No.543884
http://forum.palemoon.org/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=11529
What will Furry Moon users do now when they have soon no home anymore?
Also, new browser plans when they are also unable to implement Promises on their own?
Pale moon is officially done!
No.543889
>>543884
>Pale moon is officially done!
Go back to SJWzilla and suck progressive cock if you want to.
The developers want to know what the community wants, that's better than anything Mozilla has done in the last 5 years.
No.543891
What a gigantic waste of time and energy
No.543901
Wow, it's almost like all the people who were shitting on Pale Moon were right.
Where's the faggot from the Pale Moon forums who loves to come here and damage control for the furry now?
No.543919
>>543884
I guess there's nothing for it but to return to the sjwfox botnet then, chrome-copy UI and webextensions and all.
All browsers suck, but palemoon really did suck less.
No.543922
>Devs trying to actually solve issues
>Devs trying to seek community's input on how the project should be done going forward
>PALE MOON IS OFFICIALLY DONE, WE SHOWED YOU!!!111!!11!1!
The presence of /g/ is strong in this thread. Learn some reading comprehension, you stupid fucks. They aren't closing the project down.
No.543924
>>543922
>being this much of a pale moon tard
what are they going to do when multi process and web extensions hit?
the writing was on the wall for a long time.
No.543925
>>543911
JOSH DID NOTHING WRONG
No.543926
>>543922
His proposal is just kicking the can further down the line. He failed forking 24, it became too much effort, so he wants to go a few versions ahead and have the same thing happen. Especially with monster efforts like sandbox and servo in the pipeline that he couldn't hope to include.
No.543927
>>543884
Palemoon does everything I need it to. I don't need or want modern features. I have seperate installations of Icecat and Iridium for such things. Hell I could get by using Dillo but Palemoon is much more customizable.
No.543935
>>543927
>Palemoon does everything I need it to.
No.543941
ITS
NOT
FREE
SOFTWARE
STOP GIVING A SHIT ABOUT THESE FURRY FAGGOTS
No.543943
>>543941
Fuck off and die.
No.543944
>>543943
kill yourself cuck furfag
No.543945
>>543944
Choke on some sulfuric acid, autist.
No.543946
There's always Seamonkey at least. It's not cool enough for the hipsters at Mozilla to touch, so it should be fine.
No.543947
>>543945
are you upset someone pointed out an uncomfortable fact in your shill thread?
https://www.palemoon.org/redist.shtml nonfree
No.543949
>>543947
No, I just want the sperg to choke on some sulfuric acid simply because no one wants to see sperg-outs. Couldn't care less if the software was non-free.
No.543953
glad I don't have autism and use a real browser.
No.543956
>>543946
Just downloaded seamonkey, it is actually better than palemoon in my book!
Thanks for the pointer.
No.543957
>>543953
what do you consider a real browser? google chrome?
No.543959
>Mind you, Pale Moon would still remain to be Pale Moon and nothing drastic will change short-term; this is a long-term planning idea that will involve a lot of work if launched and will be given shape alongside our current efforts.
I guess this is what happens nowadays when you're open with users and want constructive feedback. People misread it as a sign of disaster jumping at the chance of sharing bad news.
I'm starting to lose interest in the project after initially being an ardent supporter as it was keeping the old spirit of what the Mozilla community was about alive. The only reason why he's thinking of redoing Pale Moon with a later version of Firefox is because of compiling issues with Visual Studio, the Windows centric development is a huge turn off.
>>543947
Yeah, nonfree in the same sense that Firefox branding is nonfree.
>our branding included in the source tree is protected and you are not granted any rights or licenses to the Pale Moon name, logo, or other identifying official branding marks, names or phrases
Go ahead and make GNUmoon or Icemoon with creative common licensed assets using the same source code if this bothers you so much.
No.543962
>>543957
What's wrong with chrome?
No.543984
>>543962
It's a bloatware chromium and doesn't run on x86-32
No.543997
>>543924
>what are they going to do when multi process and web extensions hit?
