the other day and somehow I fell in love with that thing. Couldn't believe how nice the keyboard is. Sadly it's fairly limited, but well what was I expecting. There's something very pleasing about the form factor. Haven't taken a look at the internals yet, but will soon. I heard it has a NiCd battery, which I should probably replace ASAP.


 No.1023789

>>1023784

>TRS-80 Model 100

I thought those took AA batts? Pretty sweet anyway. I think I’d go for the Pocket version. BASIC is comfy.


 No.1023820

>>1023789

yeah, they have an internal battery for the setttings, and that's NiCd from all I have googled.

I paid probably way too much for it but it was in very good condition, small old stuff like this tends to be literal garbage that flew around loosely in some box in the basement/attic. The pictures were also very good which is always a plus because those fuckers always take unclear pictures on purpose to hide damages.


 No.1023825

>>1023766

How do you move stuff to and from your HP 200LX?

I have the exact same model as you, and it's been stumping me for ages. I don't have the external floppy drive for it, none of the dozens of flash cards I own work on it, and I can't find a schematic for the serial port so I can't make a cable for it.


 No.1023834

>>1023825

I have a similar problem. I'm hoping there's a PCMCIA glownigger named card around somewhere.


 No.1023838

File: 57d94601328681d⋯.png (229 KB, 1024x775, 1024:775, ClipboardImage.png)

>>1023825

>HP 200LX

>>1023825

>I can't find a schematic for the serial port so I can't make a cable for it

literally first result from jewgle:

HP 200lx serial port pinout

http://pinouts.ru/PortableDevices/hp2001_serial_pinout.shtml


 No.1023845


 No.1023848

>>1023687

>I'm wanting to do some high-volume print jobs

Get a laser printer


 No.1023850

>>1022859

I had an LCIII running NetBSD-1.4.2, I believe that version was because the software FPU was stable. For shits and gigs I compied GIMP from pkgsrc-- it took a week (@ 25MHz)-- but a 68k running GIMP was Epic(trademark symbol). Unfortunately a psycho housemate 'disappeared' it because that BBW-fucking vegetable thought stealing my shit was Epic.

I also had it running a Debian, but it had miserable SCSI performance.


 No.1023900

>>1023784

Ive had my Model T for years and they are neat machines.The real serial port and built in TELCOM software comes in handy sometimes. Did you get DIN to RJ11 cables with it? Or an acoustic coupler? 300 baud is pretty robust and will even work over "voip" phones if the latency is low.

There is a kermit for it but I have yet to try it.

http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/archive.html#radioshack


 No.1023908

File: dbe049e6a19b5ab⋯.jpg (21.3 KB, 320x209, 320:209, 8300.jpg)

>>1023900Not that anon but

I have a NEC PC-8300 which is basically the same machine just with a few extras and it has an inbuilt modem with RJ-11 connector. Interesting to know that the 300 baud modem works with VOIP. I really need to get it out and do something with it, I had it for a while now and always planned to. I saw it on eBay a year or two ago and was immediately in love with the white/grey color scheme, the red NEC logo and it really is in complete mint condition. It was old stock of a company and I paid too much for it too, but I think for machines in good condition it is worth it. Makes no sense to buy something that's basically electronics junk and looks like it fell down a few flights of stairs.I've not seen the PC-8300 very often, it seems to be closer to the Model 102 in equipment. I'm in Europe and the Radioshack stuff wasn't sold here so the TRS-80 is kinda hard to get. (It's sometimes sold out of England) We did have the Olivetti M-10 though which is another clone that has an angle-adjustable screen and is quite pretty. It's really hard to get one where the screen isn't scratched to shit though for some reason. I also can't really justify to buy another one of those when I already have one that's basically the same. (Don't like stocking tons of these things, not much of an collector)

We also had the Amstrad NC100 over here which has a Z-80 CPU. It came out in the 90s and is much more highly integrated and has a bigger screen. Works but not so interesting to poke around in.


 No.1023924

File: 3663bc48d3b46ea⋯.jpg (127.09 KB, 800x480, 5:3, proxy.duckduckgo.com.jpg)

File: 5fd8d36b17af637⋯.gif (39.04 KB, 528x293, 528:293, ht702.gif)

File: 2aac4ce63f46931⋯.png (991 KB, 1266x718, 633:359, Screen Shot 2019-01-27 at ….png)

>>1023908

> Interesting to know that the 300 baud modem works with VOIP.

Yea just get an ATA and your all set. Most of the 2 line ones let you ring the other port by dialing ***70 (iirc) if you wanted to call a local machine.

Some cheap voip providers for US/CA:

>https://www.anveo.com/

>https://www.callcentric.com/

Callcentric has free accounts you can use to call with in their service if you want to just fuck around with calling 2 ATAs.

Disable T38 fax in the ATA and drop the audio levels down to -8 or so. You may have to play with the echo cancellation settings.

If you have the acoustic coupler and a cellphone that is NOT VoLTE you could try this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQqWHLZjOjA

A little expensive but PANIX still offers dialup shell accounts if you don't want to set up your own at home.

