Lore Lorefag 09/19/14 (Fri) 12:18:34 No. 4
To support this board, I'll leave some lore in here
Lorefag 09/19/14 (Fri) 12:19:33 No. 5
Here are the alphabets of Falmer(Snow Elves), Dwemer and (unfinished) Ayleid
Lorefag 09/19/14 (Fri) 12:19:51 No. 6
CHIM
Lorefag 09/19/14 (Fri) 12:20:12 No. 7
>>6 Further elaboration on CHIM
Lorefag 09/19/14 (Fri) 12:20:45 No. 8
Here is a short sumary of the six way to achieving Godhood
Lorefag 09/19/14 (Fri) 12:21:45 No. 9
Here's artwork of The 9 Divines from Oblivion
Lorefag 09/19/14 (Fri) 12:22:50 No. 10
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While not completely true and at least a bit misleading, here's a nice sumary of a clusterfuck that is divinity in TES
Lorefag 09/19/14 (Fri) 12:23:21 No. 11
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>>10 Further mussings on the subject
Lorefag 09/19/14 (Fri) 12:24:14 No. 12
Here's a good explanation of what happened between Men and Mer in the Merethic and 1st Eras. Keep in mind that it's a bit biased towards Mer
Lorefag 09/19/14 (Fri) 12:25:49 No. 13
Here's a pretty shallow TL;DR explanation of c0da
Lorefag 09/19/14 (Fri) 12:26:17 No. 14
Explanation of Dreamsleave
Lorefag 09/19/14 (Fri) 12:26:39 No. 15
>>14 And by extension, what happened to Dagoth Ur in Morrowind
Lorefag 09/19/14 (Fri) 12:27:40 No. 16
Lorefag 09/19/14 (Fri) 12:28:39 No. 17
Imperial city is a great Tower because it's built as a picture of existance itself. Pic related.
Lorefag 09/19/14 (Fri) 12:29:38 No. 18
>>17 Here's a short summary of the towers.
Since it's been made, we've learned some more info, but the pic hasn't been updated yet.
Lorefag 09/19/14 (Fri) 12:30:28 No. 19
>>18 Here's a bit more detailed explanation and description of Towers.
Lorefag 09/19/14 (Fri) 12:31:06 No. 20
>>17 Here's a picture of Aedric planets and their motions in Mundus
Lorefag 09/19/14 (Fri) 12:31:51 No. 21
In case someone thinks Khajiit are merely thieves, here's more info about them
Lorefag 09/19/14 (Fri) 12:32:25 No. 22
Mirak was a badass dude. Even more so if you think about his motivations.
Lorefag 09/19/14 (Fri) 12:32:58 No. 23
Here's a description of Great Houses of Morrowind
Lorefag 09/19/14 (Fri) 12:33:27 No. 24
What happened to the Dwemer and Numidium: A Definitive Guide
Lorefag 09/19/14 (Fri) 12:34:02 No. 25
Here's a short discourse about the ending of Oblivion and the meaning of Amulet of Kings
Lorefag 09/19/14 (Fri) 12:34:43 No. 26
Kirkbride was once asked to make a power level list of characters in Elder Scrolls if they were to fight in a fighting game
Lorefag 09/19/14 (Fri) 12:35:20 No. 27
Evolution chart for races/species of Tamriel
Lorefag 09/19/14 (Fri) 12:35:50 No. 28
>>27 And here's an extended and more detailed version
Lorefag 09/19/14 (Fri) 12:36:16 No. 29
Terminology for some things specific to TES
Lorefag 09/19/14 (Fri) 12:36:45 No. 30
Evolution of playable races thru last 20 years
Lorefag 09/19/14 (Fri) 12:37:25 No. 31
Talk about voice in Nords, tonal arhitecture in Dwemer and inner dialogue within Redguards
Lorefag 09/19/14 (Fri) 12:38:04 No. 32
An excerpt from a text by Michael Kirkbride about Zero Sum
Lorefag 09/19/14 (Fri) 12:38:46 No. 33
Here's a constructed timeline of the games. Keep in mind that a lot of this is opinions and conjecture
Lorefag 09/19/14 (Fri) 12:40:11 No. 34
How Cyrodiil was supposed to be before they nerfed it for the casual audience.
Anonymous 09/19/14 (Fri) 14:52:24 No. 35
>>34 you sir
are the niggest keep up the good work
Anonymous 09/19/14 (Fri) 17:08:52 No. 36
Anonymous 09/19/14 (Fri) 19:28:17 No. 37
>>34 I find it weird how they shifted away from the "tropical cyrodiil" thing. Though I get the impression that even in current lore the lower nibenay has a humid, subtropical climate (think gulf coast or florida weather around leyawiin)
Anonymous 09/19/14 (Fri) 21:02:48 No. 38
>>4 You are doing the work of the 9 Divines Lorefetcher
Anonymous 09/21/14 (Sun) 06:29:09 No. 134
>>34 I'd love to wonder and wander around a place like that but I'm not really sure it would be possible to create it even with today's tech let alone when oblivion came out. It would be something like Venice on steroids.
Anonymous 09/21/14 (Sun) 06:36:17 No. 135
>>134 One day anon, one day when fans congregate, this will become a reality. It's too early at least ten or twenty years.
Anonymous 09/21/14 (Sun) 07:09:21 No. 137
Did anybody try getting /tesg/ in here? I think some of them would come gladly come here. Many of them wanted a board specifically for TES for a long ass time. I would do it, but I got banned from halfchan.
Anonymous 09/21/14 (Sun) 08:24:49 No. 141
>>137 No because lore isn't waifus and I ran away from tesg and I'd run away again
Anonymous 09/21/14 (Sun) 08:46:12 No. 142
Me and my friend realized the other day that Talos was going to murder the godhead and become the new one. I think that's what Amaranth is.
Anonymous 09/21/14 (Sun) 11:22:52 No. 146
>>142 Interesting theory, but from my interpretation it's more along the lines that Talos became a proto-Lorkhan and with every new Shezarrine, be it a Talos shezarrine or not, Lorkhan gains more form until he ges restored as a living god.
If we go by c0da, Lorkhan is essential for a new Amaranth to be created, but he/Talos(?) are not the ones who make it.
Anonymous 09/21/14 (Sun) 11:33:09 No. 147
>>6 The player's character, themself, may not have CHIM, but the player kind of has. We can mod our own little versions of the games and even cheat in them as much as we want. In that way, we are using CHIM. We realize that our character does not exist, but WE do.
I've always seen CHIM as Bethesda's way of making even the modding process semi-canon.
Anonymous 09/21/14 (Sun) 11:42:48 No. 148
>>147 That's not what CHIM is though. CHIM has a canonical ingame explanation and is a part of Godhead's dream. Godhead himself lives in a world where CHIM would not work. That's the framework of the games and lore; in the setting there's a place where CHIM wouldn't work, so it isn't an explanation for player's agency due to the fact that between player and CHIM is another layer of the world/setting where CHIM stops being a thing.
Anonymous 09/21/14 (Sun) 12:50:47 No. 150
>>146 Interesting. I'll have to talk with him about that.
Initially I thought it might be more that Lorkhan and Talos are the same being and they slowly coalesce back into one as they murder the godhead.
Also I asked him who the previous godhead murdered to become the current one and he replied that it was Bethesda. I thought that was amusing.
Anonymous 09/21/14 (Sun) 12:52:32 No. 151
>>150 >Also I asked him who the previous godhead murdered to become the current one and he replied that it was Bethesda Good one
Anonymous 09/21/14 (Sun) 15:56:05 No. 157
contributing
>>142 sorry but that is a shitty theory because of one simple fact
Godhead is Aurbical, he isn't bound to Mundus, he is above it
Destruction of Towers doesn't really phase Anu
Plus according to C0DA next amaranth is fucking Jubal-Suls and Vivecs flower child
>>146 This
>>150 You are ignoring how previous Godhead happened
He didn't murder anyone, Anu saw Padomay maim Nir and then went to Sleep inside of The Sun
Godhead didn't murder anyone, he was the witness or at least that's how it is if you want to believe Kirkbride and texts he has wrote both ingame and out of game
Anonymous 09/21/14 (Sun) 15:57:40 No. 158
time and shit
Anonymous 09/21/14 (Sun) 15:59:05 No. 159
whats with the>flood detected
Anonymous 09/21/14 (Sun) 16:03:32 No. 160
walking ways n shit
Anonymous 09/21/14 (Sun) 16:03:54 No. 161
Aurbis
Anonymous 09/21/14 (Sun) 16:04:05 No. 162
More aurbis
Anonymous 09/21/14 (Sun) 16:04:18 No. 163
Even more Aurbis
Anonymous 09/21/14 (Sun) 16:04:33 No. 164
shitty paint image
Anonymous 09/21/14 (Sun) 16:04:45 No. 165
Dwemer stuff
Anonymous 09/21/14 (Sun) 16:05:06 No. 166
>>165 No this is Dwemer stuff
that was an Elder Scroll
Anonymous 09/21/14 (Sun) 16:05:32 No. 167
Nirn by Lady N
Anonymous 09/21/14 (Sun) 16:05:56 No. 168
>>167 >inb4 what is lyg read Commentaries
Anonymous 09/21/14 (Sun) 16:06:37 No. 169
daedric
Anonymous 09/21/14 (Sun) 16:06:49 No. 170
dragon
Anonymous 09/21/14 (Sun) 16:07:00 No. 171
Dwemeris
Anonymous 09/21/14 (Sun) 16:07:15 No. 172
Ehlnofex
Anonymous 09/21/14 (Sun) 16:07:26 No. 173
Language relations
Anonymous 09/21/14 (Sun) 16:08:35 No. 174
Adamowicz version of basic races
Anonymous 09/21/14 (Sun) 16:08:51 No. 175
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Deities
Anonymous 09/21/14 (Sun) 16:09:29 No. 176
All known TES races
Anonymous 09/21/14 (Sun) 16:09:41 No. 177
Khajiit lunar latice
Anonymous 09/21/14 (Sun) 16:09:58 No. 178
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Population charts
Anonymous 09/21/14 (Sun) 16:10:26 No. 179
M Xarxes
Anonymous 09/21/14 (Sun) 16:10:34 No. 180
Translations
Anonymous 09/21/14 (Sun) 16:10:44 No. 181
more translations
Anonymous 09/21/14 (Sun) 16:11:53 No. 182
Wulf dialogue in Morrowind
Anonymous 09/21/14 (Sun) 16:12:07 No. 183
pelinal
Anonymous 09/21/14 (Sun) 16:20:15 No. 187
>>180 >>181 Which book are these?
I recognise them from Oblivion
Anonymous 09/21/14 (Sun) 16:23:35 No. 188
>>187 It is a translation of Mysterium Xarxes
One of the most important books in TES
Anonymous 09/21/14 (Sun) 16:50:56 No. 189
>>188 Fuck, I've been thinking it's Commentaries, but I know commentaries don't look like that and I haven't touched Oblivion in years. What a foolish mistake and a question to ask
Anonymous 09/21/14 (Sun) 17:06:26 No. 190
>>6 So is are the gold titles the only in-universe resources on CHIM, or are there more books that talk about it?
Anonymous 09/21/14 (Sun) 17:21:36 No. 191
>>190 Vivec's sermons in Morrowind describe CHIM, but don't name the concept with this name.
Commentaries on Mysterious Xarxes in Oblivion do though:
>" ==CHIM== . Those who know it can reshape the land. Witness the home of the Red King Once Jungled. " Then Heimskr in Skyrim yells shit about Talos, among other stuff, saying how he achieved Royality (which is translation of what CHIM means into our language)
Anonymous 09/21/14 (Sun) 17:53:02 No. 192
>>190 Do I have to list that shit again?
>Sermons >Commentaries on Mysterium Xarxes >Many Headed Talos mention it more or less directly
Walking Dreams
Anuad
Monomyth
and basically any other metaphysical book ever mention it through Godhead and Aurbis
Anonymous 09/21/14 (Sun) 17:55:07 No. 193
>>190 is it BTFO o'clock?
>http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Mythic_Dawn_Commentaries >Woe to the Oath-breakers! Of the skin of gold, the Xarxes Mysteriuum says "Be fooled not by the forlorn that ride astray the roadway, for they lost faith and this losing was caused by the Aedra who would know no other planets." Whereby the words of Lord Dagon instructs us to destroy these faithless. "Eat or bleed dry the gone-forlorn and gain that small will that led them to walk the path of Godhead at the first. Spit out or burn to the side that which made them delay. Know them as the Mnemoli." >CHIM. Those who know it can reshape the land. Witness the home of the Red King Once Jungled. >http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Dragonborn:Black_Book:_Waking_Dreams_(book) >The eyes, once bleached by falling stars of utmost revelation, will forever see the faint insight drawn by the overwhelming question, as only the True Enquiry shapes the edge of thought. The rest is vulgar fiction, attempts to impose order on the consensus mantlings of an uncaring GODHEAD >http://www.imperial-library.info/content/many-headed-talos >You have suffered for me to win this throne, and I see how you hate jungle. Let me show you the power of Talos Stormcrown, born of the North, where my breath is long winter. I breathe now, in royalty, and reshape this land which is mine. I do this for you, Red Legions, for I love you. >http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:The_Annotated_Anuad >Anu, grieving, hid himself in the sun and >>>>>>SLEPT<<<<<<< >http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Morrowind:The_36_Lessons_of_Vivec >The waking world is the amnesia of dream. All motifs can be mortally wounded. Once slain, themes turn into the structure of future nostalgia. Do not abuse your powers or they will lead you astray. They will become lost and resentful and finally become pregnant with the seed of folly. Soon you will be the grandparent of a broken state. You will be mocked. It will fall apart like a stone that recalls that it is really water.
Anonymous 09/22/14 (Mon) 00:23:06 No. 206
>>168 You should include Ayleid grammar rules. Also those vocab lists from UESP are incomplete, we know more from Calcelmo's stone for example.
>>193 Who did you BTFO?
Anonymous 09/22/14 (Mon) 08:48:58 No. 235
yokudan star map
Anonymous 09/22/14 (Mon) 13:33:38 No. 313
Mods fucking sticky this and other info threads
Anonymous 09/22/14 (Mon) 13:40:27 No. 319
Time
Anonymous 09/22/14 (Mon) 17:37:17 No. 331
Reading this thread get to about half way.Mind = blown
Anonymous 09/22/14 (Mon) 17:39:22 No. 332
>>331 There's much much more. Just ask and we'll tell you the full story behind stuff
Anonymous 09/22/14 (Mon) 21:41:50 No. 337
>>331 tons and tons more
huge fantasy and /tg/ fetcher here
TES is honestly on par with Planescape and Malazan for me
Anonymous 09/23/14 (Tue) 04:58:40 No. 372
>>319 This is good. But is Landfall inevitable? Or can TalOS and Vivec delay it indefinitely so that everyone worthy of godhood can ascend n their footsteps, to become gods shaped by their free will?
Anonymous 09/23/14 (Tue) 09:55:20 No. 399
>>372 >Or can TalOS and Vivec delay it indefinitely so that everyone worthy of godhood can ascend n their footsteps, to become gods shaped by their free will? Maybe
In timeline that Michael Kirkbride likes it is inevitable though
It ends pretty well though, Anui-El and Sithis are healed through Akatosh and Lorkhan
New Amaranth is created
etc.
LORKHATOSH 09/23/14 (Tue) 10:01:33 No. 401
I will post screens from what I consider to be the most important books from metaphysical perspective
Anonymous 09/23/14 (Tue) 13:18:51 No. 418
>>417 Here are most of the books in TES as of Skyrim
Anonymous 09/23/14 (Tue) 13:19:10 No. 419
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Anonymous 09/23/14 (Tue) 13:21:41 No. 423
>>422 This one is very important
If you decode it, it reads
>"He was not born a god. His destiny did not lead him to this crime. He chose this path of his own free will. He stole the godhood and murdered the Hortator. Vivec wrote this."
Anonymous 09/23/14 (Tue) 13:24:41 No. 426
>>425 Pay attention
>he slept
Anonymous 09/23/14 (Tue) 14:09:51 No. 433
>>421 >KINMUNE Isn't important, or even relevant to anything but Online, which is an atrocity that deserves to die and be forgotten.
Anonymous 09/23/14 (Tue) 14:36:36 No. 435
>>433 >buttmad anti-KINMUNE fetcher
Anonymous 09/23/14 (Tue) 18:31:37 No. 460
So the consensus here is that Colonel Sanders is a fetcher and that TESO is non-canon correct?
Anonymous 09/24/14 (Wed) 04:53:13 No. 498
>>460 Reddit considers it canon, however, into Oblivion it goes.
Imperial Library is divided but they consider it canon because they're casuals.
Ask any lorefetcher on Yokuda though and they'll get mad if you even consider it. We have our own thing, so yes, we don't consider online canon at all. I'd like mod to confirm this.
LORKHATOSH 09/24/14 (Wed) 11:44:48 No. 503
>>498 I can't say that lorefetchers on Yokuda don't consider it canon…I mean there are some good texts here and there but it's not even about canon, canon is a shitty idea especially in fantasy settings
It's about the simple fact that a lot of stuff in TESO is just very badly written, especially main quest and faction quests that ignore a lot of lore and/or reshape it because hard to do in MMO (As in too lazy to innovate)
Trainwiz 09/24/14 (Wed) 20:10:47 No. 518
>>503 It's not just about being badly written (regular TES is guilty of that), it's just…
Uninteresting. Like we have the adamantium tower look like a clone of White-Gold Tower, they don't try to be original or creative.
Anonymous 09/24/14 (Wed) 21:46:57 No. 523
>>518 From what I've seen from screenshots, cities in Summurset Isle look like cities from Cyrodiil and ruins in Summurset Isle look like Ayleid ruins from Cyrodiil.
Because apparently "glass and insect wings" is just a fanciful exaggeration according to Schick. The Telvanni have cities of mushrooms, the Bosmer have cities of trees, but somehow it's far-fetched for the Thalmor's palace in Alinor to be a fancy crystal spire?
Anonymous 09/24/14 (Wed) 21:59:23 No. 525
>>162 Is it weird that I imagine a "TES: 40K" where you can travel from one plane to another aboard a starship?
Anonymous 09/25/14 (Thu) 02:45:16 No. 529
>>498 >reddit considers it canon Granted, reddit considers "canon" to be a concept that doesnt even exist and the word "fanfiction" is enough to derail a thread and get banned over there…
Anonymous 09/25/14 (Thu) 07:43:08 No. 538
>>525 Not strange at all
Read pocket Guide to The Empire about Sun Birds and Mananouts of Reman Empire.
Empire and Altmer had realm conquering space program and they went to moons with SunBirds and Mothships.
Empire built a space colony with portals to all sorts of realms later on the edge of mundus called Battlespire.
Anonymous 09/25/14 (Thu) 11:00:45 No. 547
I've read all the books and done all the lore stuff, I've been part of discussions for at least two years now, if not more. I wanted to know though, do we have any good theories as to what the argonians are up to? The hist as well, I find the regular CHIM, Talos, Vievec, and dunmer lorefapping to be getting a bit stale for my taste, and while I've delved into the stuff relating to the redguard, I just don't find the fire that really spurred me on like I used to. Seeing as the argonians are some of the last "unknown" things about the world, I was wondering if we had a dump of images about it, as to what big plans they might be having.
Lorkhatosh 09/25/14 (Thu) 12:10:18 No. 548
>>547 Read TES novels and some books from TESO (I know, I hate TESO too but it did add some neat stuff about Argonians)
From all the information that we have gathered HIST originally had their own fucking plane of Oblivion even and Black Marsh is chunk of that plane that got melded into Nirn
All of Argonians are part of a giant HIST oversoul and all of their souls are souls of HIST hivemind that HIST give to baby Argonians through sap at birth
HIST hivemind itself is like a universe with souls spinning in it and shit
If HIST want to they can make non Saxhleel Argonians by injecting HIST souls into them
JEL is a telepathic language
etc.
Lots of neat stuff about Argonians
>Argonian Hist ships flying above the abyss in the ninth (?) era fighting the dragontits in space, does anybody ever question why they were there? Or their shocking absence in C0DA? To be fair I think that
A) They were fighting just because MK wanted some cool space fight and HIST are some of the most spacy stuff out there
B) They are missing just like most of the cultures because MK forgot to mention them in C0DA
Anonymous 09/26/14 (Fri) 14:02:04 No. 598
>>33 How do you know that stuff after Skyrim?
Lorkhatosh 09/26/14 (Fri) 15:49:57 No. 600
>>598 We know some stuff that will happen in future and can predict it from different books, but that is common in TES for example I can bring shit ton of sources for Oblivion Crisis that predates Oblivion and is in Morrowind
We also "know" supposed ending of TES material plane and ascention to Amaranth
It's called C0DA and it's is "fanfiction" that is partially written by Kurt Kuhlmann a TES writer and a famous contract/ex-writer Michael Kirkbride
To be fair it's not a fanfiction and more of a what if future that has strong basis in real TES lore and is approved by Beth
Anonymous 09/27/14 (Sat) 00:08:15 No. 609
ARE YOU FUCKING SERIOUS, THE OBLIVION GATE SYMBOL MEANS O FOR OBLIVION GOD DAMN
Anonymous 09/27/14 (Sat) 06:22:59 No. 616
Anonymous 09/27/14 (Sat) 18:03:05 No. 633
>>616 I literally had no idea
Lorkhatosh 09/28/14 (Sun) 12:26:22 No. 709
Anonymous 10/02/14 (Thu) 21:17:58 No. 944
>>609 So effectively the portals for other daedric planes are the Daedric Princes initials then?
Anonymous 10/02/14 (Thu) 23:19:00 No. 950
>>944 That might just be Mehrunes Dagon being a fruitcake.
Also the Oht symbol is conveniently shaped similar to a gate so
Anonymous 10/02/14 (Thu) 23:23:19 No. 951
>>944 Actually wait it doesn't even matter because O wouldn't be his initials anyway and Oblivion is just a general team for any daedric realm. Mehrunes Dagon's realm is called the deadlands.
Anonymous 10/06/14 (Mon) 05:18:26 No. 1073
>>1061 >Anuad and Monomyth state that Anu went to sleep in the sun and after that point whole Aurbical story starts >MK himself stated Anu is Godhead >ANUad, as in ANU >GEEE WIZZ PLAYER IS GODHEAD
Anonymous 10/07/14 (Tue) 13:42:27 No. 1127
The Dwemer are Numidium?
