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File: 8ffd0d92d89f0a2⋯.jpg (84.14 KB, 1200x709, 1200:709, DbfMP2CX0AAbg96.jpg)

 No.1025002

What are /tech/'s favorite alternative FOSS mobile operating systems? I would also like to hear a debate on which is better out of the following:

ubntu touch eelo pure os firefox os sailfish os lineage os tizen postmarket os kde mobile

pic related

 No.1025004

File: ee43afd3af0655a⋯.jpg (48.24 KB, 650x650, 1:1, n9.jpg)

File: f49ad3090967f6f⋯.jpg (45.66 KB, 450x800, 9:16, b35.jpg)

>>1025002

Sad to see Maemo/MeeGo go (or rather morph into that Sailfish abomination). Kinda like the simplicity of KaiOS (Firefox OS fork) - still has some bugs though.


 No.1025005

>>1025002

Pure OS (mobile version or not), KDE Plasma Mobile, and Ubuntu Touch: UBports edition have systemd, while eelo (/e/) is just a Lineage fork


 No.1025007

>>1025004

I havn't really used many mobile distros (apart from android (I am planning to make the switch to extremist vegan level open source user(I hate google's practices despite being open android) , part of the reason why I switched to 8chan from 4chan), so I am not to sure about other things like sailfish. What's wrong with sailfish OS? Is it hardware or GUI or is it a bit buggy? I also heard something about KaiOS being closed source, and is based on Firefox OS


 No.1025023

File: b58756ed26a4096⋯.jpg (77.14 KB, 474x769, 474:769, jdk.jpg)

>>1025002

Replicant and PostMarketOS.

The OS needs to actively try to remove the botnet the best it can.

I'd say I prefer PMOS mainly because it's not a "muh mobile OS" meme and an actual linux distro, but it's not very usable right now.


 No.1025024

>>1025005

>UBports edition have systemd

No its not, for now it using Upstart.


 No.1025026

>>1025023

what is pic related


 No.1025028

>>1025024

>What is DistroWatch

https://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=ubports

The project also has CoCk


 No.1025037

>>1025028

DistroWatch have wrong informations https://forums.ubports.com/topic/963/ubports-now-on-distrowatch/10

I'm using Ubuntu Touch on my tablet and smartphone as a daily driver, I have latest versions from RC channel and these devices have Upstart.


 No.1025039

>>1025037

Maybe tell them to remove any mention of systemDick from their DW page for now (depending on user and dev feedback) with https://ubports.com/blog/ubports-blog-1/post/ubuntu-touch-q-a-36-171 as proof.


 No.1025040

File: 8408ed407976bdd⋯.jpg (45.46 KB, 300x300, 1:1, lsb.jpg)

>>1025007

>What's wrong with sailfish OS?

The devs seem to be looking for the next big thing™ instead of making a good product - when I had a Jolla phone I even refused to update to Sailfish 2.0!

>about KaiOS being closed source

Partially, like with Sailfish the UI solutions are proprietary.


 No.1025042

>>1025040

>>1025040

The both soufd like shit now


 No.1025044

I went to go install lineage but my phone wasn't supported. I'm hoping the new Purism phone is good and might switch to that later


 No.1025046

File: b1c20dd4b641894⋯.png (380.92 KB, 518x583, 518:583, christ.png)

>>1025042

in theory you could spin your own libre build of Sailfish/KaiOS - sans their blobs, with a custom window manager - but without access to the bootloader you're stuck with (((their))) shit


 No.1025229

are there solutions for dualbooting ubports and lineage that's not shits yet


 No.1025267

good idea bitch

>>1025046


 No.1025288

Do you want your mobile to be a mobile phone? Don't touch postmodern os for another year to so.


 No.1025305

2020: YEAR OF POSTMARKETOS ON LIBREM 5


 No.1025310

The cellular chip inside most phones has transparent access to all system resources so installing AUTISM/Freedumbs on your phone won't do any good to anyone other than CIA niggers looking for potential targets.


 No.1025382


 No.1025467

>>1025004

what does the second pic have to do with anything? is it an open-source simple phone?


 No.1025468

>>1025467

It's a recent "rugged" KaiOS phone with 4G support and a few jewgle apps preinstalled


 No.1025487

>>1025468

kaios sounds like a good idea if it wasn't stain by google, opensource kaios rom when?


