Anonymous 10/19/14 (Sun) 16:24:31 No. 1673
Reminder that the Hist are exactly where they want to be, always.
Anonymous 10/19/14 (Sun) 19:40:17 No. 1676
>Be dragonborn >Take over Skyrim Emperor of man style >Take a trip to Black marsh, rek lizard shit >Steal me some hist tree >use my dragon powers to get me some dragons >Coat them in the sap >Get these
Anonymous 10/21/14 (Tue) 15:55:28 No. 1804
I bet the Elder Council is made up of Hist.
Anonymous 10/21/14 (Tue) 16:51:14 No. 1810
>>1804 Surprisingly, It's an, Altmer, a few Cyrodillic Vampires of the Order Vampryum, Possibly some Necromancers, and then the Imperials themselves.
Anonymous 10/21/14 (Tue) 17:19:47 No. 1811
>>1673 Reminder that this is pure conjecture.
>>1810 Don't forget Divayth Fyr and Hasphat Antabolis. The "Imperials themselves" bit is a little misleading, not just anyone gets a seat on the Elder council.
>>1804 Pretty sure there's no Hist…but they might all be Argonians.
Anonymous 10/21/14 (Tue) 19:32:45 No. 1813
>>1810 Vampires on the Elder Council? What for? I thought vampires stealing blood from people was a crime.
I know that Janus Hassildor and Jakben Imbel are vampires of Colovian and Breton nobility respectively, but they are discreet about their condition. What would the purpose of having known vampires on the Elder Council be?
Anonymous 10/21/14 (Tue) 20:14:54 No. 1814
>>1813 >Look up the "Order" There's a bunch of cyrodillic vampires fucking about VTMB camarilla style in Cyrodill, making mad spetims on dealing with Clavicus Vile and Molag bal.
Anonymous 10/21/14 (Tue) 21:35:10 No. 1818
>>1813 Beth wants to dick vampires harder than anyone ever, including legions of Twilight fangirls combined. That's why they're on that shit, that's why they're everywhere.
Anonymous 10/22/14 (Wed) 15:23:01 No. 1856
>>1818 Vampires are just Daedric Prince fuckery, they're walking among people and so of course they're fucking relevant in many different contexts. Daedra have a much stronger presence, are Beth on their dicks too? Suppose we just leave out vampires and daedra, since it's wrong for creatures with a strong presence in the lore to be part of the games. Vampires not aging and thus having much time to acquire power, knowledge, and connections, that doesn't make any sense either, I agree.
Anonymous 10/23/14 (Thu) 10:39:01 No. 1897
>>1856 Twilight fag gets buttblasted to the rim of the Wheel.
Vampires are such a boring fucking answer to anyone being influential or powerful. As you fucking say yourself they just fucking live forever and no shit that translates to influence. It also translates to making every character associated with them boring as hell because of what a foregone conclusion it is that they'll be suprspeshulGODMODE. Lots of niggas live for fucking ever and do it on their own merit instead of boning Molag Bonkers and getting cheat codes.
And hell yeah Beth are on Daedric dick, Daedra are leagues more fucking varied and interesting though. I can tolerate that, although even then they ham it up too fucking much.
Beth just can't write for shit at the end of the day, and plays favorites continually. More often than not with vampires because muh bludsukrs and muh Edward.
Anonymous 10/23/14 (Thu) 11:11:41 No. 1902
>>1897 Bethesda makes very bad artistic decisions constantly despite having a truly fascinating setting with very deep lore. I used to think the Lucas bashers were obsessive weirdos but now I feel a pang of sympathy.
They're just doing it out of love.
Lorkhatosh 10/23/14 (Thu) 11:17:14 No. 1903
>>1902 exactly
I am fan of 40k, Star Wars, TES and many other settings that have this same problem and
Anonymous 10/23/14 (Thu) 13:49:15 No. 1911
>>1897 What fucking games have you been playing if you think TES vampires tend to be influential or powerful?
Anonymous 10/23/14 (Thu) 15:02:46 No. 1919
>>1911 Every ES title since Morrowind, where they were rightfully constrained to the shadows and universally reviled. Ever since it's been a 'so-unique uguu~' character trait of the faggiest shit Bethesda has ever vomited up on us. OB had vampire noblemen and next to zero drawbacks for being super speshul vmpire, Skyrim has WHOA SLOW DOWN 25% FIRE WEAKNESS and ONE HUNDREDISH HEALTH LESS DURING THE DAY FUUUUUCK between you and the power supreme. ESO was nothing but 4 months of Mist Form spam because again, muh twilite.