>http://www.panix.com/dialup/

Dial up bbs's

>https://www.telnetbbsguide.com/bbs/connection/dial-up/list/detail/

Seattle Community Network (206-386-4199) is what I use to test my setup's because they let you log in as guest and it's just plain text.


 No.1023928

>>1023924

I'm surprised that works, compared to oldschool analog landlines these are compressed to shit and have a low sample rate. I remember how phonecalls on plain old analog phones used to be, in the late stage before that digital stuff took foot the sound quality was amazing, provided you had a recent phone. You could hear breath and even a pin drop on the other side. Impossible with smartphones and VOIP.

Couldn't you avoid the acoustic coupler and just hook the RJ11 up directly to the 3.5mm audio jack? That should make it work a little bit better and is less complicated. If your phone has an audio jack, that is. Phone is battery driven anyways, no need to think about stuff like isolation.


 No.1023935

File: 28a7cef2bb55b9c⋯.png (28.26 KB, 416x71, 416:71, Screen Shot 2019-01-27 at ….png)

>>1023924 (You)

>that youtube vid

There is a way to disable the toolbar (LABEL key?) on the bottom of the M100 and get an extra usable line for text.

Also the center of the M100 universe was Rick and his http://www.club100.org/ website. Lots of M100 resources link back to stuff on that site. He died in 2011 and its unknown how long that site will stay up. So make sure you get what you need now because once it is gone it will leave a big hole in online M100 information.

>>1023928

>I'm surprised that works, compared to oldschool analog landlines these are compressed to shit and have a low sample rate.

It WONT work on VoLTE. It is hit or miss on other systems. It all depends on what codec they happen to use. When you set up your own VOIP service you can use the G.711 codec which is what every central office in the 1980s used.If your phone line was connected to "pair gain" you 100% used this. 300baud is robust because you only need to pass 1270Hz to 2225Hz. G.711 can pass 300-3000Hz. It's latency and echo that fucks you most times.

>>Couldn't you avoid the acoustic coupler and just hook the RJ11 up directly to the 3.5mm audio jack?

I never tried it. There may be an impedance mismatch for one.Also the M100 is set up to drive a speaker in the acoustic coupler. Thats a lot of signal to send in to your cellphone that is expecting to be connected to a microphone. You may have to come up with a way to adjust that. Those novelty phone handset things he used in his video are 9bux and a quick way to test if you already had the acoustic coupler. If not coming up with a way to connect to the 3.5mm may be worth investigation.

If you didn't have an AC then I would just get an ATA and be done with it. That gives you control over the codec and audio settings.


 No.1023969

File: af2443d18ac1c79⋯.jpg (141.65 KB, 518x505, 518:505, 1539752185035.jpg)

>>1023731

>Make sure you get a high-res one, 15" or 17", and I'd suggest an ssd conversion, as well as max out the RAM

I was leaning towards this. It's what I'll probably end up going with.

>Stay away from iBooks or 13" G4s

What's so bad about them? Maybe poor thermals or they're more difficult to get into?

>no g4 will natively boot os 9

According to this (https://everymac.com/systems/by_capability/macs-that-support-macos-9-classic.html) there are plenty of G4 Macs that can boot Mac OS 9 natively. Maybe not the Mac Mini G4s, but others will. I would imagine that it's possible to patch Mac OS 9 to run on newer OpenFirmware devices. I think I read something about community patch efforts on another forum some time ago but I'm too lazy to look for it right now.

>however "perfect" emulation is achievable on 10.4

I was gonna try KVM in QEMU on Debian.

>Not sure about g5 support for tiger

G5s will boot Tiger. They also support Classic Mode where you can run Mac OS 9 applications in a virtual environment, which I didn't know. I knew the G4s all have it though.


 No.1023987

>>1023969

He might have meant the G5 systems. Seems like an easy typo to make.


 No.1024057

>>1023969

Some people just recently got OS 9 working well on Mac Mini G4: http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php/topic,4365.0.html


 No.1024153

>>1023969

Maybe I just thought a g4 couldn't because it was never supported by Apple. Cool that it can tho! I will have to try this. I'd stay away from the g4 iBooks for a few reasons:

A) they're really cheaply built, and cheap feeling. Breakable.

B) they're very difficult to take apart. I scraped three powerbook and an ibook a few months ago, and I couldn't get the ibook apart with breaking it. If I wasn't scrapping it I'm sure I could have figured something out, but it was way harder.

C) they're wayyyy more underpowered. I mean, don't get me wrong, a g4 iMac or MacMini will smoke the pants off of a g4 PowerBook, but the iBook seriously is almost unusable.

As far as thermals/ power usage/ battery life, all pre-intel mac laptops (and many intel) are a shit in this department.


 No.1024189

>>1023601

got my G5 for ~50 bucks from a second hand shop, it's hit and miss though so you may have to scour every shop in your town/city until you find one


 No.1024194

>>1024189

Ye, lots of people destroyed them for the "cases" in generic atx builds. Really, really sad. Fucking "gamers" man I'll tell ya.


