No.536681
Fuck dynamic range, fuck refined timbre pallets, it's all a big brick wall of compressed loudness. The below Metallica track in pic related can be acquired legally from your local Walmart. The above track composited from Guitar Hero III master rips cannot - and therefore only circulates on torrent sites, to the chagrin of Lars Ulrich. Thanks RIAA.
Watch vid related and rage:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1uKiQ6doJY
Just another reason why you shouldn't feel a lick of remorse torrenting all your favorite tunes. The music biz is willing to water down their own product if it means more dumb people get hooked on the cheap EQ. They flip the last few audiophiles willing to shell out for CDs the bird.
No.536689
I was told that this song would sell well if I made it loud. :^)
No.536700
>>536681
It started with Michael Jackson wanting his releases mixed "hot".
If you want quality, you're forced to buy old CD's. Anything released mainstream past the mid 90's is more likely to be a "hot" mix.
No.536704
>>536681
They know they can get away with it because most plebs have shit 99 cent headphones or fashion brands like Beats or Skullcandy
When he started playing the compressed Pink Floyd though I actually cringed at how jarring a difference it was even on my laptop speakers
No.536747
>why does shitty music have shitty mastering?
guitar hero came out years ago, this story is ancient.
No.536814
>>536681
This is one area the vinyl meme is actually legit. The loudness wars were physically impossible with that format because trying to master it that way would cause the player's needle to pop off the record. Of course, vinyl still has the pretty major downside of being damaged even after a single use, unless you only play it using a retardedly expensive laser-based record player, which itself has the downside of being sensitive to any sort of dust or whatever (but at least that can be dealt with).
No.536823
>>536681
>the irony of that video's audio being so awful
No.536826
Why exactly do they do this?
Do they actually GAIN anything from slamming everything up against the high end?
No.536833
>>536826
Engineers favorite more dynamic range
Corporate types like management feel like dynamic range has too many lows/is too quiet and the lows need to be more in your face to appeal to mass produced radio pop song junkies
It's that simple
No.536847
You're a little bit slow.
No.536849
>>536681
>getting music from game
>not using 'youtube-dl --audio-format mp3 --extract-audio' to download music
No.536850
>>536849
>not knowing videogames have uncompressed textures, audio and video
It's a reason why they're huge in filesize nowadays.
No.536851
>i eat
>the timing between i and eat are complete silence
how annoying
my autism is overriding whatever he's saying, it's also hard to get the actual jist of what he's saying, especially when he's comparing the songs, not only that the audio sucks because the audio is compressed anyways because youtube and mp4
No.536856
>>536826
When a track is mixed hot, it sounds better on low-fi systems (think radio).
When radio was a big deal, a good sounding track on the radio could mean more record sales.
So: Hot track meant hot sales.
No.536872
for someone going full autism over audio he sure made his voiceover sound like annoying shit
No.536925
>>536849
>getting music from youtube
No.536932
>>536925
As opposed to JVscript-buggy-wonder that is soundcloud?
No.536937
>>536925
>muh high pitch detail
I N A U D I B L E
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No.536952
>>536937
it's about recompression m8
the data is distorted much more than your meme high pitches
No.536979
>>536932
>implying you cant use youtube-dl on soundcloud
>not getting ripped audio from private trackers and/or burning cds (lets hope that audio isnt compressed)
and/or not having shit taste
No.536981
>>536681
The most annoying thing about this video is that this idiot left the microphone on voice detection and everytime he pauses his mic is cut completely. How you can talk about dynamic range and compression without noticing how chopped up your voice sounds in the recording is beyond me.
No.537019
>>536848
Thats on Youtubes end, youtube also flats and raises the volume, not to forget the horrible compression.
This especially happened in the beginning of Youtube.
If you reallly want to, go on Rutracker, find a Death Magnetic GH3 torrent, a LP rip and a CD rip.
Then you'll hear the horribleness, it's pretty sad too because it aint a bad album, but thanks to the horrible loud mixing shit the CD version has it got shat on.
No.537079
No.537084
The RIAA needs to be abolished along with the MPAA.
No.537088
>>537019
>>536925
Supposedly YT stops compressing audio and boosting lows on 720p+ videos so if you want full range find those
No.537177
mate this shit's old news
also what retards deserve for continuing to buy music from large scale labels
No.537187
So where do you bros go for your uncompressed audio?
No.537195
>>537079
me
No DAW wars, please.
>>537187
Mostly private but occasionally public trackers.
