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Help? theoryfag 10/19/14 (Sun) 21:36:04 No. 1686
Is there any evidence that men or mer can be turned into animals?
Anonymous 10/20/14 (Mon) 00:17:45 No. 1705
that one septim bastard turned into a dragon once
theoryfag 10/20/14 (Mon) 00:32:49 No. 1706
>>1705 Just that? Nothing with fur or hair?
54m50n !rFHRbO/sT. 10/20/14 (Mon) 00:46:45 No. 1708
theoryfag 10/20/14 (Mon) 00:55:54 No. 1709
>>1708 Thank you! I've been playing IV&V for hours trying to find something like this!
54m50n !rFHRbO/sT. 10/20/14 (Mon) 01:18:48 No. 1711
>>1709 also, see
http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Wabbajack and there's probably a few more examples, I just can't remember them
Anonymous 10/20/14 (Mon) 06:21:43 No. 1749
There's literally College of Winterhold quest in Skyrim where the player gets turned into a bunch of animals. That Dunmer student asks you to be a test subject for her new spell and goofs it up repeatedly.
Anonymous 10/20/14 (Mon) 08:45:04 No. 1755
>>1753 I think you mean Oblivion. Skyrim lore was B
Oblivion F
Anonymous 10/20/14 (Mon) 09:37:43 No. 1756
>>1755 The factions in Skyrim were Z at best.
Anonymous 10/20/14 (Mon) 09:46:40 No. 1757
>>1753 Gotta agree with
>>1755 in part here. A lot of the flak Skyrim got lore-wise seems to have come from people who were still gun-shy after Oblivion's "transcription error" and related white-washing.
Don't get me wrong, there was some obvious bullshit in Skyrim… (Fuck safe Keening, fuck Thu'um = dragon language and fuck giving three fucking Elder Scrolls to the same fucking main character)
Just saying that we as a lore community were much better equipped for Skyrim's bullshit.
The only coherent answer to Tolkein-Cyrodiil is "because CHIM". That should never have to happen.
Lorkhatosh 10/20/14 (Mon) 09:53:41 No. 1758
>>1753 >>1757 Keening was not a lore error
It was cracked and broken
Thu'um being Dragon language is not a fuck up, nor is it a retcon, that's just called creating new lore
Skyrim has no major lore problems other than Volkihar which is a straight up lore rape
Anonymous 10/20/14 (Mon) 10:15:57 No. 1761
>>1758 I'll have to concede with Keening, hadn't remembered that. Can't say it doesn't still bug me, but that's not important.
Pretty sure Thu'um was a retcon though. Wasn't Kyne the origin before Skyrim came out? Breath of Kyne = breath of life, so life = being big and boisterous and loud. A Nord's liveliness was directly proportional to the power of their breath, their voice. Live it up with brawls and songs and cries of war and you become a stronger Nord. It was a simple, elegant metaphysical explanation for Nordic culture before TES:V decided it wanted the main character to be even more of a special snowflake.
You're right about the Volkihar. The whole Dawnguard DLC really.
Lorkhatosh 10/20/14 (Mon) 11:53:34 No. 1765
>>1761 Kyne is still the origin and how men learned about it
And it's still about spiritual strength and Nord culture, not to mention that lorewise even before Skyrim Jurgen Windcaller existed and it's correct that he made Thu'um a monastery thing so it was already rare before Skyrim. Plus to be honest I just like tying Tonal Architecture to Aka and all that
Dawnguard DLC was pure shit other than Falmer stuff
Lorkhatosh 10/20/14 (Mon) 11:55:28 No. 1766
>>1765 >>1761 actually now that I think about it there Kyne being tied to Thu'um is more from Skyrim then pre-Skyrim
pre-Skyrim thu'um was a thing mentioned in Sermons, PGE and not much else
Anonymous 10/20/14 (Mon) 21:02:48 No. 1790
>>1766 Hell, maybe I have the timeline mixed up in my head. I do remember being really confused when Skyrim's Shouting mechanic was being revealed. For reference, PGE1, The Five Songs of King Wulfharth, The Arcturian Heresy and Varieties of Faith (And maybe Children of the Sky if you want to really stretch it) all associate Kyne with Thu'um. Though some indirectly, of course. PGE1 and Children of the Sky look like where I was getting most of the "Thu'um influence on culture" from.
And I'll argue that Kyne's new role in offering men the Thu'um is very different than the way it seemed to be described in the past. Thu'um as a literal expression of life as breath isn't the same as Thu'um as borrowed/stolen timespace language. Even if the Nords think Thu'um is the former, it changes the whole dynamic and adds too little to anything that existed before Skyrim introduced all that Dragon-lore. I feel like it's a solution to a problem that never existed.
THAT SAID this isn't me arguing that Skyrim was a lore-clusterfuck. Like I said in my response to the other Anon, we as a lore community were able to handle all this pretty well.
Also even though I personally don't like the direction they took with Thu'um, I do like the Tonal Architecture/Aka connection. Especially now that your namesake is so well entrenched in the collective lore-buff consciousness.
Lorkhatosh 10/21/14 (Tue) 12:30:58 No. 1799
>>1790 eah
Actually to be honest I didn't really care about Tonal Architecture until Skyrim came up, I mean I have heard about Tonal high chiefs and all that mentioned in books, like Kagrenac, but thu'um and Arniel's quest was what really got me interested in it
And I think this is true even for MK and community in general, he started talking more about Tonal Architecture after Skyrim
That being said even Oblivion is not as bad as people claim it to be, I mean Cyrodiilic lore was fucked not only because of muh Jungle, but also from cultural aspect which was very simplified, but Oblivion had some really good lore here and there.
