No.552107
I'm sick of you faggots always crying like
>muh webkit
>muh botnet
>muh sjwzilla
1. Firefox is worst web browser on nix systems. I dont even have to mention all its shitty forks & clones.
>this year-10, this year
>fork firefox
>change its name
>WE CREATED A NEW BROWSER CALLED DICKMOONKEY ITS BETTER THAN ALL BROWSERS OUT THERE PLEASE USE IT
>dev team constantly add patches to their shitty browser to work with new or updated firefox extensions
All those fuckers which are using firefox forks should kill themselves.
2. Chromium is botnet. Well debotnet it. Its a fucking free software
https://github.com/gcarq/inox-patchset
I'm not a fan of chromium but we all have to admit
- v8 is best js engine. I was developing a project creating 10M svg objects, well firefox couldn't handle it.
- blink is best rendering engine.
3. luakit is awesome, even has extensions like adblock etc.
4. opera should be examined, to make sure it doesn't have any botnet.
Well for me right now;
Opera > Inox > Firefox > luakit
But have to stick with firefox because of extensions.
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No.552174
>>552107
>Firefox is the worst web browser
>not vanilla konqueror
Konqueror is pretty decent if you set it up, but out of the box it sucks ass. Worst browser by far. Still a good file manager though. At least Firefox is usable and doesn't use up as much RAM as Chrome*.
No.552190
Nigger, Opera is shit. Jump to Vivaldi like the rest of us.
No.552198
>>552190
vivaldi is not a real browser
>>>/tech/549558
No.552247
> getting everything wrong and proud of it
No.552345
No.552769
>>552107
this thread again ?
>- v8 is best js engine. I was developing a project creating 10M svg objects, well firefox couldn't handle it.
>- blink is best rendering engine.
shilling this much
>opera should be examined
lets do it them
>what is operas licence ?
it Proprietary
>is it a botnet ?
yes
>why is it a botnet ?
because it Proprietary
the end
want a libre/free webrowser that isn't trying to put shit on your computer use gnu icecat
No.552810
>>552190
>>552345
B-but I use Opera.
No.552815
>>552769
>because it Proprietary
>the end
People aren't going to take you seriously if you argue like this. I don't like Opera, but if I did, there would be no chance of this convincing me. You might as well just post "because I say so".
No.552824
>>552769
>Because it is proprietary
Seriously, this bullshit again? Even if it was Open source when was the last time you actually audited a open source browser software, or even implemented your own features in it.
The only people that benefits in most cases are major cock suckers that forks the browser to shit and then next thing you know, they publish it under the banner of better browser than the original.
Take your head out of the sand kid and stop seeing botnets everywhere.>>552769
No.552853
>>552107
>luakit
>using abandonware as your web browser
ishygddt luakit is deprecated. use qutebrowser
No.552856
>>552815
>because it Proprietary
>the end
>People aren't going to take you seriously if you argue like this
Do you even know where you are?
>>552824
>"it's ok to trust a product that doesn't let you open it to check if it's spying on you or if it has security issues"
>"you can't look inside this browser but i assure you there's no botnet"
>"trust me"
>trying to justify using botnet proprietary browsers
Kill yourself
No.552864
Despite OP's faggotry, Inox is a fair compromise for the moderate autist looking for speed and compatibility.
No.553105
>>552856
Yes, I know where I am. And even here, I haven't seen anyone outright agreeing with him. That's saying something.
No.553123
>>552815
>>552824
>when was the last time you actually audited a open source browser software, or even implemented your own features in it
I'm going to respond to you the same discrediting way you have tried to do.
when was the last time that you cared about others anon ?
When was the last time that you cared about your own freedom and others freedom
Why don't you want me to use a tool in another way, am I not free of doing what I want ?
Listen anon Free/libre software isn't only about security it's also about developing in a community.
I don't understand your shilling over proprietary software it has bean proven many times that these kind of software doesn’t give a fuck about their users expect when it's to bend them over and impose their leash up their ass.
The advantage of free/libre software is that when the dev team goes full retard you can always study/copy/redistribute it to adjust your specifications for yourself and others.
>Take your head out of the sand kid and stop seeing botnets everywhere.
So you won't mind auditing opera, internet explorer or google chrome to see if there aren't any bad features that goes against the users ? so that you can prove me wrong
oh wait you can't it's proprietary
Sorry to say anon that you don't have real arguments.
Browsers are all the same.
Only the licence really matters.
No.553125
>>553123
Being proprietary doesn't prove something is a botnet, and being libre doesn't prove something isn't a botnet.
Since phoning home is actually rather easy to detect, it's reasonable to demand real proof.
No.553140
Looking for a new browser to try out, help me /tech/.