>mfw flac and cue
No.537282
>>536681
These are two separate issues. On the one hand, you've convinced yourself that pirating music is ok, through some stupid rationalization that I don't care about.
On the other hand, the music producers produce music you don't like. But this is irrelevant. Whether or not piracy is ok, the music producers certainly have a right to add compression to the music they create. If you don't like it, don't listen to Metallica.
No.537303
>>537282
And OP is a fag that has the right to complain about it here. If you don't like it, don't come to a chan.
:O)
No.537311
No.537313
>>537282
Somehow, through your lack of reading comprehension, you have missed the fact that piracy allows OP to listen to metallica without compression.
No.537314
>>536925
that pic is a fucking masterpiece
No.537879
>>537313
But music piracy is wrong and evil. You aren't some sort of entitled parasite, are you?
No.537944
>>537313
I got that, it's irrelevant. The music producers didn't want to let out the non-compressed version for general listening, and neither do metallica, so what right does OP have to demand the right to listen to them?
>>537303
Stupid argument. OP said something stupid. I said OP was wrong. If you don't like seeing OP being contradicted, don't come to a chan.
No.538012
>>536826
I see what you did there
No.538022
Am i the only one that is getting sick of music?
I fell like whenever i listen to it someone elses ideas or views are being put in my head.
Not to mention the cultural signaling involved in it, people walking around with their head phones on being pumped full of all this corporate brainwash.
No.538023
No.538049
>>538022
Don't listen to mainstream music. You're not automatically a hipster if you get your music from an indie site such as bandcamp. Artists like Venetian Snares and bands like Kraftwerk are reasonably popular among /tech/ies
No.538061
>tfw you're a EDM subgenres peasant and artist only distribute music via iTunes and JewTube, never uncompressed
Sometimes I wish my music taste wasn't so pleb like.
No.538062
>>537195
Post some more of your stuff
No.538064
Why would you feel remorse in the first place? Someone making a copy of their data and giving it to you is perfectly fine.
'Sides hot mixes sound better on my cheap earbuds.
>>538022
Congrats! You just discovered the function of all art - subtle transmission of ideas. Well, not all art. Modern art is more about nonsense accompanied by a less-than-subtle essay explaining why the artist couldn't be assed to make something good.
It's only brainwashing if you're a follower type who can't hear another person's ideas with a hint of emotional charge to them without stepping right in line.
No.538065
>>538022
>Listens to nothing but radio songs
>"Guys I'm sick of music!"
No.538093
>>537187
>uncompressed
Get out or lurk more
No.538106
>>538061
>tfw my father endowed me with taste and intricate knowledge of 70's rock and underground hip-hop
Since the nigger didn't pay a lick of child support, I'll call that the greatest thing he's ever done for me.
No.538204
>>537187
I think What.CD is the only reliable place
No.538814
>>538204
this. There are others but they're only harder to get into
Go to whatinterviewprep.com, it explains the interview process and what you need to know
No.538857
>>538106
>underground hip hop
>I fell like whenever i listen to it someone elses ideas or views are being put in my head.
Well, that's what you get for listening to music with lyrics.
No.539163
>Not listening to DSD via a high quality DAC
>2016
Fucking plebs, all the lot of you
No.539169
>>538106
>hip hop
>father didn't pay child support
who knew niggers browsed /tech/?
No.539181
>>538022
>mfw my music collection consists of instrumental music, nonsensical weeaboo music, and memes
Can't insert corporate brainwashing into instrumental music.
Can't insert corporate brainwashing when the music means literally nothing in a language I can't understand.
Can't insert corporate brainwashing when I associate your message with something else.
Only downside is that outside of jazz, instrumental music is ridiculously hard to find. But I find some good gems every now and then.
No.539217
>>537944
>The music producers didn't want to let out the non-compressed version for general listening, and neither do metallica, so what right does OP have to demand the right to listen to them?
Kill yourself
No.539222
>>539163
>DSD
Enjoy your distortion
No.539280
>>537195
>me
Got a name for it? so I can add it to my library And also >>538062
No.539299
>>539181
>mfw not a native english speaker
>mfw I don't unserstand 99% of the non instrumental shit I listen to
No.539312
>>539299
>>mfw not a native english speaker
>he wrote, in english
No.539320
i propose we end the loudness war in recordings, by simply making speakers bigger and badder. music shouldn't be convenient or portable. pass a law requiring all speakers to be driven by at least 1000 watts. problem solved. the weak speakers will die out and the strong will survive.
just as nature intended.
