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Fuck the previous board announcement about this not being a /tech/ replacement. This is a declaration of war.

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 No.1

Welcome to /tech2/! /tech2/ is an experimental 8chan technology discussion board with an emphasis on hardening the community against shilling and community degradation.

/tech2/ Bill of Rights:

1) A poster has the right to freely speak his opinion without fear of retribution from the board admin. This does not mean that social retribution in the form of mockery or otherwise dissenting statements is disallowed and is actually encouraged.

2) A poster has the right to appeal bans. This is not a guarantee that the ban will be lifted.

3) A poster has the right to dissenting opinions of the board staff to include mods and admin. The poster also has a right to petition for change to the board's SOP.

Board Rules are as follows:

1) *Shilling, as defined below, is strictly prohibited. The first offense results in a ban of one hour. The following bans will have their time extended as a function of the Fibonacci Sequence (1,1,2,3,5,8,etc…). Stating an honest positive opinion of a particular product or company out of genuine affinity is not defined as shilling.

2) "**Tech Support" requests are only allowed in a running "Tech Support/Stupid Questions" thread and only if the requesting OP includes prior measures taken to resolve the issue as well as references used in this attempt. Any TS request breaking these rules will be deleted with no ban issued. In the event that there is not a running TS/SS thread, one should be created.

3) Political and ethical debate related to technology ranging from GamerGate to systemd discussion are allowed, but only on the grounds that they are kept within their own threads (one thread for GG, one for systemd). Any secondary threads on the issue will be deleted. This is to include one thread who's title is "why is systemd bad" and another that is titled "look at these new systemd features" on the grounds that threads about a particularly polarized issue will become debates, even if the subject matter at the start is completely different. I'm sorry, it's just human nature.

*Shilling in context of this rule is defined as the explicit and planned action of expressing an affinity for a particular product or company with the intent of winning over customers or altering public opinion. FUD is also defined as a form of shilling with the intent of decreasing public opinion of a company or preventing usage of a product.

**Tech support is defined as a user requesting help from the /tech2/ community in resolving an issue that they cannot alone resolve

Rules are subject to change at the request of the users of this board, assuming we can have a civil conversation.

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 No.2

Good luck enforcing your "no shill" rule with THAT definition. How the hell do you plan on knowing someone's motives? Are you a mind reader?


 No.3

>>2

It's not going to be easy, but it is generally possible to tell if you watch the board enough. I'm not going to ban someone for saying "yeah, I like xyz", but if someone keeps going around talking about how great something is and starting threads about it, I'll start by telling them to knock it off. Even if something is legitimately nice, nobody likes to see someone running around advertising for it all the time.


 No.4

I too have thought of starting another /tech/ board due to all the shitposting and shilling.

I think starting tech support threads should be a temporary ban. They never learn otherwise and if you do not set an example then it continues to happen. Just look at /g/.


 No.5

>>4

I agree to some extent, although at the same time, I do believe that there is a place for TS. That place is very, very specific, though. Unfortunately, people seem to think that they're some kind of special snowflake and that their own personal problems trump that of the board.


 No.6

>>4

I'm willing to let the users shape the rules. If you have any suggestions, please let me know. I'd love to see this become a nice place.


 No.7

So does that mean I have to add something to my install gentoo shitpost everytime I want to post install gentoo? Sounds really fucking gay, man.


 No.8

>>7

install gentoo


 No.9

>>8

install gentoo

>unoriginal content! you have been muted for 2 minutes

Well fuck you too, /tech2/. I know where I'm not going to post now.


 No.10

>>7

>>9

>>8

Alright, alright. Fuck it; R9k disabled.


 No.11

>>10

Serious question, though; what else would you like to see in a board that would make it a better place? What changes would you make. Remember that the whole purpose of this place is as an experiment, more or less.


 No.12

>>11

Nothing. In the end, /tech/ is just right. Not too many hotpockets that legitimate discussion is banned as in /v/ or /svidya/, not too lazy that shitposts or spam are allowed, like in /intl/ or /liberty/.


 No.13

>>12

So you'd say that this board is completely redundant, then?


 No.14

nice, i wish /tech/ had rules like that.


 No.15

>>14

well start a thread then


 No.16

>>15

i will next time i find something to create a thread about.


