No.545795
Top kek. MATE is fucking cancer. Caja is a shit file browser, its software packages aren't anything special, it has terrible support for multiple displays, and now its trying its best to imitate the worst DE out. If you're thinking of trying out GAHNOOSLESHLOONUX. Do yourself a favor and use Cinnamon or XFCE. Don't exposes yourself to this cancer.
http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/03/ubuntu-mate-16-04-client-side-decoration
No.545804
Do yourself a favor and stop using cancerbuntu.
Start using something real.
Install Gentoo faggot
No.545814
>>545804
>Gentoo
not very liberating
No.545828
>>545804
Debian is realistically the best balance of form and function. Fite me irl gaiboi.
No.545847
BETTER THAN GNOME TILL THE COWS COME HOME BETTER THAN GNOME TILL IM BALD ON MY DOME BETTER THAN GNOME TILL MY BALD DOME NEEDS A COMB BETTER THAN GNOME TILL FARMERS TEND CHENOBYL'S LOAM BETTER THAN GNOME TILL CANCER CURES ARE SHOWN BETTER THAN GNOME TILL THE MOON IS MADE OF FOAM BETTER THAN GNOME TILL MAN YIELDS EARTH TO DRONE BETTER THAN GNOME TILL PALE MOON REPLACES CHROME BETTER THAN GNOME TILL VLC HASN'T A CONE BETTER THAN GNOME TILL ENGLAND SACKS THE THRONE
AND WHEN ALL THESE THINGS HAPPEN IT WILL STILL BE BETTER THAN GNOME
No.545873
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>>545795
>Caja is a shit file browser
Not really, it gets the job done.
>its software packages aren't anything special
So what? If you want "special" there are other options.
No.545876
MATE is one of the few acceptable Linux DEs.
It doesn't matter whatever bullshit Ubuntu is trying to accomplish with it as long as it stays contained in Ubuntu.
What is Ubuntu honestly beside a Debian desktop with 500MB footprint of useless background Python crap.
No.545880
No.545884
>>545795
>They took forked GNOME 2 and made it look like Unity
>Instead of making it look like GNOME 2
If you're not going to use it like Unity, just use fucking Unity.
>GNOME 2 is fucking cancer.
>Use GNOME 3 instead
GNOME and all of its forks are cancer, don't kid yourself.
No.545890
>>545847
>>545884
Who the fuck is advocating Gnome? Gnome 3 is terrible, and MATE is just Gnome2 (read dated trash) and now they're just adding lame Unity features to "modernize" it.
>>545873
Its [CurrentYear]. "gets the job done" is shit. If you're using Caja its because it came with your distro and you're too stupid to change it.
No.545893
>>545890
Caja browses files, what else do you want file browsers to do?
No.545897
>>545795
>ubuntu MATE team makes MATE look like unity on their distro
>it's MATE's fault
Are you retarded?
No.545899
>>545893
Use Dolphin(the only good part of KDE) or Nemo for a day and then we can have this conversation.
No.545902
>>545899
>Dolphin
Depends On : baloo-widgets knewstuff kio-extras kactivities kuiserver
and you didn't answer my question.
No.545903
>>545893
Nothing it's just an efficient and full-featured program perfect for the task.
But I guess logging your every file operation to your twitter friends is not part of the feature set, which clearly makes it unfit software for the current decade.
>>545899
OK you have to tell me what's so great about Dolphin, because I honestly didn't notice.
No.545906
This actually looks pretty good
I can finally have a nice DE that occupy less screen space and dont consume 2gb of memory
No.545907
>>545903
Dolphin has a million features, but if MATE users wanted a million features they would install KDE and not MATE.
No.545908
>>545795
That's just a theme with a dock and my multimonitor setup works just fine. Also, caja does its job and doesn't get in your way, so I see nothing wrong here.
No.545944
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>>545890
You, nigga.
>Do yourself a favor and use Cinnamon or XFCE.
>Do yourself a favor and use Cinnamon[...]
>Cinnamon
>Not a GNOME fork
>Not GNOME 3 with a slightly more usable interface
Just stop using GNOME shit altogether, you doughnut.
No.545946
MATE has an active dev community. The rest are too bloated, buggy, or badly designed.
No.545976
Caja is the only reason I use MATE
No.545977
Use i3.