 No.1024417

File: 43d8a1eac948a1c⋯.png (1.15 MB, 1280x854, 640:427, mplayer_on_morphos.png)

>>1023731

>>1024153

>>1024189

Any MorphOS users?


 No.1024473

File: a1d868df3166370⋯.jpg (653.33 KB, 9999x8542, 9999:8542, REALLY BIG DEKOMORI.jpg)

>>1024417

>YIFY

that brings back some horrid memories


 No.1024590

>>1024417

Don't you need to buy a license? I tried the trial on a live CD once. Seems super fun, but I ain't paying for that shit, and I've found the Tiger community to be remarkably good.


 No.1024731

>>1024189

The only second hand shops in my area are Goodwills, and they're bad about old tech. Their procedure is to first plug it in, if it powers up sell it. If it doesn't power up it gets thrown in a bin and shipped to one of the giant warehouses where they sell that shit by the pound. Problem is those warehouses are confirmed to be filled with lice, bedbugs, termites, and cockroaches and the company says they can basically do fuck all about it.

In the end though I think computers don't even get that but are automatically sent to e-waste recycling. I had a "guy on the inside" for a while that convinced management to set aside shit that was going to the warehouse to be set out on the floor if he was sure I was going to buy it. They're very numbers driven and the local location was underperforming so they were on board so long as I provided cash. New management were rulecucks though and ended the arrangement.


 No.1024829

>>1024731

now that I think back on it I've only scored newer items at Goodwills.

damn shame, the warehouse thing is in nigger central for me.


 No.1024840

>>1024829

It seems like the only thing it's good for in most areas is finding used games and books. Though I suppose you might find some old CRT TVs if you get lucky with your location.


 No.1024843

>>1024840

Most are no longer taking CRT tv's or monitors. It ends up being E-waste they have to pay to get rid of.

The TV (((digital transition))) made CRT tv's totally useless to normal people.


 No.1024850

My ability to bring home large items is very limited by my still being at home. I have to pass by so many old televisions, and the only other local old-tech guy I know usually can't get them because his wife is a nagging bitch who keeps trying to toss his collection.

>>1024843

That's another thing that irked me about the retard rule cuck 50+ spinsters that manage my local Goodwill. They know corporate told them "no televisions" so they don't take televisions of any sort. They turn away flatscreens even which would most definitely sell.

>>1024843

Yeah, lord knows how many desirable sets got trashed after that switch. In the last 5 years I've found one tube type television in the wild. I built my own antenna out of literal garbage and got a NIB digital converter from Goodwill. I get more quality channels with my over the air setups than I do with my satellite.


 No.1024851

>>1024840

most of the CRTs that are around here are really low end shit or have a super weak electron guns from decades of use.

I want to get a ~22in Trinitron or mini TV but every one I've seen is damaged or a +32in back breaker. hell there's a Trinitron XBR for free on craigslist right now https://kansascity.craigslist.org/zip/d/liberty-free-32-sony-big-screen-tv-on/6806818485.html save it if you can.

I'd save it but I just don't have the space or vehicle to transport it home.

>>1024843

I see them flow enough in the stores that do take them in, unsure if they're just recycling them after so long or really selling them though.


 No.1024855

bestplace to pick up cheap/not to old hardware on the cheap? Ebay is not cheap.

I watched this recently and wonder if more places like this exist, either online or in real life.


 No.1024857


 No.1024858

>>1024857

>>1024855

look for recycling centers in your area, some will also do some sales.

you could always call around to see if anyone knows of a place that's practically hidden. I know of a coupe near me but it's nothing like that.


 No.1024861

>>1024855

I go to flea markets and junk shops. There are three kinds: everything is gold in their eyes and you won't be able to afford it, junk that didn't sell elsewhere, and piles of shit in a falling down building. Third is the best place to find good shit. As well, find when your heavy trash day is. If you see any console stereos, even if you can't take them home, please gut them. I hate to see them wrecked but I'd at least like the innards saved. Lots of times they get gutted and the cabinets turned into bars so for many models there are more extant cabinets than there are chassis. One place I'm going to inquire is my cities e-waste disposal place. Every few months they have an e-waste drive, and the other tech hoarder I know says he has a contact that will let me pick through the drop offs if I ask. I'm a student though so I'm hardly home.

Up thread I talked about dumpster diving at a university lab clearout, but that was kind of a one off event. Some guys find old appliance and TV repair stores and ask them if they've got old stuff sitting around. I've tried all of my local places and they were already cleaned out.

If you live near a large university check for their surplus store. Mine has lots of good stuff. Also high schools and school systems sometimes have auctions of their surplus stuff. Great place to get office furniture and filing cabinets, but they also have computers a lot. I'm waiting for my old school to toss their thinkpads.

I've also got another place I'm going to hit up I found through Facebook. (Yeah, boo on me). The fellow does "junk disposal" whereby he cleans out peoples homes for a fee and then just turns around and sells anything that isn't garbage. While profit is his game since he has nothing invested but time I bet he would be amenable to some good deals or perhaps a labor for junk exchange sometime.


