Anonymous 02/10/15 (Tue) 20:16:29 No. 5173
Could anybody please give me a good reason why there was no Jyggalag in skyrim?
Anonymous 02/10/15 (Tue) 20:47:40 No. 5175
Bethesda probably just forgot about him.
Anonymous 02/11/15 (Wed) 00:27:52 No. 5185
>implying Jyggalag isn't behind the Thalmor
Anonymous 02/11/15 (Wed) 02:07:28 No. 5186
>>5185 That would be pretty cool.
Are there any in game clues which point towards that?
Anonymous 02/11/15 (Wed) 03:03:21 No. 5187
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It takes hundreds of years for a Daedric Prince to reconstitute after having their body destroyed. Note how Dagon nor Azura communicate directly (it's through voices claiming to be them; probably their generals). For Jyggalag, his whole body and realm is lost, so his reconstitution won't be until ESVI at least. He has to reconstitute a body and a realm which for relatively powerful Daedra like Dagon and Azura takes in excess of 200 years.
Anonymous 02/11/15 (Wed) 03:13:45 No. 5189
He also has to settle house with Peryite for a while like Talos did so they don't shit-house the cosmology.
Anonymous 02/11/15 (Wed) 12:08:12 No. 5200
I thought it turned out that the Champion's actions were pointless as being Sheogorath also meant being Jyggalag. Jyggalag is back where he belongs, in the prison of Sheogorath.
Anonymous 02/11/15 (Wed) 15:45:14 No. 5203
>>5200 but that's wrong.
'Killing' Jiggywiggy at the end of Shivering Isles broke the cycle, and as the dude from Cyrodil became Sheogorath by crafting his staff and taking the throne there is no prison for him to go back to. Jygs is just ether at the moment, unlike a normal daedra it probably takes something like him ages to reform, he even said once he was freed that he was going to wander the planes of Oblivion in his true form once more so I guess he's out there being a sort of hobo Daedric prince. Though I do wish he got namedropped a bit.
Seeing his last underling, the immortal one you have to dig out of the ruins of the library, would have been a pretty cool link. Too bad we got left hanging with all this garbage.
Anonymous 02/11/15 (Wed) 16:03:47 No. 5204
>>5185 Somehow I wouldn't be surprised if that came in in TES VI (especially if it takes place in the Summerset Isles), and somehow I wouldn't be surprised if Bethesda decided to retcon all the excellent Sheogorath/Jyggalag lore they made in Shivering Isles
Anonymous 02/13/15 (Fri) 12:40:19 No. 5252
>>5237 I dislike that theory. It renders all your efforts meaningless. Plus, the idea of Jyggalag still being out there has way more potential than the curse just happening again.
Anonymous 02/13/15 (Fri) 19:39:39 No. 5256
>>5187 His physical form wasn't destroyed, he just kinda surrendered after losing a fight to the champion of Cyrodiil
From what I gather he just kinda fucked off to go wander. He seemed pretty apathetic. He actually seemed pretty chill about it
>>5200 See
>>5203
Anonymous 02/14/15 (Sat) 00:09:36 No. 5262
>>5252 But anon that's not mutually exclusive. The Daedric Princes made Jyggalag mantle Sheogorath and he could only escape by making someone else mantle Sheogorath. That person then becomes Sheogorath and thus Jyggalag and dupes the next sucker into being the Madgod while he enters the Jyggalag oversoul and helps the crowd of Jyggies beat up Peryite to get the sphere of Order back from him.
Anonymous 02/14/15 (Sat) 19:12:20 No. 5293
>>5187 except that Jyggalag is the most powerful daedra so who knows when he will reconstitute.
Anonymous 02/17/15 (Tue) 05:10:10 No. 5381
>>5262 This.
But…
>if Jiggy was one of the original 16 daedric princes, and he mantled Sheogorath, then he'd be one entity utilizing two roles >It's generally implied the champion of Cyrodiil filled the Sheogorath role, while Jigs went his merry way. This would imply there are SEVENTEEN daedric princes into now
Anonymous 02/17/15 (Tue) 07:27:37 No. 5386
>>5381 You got your math wrong anon, it's 18. the standard 16 plus Jyggalag and Lorkhan. 1+8x2.
Of course there's supposed to be principalities we've never heard of so it can be any multiple of 9s or 8s that you can conceive of.
Anonymous 02/17/15 (Tue) 15:34:03 No. 5396
>>5386 8 Divine = 16 Daedra
(8 Divine = 16 Daedra)=>(1 Divine = 2 Daedra)
9 Divine = 18 Daedra
Sure, Lorkhan is ancient, as is Jiggy, but having a NEW Sheogorath is a recent development. Were there any other pantheon changes after the life of Tiber Septim?
C-c-c-could the having 17 princes and 9 divines have "mandated" an eighteenth prince?
Autistic analogy:
It would be like how an electronegative nonmetal atom sometimes pulls in an extra electron to fill it's valence shells. There would need to be an 18th prince to balance the system. This also begs the question, what allowed Talos to mantle? Having 17 princes? And if so, what allowed there to be 17 in the first place?
Anonymous 02/17/15 (Tue) 22:06:59 No. 5399
>Taking Shivering Isles for face value >Not understanding that the whole Jyggalag cycle was nonsense-by-logic Sheogorath made up to make the champion, somebody normally resilient to being influenced, to be tricked into accepting their insanity as a form of reality >Right now the Champion of cyrodiil is just a jiberring idiot somewhere in the Shivering Isles pretending they have achieved Godhood >Implying Haskil wasn't the true Sheogorath, the ever-present observer who remains tranquil and grounded at all times in their own realm of insanity.
