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Seen any elves? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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 No.238

Starting with maps of universe

 No.239

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This one is probably the most correct one. Not great for eyes though

 No.240

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That's it

 No.241

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Gnostic one

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Nirn maps

 No.243

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This one is by Lady N

 No.244

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Fanmap; Akavir not geographically correct

 No.245

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Tamriel maps; first three are fan maps, last one from Elder Scrolls 1: Arena

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First one is from Oblivion

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Political map from 4E 201
Political fractions
Game settings
Game largeness

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just for shit and giggles

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Oblivion map

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First one is a map from early development

 No.260

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 No.351

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I am monitoring this thread

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>>351
As am I. I love me some maps.

 No.437

>>245
Question about that first map: What are those islands south of Yokuda?

 No.438

>>437
Yokuda as well. Well, all of those Yokuda islands are what's left after the continent sunk. None are the main land. Just remnants

 No.448

>>438
Interesting. I thought those bigger islands to the north were all that remained of Yokuda.

 No.469

>>242
>>243

Earth Sciencefetcher here

It seems like Nirn is disproportionately ocean. Wouldn't the world ocean create a globally tropical climate like that of Pangaea, rendering glaciation in skyrim's north impossible? Also, if tamriel is so large, then wouldn't the mountains around cyrodiil create a rain shadow and cyrodiil would become a vast interior desert? Unless the Nibenay channel was level with the tides of course. Even then, the middle east is arid in spite of it's number of seaways. Especially considering the imperial city is at a comparable latitude to the Mediterranean.

 No.499

>>469
>It seems like Nirn is disproportionately ocean
Yeah, it is. Consider also that there's no water god in the whole pantheon. He's simply missing. From lore machinations of MK and Trainwiz, after some fanwanking we've discovered that Ocean themselves are Memory. This means we've patched a big plot hole with crazy lore and it's up in the air as to how it'll be explained in detail in the future.

As for other things you said, I've got no fucking clue. Keep in mind that beth aren't science fetchers and we can create a cop out by saying it's fantasy.

 No.501

>>499
Technically that's from TESO. If you take that as canon, then the ocean gods are Sotha Sil and Hermaeus Mora, the two people most readily associated with memories.

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>>469
>>499
Your observations are valid but I am going to be the fetcher that says
>it's fantasy
In TES planets are planes and laws of physics just do not exist
Planes are warped bubbled of space in Aetherius or Mundus or Oblivion or whatever (which are all larger planes in Aurbis too)
Laws of Physics exist because some very strong Ada forces something to act that way
For example on Nirn and Mundus in general laws of physics and natural order exists because Ehlnofey the Earthbones stabilized themselves into the realm itself and became The Laws. Y'ffre is the reason why forests and fauna in general exists, some other ehlnofey is responsible for gravity etc. Everything you see on Nirn is aspect of some spirit that is sewed into fabric of a plane
In case of Daedric Realms or any singular realms Princes themselves act as one giant Earth Bone and dictate everything, like Malacath who wants his realm to be a giant floating ash pile probably representing his grief over Trinimac.

 No.2149

Stuff

 No.2186

bump

 No.2191

>>501
Vaermina also steals memories, judging from her Skyrim quest.

 No.2226

>>238
Where do the Elder Scrolls fit in here?

 No.2231

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Didn't see this one get posted yet

 No.2232

>>2226
Nirn is the plane where TES games take place

 No.2242

>>2232
Lol, I meant the actual elder scrolls as a item or a force of nature.

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 No.2260

>>2231
Nice one! Saved

 No.2279

>>2249
But where is the window located? At what metaphysical level's interpretation of reality are we sneaking a peak?

 No.2314

>>2279
Since Scrolls seem to be able to predict everything including things that are happening outside of Nirn, it seems that they are on Aurbical level
AS in on par with memory of Godhead
Or maybe they were created together with Mundus by Magnus and somehow they can look outside of Mundus

 No.2315

>>2314
Michael Kirkbride said that there are three Elder Scrolls (past present future probably) deep near Wheels of Lull under White Gold Tower. Rest of the Elder Scrolls are fragments and clones/copies spawned from them apparently.

 No.2316

>>2315
This is a reference to this old abandoned idea for an ARG. I can't remember the exact source.

Basically, the gimmick was that Bethesda Softworks had three Elder Scrolls in their basement, and they used them to glimpse into the world of Tamriel. One of them was broken, which IIRC symbolized how they can't depict Tamriel 100% accurately. There will always be the occasional transcription error, so to say.

 No.2317

>>2316
>>2315
Yeah I remember that on TIL or Bethforums. Neat stuff.
But yeah, I believe that Elder Scrolls are close to MEMORY.

 No.3445

I enjoy maps

 No.3461

>>469
Actually, it was entirely jungle, until Tiber Septim turned it into medieval europe by fucking with Elder Scrolls.

 No.3493

>>242
So what is on Yokuda, Lyg and Atmora?
Didn't at least some people explore these with ships?

 No.3501

>>3493
Some guy in Oblivion mentions there are still ships from Anvil trading with those who dwell at the ruins of Yokuda or whatever.

An expedition ship once found Atmora, but it was completely frozen and lifeless by then.

People don't go to Lyg. Sometimes, Lyg comes to people, and that's when shit gets really bad. It's bled into Tamriel a few times, but those incursions were successfully fended off.