 No.1024868

>>1024858

>I know of a coupe near me but it's nothing like that.

yeah that place in the video is a mecca

>>1024861

i live by alot of universities that I know have done similar donation pushes in the past. goodwill stores in my experience have a pretty limited supply of fairly priced hardware which is good for their target audience i guess. I need a dilapidated lot to sift through like you say, and if I find some really good audio stuff I'll come back and post about it here.


 No.1024871

>>1024868

A very, very rare but very, very lucrative occurrence is the death of a literal tech hoarder. Only once in my life have I seen pictures. A fellow purchased the contents of the estate from the family who didn't want to deal with it. Literally a semi trailer full of good stuff. Audio, video, gaming, computing, radio, you name it. If it ran on electricity it was there.


 No.1024877

>>1024871

I had this 36 in commercial crt that wieghed like 200 pounds. It had component and vga and could accept a 768 signal. It was really the perfect retro gaming monitor, good even for some newer games due to it's size. heavy as fuck though. still at my parents.


 No.1024878

Goodwill rarely pays off.

You have to actually go out and hunt.

>Flea markets

>independent and church thrift stores

>Hamfests (new england http://web.mit.edu/w1gsl/Public/ne-fleas )

>Estate sales

>tag sales

>swap meets

Lots of times people don't bother showing old computer gear in estate sale listings. You have to look for other clues in photo's like old radios and ham stuff. If you see an estate sale at a house with a ham radio tower out back that is a 100% must look.

Also hit up university dumpsters the last week of class.


 No.1024884

>>1024878

I tried college dumpsters once but didn't really have any luck. I wasn't tenacious though. Everything was so mixed in with nasty residential trash I just didn't want to bother.


 No.1024946

>>1024590

where is this tiger community you speak of?


 No.1024959

>>1024946

My sleep deprived brain initially misinterpreted that to refer to the gamecom.

Anyway, I believe the community around that is likely to be on old mac abandonware sites like macintosh garden and the forums for stuff like TenFourFox and Classilla. If all else fails, you coud just ask some of the people who make videos about those systems.


 No.1025053


 No.1025098

I just opened up my NEC PC-8300 and it indeed has one of these small barrel NiCd Batteries that already were the death of so many systems of that vintage. This particular one just started the process of leaking, but only had stuff over it's leg, didn't quite reach the mainboard yet. I removed it. It's 2.4V@50mAh. My guess it's there to keep the memory alive while you switch battery packs. I don't know about the TRS-80, but the PC-8300 has a NiCd Rechargeable battery pack that recharges while the computer is connected to power. I removed the old gunky rechargeables and replaced them with a 1900mAh NiMh pack, as it only has that akku pack and no battery compartment. (Always replace NiCd with NiMh if you don't do anything about the charging circuit, lithium rechargeables charge entirely different and will not survive long in that setting)


 No.1025221

Also, Does anyone else have a PC8300? I just noticed after taking that thing out of store that the lower part of the case has this plastic structure that's really common, but the upper part seems sanded, like when you sand a plastic case with a structure like this. (I've done so before for projects)

It didn't made much sense because there's print on these places which would've been sanded off if somebody did sand it. I then googled pictures of the computer and it looks exactly the same on these pictures, like somebody sended it.

Did the Japanese sand off the upper parts off these cases? Wtf.

Polite sage to not bump the thread with two of my posts.


 No.1025245

>>1023924

Also SDF.


 No.1025315

>>1025245

>Also SDF.

Last I knew SDF only offered dialup PPP. I don't think they have dialup shell access anymore.


 No.1025316

File: 08f2edc6de93f38⋯.jpg (76.37 KB, 650x814, 325:407, Old compy.jpg)

Can anyone tell me what computer is that?


 No.1025317

>>1025316

It looks like TRS-80, made by Radio Shack (hence the name TRS, The Radio Shack), however it looks heavily modded.


 No.1025318

>>1025315

They do have dial-in shell access still.

206-324-6330

206-234-0474


 No.1025321

File: 35d8b7c5ba80672⋯.jpg (48.58 KB, 441x438, 147:146, trs80-expansion.jpg)

>>1025317

Nah, it's just the bog standard model 1 with an expansion box and a tape recorder. Nothing really unusual about it other thsn the shitty desk it's sitting on.

also, I'm pretty sure that TRS actually stands for Tandy-Radio Shack

It probably doesn't help that there were at least 3 or 4 computers under that name that were very rarely compatible with other models.


 No.1025322

File: 607ba890bf5417c⋯.jpg (107.61 KB, 1200x798, 200:133, proxy.duckduckgo.com.jpg)

File: 1b245b192488c2c⋯.jpg (62.97 KB, 696x768, 29:32, IM-103_A.JPG)

>>1025318

ok didnt know that thanks. Ive been a member there for years.

ill give it a try.