Lorkhatosh 10/07/14 (Tue) 17:08:00 No. 1136
>>1127 >Why is there still one left? Because he was in a realm called "Plot Device"
> What should it have mattered where he was at the time? Because Tonal Resonance is a Mundus thing, Oblivion realms are outside of Mundus you silly and even if Tonal laws themselves work outside of Mundus they are still in different spheres.
>What about the Dwemer ghosts you can find? A) They are more than likely ghosts of previous Dwemer, you know the ones that died before Numidium.
B) They also can be shades not Ghosts. Do Arniel's endeavor, when he breaks down because of Tonal Architecture he leaves a shade that you can summon. Those shades are more than likely just some sort of Adic leftovers after mortal form is broken.
>Those are souls. There are many types of Ghost like things that are not souls. And you you even know how souls work in TES? Because no one really does.
>Falion says he's met Dwemer. Yes, if he even met Dwemer he states that they were outside of Mundus so they could escape Tonal Effects like Yagrum Bagarn. Probably some Dwemer expedition or something, though I suspect he is bullshitting.
>Why am I to believe a race that had split into three different geographical locations and were each dealing with separate problems, all had complete unity of purpose not just in overall goal, but in method You don't have to believe that. But I don't think that Tonal Architecture laws or Kagrenac cared about other Dwemer and what they thought, hell even Dumac didn't know much about Kagrenac's experiments.
> What about Calcelmo, who insists the Dwemer didn't all disappear at once? Dude, here is his direct quote
>Yes. Their history and culture is all around us in Markarth. A race of stonecutters, artisans, and engineers. They invented machines and built elaborate underground cities where they researched powers to rival the gods themselves. And then, at a time we are still not sure when, they disappeared. The whole people, all at once. Leaving behind only their works >all at once Calcelmo never said that Dwemer did not disappear all at once, he just said in his books that there is no proof that they didn't disappear gradually and by that he means that he has no proof of that. He is personally indecisive and proposes an alternative if anything.
>I've never believed this theory, and instead believe Calcelmo. They fucked up at Red Mountain, but I have no reason to believe it did what the Numidium theory entails, nor do I believe in that moment the Dwemer were wiped from the entire planet. Okay sure believe whatever you want to believe. But at least Numidium theorists have actual evidence because Arniel indeed broke down because of Tonal Architecture and got fused into nearest Shezzarinic like thing, you know, the Dragonborn.
AncestorMoth 10/07/14 (Tue) 21:49:14 No. 1146
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>>1136 Ah, thanks for the explanation on what happens to good old Arnie.
So the Dovahkiin is both a Dragonborn and a Shezzarine? That makes no… Wait, no, that makes perfect sense. Lorkhan and Aka are one and the same, two sides of one septim (see what I said there? ;) ), so the avatar of the 'coin' that is both Aka and Lorkhan would be both a Dragonborn and a Shezzarine.
Anonymous 10/08/14 (Wed) 02:49:03 No. 1151
>>1136 tbh I didn't expect a reply. Though if I were to receive a reply, I'd have expected a better answer to Yagrum Bagarn than "plot device." I recall a theory that he was intentionally left, though I can't remember why.
I figure he must have been, because the "Tonal Resonance is a Mundus thing" is a bullshit excuse. It true, but also irrelevant to what my point was, albeit, I didn't expect a reply so I didn't word myself well. If the goal was to affect the whole Dwemer race, and was so all encompassing and irreversible, I would expect it to affect the very idea of the race. Yagrum Bagarn should have showed up on Mundus again and immediately disappeared. Since he didn't, I can think two things. It was a one off affect, or an exception was built for him. If the former, then that would imply to me that there's no significant obstacle to undue Numidium, because it implies there are no affects outside of Numidium itself, enforcing what happened. This would be contrary to the standard theory that what happened to the Dwemer is completely irreversible.
I should get that out of the way right now too actually. It's not so much the very basic idea I have a problem with, as it is the convoluted system of reasoning and motivations and events that most Loremasters think happened here. There are problems with "the whole account," not necessarily the idea that "some Dwemer are Numidium." Especially because every explanation is all about "The dwemer" or "the dwarves" not just "some dwarves" or "this happened." I question a unity of purpose for example, because everybody talks about the race as if this existed. People tend to talk about every race like this actually.
I know the ghosts are ghosts of previous Dwemer. But they are not shades, whatever you think the difference is anyway. They are very clearly ghosts. The names of them in the game are "Dwarven Spectre," the ids refer to them as ghosts, they drop ectoplasm. They're goddamned ghosts.
Besides, your explanation doesn't make any sense. The standard explanation for Arniel's quest implies he de-constructed himself and bound to you. So what does this have to do with Dwemer ghosts you find in Morrowind? Are you saying that some Dwemer prior to Numidium were de-constructed and bound to, what exactly? Nothing, Arniel's endeavour has nothing to do with this question. The question being, why are there ghosts left if Numidium cared about all the souls? If you want to say the very-obviously-ghosts are not ghosts and are not souls, why would I even believe that? It sounds like a completely ad hoc justification, nothing more.
I know Falion says he's met Dwemer outside of Mundus. With this, the problem arises with what Vivec said, which was "I have no sense of them in the timeless divine world outside of mortal time." Either he was being deliberately hyper specific so as to be obtuse, or he or Falion is lying. Considering I trust Vivec about as much as I can throw him, I'm going to assume Vivec is lying.
I have a problem with the "Tonal Architecture laws and Kagrenac didn't care about other Dwemer." Specifically, why wouldn't Kagrenac care? Actually let me back up. Numidium either needed all the souls to fulfil its intended function, or it didn't. If it did, funny how there was one who wouldn't be affected somehow, and this one was in the same area. Kagrenac would have to have cared about where everybody was on Mundus or else he'd be doomed to certain failure. Or two, not all the souls are needed. Then you'd think he'd care about those groups separate from him, insomuch as they are not involved and shouldn't be made into Numidium either because he could fuck up, or they aren't worthy. Overall I'd suspect this points to Kagrenac not being the one who hit the heart, or if he did, he failed in his intention.
And here's a direct quote from The Lost Race of Tamriel, Vol III, which Calcelmo wrote. "For instance, while we can say with absolute certainty that the disappearance of the entire dwarven race happened very suddenly, only the laziest of junior scholars would say that this event happened in the same day or even the same hour."
Which means by "all at once" he probably means "very quickly," not "universally instantaneously." I think your interpretation of the books is obviously incorrect due to this. It would be ridiculous to say "Only lazy scholars believe X, there's no solid evidence to say Y didn't happen, but I believe X." Why would anybody say that?
What I personally think is Numidimum only accounts for about half the disappearance, and not all the Dwemer souls were made into Numidium. There are too many problems with the interpretation that they all were.
Lorkhatosh 10/08/14 (Wed) 11:40:14 No. 1164
>>1151 >I figure he must have been, because the "Tonal Resonance is a Mundus thing" is a bullshit excuse. It true, but also irrelevant to what my point was, albeit, I didn't expect a reply so I didn't word myself well. If the goal was to affect the whole Dwemer race, and was so all encompassing and irreversible, I would expect it to affect the very idea of the race. Yagrum Bagarn should have showed up on Mundus again and immediately disappeared. Since he didn't, I can think two things. It was a one off affect, or an exception was built for him. If the former, then that would imply to me that there's no significant obstacle to undue Numidium, because it implies there are no affects outside of Numidium itself, enforcing what happened. This would be contrary to the standard theory that what happened to the Dwemer is completely irreversible. You are speaking as if anyone fully understands how Tonal Architecture works. Many things including even Corprus could have somehow affected Tonal effect on Yagrum.
Again we basically do not know ANYTHING about Tonal Architecture, other than that it exists and can apparently change and break down stuff.
>I should get that out of the way right now too actually. It's not so much the very basic idea I have a problem with, as it is the convoluted system of reasoning and motivations and events that most Loremasters think happened here. There are problems with "the whole account," not necessarily the idea that "some Dwemer are Numidium." Especially because every explanation is all about "The dwemer" or "the dwarves" not just "some dwarves" or "this happened." I question a unity of purpose for example, because everybody talks about the race as if this existed. People tend to talk about every race like this actually. I understand your problem but you have to see that this assumption is not senseless because Dwemer did disappear (or how you believe, started disappearing) after that incident. It's a simple logical conclusion.
>Besides, your explanation doesn't make any sense. The standard explanation for Arniel's quest implies he de-constructed himself and bound to you. So what does this have to do with Dwemer ghosts you find in Morrowind? Are you saying that some Dwemer prior to Numidium were de-constructed and bound to, what exactly? Nothing, Arniel's endeavour has nothing to do with this question. The question being, why are there ghosts left if Numidium cared about all the souls? If you want to say the very-obviously-ghosts are not ghosts and are not souls, why would I even believe that? It sounds like a completely ad hoc justification, nothing more. Well I believe that Tonal experiments had to be done before Numidium was created and they would get bound to all sorts of Tonal Resonators, maybe even buildings of the Dwemer, who knows, but Tonal Architecuter had to start somehow.
As for
>The question being, why are there ghosts left if Numidium cared about all the souls? Kagrenac could have simply done the Tonal effect only to living Dwemer for some reason.
Again we have almost no idea how any of it works.
>I know Falion says he's met Dwemer outside of Mundus. With this, the problem arises with what Vivec said, which was "I have no sense of them in the timeless divine world outside of mortal time." Either he was being deliberately hyper specific so as to be obtuse, or he or Falion is lying. Considering I trust Vivec about as much as I can throw him, I'm going to assume Vivec is lying. Strange that you trust indecisive Scholar more than a physical God, it's true that Vivec often uses lies or half truths but at that point he had nothing to gain from you nor did he want to teach you some ultimate truth through lies. There is literally no reason for him to lie to you.
Lorkhatosh 10/08/14 (Wed) 11:44:54 No. 1165
>>1151 >>1164 >I have a problem with the "Tonal Architecture laws and Kagrenac didn't care about other Dwemer." Specifically, why wouldn't Kagrenac care? Actually let me back up. Numidium either needed all the souls to fulfil its intended function, or it didn't. If it did, funny how there was one who wouldn't be affected somehow, and this one was in the same area. Kagrenac would have to have cared about where everybody was on Mundus or else he'd be doomed to certain failure. Or two, not all the souls are needed. Then you'd think he'd care about those groups separate from him, insomuch as they are not involved and shouldn't be made into Numidium either because he could fuck up, or they aren't worthy. Overall I'd suspect this points to Kagrenac not being the one who hit the heart, or if he did, he failed in his intention. Or you are ignoring the possible notion that all of Numidium experiment should have gone differently and sudden attack caused it to malfunction somehow. You have to accept the possibility of it being an accident, hence why it's so disastrous and illogical.
>And here's a direct quote from The Lost Race of Tamriel, Vol III, which Calcelmo wrote. "For instance, while we can say with absolute certainty that the disappearance of the entire dwarven race happened very suddenly, only the laziest of junior scholars would say that this event happened in the same day or even the same hour." A) Do you know that Tonal effect is instant?
B) Is Calcelmo an absolutely trustworthy source and does he actually bring any real evidence to the table?
>Which means by "all at once" he probably means "very quickly," not "universally instantaneously." I think your interpretation of the books is obviously incorrect due to this. It would be ridiculous to say "Only lazy scholars believe X, there's no solid evidence to say Y didn't happen, but I believe X." Why would anybody say that? Okay, again does he have any evidence and is there any reason for me to believe that he is not a biased scholar?
>What I personally think is Numidimum only accounts for about half the disappearance, and not all the Dwemer souls were made into Numidium. There are too many problems with the interpretation that they all were. Sure, but what would cause their disappearance in a short period after said event and what are the chances that it has absolutely nothing to do with creation of Numidium?
Though you bring some really good points, but again coincidence like that just does not happen.
Anonymous 10/08/14 (Wed) 13:53:14 No. 1177
>>1164 Vivec, by his own admission, did not like the Dwemer. For all I know he's lying to keep anybody from finding them. That seems eminently reasonable for a liar.
You ask, why should I trust Calcelmo. My primary reason for doing so is that Calcelmo is actually in the game. Most of the linchpins to the universal Numidium theory come from out of game sources to suggest that it was done, and then extrapolating and interpreting everything to fit in with the conclusion. Whenever you suggest that we just don't know how tonal architecture works, so it could be that there are exceptions or it all went just the way it did so everything makes sense, that's what I see happening.
I also have a very heavy bias against using Kirkbride and other out-of-game sources, partly because I think they're over-emphasised, partly because I think they're a lesser canon, and partly because I think they can ruin good ideas in overindulgent waffle. Not to say I don't use them or nobody should use them at all, but they should be used to interpret what we see in the game. What we see in the game shouldn't be bended to accommodate the out of game texts. Which isn't exactly what's going on here, but it's close.
What I think is this. At the time of the Battle of Red Mountain, the War of the Crag was still going on. It ended, taking a significant chunk of the Dwemer when the heart was struck. I think the effects were spatially limited and one off, explaining why Yagrum Bagarn escaped its effects permanently, (though I believe he was intentionally sent far out to avoid it, but forgot why due to Corprus) but the range was large enough to take a significant chunk of the Dwemer from Skyrim with it. From there, the Falmer win the War of the Crag, killing all the Dwemer very quickly. It was a harsh war that was still going, and the Falmer did not seem to be fighting to subjugate. A sudden loss of a significant amount of the Dwemer forces would lead to very swift defeat.
On the west, it's not too much longer from here before the Yokudan's show up in Hammerfell and they kill all the Dwemer there, which is essentially the final extinction. There's an old in game fiction book that references war between the dwarves and the Redguard, along with I think goblins, though for the life of me I can't remember what it was (and like I said, even in game it's fiction, but it would explain this) so I think this is plausible and explains all the issues. By the time Yagrum Bagarn is searching, they're all dead or inaccessible. I find it hard to believe for example, he could have safely traversed all the ruins in Skyrim shortly after the event, as there would have been a ton of Falmer around.
Lorkhatosh 10/08/14 (Wed) 15:05:47 No. 1179
>>1177 Okay sure, I like your hypothesis, only problem I have with it is that disappearance of Dwemer is a lot more fatal than extinction by war.
Even after Alessian order some Ayleids were left and some even became part of Alessian government, it just seems really unlikely that Redguards absolutely destroyed all of the Dwemer at the west.
That being said I personally believe that Bethesda did not decide nor will it ever decide what truly happened to the Dwemer, I can't link it now but Todd in one interview nerded out about Dwemer and how he loves them and doesn't want the mystery to ever be fully revealed.
Anonymous 10/12/14 (Sun) 14:04:28 No. 1298
>>1177 >>1177 >On the west, it's not too much longer from here before the Yokudan's show up in Hammerfell and they kill all the Dwemer there, which is essentially the final extinction. Isn't it a pretty huge coincidence that the Redguards appear during the 1E800 DragonBreak?
I mean its quite possible that Yokuda didn't exist at all before the 1E800 DragonBreak, and After the DragonBreak Yokuda Had Always Been There until the Redguards blew it up.
Or do we have evidence that DragonBreaks doesn't "splice in" new pasts like that?
Lorkhatosh 10/12/14 (Sun) 14:27:39 No. 1300
>>1298 Dragonbreaks most certainly do retroactively change past
Talos is proof for that
Dovahsebrom 10/12/14 (Sun) 15:59:22 No. 1305
>>1298 Since when has there been a 1E 800 Dragon Break? Are you thinking about the 1E 700 one at Red Mountian?
Sheggorine 10/12/14 (Sun) 21:02:45 No. 1313
>>1305 Yes it was Battle of Red Mountain I was thinking of.
Sheggorine 10/12/14 (Sun) 21:05:57 No. 1314
>>1313 And I got the dates mixed up. I thought Red Mountain and the Sinking of Yokuda took place at the same time.
Anonymous 10/12/14 (Sun) 21:45:02 No. 1315
>>34 I don't think casuals are to blame here, but rather time constraints and resources.
Anonymous 10/13/14 (Mon) 10:00:39 No. 1342
>>14 What is the evidence for this? Specifically, where do we find any descriptions or explanations of what it means to be awake or dreaming? What do these words mean?
Lorkhatosh 10/13/14 (Mon) 11:11:41 No. 1344
>>1342 Almost none
Even though I really like that theory it's vaguely based on the idea that Dreamsleeve exists and Dagoth Ur had connection to control people through dreams
What we know for sure about Dagoth Ur is that
>He is connected to Heart of Lorkhan and it's impossible to kill him because by some mechanism he gets recreated >He wanted to build Akulakhan to establish rule of house Dagoth on all of Morrowind and later Nirn We don't know much about Dreamsleeve, let alone how Dagoth Ur worked
Anonymous 10/13/14 (Mon) 12:35:44 No. 1345
>>1344 Unfortunate. It's an interesting idea but without definitions I'm left questioning it.
It seems like "dreaming" is nothing more than being alive and in the dreamsleave, whereas dead would be dead and in the dreamsleave, and undead, dead and not in the dreamsleave. Wakefulness is a meaningless term unless there's some definition for it.
Dovahsebrom 10/13/14 (Mon) 15:57:00 No. 1351
Anonymous 10/13/14 (Mon) 22:18:17 No. 1369
>>1061 I don't remember sleeping in the sun because my waifu died.
sage 10/13/14 (Mon) 23:06:35 No. 1371
>>20 So basically, planets in TES don't follow Newton's laws?
sage 10/13/14 (Mon) 23:39:36 No. 1372
>>332 Please, I wanna know everything.
Anonymous 10/13/14 (Mon) 23:40:14 No. 1373
>>1371 >>1372 fucking persistent names, sorry guys.
Anonymous 10/14/14 (Tue) 05:33:36 No. 1392
>>1371 Planets in TES are the realms/remains of gods. Also stars are holes in the sky. Newtonian laws hardly apply in this setting.
Lorkhatosh 10/14/14 (Tue) 06:37:55 No. 1394
>>1371 laws of physics don't exist in TES universe
TES universe basically works like this
>Highest gradient is closest to Anu the Godhead >Lower gradient are Anui-El and Sithis, variables 1 and 0, think of it as code in which TES universe is written. They are souls and memory of Anu and Padomay. >Lower than that is Aurbis, The Wheel, The Tower. Metaphysical representation of the dream itself when higher levels are more of a subconscious. >Highest level of Aurbis is Aetherius. This is realm of pure thought and idea and magicka. Infinite energies spin there and Et'ada (The original spirits, ideas, echoes) come from there. >Lower gradient is infinite void called Oblivion All of the levels above have zero laws and basically anything can happen in them because they are conceptual, there are two lowest subgradients. These subgradients got created because of three groups of Et'ada. Aedra, Magna-Ge and Daedra.
>Oblivion realms are self contained reality spheres inside of Oblivion void. Oblivion realms are Daedric Princes manifested in their pure form. Even though these dimensions might look like spheres they can be infinite and are not planets. They are the bodies and mind of a Daedric Prince. HERE LAWS OF PHYSICS ARE DICTATED ONLY BY DAEDRIC PRINCES >Mundus, realm that became center of Aurbis. Mundus is composite realm as opposed to Daedric princes singular realm. Mundus is a large reality sphere, a plane that contains another lesser plane, Nirn. All of the planes/planets other than Nirn are drained bodies of Aedra, moons are two halves of Lorkhans body. Nirn itself is composite plane/planet made of combined energies of all the Aedra. There are also Ehlnofey, Ada that became part of Mundus and Nirn to stabilize it. IN MUNDUS ALL OF THE LAWS OF PHYSICS ARE DICTATED BY COMBINED LAWS OF EHLNOFEY AND TO SOME EXTENT LAWS OF PHYSICS ARE EHLNOFEY THEMSELVES. So yeah, no real laws exist in TES, just some spirits saying they want something that way or this way.
Lorkhatosh 10/14/14 (Tue) 06:39:19 No. 1395
>>1371 >>1394 Oh and forgot. Stars and Sun are holes made in the veil of Mundus to Aetherius.
Magicka and Aetherial energy flows through these holes, so does the light, but they might be the same thing.
SomeGuy 10/14/14 (Tue) 08:57:58 No. 1407
>>1394 >>1395 If I look up at the moons, they are not hollow crescents. The Lunar Lorkhan theory is silly, and the only evidence of it we have is from out of game texts by Kirkbride, who seems to have never played one of the games and looked up, and The Lunar Lorkhan, written by somebody who is probably skeptical of it because he words it as talking about other people, not himself.
Personally I think it's far more likely that the moons are just the gods Jone and Jode, both aspects of the Lunar Lattice. Which have almost nothing to do with Lorkhan. After all, we have evidence that Jone and Jode are moon gods, since they are/were considered as such by the Aldmer and the Khajiit, and according to Words of Clan Mother Ahnnissi, the moons and their motions came before Lorkhan.
I'm also *kinda* skeptical over the Magnus and the stars being holes. Because the sun moves at a rate separate from the stars. As well, the Serpent constellation does not move in the same way, and yet in Kirkbride's Cosmology we're given an explanation, that it isn't made of stars. But since we have pretty much nothing in game that I know of that points to this piece of cosmology being right or wrong, it's not a big deal.
Anonymous 10/14/14 (Tue) 11:06:29 No. 1415
>>1394 >>1395 Okay, this is a little hard to wrap my head around…
The Sun and stars are not stellar objects, they're just holes in reality, right?
And that's why Nirn and other planets don't need to move, right?
And planets like Nirn are the embodiments of gods? Or are they dreams of gods? Or only the realms of gods?
Also, the soul cairn…
Someone else in this thread talked about the dreamsleeve, and that necromancers basically tell souls asleep to wake the fuck up for a second, right?
So where does the soul cairn fit into all this? Is the soul cairn the dreamsleeve? Why do necromancers need black soulstones, or soulstones at all, to harness the powers of the dead? What even are soulstones? And why can you not recharge enchanted items with your own magicka?
Is every enchanter a necromancer?
Anonymous 10/14/14 (Tue) 12:33:57 No. 1419
>>1415 Soulgems are made by Molag ballsack or the Idela masters.
necromancers don't tel lthe dead (sleepers) to wake up, they make them sleepwalk by making them think they are alive, so they're sleeping in motion in the dreamsleve which makes them undead back on nirn or somethign like that.
Soulgems are used to make enchantments, and it correlates with the same magicks the ayleids applied to varla and welkned stones with star power and shit.
