/tech/ - Technology

Memers are going to storm the thread and tell you gnome is a shit. Despite /tech/'s universal agreement on this, it's actually a pretty okay DE, and it's the DE you have to be familiar with if you're ever going to work with UNIX or GNU/Linux in a professional capacity.

> DE

It's cancer.

Xfce is better.

>>546793

>Despite /tech/'s universal agreement on this,

I don't think so.

>>546838

After getting rid of the ugly default skin, Xfce truly is the best DE.

>light

>works perfectly well with default settings (except the initial look)

>no learning curve (unlike tiling DEs)

>pretty customizable

>mate with compiz on mint to show off to normies

>gnome on centos to prepare for job in gahnoo/leenux

>i3 on arch for 1337 riced-out haxzor setup

>>546855

Don't use CentOS on the desktop. Just use Fedora and then get a server with CentOS.

Use Gnome because it's good. But my linux desktop at work doesn't even offer Gnome, and DEs don't differ so much that you would need to study one to use it at work.

Use BSD on desktop for your haxxor setup, pleb.

I find gnome borderline unusable, it conflicts so hard with my workflow.

>>546851

not as light as LXDE, but XFCE works very well.

>>546895

^This. Humans were never meant to context shift and gnome requires you to context shift everytime you want to view what windows are open.

Install cinnamon. You will notice you are a more productive coder in it.

Because it is build on Gnome you can do everything in it you would want to.

>>546922

Why would I switch windows except to "context switch"?

The most important thing for me is the physical distance, metaphorically, between windows. I first noticed that this mattered when I used some early fltk-based WM that required more keystrokes to switch between windows on the same desktop than to switch between windows on different desktops. Farther windows felt nearer than nearer windows, a total inversion that felt like nails on a chalkboard to use.

Gnome makes no mistakes here, so I have no problems with it.

>>546832

How do you people live with window manager? Do you use the Tor browser bundle? Enjoy not getting the same window size as everyone else and having your own, probably unique fingerprint.

And there are so many other problems. I use Mullvad for torrenting movies etc. In an actual DE I can hotkey the mullvad client, type in my password in the gui prompt and done. In i3 if I hotkey the client I don't get a password prompt; the client just runs in the background doing nothing because I haven't logged in. I have to sudo into the client from a terminal.

I ran into several of these types of problems during the first hour of using i3 before going back xfce.

>>546951

> Do you use the Tor browser bundle? Enjoy not getting the same window size as everyone else and having your own, probably unique fingerprint.

What? Disable javascript, you dumb faggot.

> In an actual DE I can hotkey the mullvad client, type in my password in the gui prompt and done. In i3 if I hotkey the client I don't get a password prompt; the client just runs in the background doing nothing because I haven't logged in. I have to sudo into the client from a terminal.

Oh, nevermind, it's just bait. Nobody is this stupid.

>>546855

Somebody please explain why i3 is associated with "1337 riced-out haxzor setup."

When I setup i3, all I did was change the keybindings and the status bar output. I don't see how you can do much more than that.

>>546801

*tips fedora*

>>546969

>disable javascript

I use virtual machines for tor specifically so I can safely enable js on certain sites without worrying about browser exploits. Like this one. Posting here without js enabled is pure misery.

>bait

It's not bait. Instead of JUST calling me stupid, how about calling me stupid and also pointing out why I'm being stupid? That way you can prove your superiority while also posting useful comments. Everyone wins.

>switched from shit to piss

That's a humiliation fetish you have, right?

>>546793

>it's the DE you have to be familiar with if you're ever going to work with UNIX or GNU/Linux in a professional capacity

That's fucking moronic, if you're still at the level you can't find your way around a shitty DE in 10 minutes, you'll never get a unix job

Oh wait 95% of unix jobs is command line... what the fuck are you even saying?

>>546754

You should try xmonad.

>>546951

>In i3 if I hotkey the client I don't get a password prompt; the client just runs in the background doing nothing because I haven't logged in.

Oh, you liked automation and convenience

>what is a openvpn dhcp(c)d hook?

There that should save you both the time

to open two gui prompts and your sanity

>I have to sudo from a terminal

Sorry but since when was using su in terminal a bad thing?

>>546754

Well, yeah, GNOME is better than Unity. That should be obvious; Unity is just GNOME with with more shit tacked on, an even more tablet-friendly (and everything-else-unfriendly) design, and more locked down. Basically, Unity is just a worse version of GNOME. If you want the same thing, but better instead of worse, go with Cinnamon. It took GNOME and went in the exact opposite direction of Unity, with the exception of user customization options which are poor in both Cinnamon and Unity.

>>546833

I'd say it's more like switching from AIDS and Chlamydia to just AIDS.

>>547037

>xmonad

>minimalistic tiling wm

>requires several hundreds of megabytes worth of dependencies to reconfigure

>>546951

>How do you people live with window manager? Do you use the Tor browser bundle? Enjoy not getting the same window size as everyone else and having your own, probably unique fingerprint.

Not all window managers are tiling window managers.

Even in tiling window managers, the window initially gets displayed in such a way that you end up with the normal window size. It doesn't change unless you resize it after that. You can just make the window floating. Almost all tiling window managers also let you configure them so certain applications are floating by default.

>>546793

>people are going to tell you it's shit

>the same people agreed that it's pretty okay

Why do you hate logic?

>>547112

>despite

>reading comprehension

>>547037

>have to learn a shitty meme language just to edit the config file

no thanks kiddo

>>547017

> Posting here without js enabled is pure misery.

Yeah, you're dumb as shit. Sorry, friend.

>Making cosmetic changes that are only incidentally practical and primarily aesthetic.

If you are customizing your system, at least add some hotkeys and things that actually improve your productity. It's important to have a beautiful looking system, but getting stuff done is equally important.

tl;dr the practical and the beautiful should work hand in hand.

>want a minimal DE

>XFCE requires systemd

>tiling WMs require a lot of time and configuration to get it to be comfy

>all other DEs are shit

Why?

>>547363

Xfce4 supports systemd, but it doesn't require it. Big difference.

>>546793

It's shit, faggot. Is it even customizable? I tried it once when I moved to Linux ( Debian to be specific) and I hated it at first sight. I installed XFCE and I fell in love with it. Lite and flexible.

>>547363

Learn to use WMs. It's worth the time and effort if you want comfy ricing.