>>1025316

It's a TRS80 model 1

http://www.trs-80.org/model-1/

With the expansion interface

http://www.trs-80.org/radio-shack-expansion-interface/

Looks like the Heath kit line voltage monitor next to the tape drive and a something wired in to an electoral box under it. Probably rigged up for some sort of home automation thing. That was all the rage back then.


 No.1025323

File: 628a8265e6ef704⋯.webm (5.98 MB, 640x360, 16:9, TRS-80 connecting to BBS.webm)


 No.1025326

>>1025317

>>1025321

>>1025322

Thanks!

>>1025323

I thought the message after the handshake was gonna be "OP IS A FAG" or something.


 No.1025328

>>1025323

Very cool.


 No.1025329

File: 320d38b5c6030ba⋯.png (603.71 KB, 850x583, 850:583, Screen Shot 2019-01-30 at ….png)

>>1025318

>They do have dial-in shell access still.

>206-324-6330

>206-234-0474

Gave em a shot with the vic20.The 474 number picks up but doesn't do anything. 6330 works


 No.1025330

>>1025323

Is that an 8" floppy?


 No.1025335

File: eece3b43762eab1⋯.gif (189.55 KB, 600x800, 3:4, trs80-m2-sep80m.gif)

File: 5519a9dc8be667d⋯.png (23.94 KB, 530x217, 530:217, Screen Shot 2019-01-30 at ….png)

>>1025330

Ya Model II had 8" drives. An interesting thing about 8" drives is they don't start and stop the disk. The floppy is always spinning. Thats that winding up noise you hear when he turns it on. 120 volt spindle motor.


 No.1025338

>>1025335

How does that work? Do they use a solenoid? It seems like if it was always spinning that the magnetic film would get ripped up from the inertial shock.


 No.1025339

>>1025335

How big is your supply of 8" floppy disks? Is it a pain in the ass trying to buy new (used) ones?


 No.1025350

File: 4938bfb6bbf6a0e⋯.png (503.38 KB, 700x606, 350:303, Screen Shot 2019-01-30 at ….png)

File: 8afc87a425bce0b⋯.png (128.05 KB, 518x492, 259:246, Screen Shot 2019-01-30 at ….png)

File: 251eacf2052d68c⋯.png (286.6 KB, 651x804, 217:268, Screen Shot 2019-01-30 at ….png)

>>1025339

I am not the anon who posted the M2 vid but i had a Model 16 for a while. The disks always spin and they use a solenoid to lift and drop the head on the disk when it needs access. His video cut out the sound of the 'noid.

If you skip around this vid you can see one in action https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAHIR2OYNVU

>>1025339

I don't have anything that uses 8" anymore. When I had it I wasn't on the internet yet and it was a PITA to find them. Thats why I traded the machine away. Today with the internet you can find them on ebay or https://www.floppydisk.com/5point25

Ive read a company called ATHANA still makes 8" disks for the US government

Everything I own now is DSDD or SSDD 5.25 and I have stockpiles of those. The SDcard floppy simulators kinda eliminates the need for them in daily use though.


 No.1025369

>>1025323

Damn they're pricey, but I do want one. Are there comparable systems out there that might be more affordable? $150 for an untested set is just too steep for me.


 No.1025372

>>1025369

Comparable how?

8" drives? All-in-one style?


 No.1025373

>>1025372

Form factor and general capabilities.


 No.1025375

>>1025373

Unfortunately most of your options there are going to be more expensive, if not more. The only other machines I'm aware in that category are the Commodore PET and some rare CP/M machines. You'll probably just have to be diligent and extremely patient if you want a machine like that for less than exorbitant prices.


 No.1025391

File: 6828383746d5035⋯.jpg (129.59 KB, 830x632, 415:316, proxy.duckduckgo.com.jpg)

File: 515c8ed8fa4a701⋯.jpg (22.4 KB, 474x311, 474:311, proxy.duckduckgo.com1.jpg)

>>1025375

>>PET

also the TRS-80 Model III, 4P, IV

Smaller "portables" but all-in-one

>Panasonic Sr Partner

>IBM 5155

>Compaq Portable 1

>Kaypro 2


 No.1025399

File: 5cead2895f33d78⋯.png (131.3 KB, 321x265, 321:265, apple-lisa.png)

>>1025391

That second image looks a lot like an Apple Lisa


 No.1025969

Out of curiosity, I tried NetBSD 8.0 on my Performa 475. Works fine, FTP installation method. (the network card worked instantly) I have the old version SCSI2SD in there and it's kinda slow and the 36 MB RAM aren't exactly a lot. calling a command or running a lua script can take a few seconds of seeking around the "harddrive". Still, everything seemed to work. I didn't want to delete my MacOS so I just dd't it to a bigger sdcard and configured the empty part as a second SCSI drive.

Did not want to do to myself to compile something though. There are only very, very few packages. Funnily I found it easier to set up and to get going than on ARM SBCs.


