No.543703
Now that downloading Mint is too scary, what is the new babby's 1st distro champion?
No.543706
No.543723
No.543724
>>543706
>>543723
What about non ubuntu options?
Manjaro?
No.543730
oh my god mint is fine, enough with the FUD
No.543738
>>543706
>>543723
>run away from mint because wordpress scriptkiddies put up a backdoored iso for one day
>use a distro that's been designed to be backdoored for years
No.543755
No.543757
If you mean babby’s first GNU+Linux distribution, Debian.
If you mean babby’s first OS, Ubuntu.
No.543770
Xubuntu was always a better babby's 1st distro.
No.543771
>>543724
This. Don't listen to other plebs. You have to trust me OP.
No.543772
>>543757
absolutely retarded.
No.543789
>>543703
Mint is fine now, that shit could happen to any distro.
No.543798
>>543724
>Mint's devs understand jack shit about security
>where should we go instead?
>oh, let's go with a distro made by people who know even less about security!
>>543789
The problem was entirely due to their own incompetence. It also highlighted a number of other security issues they had. If they had made good choices, it wouldn't have happened.
The problem people have is not just the fact that it happened; (mostly) everyone realizes that the isos currently available don't have that particular backdoor. The problem is that it shows gross incompetence and lack of knowledge about basic security practices, which brings all other security-related aspects of their distro into question. If they failed at something so simple, how can we be sure there aren't other yet-unnoticed security flaws in their website? How can we be sure there aren't security flaws in Mint itself? They don't know what they're doing. The trust that had has been shattered, and it will take them great effort to rebuild it.
I do appreciate that they are actually trying to rebuild that trust.
No.543800
>>543789
Not to Gentoo :^) they sign their ebuild manifests with a key whose public part is available from sks-keyservers.
No.543843
>>543800
>using the smiley with the carat nose
No.543851
>>543703
>Mint is too scary
It should be a requirement to verify file signatures in order to install any distribution because mints fuckup proves just how quick someone would get a malformed iso.
No.543855
Every time I try to install a distro that only has a fucking GUI installer the screen is freezing and all the progress is fucked.
I literally have to use cli installer and you know what?
I fucking love it.
No.543856
I've been playing around with Debian. Are there any drawbacks of systemd? Is it something to even be concerned with as a new gnu/linux user?
Are there any security risks or is it just about accessibility? My second choice would have been Arch or Parabola.
No.543861
No.543862
>>543856
There is a holy war between old school init systems and systemd. The systemd camp praises its hugely increased functionality, the old school init camp thinks systemd is not trustworthy because it centralizes tons of system functions in one single project basically run by Red Hat Inc and that a lot of these functions are for normalfags using desktop Lunix and therefore not suitable for server Linux.
It really doesn't help that the systemd team has basically strong-armed the entire Linux community to bow down before them almost like Macrohard is doing with Botnet 10 and older Windows users, going as far as asking Linus Torvalds to approve kernel patches specifically for systemd features. To this day pretty much the one single distro that hasn't fallen for systemd is Gentoo (it still uses OpenRC by default).
No.543863
>>543703
>>543724
Ubuntu MATE
>unity
>ever
Even the ancient twm is much better than that piece of crap
No.543865
>>543862
I feel a strong inclination to install gentoo now out of respect for them.
No.543872
install arch you dumb fucks
sotp using this fucking gui shit
learn how to use your system
and understand how the fucking installer works you fucking tryhard neckbeards
No.543876
>>543856
>Are there any drawbacks of systemd
Don't base your opinions on herd mentality, But also don't let ideals hinder your *own* experience from discovering why its good or why its shit. Personally I dualboot arch/runit with Debian, because I want to learn to use something different without feeling like starting over.
>Is it something to even be concerned with as a new gnu/linux user?
Not at all, 99% of it is speculation. But functionality is entirely based on the user.
However always verify isos.
>Are there any security risks or is it just about accessibility?
Other then the spooky systemd audit anti-feature which Debian disabled by default so thats a plus
bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=773528
>My second choice would have been Arch or Parabola.