The only redeeming quality Beth has left is that you can mod their god awful Bram Stoker fanboyism out of their games entirely.
Anonymous 10/23/14 (Thu) 15:32:04 No. 1925
>>1919 OB had one vampire nobleman, not several, so that's not a legitimate complaint, and he wasn't particularly important. There were plenty of drawbacks, but of course there were more benefits, since vampirism is supposed to make you more powerful, not a crippled hobo. Morrowind vampirism was horrible, unless you consider being unable to interact with anyone outside of a few Telvanni to be good implementation of vampirism. Couldn't even hide that shit through Illusion or putting on a helmet. Morrowind vampirism was also significantly more powerful than Oblivion vampirism in terms of combat. Skyrim's vampirism was pretty bad, but then again, any complaint you can level against it is valid for almost everything in Skyrim, the game was just too fucking easy overall. Don't know about ESO, not touching that with a ten-foot pole.
Anonymous 10/23/14 (Thu) 18:50:09 No. 1936
>>1919 >>1919 >Bram Stoker fanboyism out of their games entirely. Please read the following thread, and never post like that again.
Anonymous 10/23/14 (Thu) 18:50:22 No. 1937
Anonymous 10/23/14 (Thu) 19:41:00 No. 1941
>>1919 b…b.but don't you love me anon-sempai? am i kawaii? i am a sexy vampire but i will also try to be pure for you, i only had sex once before i met you…
Anonymous 10/23/14 (Thu) 19:51:13 No. 1942
>>1941 >locked in a sarcophagus for thousands of years (at least before the time of Talos) >doesn't even bother to change her clothes >absolutely disgusting I think I'd take Lydia before that bitch
Anonymous 10/23/14 (Thu) 21:23:10 No. 1943
>>1925 Jackben
Skingrad cunt
Morrowind's vampirism was fucking perfect. You are a god damn Daedra-raped animal, not an upstanding member of society. I don't mind them being powerful, but they can't be the end all be all and there are no fucking drawbacks post Morrowind because petty shit like fire weakness means nothing. Being universally hated is a drawback.
>>1936 Shut up, nerd.
>>1941 Japan didn't get nuked enough.
Anonymous 10/23/14 (Thu) 22:54:19 No. 1950
>>1813 Vampires on the Elder Council don't commit crimes. They're above law and order.
Such is the right of any legislative branch throughout history.
Anonymous 10/23/14 (Thu) 22:57:36 No. 1951
>>1911 The one where the second largest city in Cyrodiil was governed by a vampire.
Mind you influential vampires can be found in lore dating all the way back to Daggerfall. There are books in Morrowind that straight out say that vampires in Cyrodiil have infiltrated high places in society and use their government positions to maintain secrecy.
Anonymous 10/23/14 (Thu) 23:32:23 No. 1955
>>1943 >Morrowind's vampirism was fucking perfect. Do you truly believe this because I don't think you do. I don't think you enjoyed not being able to use a silt strider or do 90% of the quests in the game or the cure being ridiculously difficult to locate.
There's something to be said for giving meaningful drawbacks to Vampirism which I would argue they did sort of well in Oblivion. At your most powerful stages you're hated by everyone and take sun damage which is a big fucking problem. Could they have done better? Yes.
But Morrowind's was purely a huge pain in the ass.
Anonymous 10/24/14 (Fri) 01:43:44 No. 1964
>>1943 Man, I don't even recall Jakben after reading about him. I stand corrected.
>You are a god damn Daedra-raped animal, not an upstanding member of society And why not? It's a Molag Bal thing, not a Malacath thing.
>>1951 That's one, and Jakben (whose influence isn't touched upon), that's still not very regular. The anon speaks like it's far more usual than it is.
>Vampires are such a boring fucking answer to anyone being influential or powerful Not a legit complaint when there's maybe one, maybe two, instances. The Count of Skingrad wasn't influential due to being a vampire, he was influential and then became a vampire. Vampirism thus doesn't tend to afford much influence at all in the games, so his complaint is a bit strange.
Anonymous 10/24/14 (Fri) 08:14:12 No. 1970
>>1943 >>1955 Fuck morrowind vampirism. The entire fucking point is vampirism is hiding in polite society and that it's a huge character defining thing.
MW vampirism was so unplayable, that it only existed as a stupid little diversion you did just long enough to do the clan questline and then go cure yourself immediately after, because otherwise 90 fucking percent of the game was locked off to you.