There's actually a thing that talks about uses of degrees of necromancy in TES and how the mages guild handles it overall.
Anonymous 10/14/14 (Tue) 13:15:32 No. 1420
>>1415 Stellar objects do move. There are Orreries and they show the planets move. Plus we know the constellations move. And obviously the sun moves, as do the moons.
The planets are the Aedra themselves, or at least the ones that weren't completely dissolved into the earthbones.
The Soul Cairn is not the Dreamsleave. The Soul Cairn was built by the "Ideal Masters" as a place for trapped souls to go and live forever in a paradise. It's instead a place intended for the dead that isn't the dreamsleave, and almost everybody there seems to hate it and think it's a torturous hell.
Since the Soul Cairn is for trapped souls only, normal deaths go to the dreamsleave.
Black Soul gems are needed because the souls of intelligent humanoids are different and more powerful than the souls of lesser beings/or otherwise untrappable with normal soul gems.
Lorkhatosh 10/14/14 (Tue) 13:45:06 No. 1421
>>1407 >The Lunar Lorkhan theory is silly, and the only evidence of it we have is from out of game texts by Kirkbride Uh huh…so you think that Lunar Lorkhan is out of game?
Dude it is in every single TES game since Morrowind, even TESO has it. Plus why can't Jone and Jode be aspects of Lorkhan or artifical Ada created because of his division?
You are being a bit too categorical here.
>>1415 >The Sun and stars are not stellar objects, they're just holes in reality, right? They are holes in reality but that doesn't mean that they are flat. They do move and intersect in strange ways.
Planets/Planes are personification of Gods, dead bodies of Gods or combination of multiple Gods to put it simply.
>Also, the soul cairn… Was created by ragtag group of Necromancers that wanted to become Gods and fuck with other Necromancers. They were successful and created their own realm, they also linked or created Black Soulgems to their realm so that any time someone traps and uses Black Soul said soul goes to them while they send Magicka which is used to enchant shit.
Molag Bal supposedly created first soulgems so all souls trapped by non black soulgems probably go to his realm.
Lorkhatosh 10/14/14 (Tue) 13:48:06 No. 1422
>>1407 >>1421 Sorry, my reading comprehension fucked up. Did you mean that only source other than Lunar Lorkhan are out of game?
Well can't really argue with that but Lorkhanic myths at least allude to it.
Anonymous 10/14/14 (Tue) 13:50:29 No. 1423
>>1421 >Was created by ragtag group of Necromancers Source please, I find this intriguing.
Anonymous 10/14/14 (Tue) 13:52:01 No. 1424
>>1423 I think that source doesn't exist, only in battlespire the game itself
Lorkhatosh 10/14/14 (Tue) 13:53:18 No. 1425
SomeGuy 10/14/14 (Tue) 14:13:08 No. 1426
>>1422 I meant we have mostly OOG sources, with the only in-game source being The Lunar Lorkhan. I did not mean to say that The Lunar Lorkhan is out of game.
What evidence is there that Jone and Jode are aspects of Lorkhan? Jone and Jode are, according to the (Khajiit according to Varieties of Faith in the Empire), aspects of the Lunar Lattice. And as previously mentioned, the moons and their movements, as in, the Lattice, were born before Lorkhan who is last.
>>1421 At least some non-black souls go to the Soul Cairn as well, I'm pretty sure.
Lorkhatosh 10/14/14 (Tue) 16:07:53 No. 1428
>>1426 Yeah it seems so, I mean there were some animals in Soul Cairn like that horse
I guess any soul used in necromantic ritual gets sent there
Dovahsebrom 10/14/14 (Tue) 19:59:49 No. 1433
>>1425 Nothing ever says the Soul Cairn was made by a group of necromancers. It is just implied that they were once mortal.
Lorkhatosh 10/14/14 (Tue) 20:53:38 No. 1436
>>1433 It's just an assumption that it would be group of Necromancers who would create realm to basically monopolize Necromancy
Dovahsebrom 10/15/14 (Wed) 01:13:48 No. 1448
>>1436 Given the whole soul gems thing, some people have theorized they are Ayleids.
They could also be what remains of the God of Worms.
Anonymous 10/15/14 (Wed) 07:04:38 No. 1470
>>332 Not guy you replied to but I'll ask anyway
I've asked these so many times but I never get an answer:
How the fuck do I get around all this lore? I know bits and pieces, but I am way behind. Is there some chronological order I should follow, or do I just think of something in TES and search it up? And where do I search it up? I've got all the in game books saved on my phone, and I've been reading through them slowly, and a lot of it is cool, however so far it doesn't contribute to the lore much.
Anonymous 10/15/14 (Wed) 08:40:37 No. 1472
>>1470 1. When you play the games, read any book you pick up
2.If it's a series, collect them then read them
3.Install realtime menu mods so ime passes ingame when you read
4.Watch the Lore videos on YT (Not that fucking aussie barely informed sensational garbage, the one with the intro and hired Sheogorath's VA to do hey guy in the Mehrunes dagon video)
5.Use illegal recreational drugs.
7.Look in religions the Lore draws from, much easier to understand from that perspective.
8.Play ALL the TES games you can, and additionally gather up all the upcoming release, interview and foruum matieral you can in a folder ou build up over time, there are all kinds of details you can't afford to miss
9.The books hold hidden shit in them, Jyggalag was hinted at in that one poem book with his name spelt out from he letters in a verse of the poem, so do rechecks to find possible subliminal and hidden messages
10.The game themselves are amde by devs with autism who often hide little stories in the dungeons, contrary to their lack of life as it may seem, like how Moss Rock Caverns is home o a Jailed Mether Lich at a high enough level, even though the place is the lair of one of the few places worm Anchorites spawn featured in the game, showing evidence that Nether Liches are Lich Fuckups.
Anonymous 10/15/14 (Wed) 09:31:10 No. 1473
>>1472 >Jyggalag was hinted at in that one poem book with his name spelt out from he letters in a verse of the poem, so do rechecks to find possible subliminal and hidden messages I only knew that he has been mentioned in the book "On Oblivion" since Daggerfall. Source on the poem?
Anonymous 10/15/14 (Wed) 12:11:12 No. 1479
>>1470 I go to the Imperial Library and look at everything I can find under a subject that interests me.
Also I talk about lore a lot. After a few years you kind of learn things through osmosis.
Lorkhatosh 10/15/14 (Wed) 12:13:25 No. 1480
Lorkhatosh 10/15/14 (Wed) 12:23:36 No. 1481
>>1473 I am recalling something similar but can't remember the source
In general MK and Kurt Kuhlmann like to encode shit, good example is sermon 29
http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:36_Lessons_of_Vivec,_Sermon_29 This secret is coded here
>He was not born a god. His destiny did not lead him to this crime. He chose this path of his own free will. He stole the godhood and murdered the Hortator. Vivec wrote this.
Anonymous 10/15/14 (Wed) 21:56:13 No. 1495
>>1470 >>1472 And do not forget your tinfoil hat.
Just kidding. You guys dem real mvps
Anonymous 10/17/14 (Fri) 19:38:11 No. 1586
If you want to learn about the real Scandinavian runes, their meanings and how to use them, then listen to the runic series on Northern Runes Radio:
http://northernrunesradio.com/ Or read the Scandinavian Mythology/Heathen lore: the Prose Edda and Poetic Edda.
The Eddas the Keys to the Mysteries of the North http://www.heathengods.com/library/poetic_edda/ChisholmEdda.pdf The Prose Edda - Arthur Gilchrist Brodeur http://www.runatyrkindred.com/media/pdf/The_Prose_Edda.pdf
Anonymous 10/17/14 (Fri) 21:42:20 No. 1588
>>1586 What is this, your guide on how to do Thu'um irl?
Anonymous 10/17/14 (Fri) 21:57:54 No. 1589
>>1588 Yes. Skyrim was inspired by much of the Germanic Heathen lore and culture.
http://www.sunnyway.com/runes/galdr.html Galdr or Galdor, from the Old Norse, originally meant 'incantation'. The verb "gala" is also used for "to crow". It later came to mean magic in general. These are the sounds used in runic oral spells.The Galdr sounds are from Edred Thorsson's Futhark, a Handbook of Rune Magic.
Anonymous 10/17/14 (Fri) 22:16:09 No. 1591
Anonymous 10/18/14 (Sat) 11:49:24 No. 1617
>>1586 Skyrim sure, but most of TES is Gnosticism/Hindu based if anything.
Anonymous 10/18/14 (Sat) 12:05:22 No. 1620
>>1617 Some of the creatures from the games are from Norse mythology like Elves, Dwarfs, Giants, Trolls.
Anonymous 10/18/14 (Sat) 14:14:57 No. 1622
>>1620 Not to disagree with you but concepts similar to Elves are not unique to Norse/Germanic mythos, but sure elves are from Germanic mythos
Dwarfs don't exist in TES
Giants are absolutely not unique to Norse, every singe culture has them including ancient Semitic tribes of all sorts
Troll is same thing as Elves, as in it's from that mythos but others had similar beings
Now I am not saying that TES had no influence from Norse, it's just that TES had more of an influence from fantasy tropes in general
Dovahsebrom 10/18/14 (Sat) 18:53:39 No. 1626
>>1622 I'd have to agree with you, TES takes more inspiration from fantasy cliches than the things fantasy cliches are actually based off of.
Anonymous 10/18/14 (Sat) 20:32:24 No. 1629
>>1622 >Dwarfs don't exist in TES What about the Dwemer?
http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Dwemer However, they were commonly referred as "Dwarves" by Men. Also this:
http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Disappearance_of_the_Dwarves The Disappearance of the Dwarves was a major event that took place in 1E 700. The Disappearance of the Dwemer came about as a result of the events at the Battle of Red Mountain, which brought about the near-complete disappearance of the entire Dwemer race, save one - Yagrum Bagarn. Among the many great mysteries of Tamriel, few are as profound as the disappearance of the entire Dwemer race.
Anonymous 10/18/14 (Sat) 20:35:00 No. 1630
>>1622 The wiki article implies that Germanic Mythology is the first source for the appearance of elves:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elf An elf (plural: elves) is a type of supernatural being in Germanic mythology and folklore.[1] Reconstructing the early concept of an elf depends almost entirely on texts in Old English or relating to Norse mythology.[2]
Lorkhatosh 10/19/14 (Sun) 06:34:29 No. 1650
>>1629 TES Dwemer have nothing to do with Dwarves other than having big beards and well being called Dwarves by Giants that lives near them in Skyrim or wherever.
DweMer are Mer, Dwe meaning Deep and Mer meaning Folk, though it's folk in Ehlnofex for Elves so Dwemer means Deep Elves.
Generally any race that has Mer in it's name is an Elven race.
Dwemer were Elves, they were actually taller than humans.
Anonymous 10/19/14 (Sun) 06:36:01 No. 1651
>>1629 dwemer are not the same as classical dwarf
they are scientific elves that create robot and reality warping technology
pic related.
Anonymous 10/19/14 (Sun) 06:40:24 No. 1652
>>1629 it wasn't actually Skyrim giants or Atmoran giants that called Dwemer Dwarf
it was really old Velothi Giants that probably got killed off or just migrated
I actually believe that Giants are the closest descendants of the Wandering Ehlnofey
Dovahsebrom 10/19/14 (Sun) 20:44:45 No. 1681
>>1652 I'm pretty sure this
http://imgur.com/a/EkyWQ is the closest descendent of a wanderer, if not an actual wanderer itself.
Anonymous 10/26/14 (Sun) 14:44:44 No. 2085
Couple of sorta lore related questions about Vivec, still getting to grips with all of the lore so forgive me if I sound ignorant:
Anonymous 10/26/14 (Sun) 18:37:56 No. 2087
>>2085 It's a representation of his dick. Vivec didn't stop Dagoth Ur because Ur had the heart on lock and the Tribunal couldn't get back in there to f5 their divine energies. Also what the fuck is an anti-CHIM state? Yung Voryn was just on that being-a-god tip and he broke into gookfucking the dreamsleeve later on as I understand it. I think that's more of a limited variant of CHIM than an anti-CHIM. OR just typical divinity.
Lorkhatosh 10/26/14 (Sun) 18:44:26 No. 2088
>>2085 1)He didn't want to
A lot of it has to do with him wanting return of Nerevar and fulfillment of Nerevarine prophecies
2)Maybe, doesn't matter to him much though
3)Both, it's his literal dick materialized as a sphere that acts as a metaphysical dick when it stabs people and rapes them
Anonymous 10/26/14 (Sun) 19:45:21 No. 2091
Anonymous 10/26/14 (Sun) 20:53:35 No. 2093
>>2091 You mean I don't even have to read it to know it's bullshit? Well, that makes my life easier.
Anonymous 10/27/14 (Mon) 04:49:39 No. 2102
>>2091 >but they do not see themselves connected to everything else within the Dream. 1 * -1= -1. Wow, way to miss the point and run with a retarded analogy.
Lorkhatosh 10/27/14 (Mon) 08:40:19 No. 2104
>>2093 >>2102 Kids, and that is why you never should trust any lorefags on the internet ever. No matter how knowledgeable they are we always might have some retarded idea about lore and miss the point.
Lore discussions are great and all and help understand the lore somewhat but in the end it all boils down to
>Go read the lore yourself if you want to form your opinion
Anonymous 10/27/14 (Mon) 11:30:30 No. 2107
>>2104
Anonymous 10/27/14 (Mon) 15:44:07 No. 2115
>>2088 Isn't it just that Vivec didn't understand how Dagoth Ur really functioned and thus couldn't use CHIM to affect it?
Lorkhatosh 10/27/14 (Mon) 15:52:20 No. 2116
>>2115 We don't know
You could explain it like that if you want, I personally have no opinion about interaction of Dagoth Ur and Vivec during Morrowind because I honestly can't make much sense of it
One time I think this and then I think that
Anonymous 10/28/14 (Tue) 00:55:07 No. 2159
>>2091 Well, I actually got it from some image explaining Dagoth Ur posted somewhere on /v/, but I guess this is where it originated.
Anonymous 10/28/14 (Tue) 04:07:54 No. 2167
>>2159 What the image was exlpaning was reverse necromancy, not anti-CHIM.
Also the term seems retarded. If CHIM is Elhnofey for "royalty" wouldn't anti-chim be "peasantry"? As in, the condition of all mortal beings in Mundus?
Anonymous 10/28/14 (Tue) 04:36:54 No. 2173
>>2167 Think of it as on a number line. Your average Imperial peasant would sit somewhere at 1 or 2, with the Elhnofey at some unspeakably high number, and those who have achieved CHIM at infinity. On the other side of the line we have those that have zero-summed at zero (obviously) and those with supposed Anti-CHIM (i.e Dagoth Ur) at negative infinity.
Anonymous 10/30/14 (Thu) 07:05:52 No. 2292
So are Giants Mer? What is there backstory?
Anonymous 10/30/14 (Thu) 13:48:52 No. 2299
>>2292 Yes, common language is called
>Common Tamrielic It is mix of Cyrodiilic and Altmeri languages
here is list of all TES languages
http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Ehlnofey Also JEL at the end is a telepathic language
As for Giants, they are Men or at least more connected to Men than Mer, they are descedants of Wandering Ehlnofey too
Anonymous 11/05/14 (Wed) 20:09:38 No. 2446
>>19 What exactly is dracochrysalis? I've seen the term a couple times, but what does it mean?
Lorkhatosh 11/06/14 (Thu) 12:34:09 No. 2460
>>2446 Auri-El in Aldmeri mythos somehow ascended to Aetherius
It also has to do something with Crystal-Like-Law tower
Lorefags call that way of ascention Dracochrysalis, I think MK used it once or it was in some obscure book, don't remember
Not much is know about Dracochrysalis though and we can only theorize how it works
!CbUTV1X0i. 11/07/14 (Fri) 04:57:53 No. 2510
Alright, I'm going to share a lore poem that I wrote. I'm going to include it as a book in the next edition of UMSO, it'll be found in Stormcloak-supporting Holds. Basically a song about the old Nordic pantheon written by a bard who is probably a Stormcloak supporter.
!CbUTV1X0i. 11/07/14 (Fri) 04:58:39 No. 2511
>>2510 The Men of the Eastern Marsh and March,
From the Crags and from the Vales,
Where the Mighty Mammoth shakes,
Shudders the ashen sulfur soil,
I name the Gods of my Ancient Line,
The Gods of All Born-of-the North,
Who dwell Within us and Among us,
In our breath and in our blood:
!CbUTV1X0i. 11/07/14 (Fri) 05:00:10 No. 2512
>>2511 SHOR SON OF SHOR FATHER OF TALOS SON OF TALOS
Seed-and-Breath Father-now-Dead
Of Giants and Men who Rule Nirn's Crust,
Slain by the Devil-Fathers of Elves.
You watch us all from Sovngarde,
And all Real Wind-Kin seek to find
You there! To Feast in Your Hall,
To Give and Receive Rings and Honors.
'Til Last Spear-March, Doom-Time comes,
And SHOR and all his Trueborn Kin,
Strike First, Now, and Future Woes
Upon ALD and All His False Thanes.
KYNE, WAR-WIFE OF SHOR
Breath-Mother of the Conquering Race,
From the Greatest Cairn You First Spoke
Alongside Your War-Husband: Life!
Life upon the un-born SHOR-born,
A Breath, a Motion, a Glorious Fate,
A surge of Wind within our veins
Answering the No-Things with All-Things.
A Life in streams and root-blessed groves,
A Life that makes us Sing with the Wind,
A Life that Flows out from Your Offspring,
A Shout of Green-Bone War-Horn Blasts.
!CbUTV1X0i. 11/07/14 (Fri) 05:01:43 No. 2513
>>2512 AKA, ENDLESS AND BEGINNINGLESS TIME
The Righteous Dragon, Mammoth-King,
Forever Shouting Truth in War
Against Your Rebellious Thane ALD!
For ALD is fated to Eat the World
But AKA fights to Keep it Strong
The Heart of Time a Dragon's Fang
Within its Mouth, Without its Mouth.
For ALD Shouts "All Things I End"
Then AKA Shouts "All Ending is Beginning"
And so unwinds the Dragon-Knot
That seeks to strangle Man's Throat.
TSUN AND STUHN, THANES OF GREAT SHOR
Warriors sworn to pledge their oaths:
Shield Oath and Hammer Oath,
To Guard and Guide, to Smite and Rule.
Great TSUN stands tall, Karstaag-boned,
Before the Whale-Spine, SHOR's Hall:
Passage is his Rule, None may Enter!
Until they have Bested his Hammer-Arm.
Great STUHN ransoms with mercy,
Thieves would Steal and Plunder Cruelly,
But STUHN makes the Gild and Wer-gild,
And with his Fist he Burns their Bones.
!CbUTV1X0i. 11/07/14 (Fri) 05:04:09 No. 2514
>>2513 MARA, HEARTH- AND MOURNING- WIFE OF SHOR
Blood-Mother of North-Born,
Weeping for SHOR when ALD and ORKEY
Freeze his Blood into Black Steel.
And when SHOR is Reborn, rejoices,
Sacred Bonds-by-Hearth creating:
Mother's Son takes Woman:
Forever turns Man's Blood-Bound Wheel.
DIBELLA, BED-WIFE OF SHOR
Heart-Mother of the Ice-Bringers,
Lives Within the Burning Root
That Makes a Man pass on his Seed.
The Warrior's Lust is Made Pure,
He takes his Wife with Hearty Flame:
Passions Secret-Yet-Holy
DIBELLA's Beauty Shrouds in Light!
JHUNAL, MAKER AND BEING-DOER OF RUNES
The Ocean-God, of Wisdom Built:
The Shadow-Scrawl Flows, The Wheel Turns,
Writing-Lights Shine from the Sky.
The Steel is forged in Line with Wyrd,
The Seer in Mist sees Memories Weave,
The Song is Sung in Sacred Words,
For JHUNAL Binds the Fates and Foes.
ARKAY AND ORKEY, LIFE AND DEATH
The one, Man's ascent to power;
The other, Elf's chilling curse.
One, then the other, then the first again!
Life and Death turns, a Wheel in Each:
The Heart to SHOR's Hall Soars,
The Spirit Dreams in Sleeping-Music,
Until ARKAY demands it Return.
!CbUTV1X0i. 11/07/14 (Fri) 05:04:43 No. 2515
>>2514 TALOS, LAST AND MIGHTIEST OF THE GODS
Once a Man, he rose to trample
Heathen Mongrels and Cruel Elves,
And through Blood-Storms became a God!
The False Ones, Sons of ALD and ORKEY,
Curse Great TALOS, Shoot Bow, Draw Sword,
Seek to Cut out His Heart like SHOR's,
And Rip the Wind out from Wind-Kin
But TALOS lives, SHOR given seven Breaths!
Seven Heads Breathe Death to Elves!
Nords Arise, in TALOS' Name,
Slay Timeless Tyrants with your Voice!
Anonymous 11/07/14 (Fri) 05:37:45 No. 2517
Jesus Christ I don't understand any of this
Anonymous 11/07/14 (Fri) 11:05:41 No. 2521
What did Dagoth Ur try to achieve by building that Numidium thingy?
Lorkhatosh 11/07/14 (Fri) 11:18:57 No. 2522
>>2521 Geee wiz, I wonder what can one achieve with a robot that can allegedly break time with every step it takes.
Simple answer is, conquer minds and souls of everyone in Morrowind and then all of Mundus, maybe even all of Aurbis, making a universal House Dagoth and by proxy making himself all.
Anonymous 11/07/14 (Fri) 20:58:16 No. 2532
>>2522 >conquer minds and souls of everyone in Morrowind and then all of Mundus, maybe even all of Aurbis, making a universal House Dagoth and by proxy making himself all. I imagine Talos the mortal had very similar plans. All hail Arctus Underking!
Anonymous 11/08/14 (Sat) 10:43:22 No. 2536
>>2521 A better question is how was this even possible to do, given the popular Numidium-Dwemer-Skin theory.
Lorkhatosh 11/08/14 (Sat) 11:30:32 No. 2539
>>2536 >A better question is how was this even possible to do It wasn't, well at least not at the point we saw
Akulakhan was unfinished
Pic related, it is still under construction
It's missing a hand, a leg, and most of the torso is not yet covered
Even connectors and shit to Heart of Lorkhan seem to be unfinished
>given the popular Numidium-Dwemer-Skin theory. A) We don't know if Dwemer are necessary for creation of Numidium or if they just give it sentience
B) If he would finish it he would have whole house Dagoth to Tonal Architecture up into Akulakhan
Anonymous 11/08/14 (Sat) 11:52:13 No. 2543
>>2522 Didn't Dagoth already do that with soul sickness and corprus?