This is something I don't get. I just want a stable browser I can leave running for days at a time and not have too many issues with or memory use bloating to insane amounts. I can't imagine that most PM users care much about multi process or web extensions as if they did they'd be using Chrome already.
As far as I'm concerned browsers have reached their apex in evolutionary form from a user interface and extensibility standpoint. If you want the browser 2.0 that is made to do everything using HTML5 with displaying old fashioned HTML added in as an afterthought then have fun in whatever has the highest market share at moment.
For Palemoon I think their biggest problem is addons and it's not an issue they'll be able to fix. I've looked into taking old firefox addons and making them work for Palemoon or just changing them slightly and it's a god damn nightmare, your typical user who never opened about:config won't stand a chance of contributing meaningfully to this project. When Firefox had almost half a billion users a few tens of thousands of them were competent and capable of making addons. When you have less than a million users there's no incentive at all for these people to bother with your browser.
No.543998
>>543962
Nothing. You like Chrome, this implies you're very active on Facebook and Twitter and use tons of social apps on your smartphone. Please keep using it, never leave the attention whoring media, and stay away from 8ch.
No.544002
>>543884
ANTI-JOSH FAGS ON SUICIDE WATCH
JOSH WAS RIGHT AGAAAINNN
No.544027
>>543884
>Just spent yesterday and today wrestling with a segfaulting Palemoon to try and get out of having to use Firefox
>Finally get it working
>This comes out
I guess I'll just use this for a while while things smooth over. Mainline Firefox is one of the worst pieces of software I've ever used, and I have no desire to ever use it again after the very brief stint I was forced to.
Why can't we have nice things, /tech/?
No.544034
>>544002
Even a broken clock is right twice a day, anon. Just because he was right doesn't stop him from being a massive faggot.
No.544039
>officially done
autism is strong with this one
>>543947
You are a massive faggot, please contract rectal cancer.
No.544040
So /tech/, Pale Moon user here, but willing to change. What non-chromium, botnet- and sjw-free browser should I be using?
No.544043
Servo is our final hope for a successor to Firefox.
No.544044
No.544045
No.544053
No.544063
>>544043
Is Servo actually any good? Looks pretty SJW-tier to me, it's even written in Mozilla's shitty language Rust
>>544044
>>544053
>text-based browsers
I think you've got your fedora on a little too tight
No.544065
>>543884
>it's a Joshua Connor Moon thread
wew
>>543941
>>543947
Nobody cares, autismo.
>>543984
>bloatware meme
Try having more than 4MB of RAM in 2016, kid.
>>543959
>Visual Studio, the Windows centric development is a huge turn off.
How dare a free developer use a development tool he prefers instead of sticking to some meme a mongolian goat farming board circlejerks about this is a tragedy
>>543998
>using browser x totally means you do all this other completely unrelated shit
Consider suicide.
>>544040
Internet Explorer 6
No.544069
>>544063
>qutebrowser is a textbased browser
Nigger what?
No.544075
>>544069
Shit, I googled it, saw "vim-like" and automatically assumed it was text-based. There are so many of them I can never remember which ones are and aren't
No.544077
SEAMONKEY BEST BROWSER FUCK OFF MOZILLA NETSCAPE WILL RISE AGAIN
No.544078
Really, the only thing keeping me from jumping ship to qupzilla or midori or anything like the fact that only firefox-forks have add-ons that can block javascript.
No.544080
No.544096
>>544080
>>544077
Looks intriguing. How fast is it compared with Pale Moon? Also, does it support Firefox addons? I would look this stuff up, but I'm on mobile and too lazy
No.544107
>Mind you, Pale Moon would still remain to be Pale Moon and nothing drastic will change short-term; this is a long-term planning idea that will involve a lot of work if launched and will be given shape alongside our current efforts.
Wow, it's fucking nothing.
No.544114
>>544107
They're being paid by sjwzilla to shill and troll here.
No.544116
>>544096
It's like an old Firefox with email and chat built in. Sites load fine but you can't drag out tabs into new windows. Most addons seem to work.