It's simply superior, combined with xfce4-terminal, compton and a nice lookign configuration.
Fuck all this DE shit, I want to hotkey the fuck out of my system.
No.545979
>Do yourself a favor and use Cinnamon
You were doing well until you recommended an even more hilariously crippled DE than MATE. They're both crap.
No.545981
>>545873
This image is actually a little outdated now. I wish someone would do this assessment again with the new versions of stuff.
No.545982
>>545893
The ability to view directory listing as an editable address would be nice. Some tabbing shortcuts like ctrl-pgup/pgdn to cycle through tabs would be nice. Being able to adjust the viewable information more would be nice. Being able to set how large an image file can be for thumbnail display would be nice.
Caja is just barebones as fuck and missing essential functionality.
No.545984
>>545899
Dolphin's clickable directory nodes is fucking nice. I wish other file browsers had that. Shame the layout isn't very customizable though, I don't like that too much.
No.545986
>>545982
>ability to view directory listing as an editable address would be nice
>able to set how large an image file can be for thumbnail display would be nice
Im using MATE now and Caja do have those functionalities
No.545988
IIRC that's just an optional theme that they made for people who like Unity. What's wrong?
No.545989
>>545988
/tech/ can actually be full of retards sometimes
No.546005
>>545986
Must be new I guess. I checked it out a few months ago trying to evaluate features and I didn't write down those.
No.546006
>>545795
>Ubuntu Mate
Why didn't they call it Mubuntu?
If they stick with Ubuntu Mate they should rename Kubuntu "Ubuntu KDE" and Xubuntu "Ubuntu Xfce" to stay consistent. It is more descriptive anyway.
No.546013
>MATE is fucking cancer
>use CInnamon
No.546058
>>546006
>Xubuntu
>Kubuntu
>Gubuntu
>Mubuntu
No.546060
>mutiny
It's a nice name, seeing as how there would be a mutiny if it became the default. In all honesty, having a side panel isn't that bad; it's the sole thing in Unity I like. The top panel is not very useful, and fairly annoying, but it's far from the worst aspect of Unity. Seeing as how these are the only two things it's taking from Unity, I don't think it's that bad. I just don't see the use case; people who want the Unity look would likely just use Unity, and the ones who want a sidebar on MATE could easily mock it up. It seems like it's just a waste of time, and all it will do is piss off the sort of people who utterly despise Unity; which I would assume is the majority of Ubuntu MATE's user base, seeing as how MATE is the "I hate everything about GNOME3" DE and Unity is just GNOME3 but worse.
>>546006
I think they named themselves Ubuntu MATE in reference to Ubuntu GNOME, because of MATE's relationship with GNOME. Ubuntu GNOME was named like that instead of Gubuntu to avoid confusion with Goobuntu.
No.546080
>>545795
wew, I am so confused
>caja is a file browser, but apparently also contains packages, and is responsible for handling displays
or
>caja is a file browser, but apparently MATE contains pacakges?
your knowledge of linux is so limited, please stay away.
No.546082
also
>having MATE setup like Unity
you are cancer no. 1
No.546089
>>546082
That's a teaser image released by the Ubuntu MATE developers, showing off their optional new Mutiny layout, not a screenshot of OP's setup.
No.546105
>>546080
>>546082
>reading comprehension this bad.
No.546107
>>545884
Thats Ubuntu, MATE looks like (and is) Gnome 2 on every other distribution. Ubuntu just takes things and buttfucks them into submission.
No.546136
Can I play this game too?
>Cinnamon
>Cinnamon Maximus
>Gnome theme
>Window button with title applet
I know have a window decoration less environment on all snapped windows and everything looks sleek.
It pissed me off that Cinnamon is Mint's own developed DE so it's not compatible with Debian. I'll use Mint until I dare try something else.
No.546139
>>546136
Works fine on *ubuntu (and by fine I mean shit because Cinnamon is a fucking shit DE), not sure why it wouldn't work on Debian.
No.546142
>>546139
Cinnamon works on Debian but on version 8, only Cinnamon 2.2 or something works, which doesn't let me rice it enough.
Even installing a higher version by force, crashes Cinnamon neatly. Some people manages to install it on Debian 8.1 though, but I don't know about testing it.