>>2539 Could he have wanted to use the Dunmer as Akulakhan's skin? Considering that back then, the Dwemer still existed and Nerevar had connections to the Dwemer, maybe he wanted to copy or even finish Kagrenac's work.
Anonymous 11/08/14 (Sat) 12:09:01 No. 2545
>>2521 According to Dagoth Ur's Plans:
>Establish a theocracy in Morrowind based on the worship of the new-born god Akulakhan >Establish the ancient heirs of House Dagoth as the god-priests of Akulakhan >Extend the worship of Akulakhan to all nations of Tamriel through subversion and conquest.
Anonymous 11/08/14 (Sat) 12:57:56 No. 2546
>>2545 Actually, Dagoth Ur explains it himself.
>Akulakhan will serve three purposes. First, it will be the champion of my armies, liberating first Vvardenfell, then Morrowind, and then, perhaps the rest of Tamriel. Second, it will serve as a sower and cultivator of the divine substance derived from the Heart. Three, it will serve as the prominent banner and symbol of our cause – to defy the Empire, to liberate mortals from ancient superstitions, and to glorify our crusade against the gods.
Anonymous 11/08/14 (Sat) 16:15:37 No. 2551
>>24 >You hit the wrong note Is that really true? Can't it have been that their theories were simply flawed? Or was it really a mistake, or did Kagrenac know what would happen but saw it as the only possibility? I mean, from how I understand it, doesn't Numidium do exactly what it was meant to, although it is defeated in the end?
Lorkhatosh 11/08/14 (Sat) 16:29:18 No. 2553
>>2551 We don't know, but it does seem that Numidium is a broken and corrupted version of what Dwemer wanted, instead of becoming a New Man through Brass Tower they became a horrible monster that denies everything.
>although it is defeated in the end? technically defeating Numidium is impossible
Numidium is not really defeated, he surrenders/suicides and then Jubal Sul cuts his head off
Lorkhatosh 11/08/14 (Sat) 16:36:11 No. 2554
>>2543 1) Akulakhan can do reality and time manipulations and Dagoth Ur had to deliver Corprus outside of Ghostgate somehow.
2)Maybe, but I doubt he wanted to mimic Kagrenac because he was more about Anti-Creation and ascension through Anti-Creation
Dagoth Ur is about conquest of Minds and souls and more about unifying everything
>It was unfashionable among the Dwemer to view their spirits as synthetic constructs three, four, or forty creational gradients below the divine. During the Dawn Era they researched the death of the Earth Bones, what we call now the laws of nature, dissecting the process of the sacred willing itself into the profane. I believe their mechanists and tonal architects discovered systematic regression techniques to perform the reverse – that is, to create the sacred from the deaths of the profane. >Baladas Demnevanni
Anonymous 11/08/14 (Sat) 16:37:38 No. 2555
>>2553 Assuming it had managed to successfully deny everything, perhaps it would have fulfilled its purpose and went on to do what it was meant to? Or would it have become a Dagoth Ur-like thing, only except of making the rest of the Dream into itself it would've removed everything else of the Dream (if there's any real difference)?
Anonymous 11/08/14 (Sat) 19:31:37 No. 2562
>>2554 >1) Akulakhan can do reality and time manipulations and Dagoth Ur had to deliver Corprus outside of Ghostgate somehow. Couldn't the Tribunal and Daedra just stop the Dragon Break from effecting Morrowind, like they did during the Middle Dawn?
Lorkhatosh 11/08/14 (Sat) 21:26:40 No. 2570
>>2555 We don't know
I assume he just wants to deny everything until there is nothing left
>>2562 We don't know how strong are different forces against different magnitudes of Dragonbreaks
We also don't know how much more or less limiting the new Martins convenant is to Daedric Princes
That being said Numidium and Akulakhan are seemingly stronger or at least more bruteforcy than Et'ada be it Aedra or Daedra
Anonymous 11/09/14 (Sun) 04:08:32 No. 2587
>>2555 I doubt it could've fulfilled its purpose of ascension. It was fundamentally unable to let go of the Arena, unlike Jubal. There is a reason Numidium still has hands.
Anonymous 11/09/14 (Sun) 04:23:59 No. 2590
>>2562 Well, the Tribunal are fucking weak as shit. I doubt they'd have enough power to do that. At best, they could do it for a moment before Akulakhan curbstomps them.
Anonymous 11/09/14 (Sun) 04:24:49 No. 2591
>>2590 >Tribunal are fucking weak as shit I mean, by the time of Morrowind.
Anonymous 11/09/14 (Sun) 17:32:20 No. 2616
>>2590 True, and I guess if the Tribunal did have the power to stop Akulakhan, they probably would've stopped Anumidum during the Talosian conquest.
Anonymous 11/10/14 (Mon) 04:45:32 No. 2642
>>2616 Why would they stop Anumidium when they were the ones who handed it over to Talos in the first place? It's not like they were afraid of being conquered, because they already negotiated themselves into being a semi-independent vassal state or whatever.
Anonymous 11/10/14 (Mon) 20:52:12 No. 2666
>>2642 First, by "stopped Anumidum", I ment stopping the Dragon Break it creates from effecting Morrowind. Second, Numidium did attack Morrowind.
>Sometime after came a day when Barenziah was shaken awake by her nurse, dressed hurriedly, and borne from the palace. All she could remember of that dreadful time was seeing a huge shadow with burning eyes filling the sky. -The Real Barenziah
Lorkhatosh 11/11/14 (Tue) 09:04:54 No. 2710
>>2666 Damn Numidium is so fucking Badass.
Imagine seeing time getting broken, a gigantic mountain sized robot with glowing eyes that is constantly dividing and doing multiple things at the same time, fire and destruction everywhere as existence itself shakes with every step.
Holy shit I want Numidium to show up in TES games.
Anonymous 11/11/14 (Tue) 10:47:14 No. 2713
What's the reason behind Shadowscales? Argonians born under the Serpent sign are offered to the DB to be trained as assassins, but why?
Lorkhatosh 11/11/14 (Tue) 11:00:00 No. 2714
>>2713 HIST are followers of Sithis.
Anonymous 11/11/14 (Tue) 16:31:50 No. 2729
>>2710 It's too bad the C0DA Preview probably won't have any art made for it. That shit had Akulakhan and Numidium fighting each other.
Anonymous 11/11/14 (Tue) 18:07:22 No. 2741
Anonymous 11/11/14 (Tue) 21:41:44 No. 2749
>>2741 An important text for lorefags, due to its helpful detailing of the barbiferous nature of Khajiit reproductive organs.
Anonymous 11/11/14 (Tue) 22:29:50 No. 2752
>>2751 But all of this has given me an idea, a brilliant plan:
This is only the beginning. This is a sign from Azura that I am not the Nerevarine, but the Vehkarine. My purpose on Nirn is to mantle Vivec.
I will become leader of the Tribunal Temple. I will also become leader of the Morag Tong so that Mephala can Anticipate me. I will do Daedric quests and roam the land helping various Dunmer.
But to truly become Vivec, I must reach heaven through violence. Once my skills are properly leveled and I have equipment protecting me from elemental damage, I intend to perform the Enantiomorph of Vehk and Vehk. I will use my illusion magic to paralyze Vivec and I will rape him with my spear vigorously until he dies. I will be the rebel, he will be the king and Azura will be the witness through Azura's Star.
I will trap Vivec's soul in Azura's Star, eating him to become him. Afterwards I intend to make Vivec's Palace my home and store all my loot there. I will roam the land battling Daedra, Sixth House cultists and Ashlanders and bringing joy to the Houses of the Dunmer.
And I will enchant a Daedric spear with Vivec's soul. Care to guess what I will name it?
Anonymous 11/11/14 (Tue) 22:39:08 No. 2753
>>2749 I looked it up, I cannot believe this is real, I cannot believe popular game series "Elder Scrolls" included a text graphically describing how a famour historical figure inserted a cat-man's "Turgid, barbed penis" into her
Anonymous 11/12/14 (Wed) 05:06:43 No. 2758
>>2751 >>2752 >>2755 Is Muatraposting like the baneposting of TES?
SomeGuy 11/12/14 (Wed) 08:41:07 No. 2766
>>2539 I mean in general, completion or no. The skin-theory supposes that Numidium was for something, namely, ascension to a higher level of existence by reunited the souls of the Dwemer into a new god. I doubt this is the case, but let's roll with it here.
If that was the purpose, Akulakhan could not have been a second Numidium because nowhere is it indicated that Dagoth Ur wanted to use it to ascend anybody to anything. Instead, he seems to want to use it to spread his influence, both militarily/politically, and metaphysically. At least a good chunk then is to use it as a weapon, but Numidium is only a weapon as an accident of what it is and how it was made.
Could you suppose that Numidium would world-deny even without any Dwemer souls as its skin? And if it doesn't world-deny, how is it powerful to the point that it would do what Dagoth Ur wants it to do?
I suggest three possibilities.
First, Dagoth Ur was either intentionally misleading, or intentionally generalising what he was doing. The point wasn't to make a literal second Numidium, but something that superficially resembles Numidium and has no better analogue for the common man to understand.
The second is Dagoth Ur simply didn't understand what Numidium was.
The third is that the Dwemer-skin theory is wrong in some way.
Anonymous 11/12/14 (Wed) 09:35:46 No. 2769
>>2758 TES has many variants of Bane posting
Muatra posting is CIA
Pelinal is Bane and You are a big guy
CHIM is FOR YOU
>>2758
LORKHATOSH 11/12/14 (Wed) 09:40:00 No. 2770
>>2766 Or fourth, Akulakhan was far from being completed, missed several limbs and even farther from the final step of integrating souls into it's plane/skin, possibly he could do that to his house members.
Anonymous 11/12/14 (Wed) 11:54:25 No. 2781
>>2766 >And if it doesn't world-deny, how is it powerful to the point that it would do what Dagoth Ur wants it to do? I imagine being powered by the Heart of Lorkhan would give it a pretty high power level.
SomeGuy 11/15/14 (Sat) 09:47:28 No. 2888
>>2770 Literally the first thing I said was that I'm talking in general, EVEN IF IT WAS COMPLETED.
It's like I'm saying somebody's shitty incomplete shack made of hay could never be a skyscraper, and you just keep telling me that it isn't done yet. That's not my point, my point is it's made of fucking hay, even upon completion it's not a skyscraper and can't be a skyscraper.
>>2781 Probably, but it'd be a different sort of power.
Anonymous 11/16/14 (Sun) 12:33:43 No. 2930
>>2766 Did the Dwemer really know what they were doing? They hated the subjective existence of theirs inside the dream, right? They wanted something objective, something where they weren't just fragments of a dream. But perhaps they could never really do that. Perhaps Numidium could only, at best, make a solipsistic, or in some other way dream-subjective, world. And that's why they failed, and that's why they became Numidium's skin, because they tried to create a solipsistic world despite the fact that they were a group. So they became the one thing they all agreed on: rejection of dream-reality, and thus became a solipsistic existence as part of Numidium, who then began trying to enforce that one unified existence that they could agree on and thus had become. Still, why did they become part of Numidium at all? Why couldn't they have become a solipsistic denial of dream-reality and still twist the existing dream into denial? Why not end up like Dagoth Ur, and instead end up in Numidium? Dagoth Ur did, as I understand it, begin to become the solipsistic dream. Perhaps the Dwemer themselves somehow stabilized the current dream against their attempt at solipsism. Yagrum Bagarn's presence in another Plane, perhaps? Since Kagrenac tried to make ALL Dwemerkind "ascend," Yagrum being in another layer of the dream stabilized the dream, and the Dwemer were automatically sent to the place where there was the least dream-reality resistance against them, a miniature reality of its own: Numidium.
Anonymous 11/16/14 (Sun) 12:41:13 No. 2932
>>2930 I would just like to point something out before anyone tries to make sense of this: yes, the first and second part are quite different ideas, or at least the second part doesn't entirely support the first part. I was questioning and developing my own reasoning while writing it, in typical INTP fashion.
Anonymous 11/16/14 (Sun) 13:02:53 No. 2933
>>2930 Me again: Or did they just reject their own existence as solipsistic reality while trying to become solipsistic reality, and thus ended up in a place where their presence didn't reject itself: Numidium? Maybe they were even OK with becoming new solipsistic reality, as long as they got to order it according to their own liking, but their denial of solipsistic reality was the one thing they agreed on and thus collectively became, so their earlier willingness to become solipsistic reality simply didn't take hold, so they rejected themselves into Numidium against their wishes?
Anonymous 11/16/14 (Sun) 13:58:18 No. 2934
>>2930 Numidium was ultimately unable to ascend to Amaranth because it couldn't let go of the Arena like Jubal did. Thus the whole conversation where he accuses it of having unfinished business and just wanting to win.
SomeGuy 11/16/14 (Sun) 22:22:20 No. 2970
>>2930 The most "likely" version of the theory is that Numidium was intended to take all the Dwemer souls and reforge them together. Reality is multi-layered, Nirn is designed and populated by people who were originally something greater, the gods likewise, and on up the chain until you get to Padomay.
The idea then is to take all the Dwemer souls and ascend, back to what they used to be. Even this wouldn't be the end, you'd have to keep going up. Under this understanding, Numidium failed because not all the souls were involved. There was at least one missing.
Of course I don't buy this theory at all, but of all the Numidium skin explanations it at least makes conceptual sense in the realm of TES. It makes sense why somebody would want to do this, why it could work, and why it didn't work.
Anonymous 11/17/14 (Mon) 14:45:12 No. 2984
>>2970 you really hate numidium skin theory and tonal architecture even when skyrim referenced it
Anonymous 11/17/14 (Mon) 14:46:20 No. 2985
>>2970 Except for MK literally states that the reason why Numidium fails is because he can't let go of Arena. And not only does he state it in C0DA itself but he also said this on /r/teslore.
SomeGuy 11/18/14 (Tue) 01:28:47 No. 2992
>>2984 I'm sure they both exist, I just don't think anybody else so far has built a coherent explanation that uses them without delving into a majority OOG explanation.
Which is to be expected. Bethesda doesn't want a definitive answer to be known.
>>2985 MK can say what he wants. I seriously don't give a shit about what C0DA says, I might as well consider it anti-cannon, like, if it's in C0DA it must be false. I'm more likely to believe something in Prequel than C0DA. Kazerad is the latest and best prophet, except these prophets are false.
"He can't let go of Arena," that's exactly the sort of nonsense about MK that irritates me. That's not an answer, that asks more questions than it doesn't solve.
Anonymous 11/18/14 (Tue) 02:05:06 No. 2994
>>2985 Why can't it let go of Arena?
Anonymous 11/18/14 (Tue) 04:58:23 No. 2996
>>2994 I think it's due to Numidium's world-denial. His rejection of the Aurbis means that instead of leaving it all behind and truly transcending, he utterly wrecks it in a divine tantrum.
Like Jubal says, Numidium was made to say "fuck it". That isn't a mentality that's good for Amaranth.
Anonymous 11/18/14 (Tue) 12:43:08 No. 2999
>>2996 Nor is "fuck this arbitrary dream-subjectivity" a good attitude when you want to become the next arbitrary dreamer, I recon. The Dwemer basically wanted to become the same thing they wanted to transcend, didn't they? I mean, MK may have given the real answer already or whatever, but to me there still seems to be a conflict, between the Dwemer's rejection of dreaming, and Amaranth. Couldn't such a conflict then trap Numidium, since it operates on logic? And if it can't tolerate where it is, and it can't go where it's meant to go, is there any other choice but to destroy the intolerable place in which you exist?
Anonymous 11/19/14 (Wed) 16:26:28 No. 3042
Should we be scared of the Ideal Masters? Is there any non-skyrim stuff on them?
Lorkhatosh 11/19/14 (Wed) 16:54:39 No. 3044
>>3042 Yeah. There is vague info that they might have been mortals or collective souls of mortals or necromancers that somehow formed or created Soul Cairn.
This info is from Battlespire.
Anonymous 11/19/14 (Wed) 16:56:57 No. 3046
>>3044 To me, that makes it almost sound like they're just a bunch of s'wits exaggerating themselves.
Lorkhatosh 11/19/14 (Wed) 16:59:34 No. 3047
>>3046 Maybe, but it's not like you need to exaggerate yourself if you own an Oblivion plane.
That puts you pretty high up there on powerlevel scale.
Also I wonder how easy it is to create planes of Oblivion via different methods…like Mythic dawn had it's own method etc.
I bet some overpowered wizard created mini realm at some point in past and maybe he lives there alone now.
Anonymous 11/20/14 (Thu) 16:54:23 No. 3111
>>3047 I wonder how much influence you have over your own Realm of Oblivion. Does the creator automatically gain the same kind of ability to manipulate it as a Daedric Prince does over its own realm, or does one simply create it and then reside in it, while it takes something more to become one with it like a Prince?
Lorkhatosh 11/20/14 (Thu) 18:40:45 No. 3115
>>3111 I guess it depends on how much you invest in it.
Even Daedric Princes don't seem to be always fully omnipotent in their realms, like when they are having merger of realms like in TES IV:Oblivion or something is fucking them up, they can't control their realm as well as they are supposed to.
CoC became Sheo but at start he is also not fully omnipotent in his realm yet.
I guess it takes time, investement of your Adic self into the realm and no bullshit interference from other planes.
Anonymous 11/21/14 (Fri) 02:58:31 No. 3135
>>3115 I'm guessing that you have control over your nature or sphere or whatever within your realm. Sanguine can conjure up the greatest pleasures, Meridia controls life energies within her realm (which is fucking frightening), Dagon can can bring destruction and change to reflect his ambition, but outside of that they can't do much without resorting to more personal interference. Purity of purpose/nature likely matters, if you're 100% about one thing you have 100% control over that, if you're ten percent about ten things you have ten aspects that fill the realm ten percent each, so each one is only a tenth as powerful in the realm as the single-minded's aspect is in his. Since the Princes are so extremely focused on so few aspects, they can control them to awesome degrees, making their realm manipulation potent in those areas but lacking in others. Of course, this is almost pure conjecture, I'm not as well-versed in lore as you or many others.
Anonymous 11/21/14 (Fri) 15:18:37 No. 3152
If Nirn is a realm of Oblivion, its aspect must be "Arena," right? That clever bastard Lorkhan created a place where nobody can win, because anyone winning would go against the plane's fundamental aspect of housing conflict. Perhaps that's why Numidium couldn't leave, because it was still in conflict with reality due to its denial, and if it's in conflict with the rest of reality it can't leave the Arena, because that's where such conflict inevitably must take place as per the order of reality, which was the Dwemer's mistake. Perhaps that's the difference between CHIM and Amaranth, with CHIM you still have desire, else you zero-sum, and having desires means you have interests that conflict with the surroundings, so you can't transcend the Arena. And as long as nothing can transcend the inevitable conflicts of the Arena, all conflict will continue there, in a huge melting pot of conflicting ideas, until Amaranth. Nirn, the Arena, is a fool-proof highway towards Amaranth, where nothing can ultimately prevail, the only ultimate is conflict and the only thing that can transcend that is Amaranth.
Anonymous 11/21/14 (Fri) 18:42:17 No. 3162
>>3152 this is actually a brilliant explanation
good job
Anonymous 11/21/14 (Fri) 19:23:35 No. 3165
TES cosmology or metaphysics can be described as a recursive duality, can't it, of change and stasis? And if you look at is as a recursion, like pic related, then Mantling is when a (smaller, lower on the level of existence?) part of the pattern, which is divided into segments within the pattern, attains the same shape as a larger segment of the pattern. You don't need to attain the same size, just the exact same shape, and then you become one and the same. Meanwhile, Zero-Sum is when you start seeing the whole recursive pattern, but in doing so you become the whole pattern, and when you're the whole pattern you cease to exist as a smaller segment of the pattern. Your segment disappears, you become the pattern, and the recursion remains the same. CHIM is when you see the pattern by already embodying the whole shape of the pattern, if at a smaller scale. When you're the entirety of the pattern in miniature, then you look at the whole pattern, and you keep seeing yourself in it. Vivec for example embodies and already embodied the same duality, the same fundamental pattern, that the pattern is a recursion of. He sees the pattern in himself, and himself in the pattern, they are one. Perhaps it could be said that CHIM is to mantle the duality of reality?
Anonymous 11/21/14 (Fri) 19:27:04 No. 3166
>>3165 Oh, and of course, when you've mantled the duality of reality you still can't actually change the pattern of duality of reality, because then you deviate from the pattern, lose sight of yourself, and Zero-Sum.
Anonymous 11/21/14 (Fri) 19:31:58 No. 3168
>>3166 And the Godhead is, and Amaranth is, when you stop seeing the pattern and the duality, and see the "I", the Tower, from the side. I never quite understood this part until now, or assuming I'm not entirely wrong about all this.
Anonymous 11/21/14 (Fri) 19:39:44 No. 3169
>>3165 >>3166 >>3168 This is perfect and so is this.
>>3152 People are having super awesome explanations that seem to be absolutely correct today.
Someone screencap those because this shit is good.
Anonymous 11/21/14 (Fri) 20:30:21 No. 3171
If mantling then is to be identical as another part of the pattern, and CHIM is to be identical to the whole pattern, and Zero-Sum is to have seen it without being identical to it, and Amaranth is to see beyond the beginning of the duality of the pattern… then what the fuck is Dagoth Ur? He can't embody the pattern, that'd be CHIM. He can't be looking at the pattern as an incomplete embodiment of it, that'd be Zero-Sum. He can't be looking beyond the duality, that'd be Amaranth. He can't just see his own shape of the pattern, then he'd be just another part of the recursion like most are. Perhaps he is "mad" because in his dream he is somehow looking at the whole pattern (not the "I") and seeing it as himself, thus twisting the pattern to become a recursion of his pattern within it?
Anonymous 11/22/14 (Sat) 04:27:03 No. 3198
>>3171 I sorta believe the whole Dagoth Ur Anti-CHIM thing is a big misinterpretation.