No.544122
>>544116
Thanks, I'll give it a try
No.544129
>>543884
>Be more compatible with Windows 8.1 and 10.
No.544131
>>544107
>entire project has to be scrapped and started a new
>nothing
No.544156
>>544116
>>544122
There are also themes that make it look like it's 1999 again, which is a plus.
No.544162
>>544107
>long term planning for shit that has already been deprecated
Forking a later version would just be kicking the can off the pier. They don't have the resources and will have who knows how many security vulnerabilities as Firefox diverges further and further.
Further, they won't be getting the most important security fixes when Firefox phases out XUL, implements the sandbox, and finally integrates parts of servo.
It's a shitty situation for them.
No.544167
>>543935
Correction
Does everything I want it to
No.544171
>>543911
JOSH IS A SPASTIC
No.544172
Pale Moon was never good. Install GNU IceCat.
No.544174
>>544156
link it?
>>544172
>Icecat
>good
No.544177
>>544174
Whole hell of a lot better than "this plugin is incompatible" Moon.
No.544178
>>544177
rather have that then sites that don't even run correctly especially ones important for me
No.544179
>>544178
I have since moved from palemoon and had neither of these problems. Ever. Even on bank sites. Until recently on my laptop and had to remove it there too.
I think it's mainly the sites. If you spoof your user-agent most things just werk. The ones that don't are workable.
No.544185
>>544178
>about:config
>set require_safe_negotiation to false
>enjoy shit security
wow that was hard
No.544195
>>544185
hey i gotta do my shit somehow, and if i have to disable a security feature then its a shit browser
>inb4 JUST TURN IT BACK ON XDDDD
having to do this everytime is a bit of a inconvenience
No.544213
What's wrong with Qutebrowser? I've been happy with it for about a year now.
No.544225
>>544040
xombrero.
if you can stomach webkit.
No.544234
I gave it a chance, but palemoon just doesn't function properly. I can't remember the last time I used such an unstable browser. A lot f plug-ins don't want to work for it either.
No.544247
>>544065
The only way to be shure that >>543998 is dead is to throw the body into >>>/oven/ .
It would be better just to throw them in live.
>IE6
Here is your reply.
No.544248
>>544078
Anon.....
Qupzilla has a built in adblocker as well as javascript support as well I belive.
No.544249
>>544063
>Is Servo actually any good? Looks pretty SJW-tier to me, it's even written in Mozilla's shitty language Rust
Holy shit can you stop with the buzzwords. It is good and Rust is not a shitty language, stop believing /tech/ memes for fucks sake.
No.544252
>>544195
You missed the point. GNU IceCat is tweaked for security. Disable some of these tweaks and you basically have Firefox or Palemoon.
No.544253
>>544195
>what is a separate tool for different tasks.
Have one profile for insecure stuff and another for secure stuff done.
No.544258
>>544225
>Implying Do Not Track is worth anything.
No.544272
Pale moon has horrible memory management, otherwise its great.
No.544468
maybe they should do a kikestarter.
also >vNext
No.544593
>>544065
>not caring about free software
take that GNU flag off and kill yourselfs
No.544605
I told Pale Moon tards this would happen months ago but >muh josh boogeyman
Autistic people should be gassed.
No.544622
>>544027
Same here.
>>Use Light but latest version doesnot work with DTA
>>Download Palemoon
>>Import bookmarks and install extensions
>>Try various websites
>>It just werks
>>Open /tech/ to post in a browser war thread
>>Read this
No.544633
>>543962
webkit is horrendous
No.544688
No.544717
M E E M S O F T W A R E
E
E
M
S
O
F
T
W
A
R
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No.544719
No.544727
>>544717
Go back to /b/, kid.
No.544733
>>544727
meme software is software that respects the user's four memes.
1. anime torvalds
2. no systemd (yuck!)
3. I am a cool hacker for installing these packages.
4. gay furry porn.
No.544742
I rather suck SJWzillas titties instead of using ShameMoon.