No.539349
>>539181
>too autistic to handle words
wew lad
>>538064
>nigger justifying theft
>again
>uses earbuds for music
>ok with shit quality audio
Just end yourself.
>>538061
>edm
Shit taste.
>>538022
>being this much of a pussy
>listening to radio-friendly music
>>536848
Because you're retarded.
>>536851
>>536872
At least you fags admit you're autistic. Would you rather it be full of shitty background noise like some faggot with a $5 microphone?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IE4wVwoFdYg
Here's another dude going over it with some more examples. An actual "day job is wedding photography" amateur audio engineer.
No.539359
>>539181
>Only downside is that outside of jazz, instrumental music is ridiculously hard to find
Are you fucking serious?
>electronic music
>ancient music
>baroque
>classical
>progressive metal
No.539368
>>539312
You must not be a native english speaker either, if you think that you can't speak english without being a native speaker.
No.539369
More resources on dynamic range: https://chiru.no/cirno/309
No.539433
>>539349
>>too autistic to handle words
>Other people having different taste is autism
Not even /mu/ is that retarded. Jesus Christ.
>>539359
I knew someone would call me out on Classical after I re-read what I wrote. I listen to that too.
I'd listen to more electronic music if I could pin down albums/artists I liked better. As it stands, whenever I get access to XM radio, I listen to EDM, but I have no idea who's who or what's what.
That said, the best I can find in metal, in a broad sense, is CROW'SCLAW, and the best I can find in rock, in a broad sense, is Liquid Tension Experiment. If you have other suggestions, I'm all ears.
No.539440
>>539433
What's your opinion on modules/demos?
Because scene.org has 1.3TB and you can get it with rsync
Also, nice OS
No.539448
>>539440
I don't understand. You mean like the music that tends to come with demos, or the demos themselves? MIDI shit is pretty good if it's done well and long enough, if that's what you're asking. I've developed a soft spot for Amiga music recently, its soundfont is otherworldly.
Also your link is a website that's under construction, so I wasn't sure what I should be looking at to get a better idea.
No.539467
>>539448
>scene.org
Oh right, I completely forgot about the under construction part.
You want ftp.scene.org (FTP obviously), or https://files.scene.org/faq/ and scroll down to mirrors to find the rsync instructions
And yes, Amiga music is module music
No.539479
No.539490
>>539433
Just listen to progressive.
No.539597
>>536826
Because they target faggots like those who posted that YouTube 96 kbps audio is enough for everyone in this very thread.
General public uses cheap $5 speakers and mobile phone headsets to listen to their favorite music in lowest bitrate streams. It's impossible to make them produce better sound, so the pop industry tries to fit into these constraints. Instead of sounding good on a decent hardware and shitty on shitty one, audio is made to sound mostly equally everywhere.
Radio stations had their own pre-processing and compression schemes since the early days. The point of “radio edits”, apart from length requirements, was to make the result uniform and/or make the audio more resistant to alterations.
No.539702
>>538064
Music is brainwashing. If it has lyrics in it it's basically a recording of someone elses ideas being repeated over and over again.
>>539181
This.
That's why i listen to bands like hands upon black earth and such. It's uplifting music without telling you how to feel or think.
No.539754
>>539433
I have seen cuckchan /mu/ being even more retarded than that.
No.539788
Made these to illustrate DR to my retarded friends
I was hoping to make a visual representation of what they apparently cant hear.
No.539907
>>539597
>implying 96 kbps isn't of perfectly acceptable quality
No.540679
>>538062
>>539280
I'm not all that sure about doxing myself, so I'll just upload some stuff in the musicprod shameless self promotion thread. I renamed the track I posted in this thread.
>>>/musicprod/1583
>>539788
This is awesome, but I'm pretty sure every color would need to be included since you can still hear all the frequencies in a smashed track. I'm still taking it.
No.540693
>>539433
>too autistic to understand the point that was actually presented
>still too autistic to handle words
>>539702
Holy shit just kill yourself. Literally flat-earther-tier autism.
>HURR MUSIC IS BRAINWASHING LYRICS ARE BOTNET REEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>539907
>>539597
>imblying 96kb/s is even used
You twats. Youtube uses 128kb/s AAC for non-weebm audio on anything above 3GP version of 240p up until 2k res.
No.540700
>>536689
>migraine-inducingly bad/loudness war'd production
>hipster shit chiptunes
Congratulations, you gave this thread cancer.
No.540704
>>536689
>migraine-inducingly bad/loudness war'd production
>hipster shit chiptunes
Congratulations, you gave this thread cancer.