Anonymous 11/22/14 (Sat) 07:24:45 No. 3200
>>3198 me too
I don't think Dagoth Ur had CHIM, he was just bound to Heart of Lorkhan via tonal architecture and because of that he could reconstruct himself through it, maybe even escaping Dreamsleeve
And yes I do believe that he was trying to spread 6th House all over Morrowind, then Nirn and then Aurbis thus dominating the mind of the whole existence but that doesn't mean that he was reverse-CHIM or anything
Anonymous 11/22/14 (Sat) 14:07:21 No. 3207
>>3198 >>3200 True. Perhaps he's just another expression of stasis, one that unlike the Thalmor doesn't wish to revert to a higher/earlier form of stasis but rather wants to make stasis win down to even the lowest/latest/smallest levels of the pattern? If so, poor Lorkhan, his Heart was being twisted into doing the exact opposite of what he intended when he masterminded the creation of the Arena, while the Thalmor merely seek to unravel the Arena.
Anonymous 11/22/14 (Sat) 19:59:33 No. 3218
>>3200 >maybe even escaping Dreamsleeve Opposite actually, Dagoth Ur lived in the Dreamsleeve. The reason why he would never truly die in the real world was because his godform in the Dreamsleeve kept on dreaming that he survived.
Anonymous 11/23/14 (Sun) 03:35:56 No. 3244
>>3218 Do we even know what the Dreamsleeve is?
Anonymous 11/23/14 (Sun) 03:50:19 No. 3245
>>3244 The Dreamsleeve is a place where souls are recycled to be reborn.
On some occasions it is used to send messages.
Anonymous 11/23/14 (Sun) 09:40:42 No. 3249
>>3245 There is nothing about souls being reborn in the Dreamsleeve. The only source on that is Mankar talking about the "Dreaming Sleeve of birth". Everything else talks about how souls are assigned to their respectively aligned Aedric Plane(t) or Oblivion Realm after death.
Anonymous 11/23/14 (Sun) 16:46:49 No. 3261
>>3245 >>3249 Souls being reborn in Dreamsleeve are sourced with Love Letter and Cammoran
As for
>Aedric Plane(t) or Oblivion Realm after death. That is wrong. Oblivion realm after death is correct but there is not a single religion on all of Tamriel that believes that they go to Aedric Planes…because they are dead.
Aldmeri believe that they join Gods in Aetherius. Nords believe in Sovngarde which is supposedly in Aetherius/On Moons/Both/None at the same time/We don't know. Cyrodiilic is similar to Aldmeri. Yoku talk about Far Shores. Argonians go back to HIST hivemind. Khajiit go to Jone and Jode. With Dunmer it's strange, a lot of them sort of stay as ghosts in ancestrial tombs but it can be assumed that they believe in going to Daedric planes of Azura/Boethiah/Mephala. Bosmer are probably similar to Altmer but add some Y'ffre bullshit. Breton are culturally and religiously mix of Aldmeri and Empire. I have yet to see a single mention of anyone going to Aedric planes, majority believe that they go to Aetherius or that Divines reside in Aetherius so again go to Aetherius, while Dreamsleeve is supposedly in Aetherius.
That being said there is little to no info about it anyway.
Anonymous 11/23/14 (Sun) 17:13:44 No. 3263
>>3261 In the Loveletter, it quite clearly states
>Death results in reappropriation of spirit towards its aligned AE—either to the god-planet Aedra or the Principalities of Oblivion. I think Jubal-lun-Sul would know his shit.
Anonymous 11/23/14 (Sun) 17:33:37 No. 3266
>>3249 >>3263 >Then did Maruhk know a Right Reaching, that one devoted in Proper Life and Ehlnotic Annulment shall persist beyond the illusion of death – for indeed, the drive to expunge corruption can conquer even the Arkayn Cycle. -The Illusion of Death
-The Fucking Loveletter
Anonymous 11/23/14 (Sun) 18:02:45 No. 3269
>>3266 Neither of those quotes state that the Dreamsleeve is where souls go.
Anonymous 11/23/14 (Sun) 20:09:55 No. 3278
>>3269 That doesn't matter. Both of those quotes state that reincarnation is a thing, and Mankar states that people are born through the Dreamsleeve.
Anonymous 11/23/14 (Sun) 20:12:55 No. 3279
Is there any lore information about the fact of wielding strange material swords/armor? What's more fancy between the whole Tamriel? Is wearing daedric armor considered any normal? What's the standard?
Anonymous 11/23/14 (Sun) 23:59:21 No. 3288
>>3278 The quote from the Illusion of Death doesn't seem to speak of reincarnation, but immortality or apotheosis granted by enlightenment.
Nobody doubts reincarnation is a thing. After all, we have the Nerevarine. But it appears to be the exception rather than the rule, brought back by the divine meddling of Azura. There are ghosts in Sovngarde far older than Nerevar was, and why aren't they reincarnated yet? The vague mention of "the soon recycled" in the Loveletter I don't think necessarily refers to reincarnation. Otherwise, why would it contradict itself by saying immediately afterwards souls are diverted to their patron deity? Perhaps recycling refers to their rebirth in the Plane(t)s/Oblivion/Aetherius/whatever.
I think the "dreaming-sleeve of birth" may not even refer to the state before being conceived. I wouldn't know. It just seems pretty out of place when every other mention of the Dreamsleeve is as a method to access information.
Anonymous 11/24/14 (Mon) 00:49:46 No. 3289
>>3288 Say, why the Nerevarine, anyway? Why was it so important to bring back that guy in particular, when he doesn't even have any memories or anything binding him to his previous incarnation? I mean, assuming he's actually Nerevar reborn, has that been confirmed? Was Azura just that set on poetic justice, or did she want to fan his Trueflame? Or did Dagoth's strange existence somehow warrant bringing back someone that he would recognize (as the guy who killed him) from the past?
Anonymous 11/24/14 (Mon) 01:49:44 No. 3291
>>3289 Azura always planned on reincarnating Nerevar and throwing him at the Tribunal, because she's a giant cunt like that.
But then Dagoth was starting to gather enough power to worry even the Divines and the Princes, so they all got to together and decided the best course of action was to borrow Azura's cosmic hitman and use him to deal with the problem. And much to everyone's surprise, Vivec was not only okay with this, but even helped.
Or something like that. It gets complicated with all the dragon breaks and chim bullshit involved
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1L7QObnjhNk
Anonymous 11/24/14 (Mon) 02:19:02 No. 3293
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>>3288 >The quote from the Illusion of Death doesn't seem to speak of reincarnation, but immortality or apotheosis granted by enlightenment. What exactly do you think "Arkayn Circle" means? The quote is stating that death is an illusion and is only a repetitive cycle that was made to be broken. This is the whole point of death. Lorkhan created it so that mortals who go through it can realize that it's not even real and then jump past it.
Anonymous 11/24/14 (Mon) 08:10:41 No. 3309
>>3288 >>3289 >>3291 Bollocks
Azura has no possibly way at all to incarnate someone
This isn't even an Umaril situation, Azura has no possibly way to just break the veil like that
It's just that she was forcing people all of Nirn who were similar to Nerevar from birth to mantle him, it's a mantling Tricks similar to how Sheo basically leads you through mantling to mantle him in Shivering Isles.
Anonymous 11/26/14 (Wed) 13:11:54 No. 3409
>>8 I thought there were supposedly eight ways? Eightfold Path and whatnot.
Anonymous 11/26/14 (Wed) 14:49:48 No. 3415
>>3409 >http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:The_36_Lessons_of_Vivec >Six are the vests and garments worn by the suppositions of men. >Six are the formulas to heaven by violence, one that you have learned by studying these words. >Six are the walking ways, from enigma to enemy to teacher. >Six are the guardians of Veloth, three before and they are born again, and they will test you until you have the proper tendencies of a hero. Eightfold is number of spokes on Tower.
Anonymous 11/26/14 (Wed) 14:59:56 No. 3417
>>3415 Thanks for clearing that up.
Anonymous 11/26/14 (Wed) 16:37:15 No. 3424
>>16 Does anyone know what this puzzle box was about?
Does it bear plans to dwemer weapons of mass destruction?
What are these 1008 cyrodilic weapons of rapture? or the dreamsleeve P.R.I.S.M.?
Is the EC trying to harness Tamriel's strongest artifacts to combat the Thalmor?
Anonymous 11/26/14 (Wed) 16:47:07 No. 3426
>>3424 >Does anyone know what this puzzle box was about? Artifact that Elder Council needed
probably a key to some Dwemer artifact similar to that shit cube you find in Skyrim to open Elder Scroll case
>What are these 1008 cyrodilic weapons of rapture? or the dreamsleeve P.R.I.S.M.? some unspecified metaphysical weapons that can rape shit
>Is the EC trying to harness Tamriel's strongest artifacts to combat the Thalmor? EC predates current Thalmor and are direct continuation of Marukhati
They have their own agenda of some sort
Anonymous 11/27/14 (Thu) 11:52:31 No. 3464
>>3424 >Does anyone know what this puzzle box was about? It had directions on it to create a key. Hasphat makes one for you if you talk to him about the cube after you turn in the quest. It opens up some doors in Arkngthand. Perhaps it opens up other things.
What I'm really curious about is the skull of Llevule Andrano.
Novice Lorefetcher 11/27/14 (Thu) 13:07:38 No. 3469
>>3464 Well, yeah, I knew about the key. I opened the lock to Lower Ark-whatever with a spell while searching for the cube. Shit was Septims.
But it can't be that that puzzle box only gives instructions to a key for an easily picked lock in a rather uninteresting Dwemer Ruin if the Elder Council wants it. And if there is something big down there, why would Hasphat just give the key to some not-so-random outlander who could just sell it to a random smuggler?
I think we have two possibilities:
1) While part of the EC, Hasphat just wanted the puzzle box for personal research on Dwemer, so it really wasn't of big importance.
>This would also explain why they didn't just send a couple of trained soldiers down there to fetch it. I don't think the EC fucks around if it wants an artifact of importance. 2) The puzzle box was of great importance, and Hasphat had the key to LA even before you gave him the puzzle box to make it seem unimportant, to cover the affair up.
>This would also explain why they didn't just send soldiers down there. About the skull of Llevule Andrano: We know that Orc "healer" is a necromancer.
Maybe it's just the last piece needed to raise a skeleton?
Anonymous 11/27/14 (Thu) 19:22:09 No. 3486
>>3469 It's not like the EC weren't aware of Dagoth Ur or why the Outlander was sent Morrowind.
Why that skull in particular, though? It obviously wasn't going to be some regular skeleton guardian.
Anonymous 11/27/14 (Thu) 20:53:24 No. 3492
Who are the Ideal Masters?
Anonymous 11/27/14 (Thu) 21:08:01 No. 3496
>>3492 Probably a group of man/mer necromancers that ascended. They think they're hot shit because they have their own plane of existence.
Anonymous 11/27/14 (Thu) 21:10:51 No. 3497
>>3426 >some unspecified metaphysical weapons that can rape shit While I know you said they're unspecified, do they at all explain how they can rape shit? Is it like cheap-ass mod anime swords that do 100,000,000 damage, something that would cause what we see as a glitch, or something more "real" like splitting atoms and nuking a continent?
Anonymous 11/27/14 (Thu) 21:16:51 No. 3498
>>3492 couple of mortals of some origin that created their own Daedric Realm
Anonymous 11/28/14 (Fri) 10:39:42 No. 3519
>>3498 I wonder how many Oblivion realms not associated with Daedric Princes there are. There's the Soul Cairn of the Ideal Masters, formerly Black Marsh of the Hist, and if you believe Mankar Camoran funposting :^), Nirn.
Anonymous 11/28/14 (Fri) 13:17:34 No. 3520
>>3519 There are supposedly infinite smaller realms that just spawn out of nowhere
Anonymous 11/28/14 (Fri) 17:02:33 No. 3523
>>3496 Is it possible that it's Mannimarco's realm after he ascends? Or is that stupid?
Anonymous 11/28/14 (Fri) 18:53:04 No. 3527
>>3523 No because Soul Cairn existed before Mannimarco ascended
And Mannimarcos realm is Necromancers moon which is in Mundus not in Oblivion, it spins around Arkay
Anonymous 11/28/14 (Fri) 19:21:48 No. 3528
>>3523 Mannimarco became a god in one and remained a mortal in most other timelines of the Daggerfall dragonbreak. When they merged, there was both a god Mannimarco and a mortal Mannimarco.
As
>>3527 said, the necromancer moon or revenant moon is associated with Mannimarco; I would go further and say that it is the plane/t that god-Mannimarco has become, much like the Aedra themselves are plane/ts.
You kill the mortal Mannimarco in Oblivion, but the divine Mannimarco is out in the Aurbis, orbiting the plane/t of Arkay, blocking the influence of Arkay on Nirn to give the necromancers reprieve.
Anonymous 11/28/14 (Fri) 19:31:04 No. 3531
What does the Empire trade with Black Marsh? Why no stories from sailors?
Anonymous 11/28/14 (Fri) 19:41:44 No. 3532
>>3531 A) All sorts of exotic shit probably including HIST sap which is supposed to be super rare and expansive
B) Because they don't sail into heart of BM, they go to Imperial ports and cities on shores of Black Marsh, Empire has never really been to the heart of Black Marsh, nor has any man ever I think.
Anonymous 11/28/14 (Fri) 20:55:46 No. 3533
>>3532 Any significant further reading on the Imperial ports and cities? Observations about native Argonians, or anything?
Anonymous 11/28/14 (Fri) 22:18:35 No. 3537
>>3527 >No because Soul Cairn existed before Mannimarco ascended Except when you reach heaven by violence your god-form has always existed.
>And Mannimarcos realm is Necromancers moon which is in Mundus not in Oblivion, it spins around Arkay The ending of Daggerfall states that Mannimarco "joins the ranks of the Gods of Oblivion". How he enters Mundus, I don't know, but he does.
Anonymous 11/29/14 (Sat) 02:34:15 No. 3540
>>3537 Isn't there mention in Morrowind of Azura's Star, as in an actual star and not a soul gem, appearing during dusk and dawn? Maybe Plane(t)s of Oblivion are only visible during specific times. Revenant eclipses Arkay every eight days as in Oblivion, Azura's Moonshadow appears during twilight. I don't fucking know.
Anonymous 11/29/14 (Sat) 05:24:05 No. 3545
>>3533 there was actually something like this but I can't remember the source
Anonymous 11/29/14 (Sat) 19:07:20 No. 3553
>>3537 Also, don't dragonbreaks cause things to be retroactively? So the Soul Cairn would appear to have existed before Mannimarco ascended if it his realm. Or is this another thing I'm misinterpreting?
Anonymous 11/29/14 (Sat) 22:14:05 No. 3554
>>3553 sometimes it's retroactive
sometimes remnants of past time remain
but that's besides the point, it's just that from the info we have and from dialogue you can ahve with Ideal Masters in Battlspire game it seems that they were bunch of mortals who made a realm
If you have your own ideas and can source it and stuff, go ahead man
Anonymous 11/30/14 (Sun) 00:36:29 No. 3556
My brain is going to explode from all this new information.
Anonymous 11/30/14 (Sun) 09:06:56 No. 3565
Anonymous 11/30/14 (Sun) 09:57:40 No. 3566
>>24 T-thanks for the clarification, Azura. I now understand that Dwemers were all dirty blasphemers.
Anonymous 12/01/14 (Mon) 00:46:31 No. 3575
The faces seen in Dwemer ruins, are they depictions of Numidium?
Also, is there a real translation of the Egg of Time, or was it just random Dwemer runes?
>>3426 Currently doing a playthrough of Skyrim (modded of course), and in the Quest "Discerning the Transmundane", basically you focus an Elder Scroll's knowledge on a puzzle box so it can be extracted in non-mindbreaking bits.
Could it be the Elder Council wanted to make the Elder Scrolls easier to read with that puzzle box?
That would at least explain their fascination with the dwemer.
I somehow doubt Hermaneus Mora was lying to his tool, but obviously the "heart of a god" in that lock box simply could not have been Lorkhan's heart, as it was destroyed in the Red year. Are Elder Scrolls of interest to Hermaneus Mora?
Anonymous 12/01/14 (Mon) 13:39:30 No. 3587
>>3575 >Could it be the Elder Council wanted to make the Elder Scrolls easier to read with that puzzle box? That is fucking genius
It might be true, the device that Dwemer used to read Elder Scrolls
Anonymous 12/01/14 (Mon) 13:41:45 No. 3588
>>3575 >as it was destroyed in the Red year Not true. You did not destroy Heart of Lorkhan, you actually freed it and it's not locked down anymore by Dwemer Tonal Architecture, that's actually one the first thing that Azura tells you in ending cinematic.
Anonymous 12/01/14 (Mon) 16:18:07 No. 3590
>>944 >Lord Loss I love you. Shan's Demonata series is good stuff.
Anonymous 12/01/14 (Mon) 21:38:03 No. 3592
>>3588 So if the Heart is free and off doing fuck all, what is the Numidium itself doing between Daggerfall and c0da?
Anonymous 12/01/14 (Mon) 23:25:28 No. 3596
>>3588 But it's the stone of red mountain.
Has Red Mountain erupted because Lorkhan's Heart disappeared?
Anonymous 12/02/14 (Tue) 15:07:51 No. 3611
>>3592 all of the Numidiums in Daggerfall Dragonbreak got destroyed except for one
according to MK that one version of Numidium is in untimes fighting Mirror Logicians
>>3596 >But it's the stone of red mountain. Hence why Red Mountain is deactivated tower
>Has Red Mountain erupted because Lorkhan's Heart disappeared? No, Red Mountain erupted because Baar Dau dropped causing earthquakes which caused eruption
Anonymous 12/02/14 (Tue) 16:52:36 No. 3614
>>3611 Oh.
I think I'd better not question how a small rock hovering 20 meters above the ground can cause such havoc.
Nor should I question why the Ordinators didn't just tell their last prisoners to tear Baar Dau down with pick axes, or why nobody thought of that after Vivec disappeared.
Anonymous 12/02/14 (Tue) 18:07:34 No. 3615
>>3614 Have you even played Morrowind?
Anonymous 12/02/14 (Tue) 18:37:06 No. 3618
>>3614 >I think I'd better not question how a small rock hovering 20 meters above the ground can cause such havoc. Because when Vivecs powers stopped holding it and when Ingenium stopped working it continued the fall with the velocity it was originally falling with, so yeah a 20 meters (actually bigger because lore wise it's bigger) meteorite hit Morrowind at high velocity
>Nor should I question why the Ordinators didn't just tell their last prisoners to tear Baar Dau down with pick axes, or why nobody thought of that after Vivec disappeared. Did you even read any of the post Oblivion lore at all?
Anonymous 12/02/14 (Tue) 18:37:29 No. 3619
>>3615 Yes I did. Care to tell me what idiotic statements I've made now?
Anonymous 12/02/14 (Tue) 19:04:47 No. 3621
>>3619 Not idiotic at all, but it's in the Sermons, or at least the part about how it could cause such havoc.
Anonymous 12/02/14 (Tue) 19:05:24 No. 3622
>>3619 >>3618 only legit complaint is
>why didn't they mine it till it was gone and answer is because they were still using it and they were sure that no one would turn off Ingenium…but then Sul came
Anonymous 12/02/14 (Tue) 20:34:41 No. 3623
>>3611 >all of the Numidiums in Daggerfall Dragonbreak got destroyed except for one Why do so many people say this? No, it was not the fucking Numidium in Daggerfall, it was the Numidium Tiber used to siege Alinor.
Anonymous 12/03/14 (Wed) 07:31:18 No. 3635
>>3623 Why the fuck do people keep saying that? There are Numidiums that did not get destroyed in Warp in the West, why can't it be one of them
Novice Lorefetcher 12/03/14 (Wed) 17:44:50 No. 3654
>>3621 I didn't find all Sermons in the game. They're kinda hard to track down, and I was more focused on other parts of the lore, to be honest. Like the Dwemer.
>>3618 I'm still a Novice Lorefetcher. Still a lot to learn, and many sometimes seemingly dumb questions to ask.
I just forgot to enable my namefetchery on this board again.
>>3622 Seems kind off short sighted, doesn't it? A case for Captain Hindsight.
>>3611 More than one Numidium? Has that to do with his time popping?
Anonymous 12/03/14 (Wed) 19:56:48 No. 3664
So after reaching a certain point in the MW main quest, the part where you meet mehra milo andthe ash landers specifically, is it possible to justify the player remaining in the temple faction?
Anonymous 12/03/14 (Wed) 20:21:24 No. 3665
>>3664 The Temple actually locks you from questing or advancing if you are a member and have got Moon and Star.
After the main quest, I suppose you can explain it as being involved in the whole restructuring of the Temple that Vivec talked about.
Anonymous 12/03/14 (Wed) 21:05:05 No. 3667
>>3635 >The Surrender of Alinor happened in one hour, but Numidium's siege lasted from the Mythic Era UNTIL LONG INTO THE FIFTH. -
http://www.imperial-library.info/content/forum-archives-michael-kirkbride >There are Numidiums that did not get destroyed in Warp in the West I would love to see your fucking source for this.
Anonymous 12/24/14 (Wed) 10:48:56 No. 4169
GET HYPE
Anonymous 12/24/14 (Wed) 16:38:06 No. 4172
>>4169 >TES telltale game where you play as Vivec Oh god, would play.
Anonymous 12/25/14 (Thu) 08:48:56 No. 4185
>>4169 I have the weirdest muatra right now.
Anonymous 12/25/14 (Thu) 16:18:25 No. 4194
>tfw Tales of TES will happen >>4169
Anonymous 12/26/14 (Fri) 05:27:17 No. 4203
>>4172 >>4194 I seriously doubt that Bethesda will let another company make Elder Scrolls games.
Anonymous 12/26/14 (Fri) 16:57:34 No. 4207
>>4203 I really hope you are right
Anonymous 01/18/15 (Sun) 20:40:33 No. 4590
>>4589 That wasn't really another company, so much as their well meaning but sort of stupid half brother who had played a bunch of WoW and wanted to try making a game.
Anonymous 01/19/15 (Mon) 21:42:09 No. 4617
So who the fuck is the underking?
Anonymous 01/20/15 (Tue) 03:10:03 No. 4636
>>4617 MK, when asked about this, said "A better question would be, 'Who are the Underkings?'"
The first Underking was Wulfharth of Atmora, and the second was Zurin Arctus, who inherited the role of Underking after being entangled in entantiomorphic bullshit. There might be more, but they are unknown.