Anonymous 02/17/15 (Tue) 23:48:35 No. 5400
>>5399 He might be crazy but he's CRAZY WITH CHIM!!!
Anonymous 02/18/15 (Wed) 01:40:18 No. 5404
>>5399 I like that better than what we got too.
Anonymous 02/19/15 (Thu) 07:39:46 No. 5460
>>5399 Great theory. That's cunning and morbid, just like a god of madness.
Anonymous 02/20/15 (Fri) 12:40:22 No. 5474
>>5256 He's the Daedric prince of Logic and Order.
He's pretty chill about it because he realizes the possibility of defeat and has set a contingency plan in place.
Either that or he realizes the inevitability of his return and calmly sets a plan in motion as he retreats.
Honestly, with the possible exception of Meridia, he's one of the few Daedra I would actually side with and I would've totally abandoned Sheogorath entirely if it weren't for the fact the crazy bastard is so fucking entertaining.
Anonymous 02/20/15 (Fri) 17:01:57 No. 5476
>>5399 10/10
Best fan theory I've heard in a while
>>5474 Jiggy, Meridia, and maybe Nocturnal
If I'm dragonborn, and my soul is a dragon soul (a lesser Aedra), and thus a splintered aspect of Akatosh, then I don't actually have to guard the Twilight Sepulcher.
Anonymous 02/20/15 (Fri) 19:21:07 No. 5480
>>5474 >siding with Miss I Like Ayleid, also I'm a blackhole Merid Anon please
Anonymous 02/20/15 (Fri) 22:15:05 No. 5483
>>5474 Blue Star Mnemoli > > > Meridia.
Anonymous 02/21/15 (Sat) 10:01:13 No. 5493
Anonymous 02/22/15 (Sun) 11:41:37 No. 5563
>>5493 Mnemoli is more of a Psijic thing than a Dwemer thing.
Anonymous 02/22/15 (Sun) 23:09:01 No. 5571
>>5563 >Woe to the Oath-breakers! Of the skin of gold , the Xarxes Mysteriuum says "Be fooled not by the forlorn that ride astray the roadway, for they lost faith and this losing was caused by the Aedra who would know no other planets." Whereby the words of Lord Dagon instructs us to destroy these faithless. "Eat or bleed dry the gone-forlorn and gain that small will that led them to walk the path of Godhead at the first. Spit out or burn to the side that which made them delay. Know them as the Mnemoli ." Besides Psijics really draw heavily on Dwemer shit. Sotha Sil was as obsessed with them as Trainwiz
Anonymous 02/23/15 (Mon) 04:42:25 No. 5579
Anonymous 03/16/15 (Mon) 03:14:27 No. 5984
>>5399 This is what I thought before I looked closer at the Arden-Sul stuff.
Now I'm pretty sure
>>5200 and
>>5237 are right.
Anonymous 03/16/15 (Mon) 05:03:29 No. 5988
>>5987 >Anything a delusional Daedric prince says >fact zuz
Anonymous 03/16/15 (Mon) 05:11:51 No. 5989
>>5988 >Jygglag >Delusional You're kidding, right? If anyone is delusional it's Arden-Sul. It's hard to take anything in the Isles at face value or even seriously, but Jyggs is the closest thing to a reliable source we have.
Anonymous 03/17/15 (Tue) 22:55:06 No. 6009
>>5989 Please note that Jyggalag is the Prince of Order, not Sanity. He's as daffy as Sheo, just less fun about it.
Anonymous 03/18/15 (Wed) 00:07:53 No. 6013
>>6009 You didn't pay too much attention to the part of the quest with Dyus and the library, did you? He is the prince of
logical order. Though not quite the polar opposite of madness, that pretty much excludes any possibility of him being insane.
Anonymous 03/20/15 (Fri) 06:59:30 No. 6073
>>6013 He's the god of logic in a world that's the result of one guy not being able to get over killing his wife and the rules of physics are dead but dreaming gods. Being logical about this is why he's crazy.
Anonymous 03/20/15 (Fri) 18:52:18 No. 6077
>>6073 By that logic, we can't take anything in the TES universe seriously. Besides, the nature of existence in TES isn't really any more crazy than that of reality.
Anonymous 07/01/15 (Wed) 07:50:28 No. 7691
>please give me a good reason why there was no Jyggalag in skyrim?
Ok; Jyggalag doesn't bother with Mundus. It says so in the damn game, if you paid any attention. There is literally no reason for him to be in Skyrim (or any other province), or for anyone on Nirn to even know he exists.
Anonymous 07/07/15 (Tue) 07:51:07 No. 7798
I agree with >>7691
Why would Jiggywiggy even want to interact with mortals? He seems like the type who'd just avoid Mundus altogether and chill out by himself
Anonymous 07/07/15 (Tue) 20:09:42 No. 7804
Perhaps he's consolidating power in his own realm. Or something. The Daedra aren't completely obsessed with Mundus, they just visit for shits and giggles now and then.
Anonymous 08/21/15 (Fri) 03:38:20 No. 8189
>>5293
From what I understand, Jyggalag was more of a threat as the greatest strategic mind among the princes, rather than being blatantly more powerful than them.
I believe that I recall he was capturing and consolidating the fluid territories of Oblivion, using some algorithm to predict all possibilities. Being cursed into the Mad God served to make him preoccupy himself with his own personality.
I imagine that now that he's free, he is working on his plans to make gains in Oblivion again. Although I doubt he'll ever need mortal assistance, this could result in big political turmoil in Oblivion.
This could all just be bulllshit, though. I think it's true, if that means anything.