HOTWHEELS GOD DAMMIT
GET YOUR LAZY NIGGER ASS OFF IRC AND FIX YOUR SITE
>That file already exists in this thread!
Then where's the fucking post? Jesus fuck this software is shit.
LYNXCHAN NOW
No.540749
>>540693
>Throwing around "autism" as an insult as if it were water
>"No way man, you just don't get the point"
>"What's wrong, my argument too deep for you?"
>That webm
Alright, here, I took the bait. What's the next step in your master plan?
No.540968
>>539597
It gets worse when you consider that normalfag headphones are literally designed to play normalfag music. They think their Beats Dr. Dre sound great, because these headphones are specifically designed to make normalfag music sound great and because normalfags think PHAT BASS is good sound.
No.540981
>>540968
At least, they're good "put it in my garbage drawer" social flags.
No.541017
>>540981
> use train to go to school every day
> grill with Beats headphones goes to sit next to me
> a faint "thump thump" is amplified into my brain as I damn this early morning
> anger builds up inside me
> tap her shoulder
> she lifts one side of the headphones
> the "thump thump" now fills up the carriage, I can't even make out which frequently played radio popsong this might be
> tell her I hate this song
> she says "oh sorry" and hastily switches to another song
> the guy sitting in front of me chuckles and asks her politely to put the volume lower
> spent the rest of the trip wondering if I'm the autist for making a shitty joke at a random person or if she is the autist for not getting it
No.541023
>>536826
i remember reading that we as humans preferred loud music, so louder=better.
sadly I don't have source though
No.541026
>>541023
That wouldn't be a problem if it was just louder.
No.541044
>>541017
What joke would that be?
No.541068
>>541044
"I hate that song" is probably the joke way to tell "your shit is too loud, retard". It's loud enough to recognize the song, if you really don't have two spare neurons.
No.541144
>>541044
Another anon gave you the answer >>541068
Are you the girl with the Beats
No.541455
No.541500
That fucking nigger Dre went and made his only good album LOUD for the remaster.
No.541587
This is old as fuck OP.
Besides, Lars can go fuck himself with a rake for Napster.
No.541686
>>541500
>$current_year
>not making bangers
No.542259
>>541587
>our business model is outdated
>the customer is to blame
No.542289
>>536681
sudo apt-get install spek
That's NOT a proper spectrogram.
No.542314
Luckily the music I listen to is not really affected by this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2iabvsRPtL8
No.542340
>>542314
my ears are bleeding now
No.542352
>>541500
You wanna hear what TOO much dynamic range sounds like?
Listen to the original mix of "The Next Episode" on headphones.
No.546576
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>>542352
Only copy I could find was on this website which hosts its stuff on freaking ul.to which seems to have decided it doesn't like Linux or something
So I have to use this crappy-upload-site ripping program written in Java thank god it's open-source but it still feels sketchy using it
No.546596
reminder that audiophilia is a disease of the mind
No.546597
No.546599
No.546608
>>546596
Good thing that understanding dynamic range doesn't make you an "audiophile", right?
No.546610
>>546608
Wat's funny is that the people who pay for those shielding cables may or may not even be aware of the things that actually matter, like mastering and dynamic range
No.546616
>>540749
>butthurt about being called autistic
Too close to home?
>>541023
Easily solved by turning up the volume, not ruining the production.
>>542289
>>>/g/
No.546621
>>546608
i will admit this
No.546663
>>542352
Straight from FLAC to Opus@256Kbps
http://wiki.hydrogenaud.ioa/index.php?title=Opus#Music_encoding_quality
>256kbps, stereo:
>Transparent with very low chance of artifacts (a few killer samples still detectable).
pls ignore shit cover art job since 8chan forced me to encode it to full video
No.546728
>>546597
>>546599
> what are magnet links
> how do I copy 40 alphanumeric characters of a hash and post them anywhere
/tech/
No.546778
>>546610
I've "discussed" with them a number of time. They unironically believe that vinyl is better than CD as a medium. Or that depth>16bits and sampling rate>44100 "sounds better". Or that flac mpleb3 is still shit, faggots on a PMP is a logical move.
No.546784
>>546610
You know that 128k is almost transparent for opus > 1.1? Use 160k if you're doubtful, but more is retarded.
No.546808
>Sudden, loud increases in volume while you're listening
>Risking hearing loss because "Muh high quality"
No thanks m8. I support the idea of compression being done client side though. (ie. Speakers, audio cards and the likes having their own compressor or even just more software options for it in drivers or music players.) Similar problem to low quality mp3s vs lossles.