Anonymous 01/20/15 (Tue) 03:27:10 No. 4639
>>4636 There's also the many underkings who secretly rule the Mundus from the shadows. That stuff didn't quite make it into Oblivion in anything more than insinuations.
Anonymous 01/20/15 (Tue) 03:40:02 No. 4640
>>4636 Arctus didn't inherit the title, as that implies Wulfharth lost it. Both Wulfharth and Arctus were Underkings at the same time.
>>4639 Elaborate?
Anonymous 01/20/15 (Tue) 03:49:12 No. 4642
>>4640 I do know in that "Akavir says get out to the Otherkin: Get Out" text there was a mention of a "Farthest Eastern Underking" or something along those lines.
Anonymous 01/20/15 (Tue) 21:45:23 No. 4681
>>4169 Not all that hyped, TES wasn't and isn't exactly a one man show. MK working somewhere doesn't mean the result's automatically awesome.
Anonymous 01/21/15 (Wed) 21:41:33 No. 4703
>>4642 I honestly consider all that Post-C0DA lore null. I have no idea why people treat this whole 'Akavir is Amaranth' business as gospel when everything after C0DA was supposed to be up to our own interpretations. I couldn't give less of a fuck about what MK says happens after the New Man is born, especially since MK himself said that the Amaranth was supposed to be the endpoint of his mythology.
Anonymous 01/21/15 (Wed) 22:26:57 No. 4704
Anonymous 01/21/15 (Wed) 22:27:18 No. 4705
>>4642 Mojo here. That's me.
Anonymous 01/21/15 (Wed) 22:28:56 No. 4706
>>4640 The Mythic Dawn was supposed to be a whole lot larger in the sense that it had its fingers in every ruling government in the lands. Time and development constraints tapered that back a bit and is only thinly alluded to by making rather bold conclusions based off of very little fact.
Anonymous 01/31/15 (Sat) 17:21:56 No. 5019
Not trolling.
Anonymous 01/31/15 (Sat) 23:02:36 No. 5029
Anonymous 01/31/15 (Sat) 23:25:47 No. 5030
>>5019 >obscure vocabulary and references Examples please?
Anonymous 02/01/15 (Sun) 10:37:00 No. 5044
>>5030 All examples come from /r/teslore
"The Dominion surrenders, but the Mirror Logicians (wizards, to be unfairly brief) trap Numidium."
Whoever the person who wrote about the "Mirror Logicians" is pulled the name out of their ass and accompanied it with 2 sentences of lore. You're not a fucking historian for throwing about made-up names and talking about oh-how-reductive you are by not expanding on their non-existent background which you're implicitly an expert in amirite.
When asked "what are the planets", one user helpfully contributed:
"Accumulated creatia, the raw stuff of possibility, pouring out of stars and formed into realms by the spirits governing those stars."
If this isn't barfing obscure references at a question to obfuscate people enough so they get an inflated view of your intelligence, I don't know what is.
Someone discussing CHIM
"I think it's more of an All Encompassing Love derived out of Selfish Love coupled with the realization that I AM AND I ARE ALL WE. So basically you love everything because you become One with the Godhead and become Everything."
Herpa derp my philosophy class taught me really smart people capitalize shit randomly to emphasize their super smart understanding of concepts, therefore I'm like really really smart.
Another explanation of CHIM
"Super Short Answer - Knowing you are but a dream, a construct, a bit of imagination and thought of something or someone else and technically do not exist, yet continuing to exist with the knowledge that you area also an independent entity in your own right."
That's not a super-short answer. That's the fucking answer. Again one of the unending attempts at trying to parade made up simplistic concepts as deep philosophical revelations.
Anonymous 02/01/15 (Sun) 16:21:09 No. 5049
>>5044 >Mirror Logicians This word was made up by MK. It has something to do with mages that fight Numidium on all its varying timelines that it fucks up.
I think this is another MK made term, basically atoms, but, fucking magical or something.
Have to agree with you here. I have always fucking hated it when people made their own terms out of this, its such a stupid way of saying "I'm me and I am the universe"
But this is also another MK thing, its based from the Loveletter, which says "I ARE ALL WE".
If you don't want to deal with pseudo-philosophers, I reccomend you stay away from /r/teslore. I really hate that site, and how it is now becoming the standard place where people discuss the lore. People treat their own headcanons like its the law over their.
Anonymous 02/01/15 (Sun) 18:48:13 No. 5052
>>5049 That's fair enough.
I think TES Lore as it is in the games is so amazing, but tbh the more I got into the lore community, the more ridiculous and unappealing they made the lore appear to me. Maybe I just have to find better platforms to discuss this stuff, this forum seems a lot more grounded and enjoyable so far than the stuff you find on Reddit.
02/02/15 (Mon) 09:28:25 No. 5075
Just to get clarity when the firmament says that the serpent is made of 'unstars' is it saying that they are like black holes? I don't exactly know how the serpent fits into the whole light of Aetherius whatnot since it defies the definitions placed by the light and the dark.
Anonymous 02/02/15 (Mon) 11:09:42 No. 5077
>>5075 In Redguard, you could view the constellations through a telescope. The Serpent looked less like a constellation, and more like some kinda optical distortion of the surrounding stars.
02/03/15 (Tue) 01:31:05 No. 5095
>>5077 oh so it is just black holes then
Anonymous 02/03/15 (Tue) 04:24:36 No. 5099
>>5095 I wouldn't automatically assume black holes.
Anonymous 02/05/15 (Thu) 10:51:47 No. 5123
>>5099 I suppose its pointless to attribute astronomical properties in a world a large bifurcated man floats in space and his corpses halves have apparently achieved hydrostatic equilibrium and there is a planet that is literally flat
speculation but it seems likely given sheogoraths tenancies
Anonymous 02/05/15 (Thu) 11:09:43 No. 5124
>>5099 okay so thinking on it more I think it has to be a cluster of some kind of anti-magic
sort of like a ward maybe? .
The serpent travels along the sky threatening the other constellations well what would a hole to aetherius have to worry about? The answer would be a constellation that blocks their path and steals their essence. The serpent will distort the space around it because it is devouring the magicka that flows through which is perceived as light on nirn. Another consideration is that the major constellations include one of the 8 divines in them in some way and the planets all contain and infinite amount of matter and energy which makes something that sucks magicka like the serpent a very large threat.
sources
The Serpent and Other
The Firmament
Dwarven Orrey
MK's stuff
Anonymous 02/10/15 (Tue) 14:36:55 No. 5169
>>5044 lol is thinking too hard for you?
Anonymous 02/10/15 (Tue) 21:10:04 No. 5179
>>5169 The problem is they are thinking for the sake of thinking.
It's all mental masturbation.
Which is actually fine, but don't act like it's anything worth reading.
Anonymous 02/12/15 (Thu) 23:24:23 No. 5245
>>5179 >mental masturbation I should use this term more often.
Anonymous 02/21/15 (Sat) 16:25:07 No. 5496
Can someone explain what the hell happened during the Middle Dawn to me?
Anonymous 02/22/15 (Sun) 02:33:59 No. 5501
Anonymous 02/22/15 (Sun) 13:14:24 No. 5564
>>1650 But Orsimer are not elves. Then why the suffix?
Anonymous 02/22/15 (Sun) 14:46:10 No. 5566
>>5564 Except Orsimer are elves…
Anonymous 02/22/15 (Sun) 17:59:12 No. 5569
Timelines subject to debate
Anonymous 02/25/15 (Wed) 11:14:57 No. 5635
Non lorefetcher her
Anonymous 02/25/15 (Wed) 21:35:03 No. 5641
>>5635 >Are the "Dawn" and "C0DA" eras dragon breaks? It would be better to say that Dragon Breaks are more like less extreme Dawn Eras. C0DA is in just another Dawn Era.
>What time do the games actually take place? Not sure what you are saying here. Are you asking what years each game is supposed to be in?
Arena: 3E 389-3E 399
Daggerfall: 3E 405
Redguard: 2E 864
Shadowkey: 3E 397
Morrowind: 3E 427
Oblivion: 3E 433
Skyrim: 4E 201
>If one realizes they are in the "dream" that is Mundus and aetherium they become divinity or zero sum. What distinguishes one from the other? Other than remembering your identity?
It's not realizing you're in a dream but instead realizing that everything is one thing by seeing the entire universe. If you are unable to look at everything and say that you are separate from it, you are destroyed.
>Wouldn't killing the godhead destroy the universe? You mine as well ask
wouldn't killing the universe destroy the universe .
Anonymous 02/26/15 (Thu) 16:56:36 No. 5661
>>28 Are we completely sure that Argonians are treemen?I red that they worship Hist but being they ancestors…
Trainwiz 02/27/15 (Fri) 23:23:35 No. 5689
>>5661 They're either a native species that was mutated by the Hist (which is apparently possible, there's stuff about bosmer-argonians and whatnot) or some sort of offshoot of the Hist created as a serving race. Either way they owe their existence to the Hist.
Anonymous 03/03/15 (Tue) 14:04:45 No. 5735
>>5689 I believe it's been implied there is such a thing as Saxhleel not being Argonians, which would imply they might have a heritage unrelated to the hist.
Also, by the bosmer-argonians, do you refer to the Arena argonians? If so, weren't they supposed to be Dunmer?
Anonymous 03/06/15 (Fri) 10:46:50 No. 5802
>>5044 I'm pretty sure Mirror Logicians are pretty simple to understand.
Numidium destroys things by logically proving that since the world is a dream nothing exists. So a Mirror Logician reflects this line of reasoning back on Numidium, causing the big brass robot to be shunted off the main timeline in a fit of confusion. Of course since Numidium is a Tower this doesn't work for long so they have to keep doing this over and over again to keep him from fucking up the Isles.
But I agree the lore community can be annoyingly obtuse for the sake of seeming clever.
Anonymous 03/10/15 (Tue) 15:42:47 No. 5893
>>3533 There's the argonian account, which basically says that most stuff hauled in from the empire is already rotted.
Anonymous 03/10/15 (Tue) 15:49:24 No. 5895
>>3279 Daedric is not normal, pre-oblivion crisis. Only cool wizards had it. One of the book series has imperial soldiers in ebony and dwarven armour, mythril, made of moth silk, is Imperial traditional armour.
Iron, steel, is what a normal person would wear. Bouyant Armigers wore glass armour,
Daedric armour in Oblivion, maybe some bandits got lucky and killed a dremora. Maybe it got into the black market.
Skyrim, you have to forge it with rare daedra hearts, which aren't just lying around.
Morrowind there were less than 5 of each piece being Daedric, and they were all well hidden.
Dwarven is all over the underground, but salvage missions are dangerous. It is effectively a limited resource, but it doesn't seem like there's any bad results from continually melting it down and then reforming it.
Daggerfall, if you find a piece of Daedric armour, you save your game and thank Jesus.
Anonymous 03/11/15 (Wed) 11:48:49 No. 5907
>>5895 >Bouyant Armigers wore glass armour They wore chitin in Morrowind, with a few officers wearing glass.
Anonymous 03/20/15 (Fri) 00:41:52 No. 6063
I still the for the life of me don't understand how gods are viewed by different cultures.
Anonymous 03/20/15 (Fri) 16:26:55 No. 6076
>>6063 Most religions of Tamriel find their foundation in the Eight Aedra with varying interpretations and aspects of their roles with each respective culture. Cultural hero worship is also seen (for example, Nerevar, Ysmir, the Hoonding), along with culturally interpreted views of Daedra, seen most notably with the Reachmen.
I'd recommend reading Varieties of Faith in the Empire.
http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Varieties_of_Faith_in_the_Empire
Anonymous 03/23/15 (Mon) 09:58:03 No. 6143
>>13 What the ever-loving christ.
Anonymous 03/27/15 (Fri) 22:31:54 No. 6215
>>6143 I read c0da before i was really into lore and it confused the shit out of me too. It's okay though, keep reading and you will understand.
Anonymous 03/31/15 (Tue) 18:10:58 No. 6275
The cosmology is pretty cool in TES but do the different realms refer more to different planes or different realities or do they even exist in conventional 3d space? Also what are the stars in the night sky? Are they suns with their own solar systems? Do other planets and so on exist the way they do in our universe?
Anonymous 03/31/15 (Tue) 18:45:17 No. 6276
>>6275 To answer a small part of your question (and not in very much detail), just as the sun is a remnant of Magnus leaving Nirn, the stars are the Magna Ge, the Et'ada that helped Magnus. Hopefully someone else can elaborate on this a bit as I'm not too familiar myself
Anonymous 04/01/15 (Wed) 03:20:12 No. 6281
Is there any information going more in-depth about Tamriel's dating system? It's some absurdly autistic issue that I'm having, but the apparent mismatch between Oblivion and Skyrim has been bugging at me for a while.
Anonymous 04/07/15 (Tue) 01:07:35 No. 6354
>>6281 Can you elaborate a bit more on what exactly you don't understand about the dating?
Anonymous 04/08/15 (Wed) 17:28:14 No. 6373
So I was just reading the 36 lessons and something wondering if anyone has any idea why Vivec refers to Dumac as Dwarf-Orc. What do Orcs have to do with anything? Is it a metaphor or something? Not really expecting much seeing as how since its the 36 Lessons its obscure as all fuck, but if anyone has some insight please share
Anonymous 04/08/15 (Wed) 22:04:00 No. 6374
>>6373 Some people theorize that the creation of the Dunmer and the Orsimer are sort of linked, and that the Orsimer were actually a retroactive remnant of the Dwemer race, more specifically, the Rourken clan.
Its sort of hinted through things like Volendrung being associated with Malacath and etc.
It's elaborated hear
http://forums.bethsoft.com/topic/1508062-the-dwarf-orc-crackpot-theory-a-reconsideration/
Anonymous 04/09/15 (Thu) 13:53:20 No. 6380
>>6374 I'll admit I read that quickly but damn, that's interesting. I actually had been reading up on the Rourken clan on UESP recently and wondered about Volendrung myself. Thanks, anon
Anonymous 04/12/15 (Sun) 03:09:06 No. 6418
So, I see that you guys have touched on how Mankor Camoran talked about CHIM in the Mythic Dawn Commentaries.fuck was Camoran talking about and how hard was he channeling Kirkbride?
Anonymous 04/13/15 (Mon) 04:08:05 No. 6427
>>6418 >What the fuck was Camoran talking about The easiest TL;DR explanation of the Commentaries would be that Mankar believes that Dagon -the Prince of Revoltion- will free mortals from their laws and limits, finally achieving Lorkhan's desired
Nu-Mantia .
>how hard was he channeling Kirkbride Pretty fucking hard, sense he was the one who wrote it.
Have you read C0DA yet anon?
>Know that then you are royalty, a new breed of destroyer, whose garden shall flood with flowers known and unknown, as it was in the mythic dawn. Thus shall you return to your first primal wail and yet come out different. It shall this time be neonymbiosis, master akin to Master >in the garden of the Dawn we shall breathe whole realities. >Numantia cast down their jailer king, Maztiak, which the Xarxes Mysterium calls the Arkayn. >You, brother, are to sit with me in Paradise and be released of all unknowns. The Nu-Mantia (New-Law) that Mankar promises is the
Nu-Man flower-child state seen at the end of C0DA. The state from which one can become an Amaranth.
Anonymous 04/13/15 (Mon) 20:45:07 No. 6441
>>6354 I suppose it's mostly having to do with the transitions between eras; does the calendar feature leap years, or anything along those lines that would throw off the number of days in the year? I was comparing the weekdays of Oblivion and Skyrim, and if the Fourth Era really started with the year immediately following 3E 433, Skyrim should have begun on Middas, not Sundas. So I wasn't sure if I missed anything that would impact the year's progression, or if the events of Oblivion are supposed to extend until 437, or what-have-you.
Like I said, extremely autistic, but.
Anonymous 04/13/15 (Mon) 22:26:47 No. 6442
>>6441 I'm not entirely sure whether leap years are supposed to be a thing within TES lore. The most recent in-game calendar completely follows the Gregorian Calendar, save for the inclusion of leap years, and whether or not this is literal lore or the devs avoiding the inclusion of rather redundant mechanics, is not known.
I can't really confirm what you are saying as I have no idea what the starting day of Oblivion is.
Anonymous 04/14/15 (Tue) 12:28:38 No. 6445
>>6442 Oblivion starts on Morndas (27th Last Seed 3E433), and Skyrim on Sundas (17th Last Seed 4E201). Just following the Gregorian Calendar progression, if the years went 3E433 -> 4E00 -> 4E01…, it would make 27th Last Seed 4E201 fall on a Sundas. But, with the 17th being Sundas, that would make the 27th fall on Middas.
I'd figure that there were just ~4 years of padding between Eras, but I'm not sure how literally we're supposed to take the claims of the Fourth Era marking its start on the day Martin Septim died. I'm hoping not
completely literally, but…
Anonymous 04/14/15 (Tue) 22:23:34 No. 6456
>>6445 I think what you found is just a mistake on Bethesda's part then.
As for Era changes, 2920 and Brief History of the Empire state that the second and third eras both began on the first day of the next year. So I'd have to assume, seeing as the year doesn't actually change in oblivion, that the same applies to the starting of the fourth era.
Also, eras don't seem to count a year 0, they begin at 1.
Anonymous 04/16/15 (Thu) 15:55:14 No. 6483
>>5569 >Ever conquering the Elves of Resdayn The fuck? Source for this?
Anonymous 04/16/15 (Thu) 21:38:58 No. 6493
>>6483 They didn't conquer the entirety of Morrowind, but the Four Score War ended with a treaty that gave the Empire control over Morrowinds coastal territories and multiple other strategic fortresses.
f 04/16/15 (Thu) 22:27:54 No. 6496
Could the PC become self aware and become CHIM, thus making console command use always lore friendly?
Anonymous 04/17/15 (Fri) 02:21:40 No. 6503
>>6496 If you like shitty gamplay-lore analogies, than sure thing.
Anonymous 04/17/15 (Fri) 08:40:02 No. 6509
Was the Anvil prophet Pelinel?
Anonymous 04/18/15 (Sat) 02:56:48 No. 6515
>>6427 I actually got a synopsis of it yesterday.
Shit is
wild.
Anonymous 04/19/15 (Sun) 01:21:46 No. 6534
>>6509 I still say he is yet another manifestation of Talos/Shezarr/whatever the fuck is the Oversoul at that point
Anonymous 04/20/15 (Mon) 02:47:19 No. 6547
So I've only started looking into the lore of the elder scrolls a couple months ago and thought I had gained a pretty good grasp on it until I read the five songs of King Wulfharth… So were there actually nords, a resurrected king Wulfharth, and what I assume to be an aspect of Lorkhan (Shor) at the battle of red mountain? Also what the hell is a Shezzarine and is Talos one?
Anonymous 04/20/15 (Mon) 03:11:38 No. 6548
>>6547
Nords were there, as well as Orcs, serving as mercenaries. Not sure whose side they were on, it's implied Dagoth brought them over.
Shezzarines are incarnations of Lorkhan, and Talos definitely is/becomes one.
Anonymous 04/20/15 (Mon) 03:37:57 No. 6551
>>6548
Alright, but is there any reason they are left out of most accounts of the battle of red mountain? And what is the oversoul that I've heard be associated with Talos?
Anonymous 04/20/15 (Mon) 05:21:31 No. 6556
>>6551
I don't know the first answer, to be honest, although I can guess that it might be because The Battle of Red Mountain is so heavily propagandized and obscured by politically-charged accounts that outsiders tend to get ignored.
Regarding oversouls, do you know how some Hindu gods (or even the Holy Trinity in Christianity) have differing aspects within the same entity, which act as individuals? It's sort of like that. Jesus being a part of God The Almighty is like how Talos is part of Lorkhan (although much less recognized in religious discourse).
Anonymous 04/21/15 (Tue) 01:29:54 No. 6577
>>6551
>>6556
The reason why the Nords are left out of some accounts is because the Battle of Red Mountain took place within a Dragon Break. Because of this, it is implied that in some timelines, the Nords were not present there.
Take note of all the other varying inconsistencies surrounding the events of the Red Moment.
Talos, the god, is not a part of Lorkhan, he mantled Lorkhan; he is not part of some Lorkhan trinity. However, Hjalti, Wulfharth, and Arctus are the three individual Shezarrines that form the oversoul that is the god Talos
Anonymous 04/29/15 (Wed) 01:00:49 No. 6756
I'm wondering if I can get an info dump on The Atronach Birthsign?
Anonymous 04/30/15 (Thu) 01:38:55 No. 6768
>>6756
There's literally nothing on it beyond people that are born under it having enhanced magical abilities.
The lack of lore surrounding the constellations is shameful.
Anonymous 05/01/15 (Fri) 01:26:25 No. 6796
>>6768
Well, it would stand to reason that the starsigns' effects are caused by some form of magic leaking through from Aetherius, would it not?
Anonymous 05/01/15 (Fri) 02:34:35 No. 6798
>mfw whole this thread with all this lore information
Like it wasn't enough that this games are satanic…
Anonymous 05/04/15 (Mon) 11:44:59 No. 6864
>>3497
Et Ada Eight Aedra Eat the Dreamer explains one of them.
Anonymous 05/04/15 (Mon) 21:01:02 No. 6871
>>6796
Possibly, though the constellations themselves are images, of sorts, of what remains of the past dream's creation. I feel like this, would have to do with the birthsigns more than some specific magick.
Anonymous 05/15/15 (Fri) 10:21:50 No. 7053
>>14
I have a question now. If the dreamsleeve is a thing…what the fuck are ghosts? Why does one need silver (at least in the earlier games) to harm them? What happens when one destroys a ghost?
Anonymous 05/15/15 (Fri) 22:03:24 No. 7062
>>7053
>Some spirits are bound to this world because of some terrible circumstances of their death, or because of some powerful emotional bond to a person, place, or thing. These are called hauntings.
>Some spirits are captured and bound to enchanted items by wizards. If the binding is involuntary, the spirit usually goes mad. A willing spirit may or may not retain its sanity, depending on the strength of the spirit and the wisdom of the enchanter.
>Some spirits are bound against their wills to protect family shrines. This unpleasant fate is reserved for those who have not served the family faithfully in life. Dutiful and honorable ancestral spirits often aid in the capture and binding of wayward spirits.
http://www.imperial-library.info/content/ancestors-and-dunmer-abridged
As for the whole silver thing:
>magic
Anonymous 05/16/15 (Sat) 10:18:45 No. 7074
>>7062
So ghosts are just spirits that haven't made it out of Nirn and to the dreamsleeve? And this perversion of the natural order slowly drives them mad?