No.553155
>>553125
>Being proprietary doesn't prove something is a botnet
Intel me
https://libreboot.org/faq/#intelme
amd
https://libreboot.org/faq/#amdpsp
indeed but it is nearly impossible verify it or to correct it
libreboot is one of the very rare exception of that not everyone goes into reverse engineering that kind of system
>and being libre doesn't prove something isn't a botnet
indeed but you can verify it
This is why the trisquel community didn't put chromium in the repository
https://trisquel.info/en/forum/chromium-unconditionally-downloads-binary-blob
The "ahem" bug was fixed but
https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/blog/2015/06/google-chrome-listening-in-to-your-room-shows-the-importance-of-privacy-defense-in-depth/
that is why you can't trust proprietary software it corrupts everything it touches that is why there are projects like libre linux
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux-libre
who deblobs the linux kernel of malicious pieces of software because yes proprietary software must be considered has malicious.
if you want a distro who hasn't got shit in it
https://www.gnu.org/distros/free-distros.html
>>553140
http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla/
No.553165
>>553155
You can't completely verify it, but you can research it. Does Opera send suspicious packages? Have you checked? If not, why not?
You seem to think that being right means you don't need evidence.
No.553182
>>553165
>Does Opera send suspicious packages? Have you checked? If not, why not?
Why would I ?
I don't use opera
Plus I don't want to because I don't want to aid a software that isn't free/libre software
why ?
because helping them is like supporting proprietary there is no long term good that can come from that.
>You seem to think that being right means you don't need evidence.
never said that
But the evidences are everywhere you just cannot trust non free/libre software
another example (now in routers) is the TCP/32764 backdoor that was corrected but them reactivated
https://thehackernews.com/2014/04/router-manufacturers-secretly-added-tcp.html
here's the guy who discovered it
https://twitter.com/elvanderb
also list of hardware touched by it
https://wikidevi.com/wiki/TCP-32764
The community isn't going to play cat and mouse eternally , there is no point auditing software when you don't have the source code in the end it doesn’t benefit the community aka:everyone
here's another bad software that abused users
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_BMG_copy_protection_rootkit_scandal
I don't say that we don't need evidence I say that we already have to much of them.
again look at this thread
https://8ch.net/tech/res/550920.html
No.553188
>All those fuckers which are using firefox forks should kill themselves.
Your reason for disregarding Icecat is?
Answer: You can't/never tried compiling it because you use windows.
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>- blink is best rendering engine.
What are you smoking? Chrome couldn't even render a roundcube(or was it icecube?) interface properly last time I used it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_layout_engines_%28CSS%29
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_layout_engines_%28HTML5%29
>4. opera should be examined, to make sure it doesn't have any botnet.
Sure, let's find the source first.
No.553271
>>553182
>Why would I ?
So you can maybe actually convince someone to stop using it. Incoherent rants won't do that.
And how the fuck does gathering evidence that a program is bad count as aiding it?
No.553308
>>553271
At this point anon I don't know if you're mentally hill or if you're a troll.
>And how the fuck does gathering evidence that a program is bad count as aiding it?
-If you help a proprietary software you also help them having power over the users.
Do you understand that ?
With proprietary software it's not the users who have control of it, it's the owners, the company.
why would you want a company or even someone to subject other people ?
>So you can maybe actually convince someone to stop using it. Incoherent rants won't do that.
>implying the arguments stated weren't enough or out of context
No.553317
I won't criticize anything else but:
>Opera gets bought out by chinks in billion dollar deal
>Both chans get shilled to use CHROpera and leave anything else
>specially "new opera" Vivaldi users are the worst heretics around now
Hmm I wonder who is behind this
Oy Vey!
No.553319
OP, are you that faggot from the last thread who was assblassted about seamonkey?
Because that's real fuckin stupid.
No.553329
>>552107
This 100%. I just disable Mozilla's bullshit. Not very hard to do either. Don't tell these arch fags this.
Good job op, I'm proud of you today. Now come here and let me congratulate on your quality post.
No.553333
>>553308
You haven't explained how gathering evidence helps the program. You've just repeated it.
And you've only given arguments for something being possible, when proving it should be simple. Not proving it when you should be able to prove it makes it look like there is no proof at all.
No.553339
>>552174
Konqueror still outperforms firefox in a lot of places. Firefox has had 40 releases since the last major Konqueror update and it's still playing catch-up for basic things like scrolling a fucking static webpage at 60fps.
No.553348
>>553333
>And you've only given arguments for something being possible
>shilling this much still and always
I have given proof (links and not only me)
You haven't given any proof of what you have stated
Stop the bullshit anon
No.553542
>>553348
What am I shilling for? I've said at least once that I dislike Opera.
Why can't you give any proof that Opera is malicious, instead of proof that Opera might be malicious?
No.553906
>caring about botnet
I want the kikes to know that I hate them
No.553934
>>553105
> not openly agreeing is the same as disagreeing
Nice bait
No.553938
>>553542
Not him, but i think youre talking about different things. The anon youre arguing with gets his opinion from a more fundamrntal level, the fact that opera isnt fully open source, thus not worth examening.
To restate: why put effort in devaluing a browser while it already devalued itself by not being fully open source libre free and what not
Not saying i agree with this, but you dont seem to get that
No.553942
>>553938
I get that, but he's not just calling it proprietary, he's calling it a botnet.
It's fine to recommend against it because it's proprietary, but if you also make the claim that it's bad for your privacy, you should back that up.