Learn how to crawl before you walk.
No.543878
No.543892
>>543863
>>543878
>MATE
Meme DE, use Xubuntu.
No.543907
>>543872
>arch
>babby's first distro
Most GNU/linux newfags will get scared off by the lack of an installer. And for the one in a million who doesn't get scared off, any n00b following the beginner's guide would just be copy/pasting the zsh commands without learning anything. It's much better to start off on a babby distro to get familiar with the UNIX-like filesystem and shell environment before moving on to Arch and beyond.
No.543912
Could try SliTaz. Sure, lack of packages for a lot of things, but it has potential. Lots of potential.
No.543913
>>543907
Debian in my opinion is the best distro for learning Linux. My college course used it back in 2010 when desktop Linux was already mature enough. Debian with an intermediate-level DE like MATE or XFCE is great because it's minimal enough to let you do stuff with basic system commands but still usable without in-depth technical knowledge.
However, if you want to learn Linux networking, the first step is to fucking uninstall network-manager. That program completely interferes with networking primitives like ifconfig, ifup or wpa_supplicant.
No.543917
I'd go with Debian testing. Sid if you want a rolling release. XFCE is a solid choice if you are coming from Windows. Fedora is a good if you want vanilla GNOME. Not if you want to carelessly update proprietary graphics drivers. If you want a minimal distro go with Arch. If you are a beginner who doesn't want systemd Manjaro has a openrc iso. If you want a minimal distro without systemd, go with Void Linux or Gentoo if you have spare time
No.544026
>babies first distro
>not just using what ever gets the job done
No.544048
No.544098
ubuntu with a windows xp theme for grandma and debian for everyone else.
No.544121
>>543703
Fedora should be noob distro
All you need to know is how to use dnf and add repos
No.544168
>>544102
I already have OSX, the best BSD
No.544169
No.544175
>>543913
>when desktop Linux was already mature enough
I like Linux as much as the next anon, but are you kidding? It's desktop isn't mature enough even now, in 2016.
No.544202
No.544206
>>543892
XFCE sucks monkey balls so STFU
No.544212
No.544237
>>543843
What else is there.
>inb4
:)
That doesn't convey the same message.
No.544240
>>543862
>To this day pretty much the one single distro that hasn't fallen for systemd is Gentoo (it still uses OpenRC by default).
What is
Without-systemd.org
OpenRC is the slowest of Systemd,Runit and OpenRC.
Runit is the best choice.
No.544241
No.544243
>>544102
Nice reply.
>>544168
Go get hog tied and thorn into >>>/oven/ .
No.544281
>>544241
Not requiring 10 million years to set up basic applications to make sure they work for what you need wine
Among other things I can't be bothered to explain to you.
No.544332
>>544175
It was already useable in 2011 if you were semi-skilled. Back in 2004 it wasn't even useable.
No.544334
>>544281
Please do go on, it would be nice to have a full understanding.
No.544344
>>544332
Pleb pls, it was doing just fine in 1999
No.544354
I'm currently on Linux Mint, I've installed it yesterday, it's really nice ! If you know how to check the .iso file with this PGP shit, you can trust the antizionist frenchies !
No.544355
>>543703
Arch. I've seen only noobs using that pile of crap.
No.544359
>>544334
>teehee I'm such an awesome troll
>my shitposting is trolling
Please, hang yourself at any time.
No.544364
No.544420
>>544206
Xfce does everything MATE can do any much, much more.
No.544447
>>544355
What's wrong with Arch?
No.544475
>>544420
Agreed, I like the customizations much better than mate. When you set up XFCE correctly it is extremely functional, lightweight, and beautiful.
No.544527
>>544447
Antergos and Manjaro are Arch based and they're pretty much babby's first distro; lots of packages that don't require a lot of manual configuration, almost completely visual, Chromium, etc. Tbh, they actually look quite good, but you'll never catch me using it because I already have Void Linux.
No.544597
Gentoo is for people who like to pretend they're hackers.
Arch is for people who don't miss even one episode of The Big Bang Theory.
Ubuntu is for clueless babbies.
Debian is for women.