 No.1025542

>>1025310

Librem actually advertises the fact they try to seperate baseband from their open hardware, and there's Osmocom if you want open source baseband but limited to 3G


 No.1025883

>>1025487

when you take the time to make your own roms forked from it you sack of shit, if you learn , compile, install gentoo you ahould have it figured out (((IF YOU FEEL LIKE IT))) (((IT SEEMS KindA pOINTLESS I WOULdN"t DO IT MYSELF BUT IF YOU INSIST ON KAIOS WELL DIY)))


 No.1026548


 No.1026618

Anything that gives you the option/choice of running Android Applications (don't start a debate on privacy issues, I don't need much of that), and is NOT made by Chinese Data-Miners is good by my books.


 No.1026960

>>1025002

There is a fork of kai os called gerda for the 8110.

It removes the spyware.

https://gerda.tech/


 No.1026966

>>1026960

>site not functional without javashit

>currently in early alpha

What about posting screenshots of the website for everyone to see?


 No.1026970

File: f71d7e47243424a⋯.png (221.94 KB, 1436x2967, 1436:2967, Screenshot_2019-02-04 Gerd….png)

>>1026966

Okay here's the screenshot of the entire site.

All of its external links: https://paste2.org/UKXaNpe2

<jewgle groups

lol


 No.1027206

>>1025002

I don't know yet since I'm still waiting for Pine64 Phone.

>>1025044

It's (((ARM))) that's shit because it doesn't have standardized BIOS and nobody wants to package all drivers into a generic android image.


 No.1027279

File: e05065d445f8478⋯.gif (202.84 KB, 900x955, 180:191, huge-dancing-banana-2b.gif)

>>1026960

Thank you!


 No.1028162

bump


 No.1028304

File: 90be7026923e878⋯.png (276.16 KB, 421x881, 421:881, shell-l5-1.png)

>>1025002

I'm expecting Librem 5 to be fantastic.

PureOS Mobile is going to be pretty much the only fully supported mobile Linux distro based directly on Debian, meaning we get the fullest Linux experience on the palm of our hands. On top of that it's probably going to be compatible with Android (even if not directly, there's Anbox). Plus major security features that make it Richard Stallman's dream come true. And it's going to come with [drumroll]... a Headjack! [clap clap clap]

What do you think?


 No.1028312

>>1028304

>fantastic

>3GB RAM instead of 4+

>32GB storage instead of 64+

This will make it's docking mode useless since you can't use it as a desktop with these specs. 3GB is barely enough for web browsing.

Anbox won't run fine on it. Anbox stutters and lags even on desktops which have 10x more powerful CPUs than this thing. So don't expect to run android apps on PureOS. ChromeOS has a better implementation of android compatibility but I don't know what the performance hit is.

Battery life probably won't be good either.

It's ok, but I really think they should have made it with 4GB RAM.


 No.1028319

>>1028312

https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Librem-5-January-2019-Specs

3 things wrong with your statement:

1. RAM: 3 GB minimum (subject to change)

2. Card slot: microSD

3. I just read that their CPU is based on the ARM Cortex A53, meaning it will be compatible with Android in the same principle as Ubuntu Touch, Sailfish, Postmarket and Plasma Mobile.

Of course, it's purely optional and very proprietary.


 No.1028321

tried pmos, kde plasma, and ubports on a nexus 7 2012, arch failed to mount root.

was a complete fail, I just wanted to run some music trackers.

the ARM arch exposes all the flaws in the linux desktop.

ubports has a chance, the development of gnome 3 was essentially an attempt at rebranding to suit mobile devices.

they all need touch based window managers and gtk+/QT need better support for mobile.


 No.1028335

>>1028319

>3 GB minimum (subject to change)

I wouldn't be optimistic. Besides, 4GB is maximum their CPU supports.

>Card slot: microSD

This doesn't excuse 32GB main storage on a 600$ device.


 No.1028363

>>1028312

>3GB is barely enough for web browsing

With your shit browser with no kind of selective content loading, which is to say normalfaggot browsing.

>android

Drop the baby duck syndrome, nobody who wants to buy this machine gives a fuck.


 No.1028380

>>1028312

>3GB for browsing

Where the fuck did we go wrong?

What do you need more than megabytes for? Videos maybe...


 No.1028381

>>1028304

A good step forward, but I will never have an e2ee conversation with another phone because none else will use one for years even if I give them one for free.


 No.1028391

>>1028363

Take your autism pills before posting.