Cinnamon is a ricer DE. It lets you rice it so bad, down to the actual theme files. I can rice it to a Windows look or an OSX look, even Ubuntu GNOME if I want to. Sadly, Cinnamon is resource heavy on weak systems so I don't recommend it on anything weaker than a house burner GPU.
Cinnamon is maintained by the Mint team because it's their fork. Thus Mint is shipped with the latest Cinnamon and Debian is shipped with a STABLE RELEASE OMG DEBIAN IS SO STABLE NOT EVEN AN EARTHQUAKE CAN BRING IT DOWN HOLY FUCK!-debian.
I thought it was a meme that Debian was stable. Fuck it's so stable you can fuck your neighbor's wife on it without breaking the legs.
No.546143
>>546142
>Cinnamon is a ricer DE
You cannot be serious. It has some of the most minimal, insulting customization options of any other DE. It's literally made for modern Windows plebs who just want something that's as awful as modern Windows.
No.546144
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>>545982
Ctrl+L or button in caja allows editable address :S
Has had this for yonks
No.546147
>>545804
someone reposted my and other anons' image.
finally i am worth something.
No.546150
>>546144
>computer:///
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No.546163
>>546143
Windows plebs has to start somewhere. It took me time to realize what GNU stands for and how important it is. I was spoonfed with GUI programs that allowed me to click on a button with a mouse. Cinnamon kind of builds on that and keeps letting me click on things with the mouse.
But apt-get is still command line, REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE.
One day I'll install Gentoo, through a VM. I'm just getting used to working with GNU/Linux.
No.546168
>>546163
I personally moved to GNU to get away from Microsoft's shit interface decisions since Vista. Trying out and attempting to customize Cinnamon damn near gave me flashbacks.
No.546172
>>546168
Yeah, it's sad to see all the window snapping features I take for granted in Cinnamon, GNOME, etc. to be shipped with Windows 10 CURRENT YEAR. It's like they're not even trying.
Also, Windows:
Always one setup.exe from the perfect desktop environment.
No.546272
>>546163
Cinnamon isn't the only one that lets you do all of the customization through GUIs. Most DE's offer that option. Some, like KDE, are still a bit tricky even with the GUIs because there are just so many options, almost all of which a Windows refugee would have trouble understanding.
>ree'ing over apt being too hard to use
>wants to install Gentoo
I wish you the best of luck. You'll need it.
>>546143
>>546168
It's amazing how locked down Windows is now, if to a Windows user Cinnamon is considered a ricer DE. I'd love to see a Windows 10 user given a system running Trinity and asked to try using its configuration tools.
No.546281
>Cinnamon
holy shit
i use MATE now because cinnamon kept crashing every around hour
fuck that
No.546293
REMINDER THAT LXQT IS THE BEST DE
No.546310
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No.546312
>>546293
>buggier LXDE with fewer features
>resource use comparable to Xfce
Not in its current state. Someday, I'm sure it will be great, but it isn't there yet.
No.546341
>>546136
>using spotify botnet
>using mint israel botnet
>
JUST
No.546342
>>546341
mint guy didn't want people donating to Israel, you twat
you got it backwards
No.546355
>software packages aren't anything special
>terrible support for multiple displays
you just described both xubuntu & mint. the difference is that xfce development is slow as shit & cinnamon is a meme wm, designed for millennial hipsters.
No.546357
>>546342
>is against anyone who supports or is from Israel using or donating to his OS
>partners up with an Israeli company to produce prebuilts running his OS
There's about a gap of a few years between the two; I assume that he managed to find an Israeli company run by someone who's pro-Palestine, or who at least wants those minty-fresh shekels enough to pretend that he cares about the Palestinian goyim.
No.546372
>>545880
>>545795
>xfce
It's kinda shit.
>maximizing windows can leave tens of px of space (yes, this happened to me; just yesterday when I was trying it)
>only shitty replacements for mate's system monitor widget
>can't customize theme (w/o external tools)
>can't quickly customize menu (w/o having to edit *.desktop files)
>can't use touchpad w/o solving xfce's fuckups
yeah, I think I'll stick with Mate. Xfce is almost there, but not quite.
No.546374
>>546060
The biggest gripe I had with unity was that it just wasn't as customizable as gnome 2, the layout wasn't that horrible. I can easily see people who like the unity layout switching to mate now.
Anyway, the more features and customization options mate gets the better.
