/tech/ - Technology

No. There are no options for a non-botnet phone. The proprietary nature of and patents surrounding the baseband architecture and technology preclude it from happening

>>537350

A dumpphone that can act as a wifi hotspot would be neat if it existed

I have BB/iOS/Android phones, I hate BB10 the least, but they're all botnet

Are there any small, open tablets with GPS and 3G that support GANOO/LOONIX?

>>537371

I also want this

I use a Lumia and it's pretty non-botnet.

Even "dumb phones" are botnet. It's not your network

And no matter how unbotnetted a phone could be, it still would reveal your location at all times. And that's the most important thing

disable CM usage statistics tard. Get a chinaphone AKA an MTK-powered device. They have shit support and the kernel is broken, but you can remove anything. And when I mean anything you can connect the phone to your PC in fucking preloader mode. FFS every partition is in hex,

>>537402

tell me more about this

Neo9000 isn't non-botnet, the even dropped the idea of having it all open-hardware and instead said fuck it and appeased the hypebeasts by adding 4G LTE

>>537371

you can install GNU/Linux on almost every android device

Nexus 4, i just run whatever rom I like at the time. no gapps installed, at all.

blackmart, aptoide, and fdroid handles my apps. add in xposed, xprivacy, adaway, and afwall+ to make it comfy. if you have anything that needs a gapps backend or whatever there are a few "no gapps" packages like NOGAPPS project.

I've given up on finding a "non-botnet" device,

the hardware still has botential.

>>537350

> has been phoning home to Cyanogenmod with a unique ID

fucking hell, I knew of something that could disable all of that in one go but I forget the name.

https://github.com/mar-v-in/freecyngn there we go, found it

I'd buy a phone that can be rooted so that you control it more, I bought a BQ Aquaris that can be rooted, I don't run on Android any more.

>>537425

Didn't it have something to do with the legality of using or selling non-certified baseband software outside of research?

There's a good reason why the FSF isn't wasting their time trying to make a free version of baseband software;

>This is a pretty serious issue, but one that you rarely hear about. This is such low-level, complex software that I would guess very few people in the world actually understand everything that's going on here.

>That complexity is exactly one of the reasons why it's not easy to write your own baseband implementation. The list of standards that describe just GSM is unimaginably long - and that's only GSM. Now you need to add UMTS, HSDPA, and so on, and so forth. And, of course, everything is covered by a ridiculously complex set of patents. To top it all off, communication authorities require baseband software to be certified.

http://www.osnews.com/story/27416/The_second_operating_system_hiding_in_every_mobile_phone

Instead they're developing Replicant as replacement for Android, something that the OP here ought to look into. Good name & easily understood message. If they were to waste their time and money with baseband software nobody would care or understand what they're doing.

http://www.replicant.us/

As for the Neo900 project there's still no word on how hard PayPal fucked them over.

Wireless everything is cancer and protected by patents and several compliance shit stuff that had to be checked first by government and corporations so it doesn't hurt their profits and agenda. Baseband is the worst. If you'd like a non-botnet phone bluetooth, wifi, cellular wouldn't work unless it is reverse engineered or leaked.

Android so far is the worst choice, even worse botnet than iphone and windows mobile.

Even the vanilla AOSP rom contains google botnets (since it is a google project :^) it is a given.)

I don't understand why almost every apps need to track location / cell location and network location every fucking time even the calendar, certs, and message app has to phone home and tell google your exact location, oh wait even the kernel connects over the internet and my firewall logs tells me it's google IP addresses! great

Android app permissions are godly? Great! In a year apps no longer need to declare their permissions and just use exploits out in the open say a CVE 2014 never-patched vulnerability unless you're on a nexus botnet.

>>537485

Godspeed replicant!

>>537402

>>537450

>mediatek

muh nigga

best android chipsets and they're pretty cheap. The problem is they build up too much heat.

>Are there ANY options for a non-botnet phone?

That's why if you can't hack it you don't own it.

Hacking is life, Stallman is the god of free computing.

Richard Stallman does not use a phone bc he knew they're all botnets.