 No.3534

Any other maps of Akivir?

On that note, is there any obscure stuff on that continent that I could read? Stuff beyond the "in-depth" and "inaccurate" lore found on uesp and shit, something that alludes to more truthful information, maybe?

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 No.3542

>>3539
This makes me think that the tsaesci being full-on nagas/snake people isn't quite bullshit. Is that what I'm supposed to be getting from this?

Anything from the Tang Mo? I'd love to read something factual about the brave monkey people.
>inb4 they're redguards

 No.3548

>>3542
Also this interview (http://www.imperial-library.info/content/fireside-chats) has a bit elaborating on the Remanada that says the Tsaesci begin without names, and gain them by eating language.

 No.3549

>>3548

It seems to me that "eating it to become it" is actually quite a central theme in the world of the Tsaesci. Perhaps it's confirmation bias considering we don't know any different occasions, but it should be pointed out that Versidue-Shaie became ruler of Tamriel not simply by killing Reman III, but by first establishing himself in a position - the Potentate - that the Elder Council was more willing to work with than with the Reman/Dor pretenders.
So in a way, Versidue-Shaie "ate" the imperial authority (consolidating it in the title of Akaviri Potentate) to become it.
Perhaps it could be construed that an Enantiomorph was also involved, with Reman III as the King, Versidue-Shaie as the Rebel, and Savirien-Chorak as the Observer. Who knows?
Either way the concept of "eating it to become it" seems to be a Tsaesci interpretation of mantling, or at least analogue or related to it.

>>3539

Part of the Tsaesci creation myth is referenced in Morrowind, in the 36 Lessons of Vivec, Sermon 21:

"the Spokes are the eight components of chaos, as yet solidified by the law of time: static change, if you will, something the lizard gods refer to as the Striking. That is the reptile wheel, coiled potential, ever-preamble to the never-action."

Speaking of the Striking, the 12 serpents that have a name: if I'm not mistaken, the only lore-relevant occurrence of the number 12 in The Elder Scrolls is in the 12+1 constellations; it is then likely no coincidence that the 13th, ostensibly without a name, is the ambulant and predatory Serpent.

 No.3550

>>3549
I'm pretty sure the Twelve Serpents were the Twelve Worlds of Creation from the Anuad.

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>>244
Here's map with Yokuda in its proper place.

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Complete nirn map, 100% canon in my c0la.

 No.5302

>>469
Cyrodile was supposed to be a hot and humid jungle but because bethesda is so shit at creating games they threw away the lore and created a boring and plane game.

 No.5303

>>499
>fantasy
Water actually has memory in the real world.

 No.9539

>>4459

Wow Summerset was part of Yokuda?


 No.9540

>>9539

No, that is a fan made map.


 No.9543

>>240

>>239

Are there competing models to the "wheel and spoke"? To be honest I'm not a big fan of it because it limits oblivion to 16 major entities. I vaguely remember some piece of writing (or an NPC) in the Shivering Isles commenting on the possibility of countless daedra existing in Oblivion, unknown to mortals because they, like Jyggalag, never took interest in the mortal realm. That sounds way more interesting than the "wheel and spoke", which leaves no mysteries intact, and makes the universe feel small and limited.


 No.9544

>>2314

>memory of Godhead

this makes the most sense to me. explains why they "predict the future" (in reality they exist outside of time), and their utterly intractable nature that is not even understood by gods.


 No.9560

>>2231

Is this picture telling me that only 4 daedric princes have realms of oblivion?

And wasn't Sithis the void? How come Oblivion has got a definition of it's own? Is this picture really bad or am I just retarded


 No.9562

>>9560

>Is this picture telling me that only 4 daedric princes have realms of oblivion?

It's only showing the realms that have been heavily covered by the games, and in a simplified manner. Daedric realms can't actually be seen or even fixed to a position. They are each their own domain which are all equally represented by the endless black sea of oblivion.


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>>238

Not using superior version


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Tamriel Rebuilts plans for fast traveling


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>>9603

I always wonder: Why is it called Tamriel rebuilt if it's just actually the province of morrowind?

Why not call it Morrowuind rebuilt, or project resdayn or something?


 No.9609

>>9608

oh fuck me it's actually in their FAQ page, lel. I should have guessed.


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Crossposting from other thread


 No.9754

>>501

Sotha Sil being a seagod is in the sermons though. He dwells in the coral and glass castles of the Dreugh and it's explicitly said that the sea is in his domain as the middle-air is Vivec's and the Stars are Almalexia's

Also

I AM THE SHARMAT

==WHAT I BRING IS=

AN ANCIENT SEA

Dagoth Ur is too, but then Dagoth Ur and Sotha Sil are so up eachother's butt that they share the three horned, golden bearded triclops motif.

>>3542

Tsaesci were once upon a time human but have been replaced by a kind of shapeshifting argonian that eats people to take their place in the mythic, I'm surprised more people haven't noticed that.


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>>9754

>Dagoth Ur is too

No he isn't, Sermon 15 is just Dagoth Ur ego tripping over how he believes he is the highest and holiest honcho who is the center and controller of all things.

>have been replaced by a kind of shapeshifting argonian that eats people to take their place in the mythic

They were always this.




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