 No.1028392

>>1028312

>3GB is barely enough for web browsing

only if your using chrome on windows


 No.1028403

>>1028304

I'm pretty hyped. I'm only buying the phone (Most likely flashing Pure OS mobile to my Nexus 5) if it supports F droid. I know they're asking a bit much, but it's not apple, they HAVE a headphone jack, and buying will be supporting purism and the FOSS movement.


 No.1028406

OP here,

Just found out that /e/ is NOT approved by god RMS.


 No.1028491

File: 690b3d0b9aa7b92⋯.jpg (17.3 KB, 255x390, 17:26, 690b3d0b9aa7b92a58a91c2700….jpg)

We really need that.

Fucking CIAniggers accessing my phone.

I wish i could install Gentoo


 No.1028551

Rms does not like gentoo, by installing gentoo you are opresssing GNU>>1025002

>>1028491


 No.1028597

>>1028381

I haven't filled my credit in 6 months.

I only talk to people using Viber.

It's basically the WhatsApp of the third world, and a ton better in a lot of features.

So I'm basically already covered in that regard...

Either a .tar or .apk, it's easy to update both without Google Play in that regard.

>>1028403

Of course it does, just do the same thing what you'd do on Sailfish:

https://together.jolla.com/question/30926/howto-install-google-play-on-original-jolla-phone-sbj/

Get the Yalp Store:

https://github.com/yeriomin/YalpStore

Or if you prefer to keep it a separate OS:

https://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2011403


 No.1028612

>>1028391

<uh-oh, my shit tactics got found out, I have to control damage now

Interesting. Who do you work for?


 No.1028619

>>1028312

>you can't use it as a desktop with these specs.

Why the fuck would anyone use a phone as a desktop, if you already have a screen and keyboard/mouse at the spot you can have/bring a real computer there.

>3GB is barely enough for web browsing

You don't need above 3gb ram unless you do heavy video editing, play resource intensive 3D games or run multiple virtual machines. None of which you should do on a mobile device.

>So don't expect to run android apps on PureOS

Why would you want to run botnet applications on your libre phone?

>>1028335

Just pay like $10 for sd-card, not that difficult.


 No.1028660

>>1028619

I'm hyped when will it come out ?

I hope it won't be a retarded price like the iPhone.


 No.1028674

>>1028660

April 2019

Pre-Order price is 600$, Post-release price is 650$

It's pretty fair considering shipping costs and the fact that everything on the phone was hand-picked and made 100% botnet free.

They'll also have an option for all of their users to pay in rates of 50$ a month with a 20% interest fee.

And yes, it's 100% safe unlike your local providers.


 No.1028676

>>1028619

>Why would you want to run botnet applications on your libre phone?

Freetard spotted, not everything developed on a less than perfect system is botnet.


 No.1028836

>>1028619

the only "botnet" apps i want to run are peertube, mastodon, freindica, thunferbird and someother stuff that can only be on F droid.


 No.1028847


 No.1028977

>>1028674

>>100% botnet free

It will be the best option we have by far, but not quite 100% guaranteed. There's a reason the baseband is isolated.

I think it's reasonable to say its pretty safe but 100% is misleading.


 No.1028979

>>1028847

4chan is as bad as the popular 8ch boards. You'd better be there for something niche.


 No.1028980

>>1028979

clover supports 8chan, also the newfags on /b/ are to intersted in the porn than actually posts, regardless of quality any real threads mostly get ignored.


 No.1028982

>>1025305

>modern hardware

>(mostly) open firmware, can be maintained by community for security updates even if purism move on later

>Alpine Linux

>can turn off wireless while not at home or work or etc. to stop eternal commercial tracking from other botnet devices

If postmarketos andor purism gets a mascot by then I'll mastirbate to them for a week straight


 No.1028983

>>1028982

if that happens to poat TRIBUTE thread on 4chan's /b/ and 8chans /b/ with the code "FUkin NIGA ALpiNE ON MAcsot HOE, For my niggaer lienux'


 No.1028998

>>1028612

>>1028619

Read the fucking conversation you retarded pieces of shit and tell me where I stated that I want to run android apps.

>>1028660

>>1028674

If you're unlucky enough to live in EU the price will be 25% higher because muh import tax.


 No.1028999

>>1028998

>>/ausneet/ here, australia is basicly EU but a bit better and worse, will the same thing take place in here?