No.546818
>>536689
>video file can't be played because it is corrupt
Nice, anon.
No.546827
>>546808
> Risking hearing loss
> baiting as someone who doesn't know how controls on his devices correspond to loudness
No.546829
>>546827
I'm referring to nsec/msec here, not multiple second long changes. Especially as the louder parts on uncompressed versions are usually high end percussion, which also happens to be the range our ears are most sensitive to.
No.546883
>>546829
>>546829
If you set all knobs on your $50 000 sound system on 11, you should realize that loud parts will play that loud. Upper limit is upper limit, we're not talking about floating point data and unlimited amplitude signals.
What you describing is the problem of shittiest cheap and integrated speakers that have to be turned way too loud to produce legible sound, and can't even handle typical DVD audio mastering that is supposed to target average consumer system. They are the cause of extreme dynamic range compression.
No.546933
Alright op, you sold me. Now I'm going to be some kind of audiophile hipster.
It's really clear to me that the music industry wasn't music to be more conceptual and less formfull.
I guess compressed music is what modern art is to classic art.
No.547288
>>546778
>being a 16 bit 44100hz pleb
What's it like back there in 1992? Enjoying your shit quality audio?
No.547290
>>536826
It's gotta slam or Samantha and her slut friends won't listen in their car.
No.547291
>>547288
Do a blind test. You'll fail.
No.547294
>>546933
>music to be more conceptual and less formfull
No, they want it to be simple, stupid, vapid, meaningless, but catchy enough you go and buy it and fill your head with propaganda.
>>547291
>implying
>with zero evidence
wew
No.547297
>>546784
That's a pretty shitty suggestion. It's far more appropriate to recommend vorbis at q5 (~160kbps) given its proven transparency, over something which is still in relative infancy and has yet to have large formal listening tests at 128kbps+ levels.
No.547305
No.547313
>>547294
You will fail a blind test. No question about it. You'll fail.
No.547336
>>539788
I heard some rumors saying that if you using a high end headphone or some sort of dynamic enhancement device, you could bring back the quality of the dynamic that have lost from that music file. Was that a falsehood?
No.547350
>>539448
>soundfont
>not understanding what a mod is
No.547453
>>547336
Single filter applied to the whole track can be reverted (with some quality loss) if you know the threshold level. Mix of multiple instrumental tracks with individual compression settings is irreversible because proper extraction of individual instruments from audio is generally impossible.
Read some theory: http://www.ac3filter.net/wiki/Loudness_and_dynamic_range
No.547580
>>538022
Yes, have become sick of music lately.
I am getting rid of cell phone. No ipod or other music player. Only ham radio now, no normie radio, no youtube music except that which i use for coding (sheepy).
The only music I listen to now is my coding music (I download off sheepy) that I listen to on loop while coding, cause it's easy to code zoned out to dreamy bitches looping in my ear while coding, or else traditional music such as related.
No.547613
>>539702
>mentally weak
>>539349
>"theft"
>actually brainwashed and autistic at the same time
No.547679
Top lel, all these anons saying piracy is stealing.
Stealing implies the original has been removed, whereas with data only copies are made. Not to mention when you purchase music legally (ESPECIALLY through something like iTunes) that the people who made the music get a very very minor fraction of the money you paid. If you really want to support artists then torrent the shit and send the artist a donation/check.
No.547790
>>547679
That's why bandcamp is good.
No.547792
I don't get it. I just see a normalized version of the upper track. What am I missing here?
No.547795
>>547583
>fucking degenerates fucking around and having abortions
>LETS GO DANCING LMAO
No.547804
>>537088
Just list all filetypes with
youtube-dl -F "url"
and get the highest bit rate audio file type
For example, high bitrate m4a is file id 141
So,
youtube-dl -f 141 "url"
>720p is file id 22
No.547806
>find new band
>first single, is golden though flawed in the bands unique way
>gets picked up by some label
>second album more of the same but higher quality because label funding
>second album tops first
>third album announced
>cover art different from past albums
>hear first single
>mixing is now generic squashed shit
>no more flaws that made them special
>delete new album
Everytime. Fuck mainstream mixing
No.547820
>>547804
You only need
yotube-dl -x "url"
to grab the best audio from video
No.547873
>>547795
>thinking you can fight multi-billion dollars and more than a hundred years old brainwashing
No.547921
>>547313
>implying
>with zero evidence
wew
>>547580
>>>/autism/
>>547613
>>>/autism/
>>547873
>being a defeatist cuck