No.546376
>>546372
As an avid Xfce user:
>maximizing windows can leave tens of px of space (yes, this happened to me; just yesterday when I was trying it)
No clue what you're talking about unless you're talking about maximizing the Terminal, which can leave pixels of free space on snapping due to being bound to the size of the characters. This could be fixed in the future by giving the characters dynamic sizes dictated by the window itself, but at that point we start talking about having terminals with a hard limit on how many characters you can have. What you really want to do is set the character size of your terminal to something divisible by your desktop resolution.
>only shitty replacements for mate's system monitor widget
We have a System Monitor application that shows a lot of information, we have a Terminal but you might be too retarded to use that, and we have panel elements that can monitor the system. Step up your banter.
>can't customize theme (w/o external tools)
I use the Xfce settings menu. What the fuck are you talking about? Do you want to change the theme of your window using some right-click menu on the window itself? How often is that feature going to be used?
>can't quickly customize menu (w/o having to edit *.desktop files)
I'm assuming that you mean the right-click menu. You can edit that using the Xfce settings application. It's like you never looked there because you were too busy being a faggot.
>can't use touchpad w/o solving xfce's fuckups
Xfce's touchpad controls are better than any other DE that I have touched bar none. Show me in MATE where you can disable one mouse input for up to .5 seconds after using the keyboard but leave another mouse input active during that time. Show me in MATE where you can fine-tune your mouse acceleration.
-4/10 low quality bait
No.546382
The future is soon here http://neon.kde.org/
No.546389
>>546376
>unless you're talking about Terminal
Nope, happened to me with firefox. There was like 100px of space below it, so I had to de-maximize it and manually resize. It was a multi monitor setup, but that doesn't excuse anything.
>system monitor ...
Yes, obviously I'm using a panel widget because I want to waste space with system monitor or htop... ah, yes, the panel elements... as I said: only shitty replacements for mate's system monitor. Call me when you have a widget that distinguishes between user/shared/buffers/cache memory and user/system/nice/IO wait cpu load.
>xfce settings menu
Can't customize colors afaik.
>Xfce's touchpad controls are better than any other DE
Maybe they'd be perfect if they fucking worked instead of making my touchpad useless.
No.546395
>>546389
>happened to me with firerox
Never happened to me in multiple years of using Xfce. No clue what your problem is.
>waste screen space
It's almost like you're ignoring the fact that we've had virtual desktops since the 80s
>Can't customize colors
What colors? Are you talking about pic related? Or are you talking about window border colors, which are dictated by the theme which can be set from the settings menu?
>making my touchpad useless
Nice description of your problem. Sounds to me like you don't know what you're talking about, or you're just a shit-flinging faggot.
Since you're trying to shill MATE, can it
>accept commands typed directly into the search bar of whatever they're using to supplement the lack of a Whisker Menu?
>send a window to the back layer by middle-clicking on the title bar?
>put all of your settings menus into one organized settings menu?
>Make use of mugshot?
>snap resize windows to take up 1/4 of the screen?
No.546417
>>545795
>kek
Go back to /b/, idiot.
No.546435
>>546395
>no clue what your problem is
The problem is that xfce can't into maximizing properly when you have uncommon setup.
>virtual desktops
How fucking dense are you? The reason why I use it as a panel widget is because it's there all the time and it doesn't take up much space. This is exactly what xfce is missing. What I see you saying is basically that "it's not xfce's fault that it doesn't have what you want, it's your fault for wanting something that we think you don't need" which is about as retarded as it sounds.
>nice description
It doesn't work at all, that's the problem. I don't know how good the setting thing is, but under no circumstances should it completely disable my touchpad without explicitly being told to do so.
>Since you're trying to shill MATE, can it...
>commands
Like Alt-F2? I think there's also some fancy search/launch hybrid thing in the fancier menu, but I'm not sure as I don't use that.
>send window back
Might be in settings somewhere. Alt-tab + moving stuff between workspaces is all I need though.
>mugshot
Possibly, but it's something I have no need for and I'm not gonna install it just to test it.
>snap resize
There's something like that, though I have it disabled.
No.546492
>>546293
Remember when LXDE was about being lightweight?
No.546496
>>546372
>can't quickly customize menu (w/o having to edit *.desktop files)
u wot? MenuLibre?
>can't customize theme (w/o external tools)
u fucking wot?