 No.17

BENIS :DDDD


 No.18

>>17

toppest of keks young one!


 No.19

Needs IDs (removes samefags)

Ban tech support threads for 10mins or so.

Also ban shitposting such as a user "correcting" someone with "GNU/Linux"

Anyone who posts the interjection pasta should be permanently banned.


 No.20

>>19

>needs IDs

I can agree with that. Might be worth giving a shot if we can reach critical mass.

>correcting someone with GNU/Linux

I don't think it's excessive on /tech/, but I can't say I'm 100 percent against the idea. Yes, it is annoying, but it doesn't ruin the experience or cause anything malicious.


 No.22

Create stupid questions and consumer advice stickies.

No IDs, they allow for surveillance of users. Word frequency correlation and grammar can be used to identify them throughout multiple threads, and therefore profile them.

Remove the shilling rule. Nobody shills on 8chan, it's not economically viable. Actual hypefags will be banned under the guise of shilling

Apart from that I like the rules


 No.24

>>22

>they allow for surveillance of users

OP also ban stupid tinfoilers. IDs do not allow you to track users.

>Word frequency correlation and grammar can be used to identify them throughout multiple threads, and therefore profile them

That doesn't depend on IDs.


 No.25

>>24

The entire PURPOSE of IDs is to track users!


 No.26

>>24

>>22

I tell you guys what, I'll research into how 8chan does ids, maybe even look at the source code, and I'll report back here when I've made a decision.


 No.36

>>26

Based anon.


 No.37

>>26

I know admins have a way of tracking people through threads this could be a security breach no?


 No.39

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>>26

For now, IDs stay off. If samefagging gets out of hand, I will temporarily turn them on with at least a one-hour warning and sticky at the top so that, if IDs bother you, you can know not to post for awhile or use TOR/VPNs/SSH tunneling. I can see post IDs when logged in, though, so I'll make every effort to call out samefags before it comes to IDs.

>>37

Yes, I can track you. Pic related is me logged in. I don't think it can be turned off.


 No.40

>>39

yeah i figured you can track me on thread. is it just one thread or multiple? like how 4chan did it with /pol/


 No.45

>>40

I'm not really sure. I haven't tried tracking anyone up to this point.


 No.46

Infinity (8chan's software) has three personal identifiers.

There are IDs, which identify a single IP address in a single thread. They're hashed using a secret thread-specific salt. They can be viewed by anyone with moderator access to the board, and by normal users if IDs are turned on in the board settings. The only ID that is persistent between threads is 000000, the ID for people posting through the hidden service.

Then there are user identifiers (I don't know if there's an official name for them). They are personal identifiers that are longer than IDs, and they're hashed using a secret board-specific salt. These show up only to people with moderator access to a board. They can be clicked to view that IP's posting history. The hidden service doesn't have a special user identifier, but it is consistent within the board.

Finally, global volunteers and the administrator can see unhashed IP addresses. I believe they don't show up on posts, maybe they can see them when they click the user identifier.

Local moderation might not be able to see IP addresses, but they can set range bans, by specifying the size of the range they want an IP ban to have.

If you don't want to be tracked, use the hidden service. /tech/ allows users of the hidden service to post images and make threads, I can't see if /tech2/ currently allows it because of a bug in settings.php. It definitely allows posting text messages.


 No.47

These rules are fairly similar to /tech/'s rules. /tech/ lets you appeal bans and post criticism of the moderation (as long as you do it on /metatech/, otherwise it may get deleted).

Shilling and FUD have nice definitions, but I have no idea how you're going to properly enforce those rules without the ability to tell what a poster's intention was. Banning someone for advocating something a lot doesn't really work because that means you suddenly use a different definition of shilling.

8chan lets you make threads cyclical. Use that, at least for tech support/stupid questions.

A ban time based on the fibonacci sequence is unnecessarily complicated. Just use powers of 2.


 No.50

Will Windows niggers be banned here?


 No.51

>>50

I'm not going to ban someone because they run a particular OS, but people who shill Windows or brag about it will get the banhammer.


 No.54

Is anyone here against banning namefagging? If so, why?


 No.66

>>54

No im for namefagging i don't think there a good argument against it expect muh chan culture.




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