First: Their fucking Website uses Cloudflare
Oh wait that's all.
Go fuck yourself Palemoon.
inb4 8ch also uses cf ;)))))))
Yeah, but 8ch doesn't fucking requuire a captcha to view shitty content.
No.544808
No.544853
>>544742
>I rather suck SJWzillas titties instead of using ShameMoon.
Firefox hello, firefox pocket, web rtc, depreciation of addons and thunderbird (which originally made it better), selling out users over money. Those aren't tits your sucking, its a big black cum stained cock.
>First: Their fucking Website uses Cloudflare
First and only argument that has no foundation as to how cloudflare is worse than firefox which by comparison, id use nginx (which cloundflare gets its backend from) over something that depreciates 99% of actual good things over the "its $current_year" trump card. (Firefox).
>Yeah, but 8ch doesn't fucking requuire a captcha to view shitty content.
Maybe if script kiddies would stop fucking abusing tor with the "cuz I can and no one can stop me xDDD" and get buttmad when they are cock blocked from sites they abused. Then most of tor wouldn't be blocked to oblivion. But we all know that will never happen.
No.545054
>>543997
> I can't imagine that most PM users care much about multi process or web extensions as if they did they'd be using Chrome already.
Have you ever used Firefox with e10s? If you haven't, you're just speaking out of your ass. I've been a PM user several years ago when it was still updated based on stable releases of FF and was actually faster, after switching to ESR it started getting increasingly more slow in comparison to the latest FF because of the deprecated engine, so I switched back. However after ~v37 FF has become unbearably slow and choppy, but then v40 hit Aurora and e10s came along. I've been using it ever since and it has been by far the smoothest browsing experience I've ever had. Also I would never use Chrome, because even with all the botnet paranoia aside it's just a really shitty browser.
As for webextensions, it's still too early to say how they'll turn out, but XUL deprecation aside support of Chrome addons is a good thing, if anything, the period when both standards are supported might just become the golden age of FF customization, plus it's the only way a move towards Servo can be made.
No.545055
ITS
NOT
FREE
SOFTWARE
STOP GIVING A SHIT ABOUT THESE FURRY FAGGOTS
No.545056
Why is it always Cuckold Moon that gets shilled and not Cyberfox or Waterfox?
No.545057
>>545054
> if anything, the period when both standards are supported might just become the golden age of FF customization
everyone should move to webkit.
I'm holding out hope Vivaldi will be the new old Opera by the time it reaches 1.0.
No.545058
All you ricers need to get on the qutebrowser/dwb train!
Fuck big bloated web browsers, get a browser thats quick, easy to control, and doesn't require clicking round in clunky menus. No more worrying about addons, no more worrying whether or not something is dialing home. Get a free, open source program where you can look at the source code, compiles in ten seconds..come onnnn
come onnnnnnnnnnnn
come onnnnn
No.545059
>>545058
>No more worrying about addons...
Can it block ads? Can you make it run only white listed JS?
No.545060
>>545057
>everyone should move to webkit.
You do realize that Webkit is a shitty deprecated fork of KHTML for flaming homosexuals which has been forked by Google into Blink, right?
>I'm holding out hope Vivaldi will be the new old Opera by the time it reaches 1.0.
Yes, Vivaldi is my backup browser too, but I've got serious privacy concerns about it.
No.545061
>>545060
>You do realize that Webkit is a shitty deprecated fork of KHTML for flaming homosexuals which has been forked by Google into Blink, right?
as opposed to?
No.545062
>>545061
Servo is the way of the future, bro.
No.545064
>>545059
:adblock-update
that removes ads on qutebrowser, pretty sure you can whitelist stuff as well, but i never do that.
No.545065
>>545055
It's about as free as Firefox. The trademarks aren't that important.
No.545067
>>545061
Gecko is both perfectly fine and infinitely more extensible than webkit.
No.545074
No.545107
>>543946
>Seamonkey
Can I export my Firefox add-ons in Seamonkey?