Anonymous 05/16/15 (Sat) 18:28:35 No. 7081
>>7074
Pretty much, yah.
Except hauntings could be considered more of a footprint than the real mortal soul. Just imprints of intense emotion left on the world. Good examples:
>Dwemer Ghosts
Dwemer souls were glued onto Numidium, but there are still ghosts of their emotions.
>Svaknir and Olaf
That bard who is imprisoned by Olaf One-Eye for his poem, and then seeks revenge as a ghost. Olaf awakens on Nirn when the Bard enters his tomb, despite being in Sovngarde.
>Wuuthrad
The reason Wuuthrad does extra damage to elves without enchantment is because it is literally haunted by Ysgramor's grief
>From that vantage point, he watched as Saarthal—the first city—burned. A swollen sky poured rain upon the flames and upon the sea. And the greatest of us all wept bitter tears
>Ysgramor wept tears of purest ebony. His eldest, Yngol, collected the tears in a stein and held his father in a warm embrace
>Yngol, eldest son to the Harbinger of us all, was the greatest smith our people have ever known
>Yngol presented him with a mighty axe, hewn from the sorrow that had laid him low just the night before
>Ysgramor named his axe Wuuthrad, which means "Storm's Tears" in the language of Atmora
http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Songs_of_the_Return,_Vol_5
Anonymous 05/30/15 (Sat) 02:29:22 No. 7369
dunno where else to ask, but where are those 2 sexy gifs of the Necromancer women in Daggerfall?
Anonymous 05/30/15 (Sat) 02:43:50 No. 7370
>>27
Theres been another one made since then by /r/teslore
Anonymous 05/30/15 (Sat) 02:45:07 No. 7371
>>5661
>>5689
>>5735
ESO established that The Hist and the Argonians are the same thing. The Hist sap is the Hist's soul made physical and consumed by an Argonian. Argonian souls return to the Hist when they die and apparently Argonians gain souls from the Hist when they lick the tree. They are one and the same thing.
Anonymous 06/02/15 (Tue) 18:00:31 No. 7467
OP here, I'm returning with more lore.
Anonymous 06/06/15 (Sat) 01:55:14 No. 7527
>>7470
One thing that I don't quite understand about Aka and Lorkhan sharing the same body is why there are separate plane(t)s (Masser and secunda for Lorkhan and Akatosh for Aka/Akatosh) that are apparently their separate husks.
Anonymous 06/10/15 (Wed) 04:49:16 No. 7569
>>137
im part of /tg/'s /tgesg/
Anonymous 06/16/15 (Tue) 00:02:25 No. 7595
>>7569
tfw there's only 10 of us here
Anonymous 06/26/15 (Fri) 14:34:45 No. 7654
>>7595
11
I just found this board.
<3 TES
Anonymous 06/28/15 (Sun) 17:13:39 No. 7660
I have a question concerning the Sload.
After they released the Thrassian Plague, the All Flags navy went to Thras and allegedly slaughtered them to extinction and sank Thras itself.
The question i pose is, in some of the Corpse Preperation novels in Morrowind, it mentions Sload sailing into Tear to harvest slaves for necromantical rituals. What happened to the Sload? Did they go to near extinction? Why didn't the Empire seek to hunt them down?
Anonymous 06/28/15 (Sun) 17:49:46 No. 7662
>>7660
The Sload were never truly wiped out. In a desperate attempt to save themselves from complete genocide, they sank Thras themselves so that the All Flags Navy would be unable to continue its slaughter. This sinking was later, incorrectly, attributed to the magic of the All Flags Navy. Because of this, the Sload were thought extinct for along while until Thras resurfaced sometime around Tiber Septim's conquests.
In truth, Sload are perfectly capable of living under water, and actually spend most of their lifetime in the sea.
Anonymous 07/03/15 (Fri) 22:52:19 No. 7733
>>4
My first year teaching one of my students found out I was gay for morrowind and made me a big sign for my classroom written in the daedric alphabet. Too great.
Anonymous 07/03/15 (Fri) 22:56:40 No. 7734
>>13
I like a lot of MK's shit, I love it even, but the fucking play-on-words grate me sometimes.
Anonymous 07/03/15 (Fri) 23:26:35 No. 7736
>>372
If you want you can debate whether or not the games exist in the last kalpa by pulling arguments about whether the alduin we see is THE alduin borne upon mundus fully and thus fully murderable.
Also, note that landfall is just how things end. There can be infinitely many kalpas before landfall, the nature of how time works there doesn't preclude that.
Anonymous 07/03/15 (Fri) 23:28:25 No. 7737
>>498
/r/teslore used to be really good but the idea that canon doesn't exist and everyone's contributions are equally good and equally right and equally speshal has ruined it.
Anonymous 07/03/15 (Fri) 23:37:55 No. 7738
>>1472
>Look in religions the Lore draws from, much easier to understand from that perspective.
This is a big one for me. Knowing about old canaanite and assyrian and sumerian and pre-second temple judaism and mongolian mythology really added to the whole probably-mantling of the nerevar thing in morrowind.
Anonymous 07/03/15 (Fri) 23:47:25 No. 7739
>>2999
This is a really good point.
Anonymous 07/04/15 (Sat) 02:15:19 No. 7741
>>6063
>>6076 did a good summary, but it's worth remembering the mythopoeaic rules in TES. The way cultures interpret the gods and the universe in general changes the way the gods and universe are actually structured.
Anonymous 07/04/15 (Sat) 02:22:14 No. 7742
>>6275
The different planes are just that; they're not spatially seperated, rather they're more or less in a different space. You couldn't get into a spaceship and fly to one. That said, the black of space more or less *is* oblivion, though it's a little more complicated if you're interested.
The stars are holes in mundus and oblivion that leak directly from aetherius, the plane of pure magicka that the aedra originated in and that all else was seperated/created from. They're not stars.
The other planets you see in the night sky aren't really planets, they're not large spherical objects at all. Each one is infinitely large/has no size as it's the dead body of the god, but fuck-you-cover-this-in-mystical-bullsiht causes the finite mind of those on nirn to view them as spherical (the explanation isn't THAT bad and goes deeper than that but does bottom out at fuck-you).
No other habitable planets or lands exist in mundus, though there are settlements on the moons (which aren't really moons, let me knwo if you don't know about that part).
Anonymous 07/04/15 (Sat) 02:24:14 No. 7744
>>6496
>>6496
It's commonly floated as an idea and some claim that's the reason WHY chim was introduced, but the former is usually considered to be a bit on the nose and the latter probably isn't true.
Anonymous 07/04/15 (Sat) 02:27:26 No. 7745
>>6551
We're actively and explicitly (really explicitly, not it's-there-if-you-read-it-and-know-what-to-look-for) told in morrowind that accounts of the battle of red mountain are bullshit, which makes sense given that you're blatantly told multiple versions of what happened and can ask vivec about the reason behind all the lies.
That said, it's worth noting that for most major internal struggles in even our world foreign actors are present and then later left out for the sake of narrative. The Americans are the only ones I'm aware of that really go to great lengths to stress the involvement of the Hessians on the part of their foes and the french on their side.
Anonymous 07/04/15 (Sat) 02:28:52 No. 7746
>>6796
mythopoaeic forces. People identify the images and associate traits with them, this is sufficient to make those traits real.
Anonymous 07/04/15 (Sat) 03:06:27 No. 7750
>>7733
>>7734
>>7736
>>7737
>>7738
>>7739
>>7741
>>7742
>>7744
>>7745
>>7746
Anon, you know you can reply to multiple people in one post, right?
Anonymous 07/07/15 (Tue) 23:18:43 No. 7809
>>7750
Yeah, I was just being a lazy drunk moron.
Anonymous 08/22/15 (Sat) 20:20:07 No. 8198
What is the Eye of Magnus?
What was Ancano actually attempting?
Why is the Circle of the Companions "cursed" when every new member of the Circle is forced to undergo the blood ritual? Obviously, Lycanthropy would be removed from the ranks of the Companions by new Circle-members refusing the Blood. Developer's oversight?
What's actually treacherous about the swamps of Morthal besides Movarth and the odd Chaurus?
How is Rorikstead named after Rourik (at least according to him) when Rorik's Steading has existed since the Second Era as explained in the book "The Holdings of Jarl Gjalund," which you can read once you return to Farengar after finding the Dragonstone?
Why do Rieklings scream "Jooorre!" which is similar to "Jorr(?)" which means "mortal" in the Dragon Language?
Is the treatment of the Restoration school at the College of Winterhold hinting at it being removed from the next game?
Does Florentius actually speak with Arkay?
Was Saadia lying?
Is all the Redguard-related stuff in Skyrim (Alik'r, Rayya, Neloth's wind-vortex magic, Redguards in almost every major city + their quests) hinting at TES:VI taking place in Hammerfell?
Boy, wasn't Mehrunes Dagon a pussy in Skyrim! Thanks for the pointy stick - a real demonstration of "The power of Mehrunes Dagon!"
What is the fate of the Last Dragonborn? Wandering Apocrypha?
The book "Twin Secrets" tells of a dragon living around the Red Mountain after the Red Year. Important?
Why is Lydia the best follower/housecarl/waifu?
Why the fuck did Bethesda leave so many things unfinished and/or unpolished in Skyrim? On the surface things aren't too bad, but once you look a bit deeper, corners were cut in almost every single important or even slightly lengthy questline and objective. Paths that lead nowhere, NPC with mismatched stats to their equipment/class, rough-looking or poorly-designed items, dialogue which hints at things which don't occur ingame (the Silver Hand saying "He wears that armour, he dies." in reference to Farkas when obviously he should have worn Wolf Armour - not fucking ordinary steel (???!!!) comes to mind for me), the carriage driver fiasco, et cetera. Why were so many corners cut?
Anonymous 08/22/15 (Sat) 21:10:10 No. 8199
>>8198
>What is the Eye of Magnus?
Lots of theories, but no sure answer.
Likely just some piece of Magnus that got left behind. Its believed that he was the Witness to an Enantiomorph between Lorkhan and Auriel. The Witness normally gets maimed in someway, which is almost always going blind. The Eye could literally be, or just represent, his eye.
>What was Ancano actually attempting?
He was possibly trying to unmake the world, as Ancano mentions something about him having the power to do so. It is known that the Thalmor plan to unmake the world, however, it's supposed to be one of the final steps in their endgame. So if Ancano was actually trying to do that, he's pretty fucking rash.
>Why is the Circle of the Companions "cursed" when every new member of the Circle is forced to undergo the blood ritual? Obviously, Lycanthropy would be removed from the ranks of the Companions by new Circle-members refusing the Blood. Developer's oversight?
Yah, that is pretty fucking stupid now that I think of it. The quest line seems to imply that all members of the Circle are cursed to become werewolves despite the fact that it is clearly within your own power to just not drink fucking blood.
The whole companions questline is fucking stupid anyways though.
>How is Rorikstead named after Rourik (at least according to him) when Rorik's Steading has existed since the Second Era as explained in the book "The Holdings of Jarl Gjalund," which you can read once you return to Farengar after finding the Dragonstone?
Holdings of Jarl Gjalund seems to refer to the earlier years of the first era. Anyways, this is probably just a mistake.
>Why do Rieklings scream "Jooorre!" which is similar to "Jorr(?)" which means "mortal" in the Dragon Language?
Because they are stupid goblin people. No real other answer. It's very unlikely that Bethesda intended it to mean something.
>Is the treatment of the Restoration school at the College of Winterhold hinting at it being removed from the next game?
I don't think that's something anyone would actually know.
>Does Florentius actually speak with Arkay?
Probably not.
>Was Saadia lying?
More than likely.
>What is the fate of the Last Dragonborn? Wandering Apocrypha?
Up to you, for now.
>The book "Twin Secrets" tells of a dragon living around the Red Mountain after the Red Year. Important?
Important, probably not. Kinda interesting though.
Anonymous 08/27/15 (Thu) 10:45:50 No. 8216
Why is everybody in Tamriel ok with Imperials running shit, bot not with the elves?
Also where does everybody get their information? I get that reading all the books in all the games help, but I doubt they cover all that stuff about Bosmer, Argonian or Khajiit that I read over the years.
Anonymous 08/27/15 (Thu) 13:09:25 No. 8219
>>8216
>Why is everybody in Tamriel ok with Imperials running shit, bot not with the elves?
Because elves are fucking fags
>Also where does everybody get their information? I get that reading all the books in all the games help, but I doubt they cover all that stuff about Bosmer, Argonian or Khajiit that I read over the years.
Everything comes from books and Kirkbride apocrypha at TIL
Anonymous 08/27/15 (Thu) 20:45:12 No. 8224
Is vivec such an s'wit that he knew him leaving would fuck the whole world up?
Anonymous 08/28/15 (Fri) 12:07:54 No. 8229
>>8224
Yeah, but he had survived since the 1st era as a god so assumedly he figured that climbing the secret tower would have given him the power to keep that shit up forever.
Anonymous 08/28/15 (Fri) 18:18:01 No. 8243
>>8224
If you are referring to Baar Dau, yes.
After the Main Quest, Vivec quickly realizes that he and the rest of the Tribunal are mortals now and can no longer lead or help the people of Morrowind. The Dunmer could no longer rely on them anymore, and had to take care of themselves from now on.
Baar Dau was a restart button of sorts. The Red Year signifies a complete reorganization of Dunmer society, much like Sun's Death before it (when the Tribunal took charge). It was the final blow that allowed the Dunmer to let go of their admiration of the Tribunal, a strong dose of reality that they now had to fix their own hardships, a cataclysm that unified the Dunmer people in a sense of urgency and the need to secure the future of their people, and the push the Dunmer needed to have pride in their traditions and culture and ostracize the Hlaalu, who would destroy everything the Dunmer stood for.
Anonymous 08/29/15 (Sat) 10:55:32 No. 8253
>>8216
Because the Thalmor want to un-make creation.
The general Altmer populace are almost certainly not aware of this ultimate goal, but groups like the Elder Council almost certainly are.
Anonymous 08/30/15 (Sun) 16:01:04 No. 8266
>>8253
>Because the Thalmor want to un-make creation
Ok, but nobody else knows that. How come Nords, Bretons or at least the other Mer races don't preffer the Thalmor?
Anonymous 08/30/15 (Sun) 20:06:29 No. 8267
>>8266
Well first of all, its called the "Empire of Man" for a reason. I'm almost certain no human would ever want to be ruled by fucking elves especially since most of them had ancestors who fought to free themselves from the horrible rulership of elves. Elves have always been an enemy of man, this is fucking undeniable, and whenever they've ruled they've always shat all over humans.
>How come Nords, Bretons or at least the other Mer races don't preffer the Thalmor
Alright, elves in general is one thing, but the Thalmor, are you fucking serious? You're surprised an anti-human organization that invaded the Empire and are responsible for the deaths of thousands of people merely because their government recognized the existence of Talos, and then continued to enforce secret police in territories they have no legitimate authority over? You really wonder why people don't like them? The greatest threat the Empire has ever known!
Anonymous 09/08/15 (Tue) 00:24:24 No. 8342
>>14
It's really weird how if your into the occult how much of this is very familiar. I wonder if these guys were occultists
Anonymous 09/25/15 (Fri) 05:57:21 No. 8453
So, whats happens to Jyggalag at the end of Shivering Isles? He says that he is going back to the void, so do you think he may come back in TES VI?
Anonymous 09/29/15 (Tue) 01:51:59 No. 8494
>>8453
I was disappointed that there were no Jyggalag cults in Skyrim. Maybe it'll take time for him to gain followers or something.
Anonymous 09/29/15 (Tue) 05:41:10 No. 8496
>>8453
>>8494
>so do you think he may come back in TES VI?
>Maybe it'll take time for him to gain followers or something.
pretty sure it was explained in the expansion that he isn't interested in mortal followers and doesn't care about Mundus, hence why no one in Tamriel even knows about him. if bethesda remains consistent with the character, you won't ever see or hear from him again.
Anonymous 09/30/15 (Wed) 15:51:14 No. 8529
Here's a question:
What is Aetherius? Is it the Dreamsleeve? Isi it the nebulous void between Daedric/aedric realms? Is it a religious misconception?
Anonymous 09/30/15 (Wed) 19:54:56 No. 8535
>>8529
>What is Aetherius?
The spirit realm, where existence is derived.
Anonymous 10/01/15 (Thu) 10:09:19 No. 8555
>>8535
I figured, I was just wondering where it fit in the overall metaphysics of the setting.
Anonymous 10/04/15 (Sun) 08:04:32 No. 8704
what is the deal with goblins and other non main intelligent or in case of goblins semi-inteligent races? who made them?
Anonymous 10/04/15 (Sun) 16:04:54 No. 8714
>>8704
Goblins and Rieklings are probably degenerations of Orcs or other forsaken Mer. Trolls, ogres, and other such species likely fall into the same category. It's also possible that some of these creatures are derived from Wild Hunts
Minotaurs have been suspected of being created by Cyrodiilic women who wanted to be like Alessia.
Giants are the predecessors of Atmorans and perhaps the closest living relatives to the Wanderers.
Spriggans are likely just some form of nature spirit.
Harpys, Medusas, and Lamias, are possibly created through curse or ritual much like Hagravens
Nobody knows shit about Centaurs, but I like to think they bare some connection to the horse tribes of Bjoulsae.
Nymphs are another unknown. They are said to be immortal and so probably have a more divine nature.
Lizard Men are probably Black Marsh lizards devoid of Hist connection.
Dreughs were the rulers of Lyg
Anonymous 10/04/15 (Sun) 17:47:58 No. 8720
Wait a minute, since when was hasphat antabolis a member of the elder council?
Anonymous 10/06/15 (Tue) 21:22:14 No. 8833
>>548
No. Hist come from the last dream, not from a daedric realm.
Argonians are lizards that were chagned by the Hist.
As for ESO.
It slore is good. It actually takes the pocket guide seriously at times.
Go to 11 minutes , they actually have the centipede herd beasts that the Pocket Guide mentions in
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bdgvOPpAo4
Anonymous 10/07/15 (Wed) 00:07:57 No. 8852
>>8833
>As for ESO. It slore is good. It actually takes the pocket guide seriously at times
ESO's lore is shit and no amount of obscure references to brief Pocket Guide excerpts can help it.
Anonymous 10/09/15 (Fri) 05:38:12 No. 8920
>>1651
neither the elves nor dwarves in TES bear any real resemblance to Germanic pagan elves and dwarves.
Germanic elves are basically nature spirits that live in trees and such. dwarves (also called black elves) are "elves" that serve as nature spirits for things found under ground, like minerals.
the fact that TES mer are physical beings sets them wholly apart from germanic elves/dwarves, although the dwemer being "just underground elves", is in line with Germanic paganism.
Anonymous 10/09/15 (Fri) 07:53:15 No. 8931
>>8852
never seen that bit, tho, ESO does have some pretty good lore. Some blunders dont change that.
Anonymous 10/09/15 (Fri) 10:55:17 No. 8932
>>8931
>ESO does have some pretty good lore. Some blunders dont change that
I have looked through a large portion of ESO's lore, and the majority of it is bad. It is not just some blunders.
Anonymous 10/10/15 (Sat) 22:43:48 No. 8965
>>17
What's the word for this? I think it's from hindu religion or something.
What's the word for an artifact/city/thing made to represent the universe/creation/the world??
Anonymous 10/11/15 (Sun) 01:29:09 No. 8968
>>8833
>>8932
ESO Lore is "good" in that it-in some cases- replicates the best Lore from previous games, like the Pocket Guide 1st Edition.
But the new Lore it makes doesn't do much. Th ESO original Lore doesn't make an interesting world, it's a contrivance to facilitate making a generic MMO.
That's my impression; I obviously haven't seen everything so I don't know what percentage of the stuff I've seen but I read about 50% of the books uploaded to UESP.
>>8965
I think Mandala, but it has an original, specifically religious meaning as well as a more commonly used, slightly incorrect, misleading, modern usage that detaches it from its context.
Anonymous 10/11/15 (Sun) 18:29:17 No. 8984
>>8968
>a more commonly used, slightly incorrect, misleading, modern usage that detaches it from its context.
Like everything in new age that cops out from hinduism
Anonymous 10/12/15 (Mon) 20:14:59 No. 9010
>>8968
>ESO Lore is "good" in that it-in some cases- replicates the best Lore from previous games, like the Pocket Guide 1st Edition.
>Dunmer friendly with Nords and Argonians despite centuries of tension between the races and the Dunmer view of them being akin to animals
>Redguards and Bretons allying with Orcs and letting them rebuild Orsinium despite being vehemently against this up past the events of Daggerfall. Redguards frequently glorify there destruction of the
>Attempts made to decanonize the variance between Khajiit breeds
>no Imga anywhere
>Ayleids apparently thrived fucking everywhere despite being borderline extinct
>Cyrodiil perhaps shittier than it is depicted in Oblivion. Still no sign of difference between Nibenay and Colovia
>Cyrodiil is apparently still a state
>Everything about Auridon fucking everything
>Every city looks the same within a province. Entire world sums up to fantasy la la land
These are just my gripes that have to deal mostly with their implementation of the First Pocket Guide lore. I could go on and on about all the other problems, if you want me to.
Anonymous 10/12/15 (Mon) 22:50:30 No. 9013
>>9010
>Attempts made to decanonize the variance between Khajiit breeds.
Even though it was clearly intended to be a shitty retcon, the stuff about the 2nd era bipedal Khajiit considering the quadrupeds breeds to be literal animals could have made for an really interesting story about race and caste dynamics, but ESO couldn't even be bothered to take the plot seed they accidentally made anywhere interesting, instead they just backpedaled on it completely when people bitched about it..
Anonymous 10/14/15 (Wed) 05:25:00 No. 9034
>>2710
>Holy shit I want Numidium to show up in TES games.
no you don't. not unless you like being disappointed.
Anonymous 10/14/15 (Wed) 06:27:51 No. 9035
>>9010
ESO could have top notch CHIM/10 lore and it'd still be shit
Anonymous 10/14/15 (Wed) 13:37:35 No. 9046
>>9035
>implying we wouldn't all play it.