Anonymous 10/24/14 (Fri) 10:04:50 No. 1978
>>1955 Nigga I do. I enjoyed not being one of the little fetchers and watching their admirers suffer. Fuck you for wanting to be a vampire, and fuck Beth for encouraging it.
Anonymous 10/24/14 (Fri) 11:10:05 No. 1980
>>1673 How did they ever explain a "sick" Hist tree anyway? Considering that the Hist are not your average tree and all that.
Anonymous 10/24/14 (Fri) 11:12:42 No. 1981
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>>1942 >locked in a sarcophagus for thousands of years (at least before the time of Talos) >can speak modern language fluently >is in no way bothered by the massive changes that happened in the interim
Anonymous 10/24/14 (Fri) 11:16:20 No. 1983
>>1955 >not being able to use a silt strider or do 90% of the quests in the game I just had a flashback to my first experience with Morrowind vampirism.
It wasn't a good memory.
Lorkhatosh 10/24/14 (Fri) 11:17:41 No. 1984
>>1981 >can speak modern language fluently Modern Cyrodiilic is same as old unless she spoke in old Nordic, Kothringi or Nedic language for some reason
Anonymous 10/24/14 (Fri) 11:19:00 No. 1985
>>1984 >Modern Cyrodiilic is same as old Over millennia and after conquering the entire continent + Alinor? That seems a bit unlikely.
Lorkhatosh 10/24/14 (Fri) 11:23:45 No. 1986
>>1985 She went to sleep somewhere around interregnum period
After interregnum comes Tiber's Empire that established Cyrodiilic as main language (but if I am not mistaken some Altmeris influence happened later and we got language known as Common Tamrielic)
But I doubt that it would be that different
I mean better question would be
>How do Gelibor and that other Falmer known modern Common Tamrielic
Anonymous 10/24/14 (Fri) 11:23:41 No. 1987
>>1981 She does ask you a few rapid fire questions about the leadership of Skyrim immediately after you escape the crypt but seems to gloss over it pretty quickly yeah.
I thought Serana would be a wicked vampire bitch, maybe a bit affable towards the dragonborn but wholly predatory and immoral.
Instead I basically got waifubait. She's just like a normal girl right down to the sarcastic quips. I also sort of liked the idea of vampirism tearing this family apart but the execution was horrible. The idea of loss and distancing from your sense of humanity is a huge part of vampire fiction but this was just fucking stupid teenage melodrama "i wish mommy and daddy would stop fighting" bullshit which was really baffling given the stakes.
I'm rambling because it's 4AM but Serana is shit.
Anonymous 10/24/14 (Fri) 12:18:37 No. 1991
>>1978 What of Lycantrophy then?
Anonymous 10/24/14 (Fri) 12:26:00 No. 1992
>>1978 Naw I never liked being a vampire. I enjoyed being a dawnguard and hunting the wretches down until the plot went completely off the rails.
Still your interpretation of what a vampire should be is not really true to the lore. Vampires in TES are said to have the ability to blend into mortal society and possess a degree of supernatural charm. It is a curse but at the same time the power offered is tempting, there's a reason people seek it out.
They aren't just blood fueled monsters, they're more dangerous than that.
Anonymous 10/24/14 (Fri) 12:40:17 No. 1995
>>1992 You seem to be talking as if there's only one bloodline of Vampires or something.
>>978 Direct yourself here.
And also, as a reminder, Dawnguard Volkihar are nothing like the actual Volkihar that would have been made if todd wasn't such a poor systems analyst.
Imagine going into any ice ridden area in the game and being at the risk of a vampire popping out from under your feet to fuck you silly.
Anonymous 10/24/14 (Fri) 12:55:33 No. 1997
>>1995 Yeah, lack of ice vampires was a huge disappointment.
Anonymous 10/24/14 (Fri) 12:56:09 No. 2000
>>1986 >Gelibor and that other Falmer Fuck, I completely forgot about that too. I guess I assumed Gelibor had some form of exposure to the outside world. I can't imagine him moping in that cave for centuries endlessly.
>>1987 I felt the whole family thing threw the initial plot of Vamps vs Dawnguard completely out the window. It's particularly grating playing as the Dawnguard and gathering a whole collection of characters only for them to barely contribute to the story at all and only function as glorified merchants.
Anonymous 10/24/14 (Fri) 12:58:15 No. 2002
>>1992 >until the plot went completely off the rails I'm going to take the cynical view and say that Bethesda saw the amount of work they'd have to do writing and programming two questlines and just said "Fuck it" and just bullshitted one story with only minimal differences.