Smart people use Mint, Xubuntu or one of Crunchbang's successors.
No.544624
>>543862
>To this day pretty much the one single distro that hasn't fallen for systemd is Gentoo (it still uses OpenRC by default).
What is Slackware?
>>544420
XFCE is the king of DEs. I tried MATE briefly, then uninstalled it to go back to XFCE. Never tried GNOME 3, and KDE 4 just has too much eyecandy for me. I've not used XFCE in a while, though, because I've adopted Window Maker.
No.544630
>>544597
>Mint
systemd
>Xubuntu
systemd, also it's fucking Ubuntu
>Crunchbang
some garbage i've never heard of, probably has systemd
No.544632
>>544597
Sheldon's favorite distro is Ubuntu you faggot
No.544638
Just download mint and checksum faggot
No.544647
>>544630
Systemd is the future. Deal with it, nerd.
>>544632
Butthurt arch user detected.
No.544666
>>544597
>ubuntu is for babby
>ubuntu with a different desktop environment is for Smart People Like Me(tm)
durr
No.544696
Malicious hacks can happen to anyone and you should forgive people when they get maliciously hacked and clean it up. No one can go through 1000s of line of code and be 100% certain that there is no errors in it (esp. when written by others, e.g. large numbers of volunteers, WordPress, PHPBB, etc.). Even to the UN, Sony and the FSF (please don't tell me you intend to stop using Hurd and Linux all together) as been maliciously hacked before.
http://www.webpronews.com/united-nations-hack-2012-02/ (https://archive.is/pFsAI)
http://cyberwarzone.com/united-nations-hacked/ (https://archive.is/eDok4)
http://www.cnet.com/news/fbi-malware-warning-follows-sony-hack/#! (https://archive.is/dh0f1)
http://www.geek.com/news/major-open-source-code-repository-hacked-for-months-says-fsf-551344/ (https://archive.is/WJTSy)
No.544715
What about government backdoors?
I tried to tell my friend that the government probably has databases already and know what you do, religion, etc.
But he just said citation needed
No.544732
No.544754
>>543703
>too scary
if anything with a new and sound security program in place Mint is a better choice now than before the hack.
No.544757
>>544647
Go shill systemdicks somewhere else lennart.
No.544760
>>543703
XUBUNTU NOW STOP ASKING.
>>543724
No. Don't suggest a arch.
No.544763
>>543771
GTFO. You like running unstable computers and dealing with crashes on a constant basis as a new linux user???
No.544764
>>544757
So you seem educated. What is wrong with sysd over sysv?
No.544785
>All these answers
>Not one mention of Void
While it isn't babbys first distro, if you can follow basic instructions then you can install Void and whatever DE suits you. Easier to setup than Gentoo or Slackware, no systemd, source based package manager.
No.544790
>>544785
>All these answers
>Not one mention of Void
>>While it isn't babbys first distro
>>543703
>Now that downloading Mint is too scary, what is the new babby's 1st distro
No.544802
>>544790
You have niggers ITT talking about Arch, Gentoo, and Slackware I'll shill what I want
No.544813
How is any workstation-oriented distro more or less difficult than another?
If it has a DE, it's fucking easy to use. If it doesn't have one, chances are that there's sufficient documentation to blindly follow it keystroke by keystroke and end up with a DE.
Difficulty doesn't define the baby's first trait.
But if you get a myriad of Ledditors installing Arch with i3 because it looks cool and posting rice on half/g/ is what the cool kids do, that can make a distro into a "Baby's first Distro".
Generally, Ubuntu/Mint is simply the distro shilled towards casual users who don't ever want to touch a command line and frankly would be better off with OS X / Windows, everything else is a meme warfare.
No.544824
>>544359
I know the chance of you or any believing me is in the negative.
I was try to start a proper discussion.
If I were trolling it would probably be more ad homoim based.
>hang yourself any time.
Top response.m
No.544825
>>544696
hownew.ru
That's not how sage is enabled.
Right output though.
No.544826
>>544763
Nice bait.
What year is it?