No.546509
>>546395
>accept commands typed directly into the search bar of whatever they're using to supplement the lack of a Whisker Menu?
Curious what you mean by this. I just use that dank xfce-appfinder and replace the Whisker Menu with the more classical menu.
No.546514
No.546515
>>546417
>REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
No.546518
XFCE sucks because Thunar is a motherfucking piece of unreliable shit
No.546519
>>546518
It could have a few more features, for sure. Still better than Caja.
No.546520
>>546519
NO, thunar is 10 times more unreliable than caja, I've used them both for extended time. Caja is just the old nautilus and it was stable.
No.546521
>>546520
Well I've never had a "reliability" issue with Thunar and I've used it for years.
No.546524
No.546525
>>546518
>>546520
What are you doing that's causing it to crash? I've literally never had any issue with Thunar ever. I prefer Dolphin more, but Thunar has never given me issues. Are you sure you weren't being retarded and broke something?
No.546530
Here's mine, no need for a big clunky DE. Although I would use MATE with a smile if I had to.
No.546547
>>546525
Thunar (latest version) can't handle any kind of network folders reliably, all its plugins crash it easily, it will randomly fuck up my bookmarks, it crashes the tumblerd service often causing thumbnails to stop working
The only other FM that gave me such issues was Nemo but at least it gets updated. Thunar stays dead in the water for years on end.
No.546548
>>546547
That sucks, ever try PCManFM? Curious if it has the same problems.
No.546553
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>>546547
Ok, so use Krusader or Nautilus instead? The default file manager can't be your only reason for disliking a DE. Or are you too dumb to change it?
No.546554
>>546548
Only briefly. I used Caja, old Nautilus, new Nautilus, Dolphin a lot and none of them gave me this many problems. Nemo not as much either, but had crashes, it's probably better by now.
It's not like people don't report them either, it's that XFCE moves at a snail's pace and novelty apps like Thunar don't get the attention that the other players do.
I never use Thunar for anything remotely important anymore i.e. for files I actually wish to preserve.
No.546561
>>546548
PCmanfm is awesome, incredibly lightweight, and utterly reliable. Handles network shares fine as well.
No.546564
>>546518
XFCE is great because it's completely modular and you can replace any part you want.
I personally happen to be using nearly stock XFCE because all the default components are really lightweight, not buggy, and do everything I need them to. If Thunar sux 4 u then just replace it with your favorite file manager. It'll probably be pretty seamless with the rest of the XFCE desktop unless it's designed from the ground up for a KDE system.
No.546567
>>546564
This reminds me, back when I used Arch, and I hand-selected every single component, I ended up basically assembling the XFCE desktop. :/
No.546571
>>546564
>It'll probably be pretty seamless with the rest of the XFCE desktop unless it's designed from the ground up for a KDE system.
No, XFCE is still largely GTK2 so Nautilus 3 and Nemo don't integrate well.
Caja has a bunch of known bugs when run outside MATE. Caja is the best candidate replacement for Thunar otherwise.
Dolphin is KDE.
I've been through it.
No.546574
How retarded can you be? That's Ubuntu MATE, MATE isn't try to copy Unity, Ubuntu made MATE look like Unity instead. Holy fuck, who would have thought that?
No.546577
Alright, so if I was looking for a stable GNU/Linux OS that would, while having ease of use for absolute beginners, would help me learn more about linux in general, what would I look for?
Like I said, the things I'm prioritizing are:
>Stability
>Ease of use
>Helps beginner learning
Mint: Seems to be easy to use, and familiar to people who are migrating from windows. There did, however, seem to be a scandal about it having extremely trashy security that I don't know too much about.
Ubuntu: Seems to also be an extremely popular migration point from windows. Has a strong online community, so lots of sources to go to if I get lost.
Debian: Seems to not be something beginners flock to immediately due to it being more difficult than other OSs. Does seems to be very well documented.
I'm also extremely willing to work hard towards learning about Linux, so factor that into your decisions if you will.
Help would be greatly appreciated.
Paranoia wallpaper for your time.
No.546579
>>546577
Been using Ubuntu since 8.04, always found solutions for my problems, the askubuntu community helps a lot, also IRC. In my opinion, an Ubuntu flavor is the easiest thing, while you can do everything, just like in any other distro. That's my opinion.
They're also making some interesting changes to take a look at.