 No.1025983

File: 4c4e08b456d9dc6⋯.png (620.69 KB, 838x587, 838:587, a20-cubietruck.png)

>>1025969

The only hard part about ARM boards is the u-boot stuff. My steps for this board:


# on OpenBSD laptop (sd1 is the SD card)
ftp ftp://ftp2.fr.NetBSD.org/pub/NetBSD/NetBSD-8.0/evbarm-earmv7hf/binary/gzimg/armv7.img.gz

grab u-boot-sunxi-with-spl.bin from OpenBSD's u-boot-arm-2018.09.tgz package
identifies itself as: U-Boot SPL 2018.09 (Oct 16 2018 - 01:33:54 -0600)

dd if=u-boot-sunxi-with-spl.bin of=armv7.img bs=1k seek=8 conv=notrunc

dd if=armv7.img of=/dev/rsdXc bs=1m

grab sun7i-a20-cubietruck.dtb from OpenBSD's dtb-4.18.tgz package

mount /dev/sd1i /mnt/tmp
cp -i sun7i-a20-cubietruck.dtb /mnt/tmp
umount /mnt/tmp/

# in u-boot console
setenv kernel netbsd-CUBIETRUCK.ub
fatload mmc 0:1 82000000 $kernel
bootm 82000000

That's enough to get the board running, now to make it boot unatended (so it doesn't keep asking you the root device and such):

[code]

armv7# cat boot.txt

setenv kernel netbsd-CUBIETRUCK.ub

fatload mmc 0:1 82000000 $kernel

bootm 82000000 root=ld0a

armv7# mkubootimage -A arm -C none -T script -n Cubietruck boot.txt /boot/boot.scr

[code]

Now that I got my 3A power supply, I'm looking to get NetBSD on the HDD. I don't have any retro hardware, and probably won't buy any since it's all overpriced at this point. This is my next best thing, and I'm gonna make it super fucking comfy!


 No.1026095

>>1025983

Well, to be honest that's not a lot less cryptic than getting it up and running on the Performa. Maybe I'm just more familiar with the old stuff.

You wouldn't be happy with retro hardware and NetBSD. I tested a bit more and in fact, not everything is working. For example the soundchip supported is not exactly the same as the soundchip that's actually in my Performa and therefore I don't get proper sound. Going back in the mailing lists, this problem apparently has persisted for ~13 years now and I highly doubt any work is still done on the port. This is not me complaining, I'm not surprised nobody works on it anymore of course. It's surprising it works as well as is. With a bit more RAM you could probably pull terminal living off, if you are happy with a monochrome terminal. I don't think it would be a fun experience, though. You also have to consider that NetBSD of today is not NetBSD of 15 years ago or 20 years ago, code complexity went up, not down, which will make the same programs (but newer versions) of course run slower as they used to.

Also the power consumption to performance ratio is awful and will always be beat by some small ARM SBC. I doubt anyone uses a 68k machine seriously with NetBSD, like doing work on it. (correct me if I'm wrong, thread!) These machines are best served by their classical operating systems. I hooked my dot matrix printer up to the Performa and it's cool how effortless everything works. You can do some gaming and in between you can write your books or documents or whatever. Old Spreadsheet programs are fine too. I honestly doubt there's anything you couldn't do on that old system in that direction in a comfortable way, as long as you leave the internet mostly out of it, that is. I'm always curious about the idea of using these old system for serious stuff, but then I get too lazy to really get serious about it.


 No.1026128

>>1026095

Well if your classic OS has a good terminal program your all set. Just use a shell account to live the terminal life and access internet stuff that way. If you don't have a phone line then there are some decent modem simulators out there like the lantronix UDS100. Or one of the wifimodems

>https://www.simulant.uk/shop/retro-vintage-computer-wifi-modem-rs232-serial-hayes-compatible

>http://biosrhythm.com/?page_id=1453


 No.1026135

>>1026128

cool project but my Performa has a network card, it's a while since I tried it but there were a few telnet programs that would run via TCP/IP. Could telnet into a local ARM box then bounce from there into the internet via ssh and stuff.

Of course, you could use things like small ARM boards that way too, just remotely connect and run modern programs on them, but then you might as well just cut out the middle man and use those computers directly. Always feels nicer to make the old machines actually do the work. If there's a lot of point to that, eh, probably not.


 No.1026136

>>1026135

Which reminds me, there was even a telnet client for System 7 which supported Tektronix graphics. I don't remember what it was called, tho. The only other terminal emulator I know who can do that is xterm. How that'd even work I'm not entirely sure, have to read into it again.


 No.1026294

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>>1026135

But "doing the work" back then was often just running a terminal program. When I first got my 486, for at least a whole year I had no Internet access and simply called local BBS. There were enough of them in my area code that I could usually find one that wasn't busy. Then I eventually got a SunOS shell account at school, but that was also the same kind of dialup where you do everything remotely (not SLIP or PPP). It must have been at least another year before they gave us PPP finally. I had already installed Slackware at that point, and been using Minicom for everything. Then it was still at least another year before I bought a network card...


 No.1026313

File: ef5d3b826c211b0⋯.png (76.77 KB, 320x383, 320:383, Screen Shot 2019-02-02 at ….png)

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>>1025318

That 2nd number is flipped. 324 is the prefix.