My biggest gripe against playing ESO would be the desgin choises, particularly towards armor. I can't say anything else because I haven't played, but i just know how shitty and deviated from TES It's going to be just from looking at how they desgined the game.
Most armor look like generic MMO shit, seriously, It's like a toned down version of WoW or some tame non-waifued Korean bullshit.
Anonymous 10/14/15 (Wed) 15:28:03 No. 9050
>>9046
Never played it, does it have skimpy characters wielding giant greatswords like in those gay as fuck JRPGS?
Anonymous 10/14/15 (Wed) 21:23:30 No. 9055
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>>9050
Not exactly, there might be some of it but let me show you exactly what I mean with pic related
Anonymous 10/14/15 (Wed) 21:29:30 No. 9056
>>9046
>>9050
They're not that bad, but most of them come off as mediocre and often whacky looking, though the entire game looks that way in general. Something I've noticed is that alot of the armors seem very skinny despite giving the appearance of multiple layers, and try to be pointlessly over-intricate while still coming off dull.
The Argonian armor is passable. I don't understand the design choice with the Altmer and Dunmer sets at all. The Ordinator armor is especially atrocious. Nord horned helmets look fucking retarded. The concept art was pretty ridiculous too.
Anonymous 10/15/15 (Thu) 14:39:03 No. 9074
>>9056
These armors look terrible. Only argonian looks cool and breton looks decant. Orcish looks meh and the rest look like shit. Except for elfish ones , they deserve their own tier below shit.
How can you fuck up armor design? its not even WoW tier since early wow had some nice designs.
How much are the locations fucked?
Anonymous 10/15/15 (Thu) 23:30:50 No. 9091
>>9074
>How much are the locations fucked?
The entire world has this fucking ugly cartoon look to it and feels completely plastic and unnatural. The land doesn't flow at all, bordering regions feel completely disconnected from each other, and practically every city within a province looks identical.
The most heinous crime of Zenimax's world-building would be pic related
Anonymous 10/16/15 (Fri) 01:35:13 No. 9096
>>9091
>>9091
thats how Oblivion looks generally, terrible aesthetics.
Anonymous 10/16/15 (Fri) 07:14:41 No. 9106
Please bear with me here. The events leading up to Landfall and C0da … bother me. Correct any misassumptions, please.
Daedric princes are secure in their realms barring the end of the dream, kalpa 'repurposing' and the occasional mantling ie Sheggy.
Mirror Logicians spend long ages shouting NO U at Numidium, and then… give up? Just like that?
A Daedric prince exists with the weaponized autism to argue against Numidium for concievably ever.
Landfall happens late in the 5th era; but KINMUNE and PELIN-EL come from the 9th-ish.
The current timeline (as of Skyrim) is the kalpa-without-end that feeds directly to Landfall and C0da.
Could Jyggalag, given proper incentive, avert Landfall? Or, is literally every sentient being in the dream incapable of seeing more than five minutes in front of their face?
Anonymous 10/16/15 (Fri) 11:15:37 No. 9113
>>9106
>Mirror Logicians spend long ages shouting NO U at Numidium, and then… give up? Just like that?
They, imaginably, lost after fighting for several millenia.
>A Daedric prince exists with the weaponized autism to argue against Numidium for concievably ever.
>Could Jyggalag, given proper incentive, avert Landfall? Or, is literally every sentient being in the dream incapable of seeing more than five minutes in front of their face?
Deities don't really have trouble with the Dawn Era. If anything, Dragon Breaks are more natural to them then linear time.
What they do have trouble with though is the Numidium. IIRC, MK said once that the three good daedra got erased by Numidium.
Anonymous 10/16/15 (Fri) 14:26:00 No. 9120
>>9113
>MK said once that the three good daedra got erased by Numidium.
I assume these are not the same 3 daedra the Dunmer worship, right?
Anonymous 10/16/15 (Fri) 17:53:59 No. 9127
So what are the elder scrolls in the context of the lore?
Anonymous 10/16/15 (Fri) 18:57:23 No. 9129
>>9120
The three good Daedra are Azura, Mephala, and Boethiah.
>>9127
Cosmic recording devices invented by Magnus that exist outside of time and jot down all hazy possibilities.
Anonymous 10/16/15 (Fri) 21:12:09 No. 9136
Anonymous 10/18/15 (Sun) 06:47:07 No. 9180
>>9096
Even though, Oblivion is a ten year old game and it runs in a toaster. ESO it's supposed to be a next-gen MMO, it runs like ass, it plays like ass and it gets beaten in the graphical and gameplay department by Oblivion and Morrowind respectively. Think about that.
Anonymous 10/18/15 (Sun) 08:11:32 No. 9181
>>9180
>it runs like ass and plays like ass
Ah, that's why the same virgin neckbeards that defend skimpy armor mods on the nexus are the only people that play the game
Explains a lot.
Anonymous 10/25/15 (Sun) 07:04:07 No. 9281
wait, if you racemix the child will be from the race of the mother, right?
Then how manmer aka. Bretons are possible?
Anonymous 10/26/15 (Mon) 00:09:45 No. 9291
>>9281
Race mixing in TES consists of having the appearance of the mother's race being in the offspring, however the child may have traits from the father, I.e if a Bosmer and a Nord had a kid the child would be a Bosmer in appearance, but may be stronger/hardier.
The Breton's ancestors were race traitors who breeded with Ayleids for so many generations the Ayleid physique stopped popping up in the gene pool, and instead made modern day Bretons have an affinity for magic like they did.
Anonymous 10/27/15 (Tue) 21:39:47 No. 9310
>>9291
>I.e if a Bosmer and a Nord had a kid the child would be a Bosmer in appearance, but may be stronger/hardier.
They aren't just general traits, interracial children will inherent distinct features from their fathers, hence why proto-Bretons looked much more Elvish than their modern descendants.
>The Breton's ancestors were race traitors who breeded with Ayleids for so many generations the Ayleid physique stopped popping up in the gene pool
Well if by "race traitors" you mean tyrannized humans forced into sex slavery or lawfully raped, and by "Ayleids" you mean the Altmer of High Rock, than you would be sort of right.
Anonymous 10/29/15 (Thu) 20:52:37 No. 9335
>>9291
>The Breton's ancestors were race traitors who breeded with Ayleids for so many generations the Ayleid physique stopped popping up in the gene pool, and instead made modern day Bretons have an affinity for magic like they did.
Exactly, I suspect Mer genes are possibly quite weak over-all.
It would certainly help explain why modern-day falmers have devolved into troglodytic goblinoids in the span of a few thousand years after being experimented upon by the Dwemer or whatever the fuck actually happened.
Anonymous 10/31/15 (Sat) 23:21:33 No. 9365
>>9335
>blind
>can't see shit
>"MARCO?"
>"PORGO"
>snow elf fucks a goblin
>such is life in Tamriel
Anonymous 11/05/15 (Thu) 01:19:08 No. 9439
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Anonymous 11/08/15 (Sun) 02:09:15 No. 9473
Does it ever bothr anyone else how much of a direct stylistic rip Daedric is from Enochian? Don't get me wrong, it looks really cool, but come on. And direct letter translation including the redundant letters?
Anonymous 11/14/15 (Sat) 06:31:53 No. 9550
>>9010
>Ayleids apparently thrived fucking everywhere despite being borderline extinct
Did you read the Last King of The Ayleids? The neutral and Alessian allied Ayleid thrived after the revolt and while the Marukhati would later massacre city-states too weak to stand up against their mobs they mainly banished the Ayleid when they seized control of the Empire instead of killing them all. This Ayleid exodus was large enough that it significantly strengthened the Camoran and Direnni dynasties who took them in, though not large enough to preserve the Ayleid as a distinct race.
Anonymous 11/15/15 (Sun) 00:32:14 No. 9558
>>9550
Yes, I have read the Last King of the Ayleids. It's contradiction is one of the main reasons why I hate ESO's lore.
First of all, no, the Last King of the Ayleids does not state that Ayleids thrived after the rebellion, just that Alessia's Ayleid allies were allowed to hold onto their lands and titles and some given lands for their help. Mind you this is only in fucking Cyrodiil and not the rest Tamriel.
After the Alessian Reform took control of Cyrodiil, the fleeing Ayleids were absorbed into the Elven populations of High Rock and Valenwood. In other words, they were allowed to take refuge with these populations and were eventually completely assimilated into their respective cultures (save for a few Ayleid groups that managed to create hidden tribes in Valenwood). Hence why they are "borderline extinct."
ESO, on the otherhand, having a ridiculous boner for the Ayleids, decided to give the Aylied refugees their own distinct cities all over Tamriel, completely disregarding the fact that the reason they aren't around any more was because they were no longer capable of distinguishing themselves.
This isn't even the worst of it. According to ESO's brilliant new lore, the beyond xenophobic Altmer apparently let shit tons of Ayleids settle back in Summerset, where their culture not only thrived but ended up being idealized by the native Altmer. Not only is it fucking ridiculous that the Altmer would allow a race of elves that split from the Aldmer-path back into their lands, but the retarded idea that the Ayleids would find a land where they prospered without interference completely contradicts the fact that they are now borderline extinct.
Anonymous 11/30/15 (Mon) 22:26:54 No. 9783
>>9056
>the fucking design pic
I can undeerstand armor in game looking like shit, but the designs too?
I mean, I can understand an artist having a bad day and drawing shitty armor concepts, but there are guys who looked at them and said "yeah, that's ok, let's do that"???
Anonymous 12/14/15 (Mon) 13:42:10 No. 10163
I understand that after one dies, they go to their respective vision of what afterlife is.
So if Nords have Sovngarde, and Alduin is all up in their shit, does that mean that Nords' religion is the "truest" one?
Also, if Dunmer don't believe in the Divines or whatever, to they just chill into Azura's plane after dying?
Finally, what's the deal with St Olms, Delyn and Jiub? Is "Saint" just a title, or is there anything else to it?
Questions Anonymous 12/15/15 (Tue) 01:05:50 No. 10165
After going through this page and a couple of links presented here I have some questions like;
Why are the Dunmer so important in that C0DA shit?
Like it seems that the only races who survive the end of Nirn are Khajit and Dunmer seems like bullshit to me.
What is TalOS?
Seen it posted specifically like this don't understand it.
Is Pelinel being a robot from the future really an accepted theory?
Think this ones obvious.
KINMUNE is literally a sci-fi AI?
Seems like a very Sci-Fi thing to to read talking about space ships and shit.
Would the Numidium destroy whatever towers are left standing in the 5th era when the world ends?
From what I've read it seems like the Brass Giant is going apeshit on reality and destroying it, wouldn't it go after these towers.
Finally is the whole 5th Era world ending and Sci-Fi space show 9th Era Really Canon or whatever is scene as solid?
This one seems obvious as well.
Anonymous 12/17/15 (Thu) 11:43:39 No. 10196
>>10165
All of that is just a fanfiction and not canon.
Anonymous 12/17/15 (Thu) 13:17:20 No. 10197
>>10165
>Why are the Dunmer so important in that C0DA shit?
Apparently the only ship that made it to the moon was filled with Dunmer and Khajiit. Khajiit were also apparently on the moon already.
>What is TalOS?
Krikbride's "sci-fi" way of saying Talos-Oversoul, I believe.
>Is Pelinel being a robot from the future really an accepted theory
Yes, Kirkbride wrote the Songs of Pelinal with slight nods to this. He straight up says that he's supposed to be a robot in some of his posts. But, given the actual lore-based information we are given about Pelinal, it is perfectly reasonable to say "no he's not a fucking robot."
>KINMUNE is literally a sci-fi AI
Don't pay any mind to KINMUNE, it's a stupid text and it plays no actual part in the lore.
>Would the Numidium destroy whatever towers are left standing in the 5th era when the world ends
I'd imagine, seeing as Numidium tries to destroy everything.
>Finally is the whole 5th Era world ending and Sci-Fi space show 9th Era Really Canon or whatever is scene as solid
Only if you want it to be.
Anonymous 12/22/15 (Tue) 23:37:28 No. 10235
>>8216
because the Thalmor literally want to destroy Nirn you fetcher
Anonymous 12/24/15 (Thu) 12:16:39 No. 10240
>>8496
>implying TES VII won't have "Crystal Spires" expansion with Jyggy asking you for a favor
Anonymous 12/27/15 (Sun) 08:54:50 No. 10266
So i'm sure this is a stupidly easy question but how is it the PC is able to kill Vivec when the fucker achieved CHiM? Is it possible for someone who has CHiM to lose it?
Why is it that Vivec has such immense power but he barely puts up a fight when you take him on? Or fuck, how is it that you can kill him before you destroy the heart?
Anonymous 12/28/15 (Mon) 00:57:12 No. 10276
>>10266
Vivec could die before he lost his Triune godhood, but he could also just decide to reappear as if nothing happened and no time had passed, so it didn't really mean much. (He tells you so himself)
As for why he doesn't put up much of a fight even with CHIM CHIM CHIM CHIM it's because his death is only a diagram back to the waking world , fucker.
I think the best question is why he doesn't just respawn and call you a cunt for taking the unactivated wraithguard in the event you kill him prior to the destruction of the heart.
Anonymous 12/30/15 (Wed) 20:46:13 No. 10292
two questions
what is a 'water face' and what is the sermons of vivec supposed to be about? I tried reading them and I didn't understand a damn thing that was going on.
Anonymous 12/30/15 (Wed) 21:38:41 No. 10293
>>10292
I feel like they're a lot easier to understand once you've read all the bullshit on this board. Lurk more and what you'll find in the sermons will simply complement the things you already know.
To answer your question, to put it simply, the sermons are mostly metaphors of how vivec became the fuckboy he is.
Anonymous 12/30/15 (Wed) 21:45:24 No. 10295
>>10293
So they're like a guide to achieving CHiM?
were the books authored by Vivec himself?
Anonymous 12/30/15 (Wed) 21:54:30 No. 10296
>>10295
They were.
Not a guide per se, but more of a narration of how he did it. Also many other stories, like how he rode Molag Bal.
Just lurk more and play the game
Anonymous 12/30/15 (Wed) 22:02:58 No. 10297
>>10296
you can't make me have fun.
reading it as a series a proverbs does make sense at least. I guess him being an egg doesn't literally mean he's an egg, just that he didn't know much of the world. reading it makes it seem more like its a guide book to help the nerevarine out, which would explain why they're all skill books.
Anonymous 12/31/15 (Thu) 03:37:12 No. 10304
Anonymous 12/31/15 (Thu) 10:49:29 No. 10313
>>10304
did dagoth ur write this crap?
it seems weird to claim that padomay is the reason for mundus' existance when there's physical evidence of the lorkhan creation like Direnni tower, the earth bones, and you know…that fucking heart of his thumping away in a divines forsaken volcano.
Anonymous 12/31/15 (Thu) 16:16:55 No. 10314
>>10313
Vivec wrote it. And it's not crap, it's probably one of the lore's most important texts.
It's saying that Sithis (not Padomay) was responsible for the creation of Lorkhan.
Basically, in its most general sense, it is stating that Sithis was good in that it represents the deepest ultimate potential of the universe (anything can come from nothing), while Anui-El enslaved this potential to a single idea.
Lorkhan is created to free the universe of Anui-El and the Aedra, and so presents himself as their friend so that he might betray them.
Vivec then tells the Hortator to do the same to Dagoth.
Anonymous 12/31/15 (Thu) 19:30:17 No. 10315
>>10314
I thought sithis and padomay were the same thing though.
So sithtis was tired of the aedra trying to act like gangstas when he's the real OG so he sent his hard pipe hitting nigga lorkhan to fuck up their shit but lorkhan jumped gangs? Does that mean the lunar lorkhan theory is wrong or did the aedra kill him for something else?
"AE HERMA MORA ALTADOON PADHOME LKHAN AE AI"
okay so hermaeous mora, padomay, lorkhan, I don't know what AE and AI are supposed to be.
Is AE supposed to be aedra?
Anonymous 12/31/15 (Thu) 23:27:50 No. 10320
>>10315
>sithis and padomay were the same thing though
They are not. Sithis is the nothingness that lies in the dream, Padomay came from before.
There is nothing wrong about the Lunar Lorkhan. As I had said, Lorkhan, as according to the book Sithis, was created to destroy Anuiel and the Aedra, however he attempted to do so by tricking the Aedra into believing he was one of them.
>Is AE supposed to be aedra
AE roughly translates to "is" and possibly in some cases translates to "I".
I wouldn't bother trying to translate the message, Ehlnofex is really wonky.
Anonymous 01/01/16 (Fri) 09:36:05 No. 10326
>>10297
Yeah, it's a guide for the Nerevarine.
>>10315
>Sithis
>Aware and actively doing anything
FILTHY, DUMB, DARK BROTHERHOOD SCUM
Anonymous 01/04/16 (Mon) 08:11:14 No. 10381
What creates gravity in the TES universe?
I know it sounds trite but its been driving me crazy.
Anonymous 01/05/16 (Tue) 07:02:45 No. 10400
>>10381
Great House Redoran
>House Redoran prizes the virtues of duty, gravity, and piety. Duty is to one's own honor, and to one's family and clan. Gravity is the essential seriousness of life. Life is hard, and events must be judged, endured, and reflected upon with due care and earnestness. Piety is respect for the gods, and the virtues they represent. A light, careless life is not worth living
Before them, everyone just floated the fuck away. This is lore. Debate me.
Anonymous 01/06/16 (Wed) 04:42:11 No. 10409
>>10400
>tfw hlaalu retainer
Anonymous 01/07/16 (Thu) 15:59:50 No. 10419
>>10409
>Still believing the lie about the Red Year being caused by people abandoning Vivec
>Not realizing that House Redoran becoming the main focus of Dunmer society post-Tribunal and during the Oblivion Crisis raised their prominence and increased Nirn's gravity
>causing the Ministry of Truth to just fuck their shit up
Anonymous 01/07/16 (Thu) 21:15:10 No. 10421
>>10400
>>10419
This is all just making way too much sense
Anonymous 01/08/16 (Fri) 01:42:47 No. 10423
>>10419
and thats why your jumping height was greatly reduced in subsequent games…
what the fuck?
Anonymous 01/08/16 (Fri) 11:14:19 No. 10426
>>10423
Falls became substantially more deadly in Skyrim, as well.
Anonymous 01/08/16 (Fri) 15:27:39 No. 10427
>>10426
I know I said I wanted my lore deep but this is too much to handle.
Anonymous 01/12/16 (Tue) 18:43:12 No. 10437
sorry for the offtopic but where the fuck is everyone?
did we move to another imageboard?
Anonymous 01/16/16 (Sat) 17:03:17 No. 10442
>>10437
I think this board may have finally died
Anonymous 01/19/16 (Tue) 17:14:19 No. 10453
Anonymous 01/21/16 (Thu) 05:00:08 No. 10460
>>10453
I wouldn't lie to you, anon.
Anonymous 01/26/16 (Tue) 19:36:44 No. 10506
>>10453
As long as there are 2 people willing to shitpost this board will exist.
Reminder to all /tes/ticles to shill our board as much as possible in elder scrolls discussions on /v/
Anonymous 01/28/16 (Thu) 05:07:02 No. 10520
Anonymous 01/28/16 (Thu) 15:23:28 No. 10523
>>10506
When I'm the only one left, I will shitpost in the memory of the second to last shitposter. That is my pledge.
Anonymous 01/29/16 (Fri) 14:11:04 No. 10525
>>10520
>>10523
May the nine bless you.
Anonymous 01/30/16 (Sat) 07:52:46 No. 10533
>>10525
>implying talos is a god
Anonymous 02/07/16 (Sun) 00:18:40 No. 10574
What the fuck are The Ideal Masters?
Who the fuck is Lady N?
Had Vivec achieved CHIM by the time Morrowind happened? Or was he still "just" a Heart-fueled godman?
In case he had, why didn't he slap the shit out of Dagoth Ur?
What the fuck exactly happened in The Trial of Vivec?
Seen any elves?
Anonymous 02/07/16 (Sun) 03:43:50 No. 10577
>>10574
>What the fuck are The Ideal Masters?
Apparently a bunch of necromancers who transformed their souls. Alternatively, the shattered remains of the God of Worms.
>Who the fuck is Lady N?
Kirkbride's gf
>Had Vivec achieved CHIM by the time Morrowind happened?
Yes
>In case he had, why didn't he slap the shit out of Dagoth Ur?
Because only Nerevar can defeat him
>What the fuck exactly happened in The Trial of Vivec?
Vivec fabricated his own trial so that he could throat-fuck Azura infront of a bunch of unsuspecting scholars
>Seen any elves?
HAHAHAHAHA
Anonymous 02/17/16 (Wed) 03:10:27 No. 10634
Why exactly does the Ritual Stone completely change between Oblivion and Skyrim?
I mean I know some stones change between games because the games change with time. Is there a reason in lore as to why a standing stone for Paladins changes to a stone for necromancers?
Anonymous 02/20/16 (Sat) 16:02:43 No. 10640
>>10634
Because fuck consistency, amirite?
Anonymous 02/22/16 (Mon) 19:00:04 No. 10650
>>10634
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Anonymous 02/24/16 (Wed) 21:11:34 No. 10656
>>10634
Its mostly because necromancy was changed in Skyrim and besides that, the turn undead spell was probably the most useless thing ever made. It doesn't even kill the spoopys, it just makes them run. Everyone uses the ritual for its bad ass healing spell. Of course in Skyrim the birthsigns no longer give you a spell and instead give you a general buff.
I attribute the standing stones working differently to the fact that they're not really constellations. They're not birthsigns, they're magically imbued chunks of rock that are associated with the signs. The fact that you can change your primary sign in Skyrim leads me to believe that. I'm certain they gain their power from the constellations but I wouldn't say they're the same concept as a birthsign.
If anything, the main character of skyrim never had a birthsign, he was probably born on an uncertain sign like most peasants.
Anonymous 02/24/16 (Wed) 21:20:34 No. 10658
>>10656
>>10656
He was most likely born on an uncertain indeed, a very nice uncertain at that, given the fact that he's got 100 hp/stamina/magicka and lears fast as fuck.
Anonymous 02/25/16 (Thu) 07:28:40 No. 10663
>>10658
I wouldn't call painfully average to be a great birthsign
Anonymous 03/18/16 (Fri) 07:32:13 No. 10791
>>10381
Consider than the entire TES universe is imaginary; literally, figuratively, and in every other sense. Everything behaves the way it does because powerful entities desire it, and in a dream world thought is a tangible force.