No.553949
>>553942
But anon, all proprietary things are immediately botnet! I heard it from people on the internet, so you know it's true.
No.553956
>>553949
OP you still assmad?
KEK
I'll give you my open source code of a virus script then you'd trust and execute it just because it's open source? No?
Now I'll give you a closed source executable virus and you won't use it? Now Imma label it Google © and you'll run the code even if it rapes you. You suck proprietary dick.
Free software is very different.
Look at android's google playstore, almost every app there are botnet excluding every free software mirrored from f-droid or git releases.
Free software respects its users, proprietary is shit. A software should do what it is meant to do and not violate the manifest and takeover the user's system (e.g botnet)
Last I checked a popular PVP sidescroller proprietary software/game on android was even tracking its user's movements (gyro/accel), records audio and many more.
Analytics, bigdata and trend marketing 101. Go back when you a l33t, macfag.
No.553959
>>553956
>OP you still assmad?
I'm not OP! Take that back! I only run the finest of open source software and never check it's source code!
No.559570
>>552239
>>552247
>>552345
>hurr durr socjuszilla lbgtfox isn't bad browser goy muh buttnetttt
>>552769
>everything needs to be open source and readable so I can never actually read the code or do anything with it beyond (((social signaling))) to autists
>>552856
>"it's ok to trust a product that doesn't let you open it to check if it's spying on you or if it has security issues"
>"you can't look inside this browser but i assure you there's no botnet"
>"trust me"
>"it's ok to trust a vehicle that doesn't let you open every single part to check if it's breaking on you or if it has stability issues"
>"you can't look inside every part of this vehicle but i assure you there's no performance loss"
>"trust me"
This is how you sound. Better not trust that monitor you're looking at, can you disassemble every single part, audit every single molecule to make sure it's not secretly beaming pictures of your fat ugly body to 4chan?
>>552853
>deprecated because I say so
>>>/suicide/
>>553123
>I can't provide an answer to a question so I'm going to move goalposts and meme just like RMS taught me to
Kill yourself.
No.565985
I've used SRWare Iron as secondary browser for many years now, and since Palemoon can't post on 8ch anymore (browser sent no HTTP referer post failed) I need a new browser. Is there any difference between Inox and iron?
No.566047
>>552107
>Still advocating Chrom*
>When the UI doesn't allow for any modification
>When tabs shrink instead of span, making using the browser with more than 10 tabs impossible
>When customization is a pain in the cunt because Google clamps down on it as much as possible
>When addons aren't nearly as robust as they are on Firefox
>Chrom*
Firefox and friends are islands of garbage in an ocean of diarrhea, which in turn is located on the shitheap Planet Webdev. The island is pure garbage, and you're stuck on a shitty planet, but at least you're on dry ground instead of wading in faeces.
I just reinstalled on this computer so I don't have any reaction images, but pretend there's an incredulous chinese cartoon face attached.
No.566052
>shitty Firefox fork
>Pale Moon is a Firefox fork
OK I kind-of agree, but if we talk comparative shittiness it still beats the pants off SJWFox v40+ and Google Botnet.
Git Vimperator on it, then gitgud!
No.566057
>>566047
don't forget no vertical tabs and no changing the address bar to anything other than white
here I went and got one for you and I don't even use them
No.566059
It qutebrowser keeps improving it wins fucking everything
No.566065
Daily reminder that SeaMonkey is the best browser. It comes with Email and ChatZilla too.
No.566083
It looks like a lot of the stupid shit in Firefox might be optional at build time. I'm trying to do it through an ebuild but my first attempt didn't seem to do anything.
No.566221
>>566057
This is creepy because it's Shingi with Asuka's hair, but still kinda nice.
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No.569971
Opera 9 through 12 were great, now Opera is just a re-flavored Chromesickle.
No.569982
>>552345
It used to be good... ;_;
I still use Opera Mail as my main email client.
No.572350
Are there any debloated, working FF versions? I've tried so far:
Chromium/forks: unless there's a way to completely replace Omnibox with separate search bar to quickly switch between search engines these are out of the question. It's a shame since it feels more responsive than FF.
Firefox: calls home, needs ton of tweaking to make it stop. Also lots of default bloat like in Chrome.
Palemoon: fails to post on 8chan (referer error) and is broken on many sites (thanks HW).
Waterfox: memory hog, crashes often after some update made in December.
No.572353
>>572350
Seamonkey or GNU Icecat, though I don't particularly like either myself.
No.572489
No.572490
>>572353
I gave Light (https://sourceforge.net/p/lightfirefox/) a go, so far so good. Only nitpick is that Tile Tabs or other view splitting extensions don't work.
No.572493
>>572353
I gave Light (https://sourceforge.net/p/lightfirefox/) a go, so far so good. Only nitpick is that Tile Tabs or other view splitting extensions don't work.
site is even more broken now?
Failed to connect to alacrity daemon
No.572568
>>572350
Seamonkey m8, it's Mozilla but they keep far away from it.
It's not easy for SJWs to wrap their heads around a throbber. :^)
No.572576
>>572353
both are awful, but at least posting works from seamonkey (if this got though)
>>572493
this was broken after all.