No.544828
>>544813
The whole point of moving away from Windows or OS X is because of privacy and security concerns. Of course most people don't want to move from something with more functionality read: it just werks, not I tweak it to make it werk to something with less. But sometimes your privacy/security/peace of mind is worth more than inconvenience.
No.544843
>>544828
Everyone i know who uses Linux either does it because our server stack at work executes smoothly on it and they don't have a Mac, or because they like to customize (read: rice the shit out of) their desktop and workflow and are generally interested in Linux because of gcc, vim and what have you.
I know absolutely no one who liked Windows / OS X and then said "well, privacy and security goes first, fuck all this, i'll install gentoo".
No.544844
No.544848
ITT: Morons thinking that swapping another DE on Ubuntu and calling it a dumb name like, "Linux Mint" or "Xubuntu" means it's a different distro because they're too lazy to install it via terminal (basically copy and paste three lines).
No.544866
>>544848
The Ubuntu DE flavors actually have different presets than their base DEs, for starters. The software assortment is also a fair bit different. Lubuntu for instance uses an entirely different package handler than the Ubuntu Software Center for instance.
No.544876
>>544843
>I know absolutely no one
Well that's your problem; you don't know them.
Personally I've never known anyone who wanted to move to Linux because they preferred the ease of use that came with Windows, but of course that's just an anecdote.
No.544890
>>544240
>OpenRC is the slowest of Systemd,Runit and OpenRC.
>Runit is the best choice.
How so? and which distros have Runit as default?
No.544899
>>544866
>using a different GUI-frontend for the package manager
That matters to people with an extreme phobia of the command line. Unless you're somehow too god damn stupid to type "sudo apt-get whatever" there is no reason to use them. They are slower and much less efficient than just using apt-get directly.
>different default settings on their DE
Unless you really like their defaults, and that's exactly what you want, that isn't much of a selling point. IMO they usually have shittier defaults than what the DEs have by default, and if you're going to be personalizing it then it'd usually be a better idea to start with the basic, less-pre-customized packages than it would be to start off with something that has already been modified.
*buntus generally have shorter life cycles than Ubuntu itself. Take, for example, Ubuntu 14.04, install Xfce on that, and you're good until April 2019. Go with Xubuntu, on the other hand, and you're only going to receive support until April 2017. People being recommended Xubuntu 14.04 now only have about a year of support remaining, while Ubuntu + Xfce would have three years of support. Kubuntu has 5 year support, so it isn't an issue there, but Lubuntu, Xubuntu, and Ubuntu GNOME only offer 3. Ubuntu MATE claimed to offer 5 years of support for their 14.04 release, but as far as I can tell have already dropped support for it since they became an official flavor in 2015.
No.544900
>>544848
Installing a different de on Ubuntu than what it came with is self suicide. It always fails. Pure garbage.
Better off reinstalling another time with the de you want.
No.544901
>>544899
>That matters to people with an extreme phobia of the command line. Unless you're somehow too god damn stupid to type "sudo apt-get whatever" there is no reason to use them. They are slower and much less efficient than just using apt-get directly.
It's nice having both. I browse software on the software manager because of screenshots descriptions and reviews. Then install in command line.
>*buntus generally have shorter life cycles than Ubuntu itself. Take, for example, Ubuntu 14.04, install Xfce on that, and you're good until April 2019. Go with Xubuntu, on the other hand, and you're only going to receive support until April 2017. People being recommended Xubuntu 14.04 now only have about a year of support remaining, while Ubuntu + Xfce would have three years of support. Kubuntu has 5 year support, so it isn't an issue there, but Lubuntu, Xubuntu, and Ubuntu GNOME only offer 3. Ubuntu MATE claimed to offer 5 years of support for their 14.04 release, but as far as I can tell have already dropped support for it since they became an official flavor in 2015.
Good point however the pain in the ass that it is to make this work is not worth it. If I'm going to spend all that time customizing Ubuntu, I'd rather do that in some distro like arch. Plus how long do you really intend to keep an OS running? Years? Maybe 6 months to a year will pass before a new version or distro comes out that you would want to install.