 No.1029046

>>1028998

Unfortunately, yes. But the monthly fee option is something very rare for ordering directly from a foreign business where I live. Especially if it ships worldwide from North America.

They usually expect you to pay everything up front here.

>>1028999

Yes, and I know the worst parts. Especially the prices.

It's like combining British Culture with American Living Standards and Politicians straight out of Singapore's Big Nanny School.

But hey, it works...


 No.1029110


 No.1029232

bump


 No.1029358

>>1029110

how do i set it up?


 No.1029365

>>1029358

Are you retarded?


 No.1029377

>>1029110

fuck you!


 No.1029404

>>1028304

>based directly on Debian

With or without systemD?


 No.1029662

>>1029404

Why don't people like systemDick? I haven't looked into it to much so pardon my ignant


 No.1030023

>>1028312

Pure OS is approved by RMS, so this would be the perfect phone for him


 No.1030025

>>1028612

the cia niggas


 No.1030027

>>1025310

True but not entierly. Installing a free OS still has other benefits, such as limiting the total amount of CIA_nigger_ware running in your device. Also, I am more worried about companies like Google, MS and Fagbook.


 No.1030042

>>1025002

Open a searx instance and search "Arguments against systems" you ignant motherfucker.

Don't shit up the thread.


 No.1030043


 No.1030216

>>1025002

aren't all of them dead at this point? I might try out aftermarket when i get my old n5 back from a friend


 No.1030445

This thread is already shit>>1030042


 No.1030453

File: 53fcf90573fb2c7⋯.jpeg (12.26 KB, 219x265, 219:265, proxy.duckduckgo.com.jpeg)

>>1029662

>my ignant

>not muh ignant

newfag perhaps?


 No.1030460

>>1030445

Let's see some of your threads genius


 No.1030497

bump


 No.1030786

bump


 No.1030796


 No.1030804

>>1030796

CIA Nigger, you glow in the dark. i know it's you


 No.1030909

>>1030796

bumo bump oola


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 No.1031271

bump


 No.1031308

bump


 No.1031310

>>1030804

double nigger


 No.1031315

>>1031310

Arnold scharwsanigger


 No.1031338

Android is the best open source mobile operating system!


 No.1031349

>>1031338

For now, when pureOS gets mobile forks system goodbye moonman to Android


 No.1031628

/e/ is my favorite right now. After the Librem 5 launches I'll probably upgrade to that


 No.1031971

Bump


 No.1032021

bump


 No.1032040

>>1025305

Lol if any it would be Necuno to get the closest RYF certified phone and not Librem botnet (unless they step up their game and STOP larping as some privacy savior hype fest).

https://necunos.com/community/

The only reverse engineered from ground up and partially working but usable stuff is Replicant's Samsung RIL which is sadly just still 3G and we're running out of time now that the world is planning to shut down 3G considering the fact around 95% of the world is 4G ready.

They're working currently on QMI RIL which is planned to bring 4G without the baseband botnet.


 No.1032041

>>1028304

>he probably preordered Librem 5

>he didn't preorder Necunos


 No.1032042

>>1028321

QT was exactly designed for mobile use so expect it to be ready once Neko Phone is out with plasma mobile.


 No.1032043

>>1028312

>ChromeOS

Google used portage to easily migrate code into both ARM/x86 devices so that's where the compatibility is. The problem is you won't have sim toolkit for that toy.


 No.1032085

>>1032040

>librem

>botnet


 No.1032343

>>1032040

Do you happen to be that obsessive reddit troll?

Anyway, what they are offering is far superior to competitors in their market. Its not perfect. Some of their marketing is exaggerated and preachy. It is still the best affordable and accessable option by a very large margin.

OpenBSD on EOMA68 isn't going to drag normalfags towards security, and unless you go full hermit and avoid most humans (good luck getting a job) then the insecurity or inprivacy of the people you interact with directly harms your own.


 No.1032466

>>1025002

Why was this thread autosaged?


 No.1033173

this whole issue does a pretty good job of demontrating the issue with free software. It just can't compete with proprietary corporate products.

Google can dump tons of money into developing hardware and software (android), since they know they can get money from OEMs and also sell user data to recoup the cost.

Purism or whatever can't do that, so they end up having to hike up the prices to cover their risk, which put their products out of the price range of most freetards. Best solution is to have some corporation sponsor development of a free operating system, kind of like how the linux kernel has paid devs contributing to it working for different companies.




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