If you want a phone-like experience just get a mobile portable computer (like those beaglebones SBCs) and over a wifi use a free version of VoIP or some messenger. You might as well hack the LTE+wimax network to provide you internet wherever you are illegally free

tinfoilersssss strike againn..... muh windows 10000 botnet. linux is nsa proof goys. just live in the woods and use a tin can to communicate... cash in hand $$$$$ hooker/drugdealer/cleaner...

jesse ventua/stallman=gods of tinfoling. listen to alex jones on lw goysss........

>>537402

>>537446

>>537450

What are the most popular hackable Mediatek phones on the market at the moment? I had no idea this existed. I feel like a normie.

>>537751

Don't know, I have a LG Spirit as main. I was surprised it was mediatek, guess LG needed to save up on mobo money. Don't buy this one since kernel source is completely broken and LG won't do shit about it. https://www.china-devices.com/ is a great place to find out what you're searching for.

>>537494

Agree, but the company is a jew and never complies to GPL(only to companies, FOR A FUCKING FEE)

>>537350

Firefox OS is a thing and probably the least botnet option out there as far as smartphones go. You can buy an unlocked ffOS phone off of Amazon and get a sim card for it. The downside is a small app marketplace and the fact that most of the phones with ffOS pre-installed have low-quality hardware. The upside is that it's not phoning home to Google, Apple, or Microsoft and that the phones with ffOS pre-installed are marketed outside of America, which means there's no requirement for the manufacturers to plant NSA backdoors in the hardware.

>I'm seriously considering getting a dumphone for calls/sms and a small laptop with inbuilt 3G and GPS for everything else

I've always done this. laptops are far superior to cuckphones and tablets in every possible way.

It doesn't matter what phone you use, you're still on the botnet network.

>>537792

>laptops are far superior to cuckphones and tablets in every possible way.

Except portability and battery life, but otherwise I agree that laptops are better.

CAN A MOD FUCKING STICKY THAT THERE ARE NO NONBOTNET PHONE PLEASE

JUST PIN IT UNDER WHY WE SHOULDN'T USE DUCKDUCKGO

I AM SICK OF THIS QUESTION APPEARING AND I AM A WANGBLOW FAGGOT

>>537350

>this nigger installed gapps and then disabled sync in order to "stop the botnet"

>>537350

Xiaomi.

I have a Mi Note Pro with xiaomi.eu MIUI variant.

Mi5 just launched recently and it's a Beast.

>>537350

Xiaomi.

I have a Mi Note Pro with xiaomi.eu MIUI variant.

Mi5 just launched recently and it's a Beast (and cheap as fuck).

Cripplewheels, let me post already, you motherfucker

>>537350

>Hey guys why does this box with 10 different transmitters keep sending out radio waves?

1.) You're a retard

2.) You're probably a paranoid fuck

3.) A smartphone, by function, sends out your data

Ever hear of E911 location?

And dumbphones have this too

You signed up for this m8

>>537358

This.

Not to mention every government has strongly persuaded radio manufacturers to include backdoors.

>>537350

You could theoretically use a prepaid android phone to serve as a hotspot, and use a non-backdoored device to connect to a buttcoin paid VOIP provider in a different country through tor using a VPN.

You could do that with a cheap android phone and an OpenPandora device.

This would not stop location tracking using GPS, but with a cash prepaid that would be irrelevant.

>GPS tracking

>what are MTK-based chinaphones

>what is compiling android from source

>what is app permission management

Honestly, your ignorance is funny. Amdroid can be non-botnet if you want to, It just takes time to do everything,

>>538173

Or Allwinner phones, both MTK and Allwinner have open-ended ARM hardware and BIOS roms

>>537494

The usual Android is botnet, but of the major systems, it's by far the best for de-botnetting.

>>537350

Just wait until they get that wifi shit that covers an entire city. They'll probably force you to use that instead of your own router and cable line.

Oh god. They'll probably get rid of RJ-45 all together eventually.

>>538201

xposed is my saviour

>>537350

Install a slim ROM and stop bitching.

It amazing how the complaints of so many boards align with the complains of /pol/.

>>538406

what are you even talking about?

>>538178

>Allwinner

>choosing a chinese botnet that steals GPLed code over an american botnet that obeys FOSS licensing

>>538351

what all do you use with xposed? I'm always looking for new shit to try

>>538406

while somewhat true, what does this have to do with the thread?