No.544902
>>544900
I haven't used Ucuntu in a long time, but last time I used it (2013?) I remember switching DEs just fine. Maybe the repo you're using is shit?
No.544903
>>544902
Could have been. I just remember spending way too much time fixing issues for it to be worth it.
No.544922
>>544901
> Plus how long do you really intend to keep an OS running? Years?
Different anon but yes, personally LTS versions are higher priority for me.
>Maybe 6 months to a year will pass before a new version or distro comes out that you would want to install.
I'm currently content with a distro I'm running, based on ubuntu14.04. Unfortunately it is from a smaller team, so their end of life cycle for a series is about 2 years, with upgrades at about 6 months interval.
So in april, I have a decision on whether to try xubuntu 16.04, or try my current distro's next series. If the next xubuntu LTS is as good as the previews promises, I might switch. But I don't necessarily enjoy distro hopping for it's own sake. Ideally once I find the distro that is a perfect to near perfect fit for me, I want at least 3 preferably 5 years out of it. Because although I'm now more comfortable with linux, and the basic installation and hardware support for linux has come a long way. Well at least I've had good luck with it so far it seems.
It still takes time for me to set up some things after an install, assuming everything went smooth. I've been lucky so far, but there is no guarantee. I need time if I have to adjust certain things, I need time to find out -how- to adjust certain things if it's different from what I've learned before. A new install will take time away from me, time that I'd rather not spend every 6 months if I can help it.
TL;DR: My main use of an OS is for using the programs on it, whether that's for productivity or leisure. Setting up and installing it, even if linux has improved on that front. It's still something of a chore for me, maybe not for others who enjoy the process. But for me, I just want to set up an OS to work as fast and as hassle free as possible, so I can get on my way with other things.
No.544944
>>544890
>How so?
It's code base is smaller.
It is designed to only do the things that a init is supposed to do, nothing more nothing less.
>...which distros have Runit as default?
The main one that most of /tech/ would be aware of is Void.
The major issue would probably be that it's still stuck on GPGv1. Hopefully I can change that soonish.
I'm aware of others but have forogttern the names.
If I remember correcrly I learnt about the others in a Wikipedia page.
No.544965
>>544901
>I browse software on the software manager because of screenshots descriptions and reviews
I can see how that would be nice. That didn't occur to me; I typically use my web browser to view screenshots, reviews, and other information about a program if I need to.
>how long do you really intend to keep an OS running?
Assuming that it works well and does what I need it to, and has all of the software I need at a recent enough version, as long as I possibly can. When something works, is stable, and set up exactly how I like it, I like to keep it that way. A 3 year support period is long enough for my needs, but I know a lot of people like keeping a system running much longer than that. (Although for someone just installing it now, that "3 year" support period will only last them about a year). For some people, even 5 years is not enough; there are plenty of people still running Windows XP, because it's stable (by Windows standards) and works well enough for them. Some people are hesitant to upgrade when what they have works fine, even if what they have is over a decade out of date.
>>544900
>>544902
Did you "apt-get purge unity*" or something? There are some important non-Unity things that will break if you remove Unity completely (the version of GDM used in Ubuntu depends on a part of Unity, for example), so you need to be careful and only remove particular packages and leave in some of them. Some people recommend just leaving Unity installed and ignoring it, just because of how many things it is integrated with and how much shit breaks if you purge it completely.
Ubunty should add a minimal (no DE/WM) option to its installer. That would be nice, so then people wouldn't need to go through the hassle of removing Unity if they want something else and don't want to go with a flavor. But then I guess they'd need to deal with morons who clicked "Minimal Install - WARNING: Don't Pick This Unless You Know Exactly What You Are Doing" without knowing what it would do. I doubt they want another "Ubuntu ruined this young woman's life" fiasco on their hands.
No.544986
In my view, "babby's first" is a short phase and shouldn't decide your distro over the long term. If you want tutorial mode, install whatever in a VM.
No.544999
>>544965
>I doubt they want another "Ubuntu ruined this young woman's life" fiasco on their hands.