No.545113
No.545139
>>543884
Yeah, I dropped that thing in an instant after that update, what a shit engine. Switched to Cyberfox and I'm fine with it. Tired of the search for the safest browser, this works.
No.545146
>>545055
Fuck off, communist.
No.545162
>>544156
>grippies
I love them
No.545210
>>545074
>>543946
>>543956
>>544077
>>544080
I'm kinda starting to see consensus on using Seamonkey, but how often do they update it and how secure it is compared to Firefox?
Also, Seamonkey is also a SJWzilla Foundation project. How long before they notice that Seamonkey is (once again) starting to become the cool browser among the tech crowd and they start making you pay for it with your personal data?
>tfw I used Mozilla a good 2-3 years before Firefox was launched
No.545242
>>545056
Because there isn't even really much of a difference between those two and SJWzilla. Very small differences are the only things that separate them from SJWzilla. Most of the "major" differences are just the ways they're compiled. They aren't even really forks. You're essentially just using SJWzilla "optimized" for "modern" processors.
Sage for not wanting to bump this FUD any more.
No.545490
>>545146
>not liking restrictive trademarks in free software is endorsement of communism
No.545503
>>545490
>trademarks having anything to do with copyright
No.545528
>>544002
again? when was the first time?
No.545632
>>545242
Cyberfox does a few privacy fixes, so it's always a better choice than plain vanilla firefox.
No.545638
>>545210
Securitywise, I don't know. Its not updated too frequently and it doesn't come with "Hello" or anything. It does support sync, but it won't ask you about it.
No.545646
>>543884
>asking people what to do because forking failed
LOLOLOL PALE MOON DEAD!
I'm done with /tech/
No.545690
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>>545646
People have to be interested in keeping it alive to want to fork it.
Everyone here just freeloads off other people's work and complains when something they don't like happens to it.
It's almost disheartening, really; you'd expect people who tout free & open source to contribute to the idea.
No.545701
>>545690
Millennials will millennial.
No.545707
>>544252
There's Abrowser for that, the default Trisquel browser, it's like IceCat for normies.
No.545871
>>545632
Like I said, very small differences. You can easily download SJWzilla and do those "fixes" yourself. I get what you're trying to say though, anon. I do. It's just that it isn't really worth being called something else when there isn't really much of a difference other than how it's compiled and what machines have better support.
No.546112
No.546127
>>545067
Then why is webkit more popular?
No.546131
No.546134
>>543889
>it's firefox but shittier, and we hate SJWs!
nah I'll stick with firefox, it's not like I'm paying them or anything
No.546165
>>546134
Switch to seamonkey and uninstall thunderbird.
No.546189
No.547198
So, if one was to install seamonkey, how the hell do you install addons that are supposedly incompatible, like greasemonkey?
No.547199
>>547198
never mind, I'm retarded.
No.547206
>>544040
GNU Icecat or Firefox with some settings changed and no EME. basically firefox is the best full fledged browser, but it has a lot of stupid defaults settings that you can just change.
>>545210
it has the same layout engine as Firefox. i don't like it because why the hell would i need an email client and an IRC client in my browser? no idea how well they keep up with security updates either. dunno how good the addon compatibility is either
No.547213
>>545061
>but it has a lot of stupid defaults settings that you can just change
Not all stupid settings can be "just changed", for example default FF doesn't even have PGO enabled by default and that needs to be done at compilation. Same thing will be true for disabling extension signing enforcement after the next update.
No.547242
>>546134
>shittier
Enjoying that chrome-copy UI and useless Web 3.0 bloat, kiddo?
No.547243
>>547213
PM is still the browser choice #1 for Windows. I just hope they won't support asmjs or other attack vectors/DRM. That said Goanna is more smoother than their old layout engine and this browser is not nearly unusable as it is now.
this post is nonsensical because i'm too lazy to edit it
No.547245
>>547242
>Enjoying that chrome-copy UI
yes, actually. australis is pretty good with some custom css.
>Web 3.0 bloat
le ebin buzzword XDD :^)