SDF really is a great resource for old tech users. Dialup shell and ppp via pots, telnet, ssh, ftp, gopher, irc.

And they give you email and lynx access as well as all the other standard unix shit.


 No.1026321

>>1024731

fug, i have a ton of used shit right now, sort of thought of bed bugs potential but didn't do anything about it. i guess ill set all the shit in an empty room and surround it with sticky tape and shit


 No.1026323

File: 36cf42be9ac7539⋯.jpg (62.79 KB, 608x394, 304:197, proxy.duckduckgo.com.jpg)

>>1026321

A car parked outside is the best way to kill bedbugs in stuff you can't completely disassemble and inspect. .

Temps below freezing for a few days kill them as well as temps above 120F for a few hours. Both those ranges can be reached easy in the winter or summer. Just don't leave media like floppys or tapes in the car.


 No.1026327

>>1024851

Lots of people have been throwing out Trinitrons in my city. I got one just to play with, but it's 480 interlaced or whatever. Apparently there are 1080i ones ("super fine pitch"), I want one of those: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FD_Trinitron/WEGA

I saw a Hi-Scan one somewhere maybe I should have picked that one up.


 No.1026329

>>1026323

I live in Saudi Arabia we don't have Winter :(


 No.1026330

>>1026329

delet this


 No.1026392

Well lads I sent in my application for my college's tech support. I applied for computer repair and a courier job so if all goes well, I'll be getting a crappy wage and fix computers and deliver them around campus for 15 to 20 hours a week. I'm hoping I'll have access to some old "" "junk" "" as well. If not at least I'll have money to play around with.

I'll probably invest it all honestly, but if I have enough I might keep some and get something cool. I always wanted to build a real nice DOS PC. DOS is truly the best OS. Maybe with a Pentium 1 or 2. There are lots of new old stock beige ATX cases on ebay, I'd pick up one of those, two floppy drives, a CD drive, a model Meme keyboard, and a nice beige CRT.

At this point I'm just daydreaming but it's fun to think about. I can't count how many times I've opened a spreadsheet and priced out all the components I'd get. Money would be nice to have, but I want to get a car as well, and on top of that I want to put some money away for later on and then it seems hopeless.

I could have had all the stuff I want at great prices. Any of you live in the bay area? Weird Stuff warehouse was amazing, they had damn near everything and they closed a month after I discovered them. Pretty pissed off about it too.

I did get some diskettes, tapes, and a CD player there.


 No.1026421

>>1026095

Use git (or the tool NetBSD uses) to determine the date of the last meaningful 68kMac port contribution, and install the relevant version.


 No.1026427

>>1026392

I used to work at tech support at my college. If you want my advice, don't ask for something just take it. They wouldn't let me take things that were literally being recycled or thrown away. I ending up taking a few laptops that were about to be trashed, used them for a few years after I quit then sold them on eBay.


 No.1026519

>>1026427

Thanks for the advice. I used to do the same in high school, I'd grab whatever I wanted from the ewaste pile. I should have grabbed more, looking back. I did get an e-ink reader, a few laptops, PC components and a boombox, among other things.

I learned my lesson because the one time I actually asked about something, they hid it away so I couldn't get it. Otherwise, they'd never notice what I took. What a bunch of bums.

I still haven't heard back, hopefully I get the job but I may not.


 No.1026520

File: 61a04abef9d24c0⋯.png (9.22 KB, 667x318, 667:318, screenshot.png)

Tektronix emulation is indeed working with NCSA Telnet under System 7 (picture related) I got it working reliably by controlling gnuplot (has nothing to do with GNU btw.) output to a named pipe from another terminal session and attach the "tektronix" session to that named pipe via cat. Works fine, you can even zoom in and out.

I made the screenshot on my Performa with a tool called flash-it, then converted the file to .png.


 No.1026534

>>1026519

If you're half competent with a computer you're more qualified then half the IT staff. Put a bunch of buzzwords like "Linux" "Servers" "Active Directory" Computer Hardware " and so on in your resume/interview you'll get the job


 No.1026544

>>1026534

I'm pretty compent more in the sense of "power user" than an actual sysadmin, and I am horrible at programming. But I figured I'm thousands of times more well versed than the average normie, and I have a ton of experience doing stuff with windows which is what most regular people are using, so I'm sure I could help there.

I also mentioned that I have some Linux familiarity. I'm definitely not as experienced with it as I am with windows since I've been using windows most of my life and linux only recently. I also mentioned that I have a fair amount of experience with DOS and DOS based systems, because I kind of do, but thinking on it, I'm afraid it just makes me look like a huge autist.

The one thing I'm definitely sure about is my hands. Can't even count how many times I've taken apart and assembled computers including laptops. So I know I'd be able to make myself useful.

The real problem is they asked for my GPA, all I have is last semester's to give them, and I messed up badly last semester. I only have a 2.4. If I get an interview I'll try to explain that I had a rough time, but it could very well prevent me from getting an interview at all.