From what I remember from that webum, most of the clusterfuck came from Dell. Ok the woman probably should have made sure that she chose the windows version because that was the best fit for her her situation.
But Dell should not have told her "yeah ubuntu is just as good no problem", that's not what the customer needed. Dell could have avoided the unhappy customer situation by just going alright lady, we're making a one time only exception in the name of good customer support, and we'll mail you a windows DVD\USB\download code. The problem wasn't with ubuntu in this case IMO, it was with the merchant.
And the talking heads imblying that ubuntu is some kind of counterfeit version of windows. Fuck their vacuous smiling ignorance, and their whole action news team, including Jim on Chopper5.
No.545006
>>543724
The answer is no. Manjaro is made by whiny stupid kids.
No.545007
No.545008
>>544281
>there's a lot you uneducated plebeian just trust me
No.545009
No.545010
>>544355
Gay bait, although I agree in the sense that Arch isn't hard to use at all and should really not be that much of a problem for newbies.
No.545031
No.545039
>>544999
I bet she uses Gentoo now!
Kek.. Or at least itd be good if suddenly she realised her laptop didn't crash and how all she needed to do was use her package manager to update and it took just a few seconds unlike the 3 hours and 20 restarts that windows takes.
I'd love it if she actually dug in and got herself into linux.
No.545071
>>543703
https://youtu.be/IUdk7OOdBJw
MX-15
Deb based
Has easy to use everything
I'm a nub to linux, and I love it.
Its shit with flash media, advise downloading YT/other and using VLC/other to play it.
No.545088
>>544965
>Ubunty should add a minimal (no DE/WM) option to its installer
Or you know, stop using Unity as the default DE? Everyone fucking hates Unity. How is it the default on the most popular distro?
No.545103
>>545088
After developing it for 6 years and spending a shitload of time and effort writing a tailored display server for it? I don't think so.
No.545109
>>545006
Their menda dark xfce theme is pretty nice. I use it in xfce now.
Other than that, it's like a poorly supported Ubuntu version of arch.
Also, they make a bunch of decisions for you with their hardware management system, mhwd, that are really difficult to deal with. This especially prevalent when trying to deal with xorg configs or display drivers. If you are stuck with something like Nvidia Optimus, good luck!
No.545160
No.545220
>>543724
I've been using their KDE version for a few months and the desktop environment frequently spazzes out. It also fails to load properly forcing me to log out and back in to reset it. Installing from the AUR can also take for fucking ever. Manjaro would leave a very bad first impression on a normie.
No.545260
No.545385
>>545088
>>545103
I really couldn't give a fuck about unity on the desktop.
unity on the mobile with a locked system partition really fucking pisses me off.
No.545393
>>545109
Bullshit, Manjaro with optimus worked straight away after using mhwd.
I only went back to Arch because I felt like a heretic.
No.545414
>>545109
Bullshit, Manjaro with optimus worked straight away after using mhwd.
I only went back to Arch because I felt like a heretic.
No.545841
>>543703
Mint XFCE or Xubuntu
No.545842
>>543892
>meme DE
What the fuck does that even mean?
No.545844
>>543703
Just do an MD5 check.
No.545854
>>543862
I have no problem with SystemD, just the way they've shoehorned it into everything. People should be free to choose the init system they want.
I personally have no problem with SystemD and have found some of the features it brings to the table useful. This is not for everyone and it should be opt-in, not forced by RedKike.
Gentoo has it right, you are not forced to use it, but the option exists if you want/need it.
>>543872
This is a babby's first distro topic, not a "my autism distro is better than your autism distro!!!!1111 " topic.
No.545868
No.545872
No.545924
>>545844
>fucking md5
>Not GPG or a way stronger checksum. E.g. sha256
No.548887
No.548951
>>543862
>strong-armed the entire Linux community to bow down before them
fuck off, maintainers are adopting it because it works and is better than all the other options.
The bigoted hatred of systemd on this board really exposes the autism
No.548953
>>543862
>strong-armed the entire Linux community to bow down before them
fuck off, maintainers are adopting it because it fucking works and is superior to the other options.
The bigoted hatred of systemd on this board really screams autism