Anonymous 10/21/14 (Tue) 15:43:28 No. 1803
>>1799 A lot of our more detailed stuff definitely came out of post-Skyrim discussion, you got that right. Either way I think I got the topic way off-track, so here's more animal transformation.
There's a good one from TES: Redguard. A set of stone pads scattered throughout the island of Stros M'kai that are basically that game's fast travel system. Offer a Canah feather at one and Cyrus gets changed into a Canah, flies to another pad in the direction he is facing, then transforms back.
There's also a part in the main plotline where Cyrus gets turned into a goblin, but I dunno if that's quite the same thing. Pretty sure Goblins have white souls at least.
Anonymous 10/22/14 (Wed) 18:35:39 No. 1862
The khajiit are a race mer that got turned into cats. They are even referred to as "kinsmer"
Anonymous 10/25/14 (Sat) 05:22:54 No. 2038
>>1761 >>1765 What was Volkihar before skyrim?
Lorkhatosh 10/25/14 (Sat) 05:23:53 No. 2039
>>2038 Ice Vampires that sleep in frozen rivers and waiting for people to come near ice or whatever and jump out pulling them down
They also could breathe ice I think
Anonymous 10/25/14 (Sat) 05:40:12 No. 2042
>>2039 Man, that's wicked sick.
I can see why they changed it to generic van helsing garbage
Anonymous 10/25/14 (Sat) 11:23:19 No. 2049
>>2039 Only Todd Howard could think of something this retarded.
Anonymous 05/02/15 (Sat) 12:08:46 No. 6816
>no one said Ayyleids yet
Filth
Anonymous 05/03/15 (Sun) 20:25:34 No. 6844
>>2049
Like a third of the creatures in Skyrim can use the frost breath shout, why would vampires doing it be retarded?
Anonymous 05/04/15 (Mon) 01:17:49 No. 6850
>>6844
In, not out. Retard.
Anonymous 05/16/15 (Sat) 20:53:14 No. 7087
>>6850
Are you implying that Vampires need to breath?
Anonymous 05/17/15 (Sun) 01:03:58 No. 7098
>>7087
They always have in the games, and they've only gotten more human as the gay Twilight shit rolled on.
Anonymous 06/01/15 (Mon) 20:57:51 No. 7445
>>1686
Ayleid had some level of transformation into birds, whether that was shapeshifting or them turning into a beast race isn't clear though.
Anonymous 06/01/15 (Mon) 21:44:08 No. 7447
ITT: Muh Lore ;_;
Can't you faggots enjoy anything?
Anonymous 06/01/15 (Mon) 22:27:09 No. 7451
>>7447
I enjoy my chinese romans in jungle. Not Oblivion
Anonymous 06/01/15 (Mon) 23:00:08 No. 7452
>>7447
Lore is love, Lore is life.
Anonymous 06/02/15 (Tue) 00:12:46 No. 7455
Anonymous 06/02/15 (Tue) 00:51:34 No. 7456
>>7455
But that's bullshit, because you lot don't enjoy it. You just bitch and piss and moan about "muh made-up lore" of other games, crying that some games aren't "canon". Pro-tip: All games are canon. Get the fuck over it.
Anonymous 06/02/15 (Tue) 01:10:39 No. 7458
>>7456
>not seeing the fun and joy of being an absolute autist
Anonymous 06/02/15 (Tue) 02:35:46 No. 7460
>>7456
Only Morrowind is canon. There are no other games and never have been. Morrowind and its lore are a series constant delirium inspiring orgasms that started in 2002 and will end when I die, only to be replaced by a slightly less explosive but still very enjoyable feeling of warmth and happiness as I assume the role of a Dunmeri peasant girl with a crush on the Nerevarine in 3E 428 during the afterlife.
Anonymous 06/02/15 (Tue) 06:52:56 No. 7461
>>7456
We're only so livid about Oblivion because we remember the spasms of ecstasy when enjoying the old Oblivion lore.
Your indifference shows your lack of emotional connection to the lore.
Anonymous 06/02/15 (Tue) 16:04:17 No. 7466
>>7456
With this argument you mine as well say the Star Wars prequels were just as good as the Original Trilogy.
Anonymous 06/02/15 (Tue) 21:50:11 No. 7479
>>7466
Fuck Star Wars, I don't give a shit about this derpy aliens.
>>7461
Yes, I have a lack of emotional connection to the lore. I don't give a rat's ass about the lore. Games are for fun. It isn't real.
>>7460
You hear that? Canon isn't fucking real. It's just pixelated graphics to replace life as a fantasy setting. Get over it.
(SUCK MY MUATRA)
Anonymous 06/02/15 (Tue) 22:39:21 No. 7483
>>7479
>lore isn't fun
Fuck off fetcher
Anonymous 06/02/15 (Tue) 22:55:35 No. 7484
>>7479
Say that to my face when I'm a humble Dunmeri peasant girl, fkr.
Anonymous 06/03/15 (Wed) 21:17:23 No. 7494
>>7479
>You hear that? Canon isn't fucking real. It's just pixelated graphics to replace life as a fantasy setting
You're lying anon…
Anonymous 06/03/15 (Wed) 21:36:39 No. 7496
>>7479
>Canon isn't fucking real
>I can't into metaphysics, theology, political intrigue, combat strategies, historical research/revisionism, racial conflict, hypothetical anthropology, etc.
It is apparent to all involved that you are boisterous and aggressive to compensate for your philistine manner, presumed lack of physical prowess and plebeian birth.
Anonymous 06/04/15 (Thu) 06:15:04 No. 7504
>>7479
>Comes to a board made for "Lengthy, in depth discussions and arguments on The Elder Scrolls video games, texts and lore."
>Posts this shit
Why are you even here?