No.546590
>>546577
Xubuntu. Don't let Unity anywhere near your system, it's cancer. Mint holds your hand too much for you to ever learn anything. Debian is what you want to work towards.
No.546594
>>546590
I'm still extremely newbish here, and don't know too much about this, but what makes Unity cancer?
No.546618
>>546594
Amazon search results and it consumes a lot of resources compared to other DEs.
>>546577
if you want to learn more about Linux, avoid the beginner distros and DEs that your hand like Mint, Ubuntu, Kubuntu, KDE in general is very GUI intensive (and just werks), so you never spend any time under the hood.
Xubuntu seems like a good choice. Debian might be too frustrating in the beginning.
As long as you focus on the terminal and cli programs you'll learn more than enough about GNU/Linux in a less ambitious distro. I second Xubuntu.
No.546624
>>546594
Unity was partially made to be used on different form factors. It's kinda like Windows 8's change, but not as drastic. It was also made because the GNOME team went full retard with GNOME 3, although they've probably fixed it by now.
It's also a mess of different technologies. It doesn't look too bad on the surface but it uses GTK and Qt at the same time, increasing the amount of memory used. Someone more knowledgeable would be able to say more though.
In terms of actual usability it's not that bad. I personally use it because I'm lazy. You can hit the win-key and type what you want and it comes up. In some programs you can hit alt and type what menu option you want and it comes up, but not Firefox or Blender because like I said it's a clusterfuck of different standards. To tweak it you need a program called the Unity Tweak Tool, which is in the default repos.
Luckily there's different flavours of Ubuntu. Kubuntu = Ubuntu + KDE, which takes a more Windows-like approach. It's got a control panel of sorts, is really easy to customize and is familiar to anyone coming from Windows.
Ubuntu GNOME uses GNOME 3. If you want to see what Ubuntu would have been like if they didn't make Unity try it out. Don't be surprised if it makes no sense, but you might grow to like it.
Xubuntu = Ubuntu + XFCE. XFCE is rock solid and has a nice amount of features. It's also lightweight. There's no real downside to it, aside from graphics and the fuckton of features KDE has.
Lubuntu = Ubuntu + LXDE. It's just a lighter XFCE but with less features. Use it on really weak computers
MATE is GNOME 2, which is what Ubuntu used before Unity. Ubuntu MATE is closer to old Ubuntu, which has a pretty nice interface.
You might as well go for Xubuntu, but try the others in a VM if you're curious. Just install Xubuntu in the VM and in that instance install ubuntu-desktop, kubuntu-desktop or whatever, it's easier than downloading lots of ISOs.
No.546632
>>546624
>Kubuntu = Ubuntu + KDE, which takes a more Windows-like approach. It's got a control panel of sorts, is really easy to customize and is familiar to anyone coming from Windows.
I don't think it's really fair to characterize KDE as Windows-like. KDE is really on the edge of desktop technology and does an absolute shitload of things that Windows can only dream of doing. Xfce and LXDE are much more Windows-like if anything.
No.546815
>>546577
Debian is good if you want a distro that's easy to use when you get the hang of it, but doesn't hold your hand too much. It also by default pushes you to make both a root account and user account. When installing it, you get to choose your favorite DE, and it offers all the big ones in the installer such as Mate, Cinnamon, KDE, XFCE, and more.
It also usually "just werks" on even hardware Ubuntu or Mint has issues on.
No.546853
I've always used tiling window managers, even use my own. With that said, i have tried out desktop environments thoroughly, and this is my take.
MATE
It's okay. Nothing too interesting about it though, it's simple and gets the job done. Pretty boring and meh-ish though.
XFCE
Highly overrated. It's just kind of shitty. People claim that it's minimal, it's not. It's just shit. Only good thing about it is Thunar (thunar seems to get a lot of hate in this thread, but honestly it's not bad at all).
Cinnamon
Has potential, just not quite there yet. Nothing too interesting. I've noticed that the compositor causes a lot of problems for some people. The DE is overhyped, it's not really 'complete' imo.
KDE
It's strange. Although it can be nice, depending on the machine you're using. Not the biggest fan of QT. Also, sometimes KDE just feels find of bloaty, although it has some nice features.