Anonymous 10/24/14 (Fri) 15:27:22 No. 2013
>>1991 Fuck it too. Fuck it being forced on you in the Companions, fuck it all. Be a mortal or be less of a faggot.
>>1992 Fuck the lore. The entire point of this is Bethesda is shit and can't stop rubbing their dicks on vampire fangs.
Anonymous 10/25/14 (Sat) 00:23:01 No. 2032
>>2027 Fuck weabs twice as hard as the lore.
Anonymous 11/20/14 (Thu) 16:10:44 No. 3109
>join the companions to get a skyforged steel sword early on >get roped into this lycanthropy bs >fetchers everywhere >can't even purge the abominations because it's assumed I'll be fine with it and actually fight for them >everyone thinks I'm one of them now >righteous Silver Swords attack me on sight then we fast-forward to Dawnguard and the same shit happens. They bait you with something that seems alright then switch it with some poorly written and unrelated crap once you're locked in.
>>2013 got to agree with this guy, if Beth don't put in any effort with lore, they forfeit the right for their lore to be cannon.
Anonymous 11/20/14 (Thu) 17:02:38 No. 3112
>>2000 I think Gelebor mentioned other heroes he met who came to claim Auriel's Bow but failed.
Anonymous 11/20/14 (Thu) 18:35:14 No. 3114
>>1897 > Most live in caves > Regularly slaughtered in the wilderness > Hunted down like animals by the temples > HURF DURF TWILIGHT BAD SO VAMPIRE BAD HURR
Anonymous 11/20/14 (Thu) 19:06:25 No. 3117
>>3109 Why not just join the Companions to get access their weapons, but don't do the quest to become a werewolf and just do the animal control/bouncer/rescue jobs instead?
Anonymous 02/03/15 (Tue) 12:31:24 No. 5103
I just realized, Argonians have been on the hunt to take over the world since the beginning. Talos feared the hist, yet even with his great power was unable to tame them, he had to go about it with a peace treaty, as well as with the Dunmer, who possessed the powers of the fucking heart.>B-BUT MUH DUNMER FOUGHT THEM OFF
Anonymous 02/04/15 (Wed) 05:13:57 No. 5113
Doslo vrijeme da se Dunmeri svete
Sve Hist drvece u oblake lete
Nema An-Xileel I Carstva
Da te opet od Dunmer stite
Džaba piti Histove biljnog soka
Ne spase te ni Hist ni Devet Boga
Jer Dunmer nema nigdje ravna
Dunmer nece nicijega jarma
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nq_J2C6Hrz0
Anonymous 02/08/15 (Sun) 10:32:24 No. 5147
>>5103 >If the argonians wanted the Dunmer dead, they'd be dead Zero indication of anything like that. The Argonians are simply too specialized to conquer anything that isn't a jungle, marsh, swamp etc.. Imagine a bunch of confused half-naked lizards trying to swim in the rivers of Red Mountain.
Anonymous 02/08/15 (Sun) 17:02:22 No. 5150
>>5147 Fairly certain the literal representation of hell isn't a jungle.
>But it is in the lore So is Cyrodiil, doesn't mean it didn't become generic bullshit after Oblivion.
Also the book was written after Oblivion, which means the argonians fought in open battlegrounds surrounded by lava and shit in an environment so far from their own that it's amazing they didn't all die.
Anonymous 02/11/15 (Wed) 11:47:32 No. 5199
>>5147 if dagon himself can't handle a gaggle of pissed off lizards what stops them from taking over tameriel?
Anonymous 02/13/15 (Fri) 14:16:33 No. 5253
>>5150 Argonians in Argonia are a hivemind controlled by the Hist, and I doubt Dagon knew that or gave much of a fuck about it. The Hero of Cyrodiil could close portals on his own, imagine hundreds of fanatic lizardmen with no concern for their own lives swarming over whatever disgraced churls were sent to invade the endless swamplands and jungles of Argonia. It's not like the Sigil Stones were very far removed from the portals either. As comparing it to invading a huge province, it's like an excursion where you never lose sight of the border.
>>5199 What stopped the Viet Cong from taking over Asia during the 60's?
Anonymous 07/06/15 (Mon) 01:16:33 No. 7765
>>1955
>But Morrowind's was purely a huge pain in the ass.
It's almost like there's a reason for it being called a CURSE, or something.