 No.1026559

File: 96202d11c24b804⋯.jpg (108.81 KB, 1024x768, 4:3, sempron desktop.JPG)

Anyone else keep a socket a system around? They're pretty versatile given the fact they have the drivers for windows 9x and enough power for a low end vista/7 machine. The only major issue is the lack of SSE2, but that usually only affects more modern software.


 No.1026571

>>1026559

I have a ton of socket A boards laying around. Just picked up a dual socket Tyan board the other day, but haven't had much time to fiddle around with it.


 No.1026573

>>1026571

I've always wanted to have a dual-socket build. Not the most practical thing in the world, but something about it has always appealed to me. Anyway, isn't dual cpu socket a hampered by the the only chipset supporting the feature supposedly being trash?


 No.1026576

>>1026559

Can I get your wallpaper?


 No.1026578

>>1026571

>dual socket Tyan board

pretty sure I have one of those, I have zero use for the damn thing aside from storing mismatched cpus in it.


 No.1026794

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>>1026576

Here's all the snek wallpapers I've got.


 No.1026865

>>1026559

My socket-a died early, had on mobo nvidia graphics, was a victim of the nvidia bad-bumps bullshit. Damn good machine.


 No.1026892

>>1026865

Wasn't bumpgate several years after Socket A/462 had been succeeded by Athlon 64 boards? At least you had the option of buying a cheap TNT2 or something as a replacement.


 No.1026894

P3 and P4 era machines were also heavily affected by the capacitor plague. Have seen and recapped tons of mainboards back then.


 No.1027394

>>1022929

well, yesterday I went ahead and ordered an adapter and an mSATA SSD online. I only got a 64GB SSD though, which is actually a downgrade in terms of capacity from the 80GB IDE HDD. But it was a lot cheaper. Everything should be here by next week hopefully. For extra storage I'll just plug in a low profile 64GB USB flash drive or something. I think the wireless card in my T40 is messed up too, but I have a USB wireless adapter that I had gotten to work with it, so I'll keep using that for now. Now the problem is I only have 2 USB ports on there and it's not very much. I might get a PCMCIA USB card, or I can get a PCMCIA wireless card to free up a USB port. I'm just glad I can have it running again soon, but I wish I had the money to fix it up better. The screen still has vertical lines on it from a bad ribbon cable connection.


 No.1027395

>>1014693

this is one really late reply but yes, it would. even so it would be fun.

there are DOS programs for more secure stuff like SSH though.


 No.1027710

You could connect your PC via serial to a small ARM SBC, basically use it as switchboard to connect out into the wide world with an reasonably secure and up to date ssh from an up-to-date OS. Even a Pi Zero W or equivalent would be more than enough for that, and you could profit from it being capable of using wireless. Basically like an old school shell account, just at home.

>>1025983

Offtopic but I've put Gentoo on mine, if you recall me from a few weeks ago. First I cross-compiled with my PC but that was kinda rough as apparently there are a few problems with qemu arm+gentoo and crosscompiling. Then I realized that my smartphone is basically a very fast ARM Linux computer, and now I cross-compile with my phone, using very little electricity. This truly is the future. Now I wanna get a smaller LED-backlight LCD for it (yeah I know you people love your CRTs and all but I wanna save electricity) and get most of my computing done in the sub 15W range. First I thought it's kinda stupid and will not make me more productive, then I caught myself having written a bunch of tools and now I started on a text-based game. Amazing how productive and also relaxed you get when there's not always a browser window somewhere. This is actually good for me psychologically, who would've thought.


 No.1027715

>>1014693

>Wouldn't that be insecure as fuck?

Actually it's not.

DOS doesn't have a TCP/IP stack. There are no services listening to get exploited. There is no multitasking to hide things in the background. You can't even ping a DOS machine unless its running a packet driver+something to respond to the ICMP requests.

When you want to go on irc you load your packet driver and the client software.

The client software (irc, telnet, what ever) has bring its own tcp/ip implementation. Once you close that client program the machine doesn't even have an IP anymore. The packet driver is just an API for your software to put/get packets off the NIC card.


 No.1029097

>>1026559

I got 2 socket A motherboards and 2 CPUs, although only one complete computer (RAM, PSU, hard drive, etc).

The main issue is that the heatsink is tied to the motherboard and the fan is tied to the heatsink, and the PSU is some noname chinkshit with a broken fan and dents on the outer body which I wouldn't trust not to catch fire.

Nonetheless it runs gnu+linux just fine and you can even use the less bloated WMs like dwm and i3 without hiccupus, although personally I use an empty X server + xterm + tmux. The GPU is some integrated VIA shit on the motherboard.

By the way the higher steppings of some of those CPUs are 64 bit and have SSE2, I doubt yours counts since it's a stepping 1, and I don't know if CPU-Z has that info in its database, but you can find out for sure by booting linux and cat'ing /proc/cpuinfo .


 No.1031613

>>1005781

I agree that freetardism is cancer but christ this is poorly written




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