GNOME
In all honesty, way overhated. It used to be shit as the dev team as a whole had a stroke, but they fixed pretty much every problem it originally had. It seems to me that those who say that it is the worst DE out there have either not used it since these problems were fixed, or are new and just appealing to bandwagon. In its current state, It's quite a nice, slick, and comfy DE overall. Though fuck some it's blurry icons for applications.
Unity
Pretty shit, but it's okay for kids and the elderly.
No.546861
>>546853
>I've always used tiling window managers, even use my own
>use my own
>my own tiling window manager
Link to git* pls.
Also, hot opinions inbound:
>MATE
>pretty okay, can be really pretty with minimal work
>XFCE
>okay, can be really pretty with a lot of work, doesn't support third-party WMs very well, XFCE programs are pretty great for filling the gaps in WM-only setups
>Cinnamon
>tried it once, got rid of it immediately, horrendously ugly
>KDE
>disgustingly ugly, not intuitive at all, retarded defaults that don't seem to be disablable, can't even use KDE programs outside of KDE due to six million dependencies
>GNOME
>it's pretty okay, extensions for a DE are a neat idea and some of them are useful, mostly good defaults but not very configurable
>Unity
>beautiful to look at, but not really intuitive
>LXDE
>kind of ugly, but perfectly usable, PCmanFM is nice
No.546866
>>546861
>can't even use KDE programs outside of KDE due to six million dependencies
Most kde applications depend mainly on kdelibs and Qt. And at least they don't pull into system dead toolkits like GTK+
No.546867
>>546853
I have been using Gnome recently and I had a very good experience, the desktop is very complete and solid.
They did a nice work with Gnome Boxes, Evince just works, Gnome Web is a nice light browser. The addons system is awesome, you can just install any addon from the browser on any Linux distribution.
But the memory usage is just unacceptable.
No.546868
>>546866
The first time you install a KDE program, no matter how small, it usually manages to pull in half a gigabyte of KDE libraries and runtimes. Pulling in GTK+ is very minor compared to that.
No.546872
>>546149
>>546147
thanks
>>546867
>memory usage is just unacceptable.
It works fine for me on a 10 yo laptop with 3.5 GiB of RAM.
It's not gonna improve. They would have to rewrite all the Javascript code in C, and avoiding C was the very reason why they went with javascript.
No.546873
>>546872
For casual use thats not a problem, but I do light gaming and virtualization, 1gb of memory matters to me.
No.546938
>>546530
How can I make my web browser look like that in xfce?
No.547040
XFCE is the best DE. Anything better than that is an independant wm with the users preferred bar(if any) and applications.
>>546938
userchrome.css
No.547067
>>547040
>the users preferred bar(if any)
Are there even any good standalone panels not maintained by full desktop environments? All the ones I've tried have been pretty lame.
No.547069
>>546136
>Adobe Photoshop
ABSOLUTELY PROPRIETARY
>>546357
Hold up, is mint botnet?
No.547079
>>546342
that's the front-end.
The truth is at the back-end you twat.
No.547085
>>545828
How do I verify the Debian checksums? The Debian site has poorly written instructions.
No.547087
>>545795
>kek
Go back to /b/, idiot.
No.547089
No.547090
>>546515
Go back to /b/, idiot.
No.547094
>>547067
I like tint2, but it's not that great. It's very simple, and doesn't do much, but it's lightweight and works well with the 'boxes. i3bar is nice, but integrated to i3 so I don't think it would work with anything else.
Lxpanel is my favorite, and works fine even without LXDE, but it's still considered part of a DE so it doesn't count.
>>547064
>borderlands
>spinning horsecock
>tf2
How many hats does your bull wear when he pounds your waifu?
No.547168
>>546524
>CURRENT YEAR
>not using Windows 10
No.547236
>>546866
GTK is hardly dead when you consider that 90% of graphical applications run on it.
No.547247
if you want a full-featured desktop you go kde. if you want something lightweight you go tiling wm. everything else is retarded.
No.547250
>>547064
>Nvidia
>Palemoon
>Minecraft
>SpinningHorsecock.gif
>TF2
>Memelands 2
>Shitty Windows XP theme
I got cancer from looking at that desktop.
No.547280
>>547250
>nvidia is bad meme
>palemoon is bad meme
>hurr i don't like your background so I'm going to bitch at you about it
Fuck off and die nigger.
No.547286
>>547280
>dismissing criticism by calling it a meme
That's just making things worse.