It's called installing a costume os on your Android phone, one like kali for example which even though is a meme is good at keeping yourself off of the botnet

>>538427

What? You'll have to provide some reading material for that.

>>537384

Windows phones are, by definition, botnet.

>>537350

Best you'll probably get is the iPhone honestly. Apple doesn't use data mining as part of its business model like Google and MS do.

>>538665

Except they do.

>>538693

>>538690

[citation needed]

That blue nokia one that doesn't break

>>537350

>>538885

Oh, and I recommend using dumbphone (an old Nokia is good) and a tablet combination, rather than a smartphone.

One SIM for your non-secure calls and SMS on your dumbphone (like bank accounts, social services etc.), and one SIM for non-secure 3G on your tablet (Internet browsing, VoIP services etc).

Both should be prepaid.

>>537350

> I meticulously disabled all Google Botnet sync and other botnet bullshit, has been phoning home to Cyanogenmod with a unique ID

>Cyanogenmod

>cant even be arsed to install REPLICANT

>>538940

Replicant has very limited RIL support, why would you recommend it someone for phoning purposes?

You really can't have a private phone, because most of the weaknesses are network level, not on the device.

Even a fully FLOSS handset would have to connect to the cellular network, which requires tracking to function. And the carrier has to be able to update your phone's baseband OS periodically to keep everything working. So they can still push code to your phone that you have to accept or end up with a useless device with no cell network connectivity. At that point is it still a "phone"?

You just reinvented the PDA without a cellular modem.

>>538665

>unironically defending the most proprietary computing platform

>>538956

because recommending anything nonfree software is offensive

>>538987

>because recommending anything nonfree software is offensive

>sacrificing core features of a phone for FOSS reasons

Literally why? You can't even have such a thing as "secure" phone, because all the phone traffic is centralized via phone operators, who are known to willingly cooperate wih alphabet soup agencies.

>>537350

Where was this sold? Over here it was marketed as Nokia N900.

>>539141

Because of all the reasons for free software that aren't security.

>>539167

OP specifically mentions "non-botnet phone", meaning he is mostly worried about personal security, though.

>>539157

It's not for sale yet, but: http://neo900.org/

It's not the same as a Nokia N900 but is heavily inspired by it. So much so that you will supposedly be able to buy a Neo900 motherboard and drop it in a Nokia N900 phone body to upgrade it.

>>537402

>>537446

>>537767

This shit reads interesting, a blog needs to be made&market2sell2normies

http://shop.goldelico.com/wiki.php?page=GTA04A5

Mobile phones by definition are botnet. There is simply no such thing as a non-botnet phone.

>>547005

Reminds me too much of the Purism Librem, Taurinus X200, etc.

Phones are so easy to track anyway. If you want a usable phone, you're better off buying an S5 or something and installing Cyanogen Mod.

>>537427

Will the phone still work?

>>538584

Not him, but iirc it's on their wikipedia page

>>538133

I bought a Mi4 LTE a few months ago. It came in broken. Bootloops out of the box. I'm still trying to get my money back through my credit card company.

Currently using a oneplus X. I consider it 100% botnet and refuse to share anything important over any phone.

>>547052

It'll work better than before, the only drawback is that you can't make phone calls anymore.

>>537432

*non botnet personal communicator

>>547045

so I can just plug this into my thinkpad and make phone calls like normal? what software do I use to make calls?

wireless hotspot+ VoIP master race

>>538170

The closest thing to non botnet you can get are either a phone running Replicant (FSF approved Android fork) or something like a CryptoPhone.

Even then you'll have to deal with the same issues regular phones have, since the networks themselves are compromised, from wiretaps to the fact that your phone can be downgraded to crackable encryption without your knowledge. Verizon even requires all newly activated phones on their network to have a GPS, and have even taken away people's phones for not upgrading to one with GPS built in.

(Source: https://archive.is/lmtPh)

You don't even need GPS to track a phone, the cell towers can guess your position. Just look how Google Maps and similar apps can guess your location without even turning on the GPS module, or how you can use "Network assisted" location tracking on your phone.

>>547136

I meant the phone part. So it would just be half-size tablet with Gentoo.

I know Ubuntu has a phone now. Could the drivers possibly be used in other distributions?

>>547200

my nigger